Best Back to Back Albums

00:00:00There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold. And they're climbing the stairway to 11. When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed. But online they can get what they came for.

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00:00:39Hello, and welcome to Stairway to 11. My name is George.

00:00:44This is John. And I'm TR.

00:00:47Welcome to episode 23.

00:00:50Last episode, you may recall, we had the guys from Jesse Stiletto on, our first interview on this podcast.

00:00:58And I just want to remind everyone that if you haven't yet, you need to go out and pick up their album because it rocks. It's really good. Hope you enjoyed it. And definitely go check them out. They are very mysterious. Mysterious. Yes. Yes. And kind of sexy, too. A little bit sexy. Yes. Well, from what we could see. Yes, of course. It was very obscure. Even when that was shrouded in mystery. Shrouded in sexy. Sexy mystery.

00:01:29Yeah, baby. Yeah. I'll put that in my queue to watch later.

00:01:36So this time we are going to talk about the best back-to-back albums. So that's albums that were released sequentially back-to-back, just as it probably sounds like.

00:01:50Right. And I would assume no, like, 20-year gaps in between albums, because to me it seems like that's kind of a...

00:01:58considered that loophole?

00:02:01Now I almost want to pick something like that.

00:02:04Well, yeah, okay, I'll give you two choices, Tool and Peter Gabriel, so you go from there.

00:02:07Well, right, exactly.

00:02:10I find psychotic waltz, too, you happy?

00:02:12Ha!

00:02:12Yeah, so no, nothing like that on my list that I don't believe so.

00:02:17Yeah, I can't say I have that.

00:02:19So.

00:02:21Did anyone run into a problem where you had these two great albums and there was a covers album in between the two great albums?

00:02:28No. That would be Diver Down.

00:02:34Well, if you remove those, then you have a great EP.

00:02:37That's exactly right.

00:02:39Which, by the way, is only like 13 minutes long.

00:02:42Yeah.

00:02:44What's that got? Dancing in the Street, Pretty Woman.

00:02:47Where Have All the Good Times Gone, Big Bad Bill.

00:02:49Yeah.

00:02:50There's one more.

00:02:53I don't know.

00:02:54It's not good, though.

00:02:56Really? I like that album.

00:02:57I mean, I'm not like, woohoo, Diver Down's the best, but it was enjoyable. The actual Van Halen songs are great on that album, I think. I think they're awesome. Just as a spoiler alert, that wrecked a couple of album back-to-backs there. Yeah, so I'll ask you guys this. I made sure mine had to be like top flight back-to-back

00:03:27back's from

00:03:57back. Oh, well, I have to start all over now. Whether or not anybody else thinks that, you know, I might be on my own island on some of this stuff. No, absolutely not. And I did not go, nothing didn't have to be popular is what I think is the best. That's what I wanted. Yeah, good. Of course. Yeah, that's what I did. Yeah. Cool. All right, good. I mean, I figured as much, but you know. Right. So these are really just subjective bullshit coming from us is all it is. Right, exactly. Just us spouting off whatever we care about.

00:04:26Nonsense, filth, and nonsense. Filthy nonsense. Filthy nonsense. Mysterious sexiness. Which is basically filthy nonsense. Exactly. Oh boy, that Tsukava's kicking in. Oh, I better toast you. Cheers. I don't know if you gave me this one, TR. It may be. I know I gave you at least one. Right, but I've had a few recently.

00:04:56So I don't know which one you gave me. So I'll just say again. Thanks. Okay. You just keep thanking me for them. And you know, they're talking about beer. It's yeah, we don't talk about beer much on here, but I will say I'm just have to bring it up. I'm sorry. Because, you know, Nick might actually be listening from the metal. That's right. And I enjoyed his interview that you are, you know, guest spot you had with him. Yeah, that was that was a great episode. I enjoyed that. I would have loved to have been there. I missed it. Yeah. So.

00:05:26Yeah, so this Tsukaba is from Firestone Walker, and it's a barley wine aged in bourbon barrels. And to me, it's the best barley wine, period. And if you don't know anything about it, it actually is spelled backwards for Abacus. Ah, I've heard that before. Got a little trouble for that. Yeah, which is funny, because that was the original name. Yeah. And now it's basically, actually, it's an Opeth beer, because it's a

00:05:56It's got the paragraph S on it. Yeah, that's right. I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I didn't either till I just saw it right now. So anyway, I know we don't talk about beer, but it is outstanding. So outstanding libations. Yes. All right, then TR, why don't you hit us with your first one? Okay, well, so when I went when I prepared

00:06:26this, the easiest way for me to do this was to just open up my musical collection and go down artist by artist in alphabetical order. So for me, the first stop on that list was Asia, their first album and their second album, Alpha. So I love both of those.

00:06:56on either of those albums. I don't know if you guys would disagree with that, but I personally liked pretty much everything on there. It was catchy, it rocked, and it was kind of interesting to hear Steve Howe in kind of a more rocking sound, because even though he had just done drama, which was rocking with Yes, to hear him play bar chords and

00:07:26like rocking stuff like that was kind of a shift and um and of course you know john whetton it's clear that he probably was the one that wrote most of the material and he kind of had like semi-pop leanings even though he was in like bands like uk and you know other like progressive rock bands in crimson and crimson and so um you know which is kind of funny because

00:07:56pretty much that stuff in Asia was fairly pop, but rock, with a rock feel and rock sound. So yeah, so those first two albums I felt were really solid and good back-to-back albums. In the heat of the moment, I could see why you would say that. And I will say you're not the sole survivor on this one. Okay. I do like the first album. Second album, I was like, ah.

00:08:25It's okay. I even bought the third album when Mandy came in on guitar. And then I was like, I'm checking out after this. And I never went back. Yeah. Astra was like, oh, don't go. Yeah, I think I need to. Yeah. But the other one had Don't Cry or whatever it was. I can't remember the title of it. Yeah. Right. And the smiles left your eyes and all that. Yeah. That's okay. First time was good, though. Even though people make fun of it. There's actually a lot more raggy moments on that album.

00:08:55than would have been for a while in that band. Yeah. I think so. And I never got into them with John Payne. Did you? Do you like them with John? No, I never listened to any of that stuff. Okay. I just assume I didn't listen to any of this. I haven't gotten to you yet. Oh, well. We haven't gotten to you yet, George. I'm asking TR. Yeah. George, were you ever into Asia? Yeah. I like In the Heat of the Moment. Yeah. Yeah. And I think one or two others. Okay.

00:09:25Those are not off the top of my head. That's okay. If I go to the song listings, I might remember them. Yeah, you would. You probably know. You'll read other songs off that album. At least. And I mean, that album was so huge when that came out. Certainly the first album. I remember when it came out and I remember the album cover was really cool. Do you remember how you knew that album was big? It had the same sort of intro.

00:09:55Like Europe, you know, final countdown for the beginning keyboard, you know, and then you see them dancing in the video and everything on the stage. And you're like, what is this crap? And then you see them coming like, oh, I know these guys. Oh, wait, these guys have credibility. And then you saw it again the next hour and the following hour. And every hour after that. Until hip hop or until rap showed up and then it disappeared. Yeah.

00:10:25So yeah,

00:10:27you know,

00:10:27only time will tell,

00:10:29uh,

00:10:30heat of the moment.

00:10:31So you've heard soul.

00:10:32Yeah.

00:10:32I'm pretty sure I've heard that.

00:10:33Yeah.

00:10:33And there's a couple other you've heard off that album.

00:10:35Yeah.

00:10:37So I like interesting.

00:10:38Sort of nice.

00:10:39Nice start.

00:10:40That's see.

00:10:42I'm curious to see if you guys went with the obvious choices or if you wanted to branch

00:10:46away from stuff we've talked about so much in the past to do different things.

00:10:51Cause that's what I sorted.

00:10:52So,

00:10:52So yeah, so I was thinking about that, John, because, you know, we've, we've, anybody that's listened to us has heard the albums that we like and know. And, you know, so yeah, there might be a little bit of diversion from that from my standpoint here. Yeah, they're on my list. They just aren't featured. Yes, I agree. I didn't diverge that far from the path. My main five are probably only ones that I've heard.

00:11:22I will have.

00:11:24But then like all the rest are like stuff that you guys like too.

00:11:27I know you do.

00:11:28Well,

00:11:28most of it,

00:11:29not all of it.

00:11:31Okay.

00:11:31So I didn't even include a lot of stuff.

00:11:33I could have probably had about a hundred different pairs,

00:11:37but that's too much.

00:11:39Yeah.

00:11:39I thought I was pretty good at 16.

00:11:42Jeez.

00:11:44Okay.

00:11:45Yeah.

00:11:46All right,

00:11:46John,

00:11:46well,

00:11:46why don't you go next?

00:11:47All right.

00:11:48So my first one I'm going to go with is a name I brought up a lot,

00:11:52But I'm going with this because they're not the out. These are not the albums you think they should be, you know, they're not the words you're looking for. These are not the albums you're looking for. And I think these are the two best albums from this artist. And they're two completely different albums. A lot of these albums, I'm sure you guys noticed, there was kind of a musical theme, you know, or continuation from the previous album that they sort of are kind of like joined at the hip.

00:12:22musically.

00:12:23Because the bands were writing this stuff all at the same time.

00:12:26Most of these, I'm guessing, were written within a couple years' time.

00:12:29When the band was focused on.

00:12:31Well, these albums are one year apart.

00:12:34They don't sound anything like each other.

00:12:36And that's why I went with this, even though I've talked about this artist a whole bunch.

00:12:39I was like, this is too hard to pass up.

00:12:41And it's also great because this artist probably has about 10 back-to-backs that you can,

00:12:47any combination you can go with just in the 70s alone.

00:12:51I had to do this. So my first one is going to be David Bowie. Never mentioned him on here before. Yeah, never heard of that. Never. However, I went with the albums Station to Station from 1976 and the album Low from 1977. These are my two favorite Bowie albums. They flip-flop, one and two. They're basically 1A and 1B, as far as I'm concerned. But when you mention David Bowie, nobody thinks of those albums first. I do, because I know you. So it's working.

00:13:21I have to admit, these are not albums I'm familiar with. And you said that they're stylistically different? They are, completely. Yeah. So everyone knows Hunky Dory, Rise and Fall, Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane. Right. You've probably heard Space Oddity, even though you don't know anything else off the album, but that one song. You know, you might've heard Diamond Dogs or Young Americans. You know? But like, how would you characterize the style of Station to Station? I'm going to get to that. Oh, okay.

00:13:51Station. Yeah, exactly. So this was right during the period he was doing his Blue Eyed Soul stuff, which would be the Young Americans album. And he was starting to venture out to more experimental. So there's a little bit of both in that. So the songs that stand out on Station to Station are the title track Station to Station, which I think is one of his five best songs ever written. Some fans would disagree. I know a lot of horror tour fans would say it's in their top 10.

00:14:21I feel safe saying that. But it also includes Golden Years, which I'm sure you guys heard that song. Have you heard TVC15? You've probably heard it and don't even know the title of the song. I know you both have heard Stay. Because you know the guitar riff. If you went and played that song Stay after this podcast, you're like, oh yeah, I know that. And then there's two other songs, Word on a Wing and Wild is the Wind. It's a short album. It's only about 36 minutes, so it's longer than every single Van Halen album with David Lee Roth.

00:14:50And it's a short album. Yeah. So, and that, this is, he's getting into this kind of experimental, with still doing some of the Blue-Eyed Soul. Like, Golden Years has got that kind of Blue-Eyed Soul feel to it, but it's a little more rock bass, a little more groove and funk bass. So he's kind of pulling out of the Young Americans and going into that. And then it moves into the album Low, which is part of the Berlin Trilogy, which I think is kind of interesting, because I think,

00:15:20Most of the albums recorded in France. I could be wrong. Somebody can correct me on that. But it actually wasn't recorded in Berlin. But this is with Brian Eno. And this is where he goes. All experimental, synth-wise, complete 180 turn. And I absolutely love it. It's half instrumental. It's half synth-based. And this is part of his career where he started influencing everyone that came up in the post-punk era. So you have all these post-punk bands that were, that like punk rock, but they want to do something different.

00:15:50Now Bowie's doing something different. He wasn't punk, but those kind of worlds kind of collided at the same time. And you get bands like Bauhaus, obviously, who are kind of edgy, but he sounds like, P.M. Murphy sounds like David Bowie. And they did, you know, Ziggy. Yeah, of course. But Sturfer Urgent's actually not bad. I actually don't mind that one. Yeah, it's all right. So Low is very experimental, very synth-driven. It's weird. It's strange. Songs are short. Songs are short.

00:16:20just end. Like literally go for a minute 45, we're done. And you're just, you don't know what to make of it. But songs off this that are huge, Breaking Glass was big. You may have heard that. You've probably heard Sound and Vision. That's probably the biggest song off the album. But then he's got other great songs like Always Crashing in the Same Car, Be My Wife, What in the World. They're so different from each other and yet they're only a year apart. And a lot of people during this period would think of the album Heroes just because of the song Heroes.

00:16:50They couldn't tell you anything else off the album, but... Covered by everybody ever. Everybody. Yeah. And as much as I love that song, you know, it's not my favorite song on the album. But that's my first pick. I went with that one because Bowie's a huge influence on how I listen to music, but they're so different from each other. And also during this period, the musicians that played with him were just stellar. I mean, on this tour that he did, We're Heroes and Lo, Adrian Ballou, young Adrian Ballou is his guitarist on the tour.

00:17:20And to hear him sounding like he's always sounded back then was pretty amazing. So that's my first one. So when you talk about both these albums, do you spell that B-O-W-T-H? As in Bowie? You can if you'd like, sure. Right then. But that might just be both. Both. Both. Both. Or both, hon. Both.

00:17:50Right now, somewhere Richard Barbieri from Orgumite Tree is saying, stop. Stop. Stop. Stop it. Please. All right. So my first pick is my most out there, probably, from where I normally live. But it was also one of the first things that just kind of popped into my head when I thought of this. And so I went with it.

00:18:20And this artist was also known as the artist formerly known as Prince. And these are his 1999 and Purple Rain albums. Oh, you went that direction and not the other direction. Yeah, this is the good stuff. These are really all I like. I mean, what's after Purple Rain? Around the World? Yeah, it's got Raspberry Boree on it, isn't it? Yeah, whatever it is.

00:18:50Another good song after Purple Rain. It's not where he does a version of... Wait. Doesn't he have a song called Kiss? Yes, unfortunately. Or as Mike Tyson says, Kith. Yeah. So I like Prince when Prince sang in a normal voice before he went all falsetto like Kiss. And while Kiss is a good song, limited amounts of falsetto. Small doses.

00:19:20The Falsetto, please. You know, Purple Rain is just like it, you know. But 1999, the title track is classic. Little Red Corvette, Delirious, Let's Pretend We're Married. This was one of the albums that I got from Columbia House back in the day. I knew you were going to say that. Nice choice, though. This is interesting. Keep going.

00:19:49I want to hear more about this. It's good. Yeah. And you know, Purple Rain was just huge when that came out. Yeah. And Let's Go Crazy, the opening track, not only an amazing classic song, but definitely showing off his guitar chops. Yeah. Darling Nicky, a little on the naughty side, that one. It was risque. It was not very mysterious.

00:20:21But sexy mysterious.

00:20:23And it was not FM friendly.

00:20:25It was not.

00:20:28You know, at the time, the title track Purple Rain, I was like, eh, it's kind of slow and boring and long, whatever.

00:20:36Much like certain other songs that have changed for me over time, I get it now. Purple Rain is amazing.

00:20:45Did the movie change it for you when you saw it in the movie?

00:20:48Well, you know, I didn't actually see the movie for many years after. I've probably seen that like four or five times. Well, I was only like 12 when it came out, so I didn't see it in the theater. I didn't either. I mean, I saw it, though, as soon as it went to TV, so. And I don't know. I mean, and by the time I got a little older, I was more into metal, so I didn't really think to go back and check it out until later. But.

00:21:18Yeah, and I Would Die For You is another good one. When Doves Cry is fantastic. Yeah, it's a big album. It's a big album. Yeah, it was huge. And I agree, George. I had no idea how much that guy could rip on guitar until I saw and heard some of the stuff on that album. And I was pretty much blown away because I thought, where was this before?

00:21:48Why is he holding back on this? He should have been doing this all along. I would have been the biggest Prince fan. Was it because he was doing everything early on? Well, that's true. His first album, he played every instrument on that album. I wonder if he started backing off as he started bringing in quote-unquote band members, whoever he had playing with him. Yeah, I don't know. But then, like I said, after this, it really changed in style.

00:22:18and wasn't quite so rocking anymore. It was a lot more funky and whatever. So, you know, over the years I have come to like some of the other stuff that he's done later on, but these two albums specifically remain my favorite. Nice. Cool. All right. Well, I guess I'm next and I decided to go back a ways.

00:22:48and talk about a band that I don't know that we've talked about a whole lot. But for me, these albums, and these are back to back to back albums from the Beatles. So for me, my favorite kind of period for the Beatles, well, and look, I love the early stuff probably the most. I do too.

00:23:17The Bubblegum stuff? Yeah. Yeah. But in terms of solid back-to-back albums, I feel like Rubber Soul, Revolver, and Sgt. Pepper, you put all those back-to-back-to-back like that, and it's pretty impressive what they did in literally three years. Three solid albums. Of course, Sgt. Pepper was pretty revolutionary at the time,

00:23:47and completely changed how people thought about rock albums and what you could do. And, you know, you could almost argue that that was one of the first progressive rock albums, if you will. But to me, like just each of those albums is so solid and has such good music on it that I felt like that would be my next pick.

00:24:16And I don't know if you guys have listened. I mean, I'm sure you've listened to the Beatles, but like, I don't know how much. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how much you, you know, into particular albums or whatever. Well, the reason I didn't put the Beatles on here is because I couldn't decide. Yeah. I was like, I could see going revolver into Sergeant Pepper. I really like Sergeant Pepper. However, I like Magical Mystery Tour as well. One of my favorite Beatles songs, The Fool on the Hill is on Magical Mystery Tour. Yeah.

00:24:45As is the title song and I Am the Walrus are also on there. But I love the White Album. That's also probably one of my favorites. So yeah, I just didn't know what to do with it. I'm like, they're all good. It's the Beatles. It's the gold standard. They're all good. Just go away. I have Rubber Soul and Revolver on my list. I did not. First off, I didn't do more than two on my back-to-backs because then I would have lists that were so damn long.

00:25:14I chose it for that reason. Yeah. Because I have a lot of one and twos, meaning, okay, you could go this direction or that direction. I like Sgt. Pepper's, but there's one song on that album that I cannot stand. I absolutely cannot stand it. And it bumps it off the chance of being matched up. And that's that stupid when I'm 64 or whatever it's called. I can't stand that song. Will you still need me? Will you still see me when I'm 64?

00:25:44Some commercials that they did, they used it. But you want to talk Robert Solon and Revolver. I still think Hands Down Revolver is their best album from start to finish. That thing is just loaded. To me, it reminds me of Pet Sounds from the Beach Boys in that it's got its big hits. And you're like, well, what else is on there? Well, you need to go listen. Because you're going to be surprised what you find on this album. Yeah, absolutely. Come on. What's that? Eleanor Rigby. Hello.

00:26:14Yeah. Tomorrow Never Knows is one of the greatest psychedelic songs ever. It's only three minutes long. So that album is Dr. Robert. Dr. Robert. Good day, sunshine. Loaded. And Rubber Soul is the most underrated album in their catalog. Not even remotely close. That album is so good, it's unreal. Yeah. So that's a great choice. I would love it if Abbey Road came after that because I love Abbey Road too.

00:26:44That's like four albums later. Hence my dilemma. Yeah. So that's a great choice. But you still like the bubblegum stuff more? I do. I don't know why. I can't, you know, eight days a week, you know. Hard days, night. Yeah. Like that early stuff. Ticket to ride. Hey, can I buy you an ice cream down at the soda shop? Yesterday. Exactly. Come on. I don't know. Like, I think it's because

00:27:13of my first albums, or actually, it was a cassette tape. And it was one of the first things I bought with my own money. Is it the blue? Which one is it? Blue or red? The red. 62 to 66. Yeah. Which has all the early stuff on it, right? Yeah, I have that too. 65, 66 is fine, but that's 62, 63. There's only a couple songs I'm like, ooh. Oh, come on. It's just too, oh no. Yeah. Well, that's all right. Too happy. Yeah, but see, I love that stuff. Like, it just, it's just, and it's, it's such.

00:27:42I started smoking weed is when I really started to like them all. To me, that's when everything got wrecked. Oh, what are you talking about? We just mentioned the two albums where that happened. I know, but like, I mean, like, you know, I was never big into like some of the later stuff. Like, I, okay, you know, I may be ousted from this podcast for saying I've never really particularly liked a lot of what's on the White Album. Oh, I don't, yeah. You're out of here!

00:28:13TR is... There's a lot of kind of filler. It's like Lamb Lays Down on Broadway a little bit. Yes, exactly. And I get how some people could really like that, but... See, I like it. I don't know. There's some stuff on there where it's just like, okay. Some clunkers. Yeah, some stuff where it's like, what are we doing here? I just, I don't know. See, I think they got it right with Abbey Road. I think that's what they... I wish they would have done that with the White Album. Yeah. Well, if they had trimmed it down to one album,

00:28:42Right, that's what I mean. Yeah. Because the whole second side of Abbey Road is basically just one big suite of songs that have nothing to do with each other and they just don't put them all together. Yeah, they just lump them in and yeah. This is amazing. Well, yeah, and actually it is kind of amazing how they all went together. And you're like, wait, how did she get through the back window? And why did she come in the back window? Yeah, exactly. But you don't have time to figure it out because you moved on. No, because you're already on to the next song. And it's interesting because, I don't know, did you see the Peter Jackson Beatles, you know?

00:29:11I have to get back movie. I gotta go back and watch it. My issue is I'm not a big fan of that album. I like half of it and the other half of it. I should go watch to watch the studio stuff. It's pretty revelatory because you get to see some of the parts of all of those records kind of pop up during those recording sessions. And you see, I mean, in some cases,

00:29:42They're recording it

00:29:43and it ends up going on that album much later

00:29:49but it's just

00:29:51it's interesting because you can see all the nuggets

00:29:54and all the stuff that they had

00:29:56kind of before it became

00:29:58what it became

00:30:00because they're just throwing out

00:30:02ideas and trying to be like okay

00:30:03what are we going to do and what are we going to record

00:30:07and so

00:30:08yeah that was

00:30:09I'll have to watch it. It's really amazing. Yeah, that's incredible. Like that whole that movie. It's amazing that that actually even got made like that. They that they, you know, you can tell like an initially like nobody's really real happy that there's a bunch of cameras on them while they're trying to work in the studio. And it wasn't a good period anyway with that. Well, right. Are you talking about that recent thing? Yeah, Peter Jackson. That was really good. Yeah, I gotta watch. I mean,

00:30:39It was released recently

00:30:45And what a fantastic job it was

00:30:51To me it was really incredible

00:30:55After a while, obviously they get used to the cameras being around

00:31:01You can tell they don't even see them anymore

00:31:04They don't even think about it

00:31:05And then it's just they're just being themselves. And that's what's really cool about this, because you're basically a fly on the wall in the studio watching the Beatles make music. And man, what a movie. You mean Lennon and McCartney while Harrison and Ringo sat up to the side looking pissed off. Well, look, hey, no, they brought their own stuff and they played their own stuff. I mean, that came out. They needed to use more of Harrison's stuff.

00:31:34That always kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Oh, what I really want to see is George

00:31:37Martin sitting there playing piano and writing stuff and coming up. Yeah. Because to me, he's, there's a reason why they call him the fifth Beatle. Right. So anyway, I'll watch it. I just, it's such, that album just really brings, it does, it brings me down. Okay, I'm going to say it. For all the songs I like, there's something I'm like, yeah. And Let It Be is, is the

00:32:04Second closest song to their Stairway to Heaven for me. First being, oh, what is that song? I can't stand it. Hey Jude, I'm just so sick of that song. I'm just sitting around on the video just like, you know, swinging along and it's just like, God, man, you got so many cooler songs. I know I'm in the minority with that, so. You're out of here. You need to get that recorded and just play that all the time.

00:32:33You're out of here

00:32:34That's gotta be a button on your thing there, George

00:32:37Yeah, exactly

00:32:38All right

00:32:39Any more to say about it, T.R.?

00:32:41No

00:32:41Cool

00:32:42Awesome

00:32:43That's another great pick

00:32:45All right

00:32:46So I'm going back to that

00:32:48Infamous

00:32:501980 to 83 period

00:32:52That I always talk about on this

00:32:54Podcast

00:32:55And I'm gonna give my

00:32:57I have a bunch of shout-outs

00:32:58For this episode

00:33:00I'm gonna give my first shout-out

00:33:02This first shout-out goes to one of the Metalhead podcast's extended family members, one of our long-time listeners. He's old enough to be my kid. He's young enough. Yeah, I'm saying old enough because I don't want to be that young. I mean, come on, man. It's making it kind of creepy now. What am I, Robert De Niro having kids on him in my 80s? No, he and his way better half,

00:33:31are two of our favorite people.

00:33:34And I'm referring to our friends,

00:33:37Jeff and Steph,

00:33:38from the Metals Podcast.

00:33:40And this one goes out to Jeff.

00:33:42I told him I would bring something up at some point,

00:33:45because he mentioned to me that he liked an album a while back.

00:33:49And I was like,

00:33:50okay,

00:33:51you're doing all right.

00:33:53You're on the right and there,

00:33:54you're straight and narrow,

00:33:55you know,

00:33:55stay on it.

00:33:56Keep your nose clean,

00:33:57kid.

00:33:58Yeah.

00:33:58He listens to some stuff I'm not so thrilled about,

00:34:00but you're all right.

00:34:01No, I love the tune. But he mentioned this band. I was really happy and I wanted to fix or fit them in somewhere. I don't think we've talked about them yet. And that band is Triumph. Ooh. And my two albums are Allied Forces from 1981 and Never Surrender from 1983. Nice. Bang and bang. Back to backs. They are just killer albums. First of all, such an underrated band.

00:34:32across the board. No, they are not Rush 2.0. They're just Canadians. They're three pieces. And they come from the same part of Canada. Canada's second best trio. Yeah. All right. Enough. Okay. The funny thing is they started just a couple of years after Rush. It's like, geez, these guys are on the same trajectory. But they're more of a hard rock band. I would never say they were metal, but they do get pretty damn heavy at times. They have two.

00:35:02One incredible singer. One really good singer. And they just crank out great stuff. But to get back to the albums, Allied Forces is my favorite Triumph album. It's just unbelievable how good it is. It's actually a pretty heavy album. It's got great songs on it. It opens with this song called Full Fear of Love, which is just killer. Which Gilmore, the drummer, sings on. Then you've got Magic Power, which is huge. Great tune. But I will say that.

00:35:31It always tricked me that song when it would come on MTV

00:35:33because I didn't know if it was that or Hold On or Lay It On The Line on MTV

00:35:37because they have the live video shots, you know, and the smoke

00:35:39or the, you know, the smoke

00:35:41machines on the stage. I always get tricked

00:35:43when they played that. It's like, oh, damn, I want it

00:35:45Lay It On The Line, not Magic Power.

00:35:48But great song by Rick Emmett.

00:35:50It's got songs like Allied Forces

00:35:51and then the absolute juggernaut

00:35:53of their whole career.

00:35:55Fight the Good Fight, which is

00:35:57such a great song. It's so emotional.

00:36:27It Is All Hell,

00:36:29Three Piece, you're like, that's a three piece? That's where they're like, rush. Another aspect, you know, there are three men. They're from Canada. And they're playing a rock band. Okay, so they all have in common. Yeah. But I think you guys would agree, when you listen, you're like, that's only three guys playing? I mean, they're just, their sound is so big. You know, and they're just fabulous. And I think they get overlooked consistently. But I would suggest, if you want to cut to the chase and do the cliff notes,

00:36:59that you need to find live at the us festival where they absolutely destroyed their set they are famous for that set playing in like 100 degree weather with a bunch of dudes looking like lobsters out in the crowd girls tops coming off i mean water guns all over the place it's just such a good set and sadly it's missing one song from the from both the video and the live album but that if you watch that or listen to that i think you would basically sum

00:37:28how great Trimuth was up to that point in their career. Just fabulous. So, you know. Good pick, John. I liked a later one, too. Support of Kings, I think. It's not bad. Yeah. Yes, good stuff. Tears in the Rain, I think. Yeah. I mean, Thunder 7 followed up after this was pretty good, too. Yeah. I mean, they've probably the first two albums are probably like, eh, they're okay. They're decent. Just the Game is awesome. It's great. You know, so. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

00:37:59Right on. Me likey.

00:38:05My turn?

00:38:06Yeah, it is your turn.

00:38:08So you mentioned earlier if any of us had something that like squeezed in between two things and screwed things up.

00:38:16Well, I said no.

00:38:17And then I just went and pulled up this band's discography and realized, oh, crap.

00:38:23However, because I mean, I didn't consider this a studio album, but it is.

00:38:28because it's a mix of live and studio stuff. However, it is also one of my favorite albums by this band. So I'm just going to roll with it and make it a trifecta. Make it work, George. If it feels good, go with it. It feels good. Do it. All right. This is a little band from Ireland. Perhaps Derek knows them. Sorry for the accent, lad. I don't know where it's supposed to be from.

00:38:58It's a mix of, I don't know, I'm going to stop now. It's you too. Ah, yes, of course. I want to know where to go with this. Yes, I'm eager to see which albums you picked here, George. Well, I picked the obvious ones. The Joshua Tree and Octung Baby, my favorites. However, I neglected to remember that Rattle and Hum came between them. You can go in like the earlier War and October and Boyd,

00:39:28if you want to. They're well and fine albums. But Joshua Tree and Octung Baby. That's the sweet spot. That's funny. Because if I was going to pick, it would be like basically Boy Through Unforgettable Fire. I can't help it. I just love the early, early stuff. I like the best. Everything on Joshua Tree from

00:39:58Bolt the Blue Sky to the End. And it's only because those other three songs were played to death. Yeah. Right. Yes. And I know they're their three biggest songs. And it's ironic because when the Joshua Tree came out, I was I was leather clad laddie, Mr. Metal or Die. And U2 Joshua Tree was one of my biggest targets that I would take aim at and take the piss out. Oh, really? You didn't even like him back then? No.

00:40:28I didn't really know it. Mostly I knew the people in my school that listened to it and didn't like them. And so. And you're three years younger than us. So TR and I would have been exposed a little older. Yeah. And that's probably why. I mean. I'm like you too. The first four albums are just. Exactly. I was probably in like a freshman or sophomore in high school at that point. And. For which one? For Joshua Tree. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.

00:40:58We were already in college. So like the thing like for me, like my earliest memories of that band were like when under Blood, Red Sky and MTV. Well, no, no. Before that, when when the video for Gloria, like when, you know, the videos from war came out. Oh, you don't remember when Gloria came out from October? They were on the barge. Yeah, I remember that video. But like but the, you know, New Year's Day, they played, you know, the crap out of

00:41:28of that when that came out.

00:41:30This is not a song about war.

00:41:34So yeah.

00:41:36I just remember

00:41:38seeing those videos and thinking, wow,

00:41:40this is really cool. And the fact

00:41:42that Edge played this

00:41:44Gibson Explorer that

00:41:46just looked so cool to me.

00:41:49But yeah,

00:41:51that to me,

00:41:53I'm with you,

00:41:54George, because I feel like you two

00:41:56put out like a whole bunch of great albums that every one of them was really good i mean

00:42:01there's not much that they've put out that i don't like okay well like after octung baby dropped off

00:42:08pretty hard zuropa is not so great zuropa's all right it's pretty good but then after that i'm out pop is okay all that you can't leave behind is really good how to dismantle the tonic bomb i like that one a lot

00:42:20But so as I said in 1987 when Joshua Tree came out

00:42:26I was prejudiced towards it

00:42:30You know I was like Metallica Slayer or die

00:42:34And and uh

00:42:36It's not about a seventh son, seventh son, I don't want to hear it

00:42:39Exactly

00:42:40And so I didn't really listen to it

00:42:42I mean and if I heard a little bit I was like yeah that's not metal it sucks

00:42:46And so

00:42:47But by the time Octung Baby came out in 91, I was a year out of high school, I was starting to expand my listening on the brink of alternative and grunge that would come shortly after. And I really liked Octung Baby. And so then I backtracked from there and said, wow, Joshua Tree is actually really good.

00:43:14That's funny that you should mention Battle and Rum. Or as some people like to call it. Crattle and Humdrum. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, I love their version of All Along the Watchtower. Have I ever told you my story about that? I don't know. That was recorded in San Francisco. And we got wind that they were going to play a free show in the city. I was at school. And I literally, all I would have to have done is gone right down the street.

00:43:44like two blocks from me take me right where they played and i could have went and saw them perform that song that made the album and they got in trouble because bono thought it was really cool to spray paint a piece of art because you know he was bono and he's so cool and he's like so big and he cares about the world and the city suit his ass or whatever to make him clean it up right but i'm kind of pissed because their version is actually very good it is and i really like van diemen's land with the edge so good

00:44:14Good. Angel of Harlem's good. But When Love Comes to Town with B.B. King, hello. Mercy. There's other great deep cuts on the studio stuff on that album that are actually very good. Yeah, yeah. Desire. Yeah. What's the God song on that? God Part 2. Part 2. I like that. That's a good tune. What's the Gold song? I'm drawing a blank on these titles. Silver and Gold.

00:44:44That's pretty good. Yeah, it is. So. Nice. All right. Yeah. I was hoping you would have went the other direction towards Unforgettable Fire, but that's cool. I like all of them. But those are special, you know. When did you first see them after that? I saw them on the Octung Baby Tour. You did? Oh, cool. Okay. Yeah. I was all in. So that was a huge, huge show you saw. I saw them on Unforgettable Fire. And then I saw them again.

00:45:15A couple years ago in Pittsburgh at Heinz Field. It was pre-COVID, so it had to be... It's not a big show. Actually, it wasn't Songs of Experience. It was them doing the... Let's see. It had to have been 30th anniversary of Joshua Tree, because they played all of Joshua Tree. That's probably what it was, yeah. Right. I remember that tour. I didn't go, but I remember. Yeah. So when I saw them, it was right before they blew up in the Bay Area.

00:45:44They went from playing like an 8,000 seat place or whatever was 7,000 at the Civic Center to them playing like huge arenas and stuff. And I pulled the total metal move as a prog nerd, but shitty prog nerd. So everyone there at that time, remember, at that point in the mid 80s, was a very new wave crowd. We'll just call it new wave. And here I am in a fucking cut off fuchsia colored 9125 yesterday.

00:46:14T-shirt from the tour.

00:46:17So while I was pulling my, yeah, I'll wear my metal shirt to like a

00:46:20Duby Brothers concert, which I'm done.

00:46:22I have done that, by the way.

00:46:25I did that with a prog band, but I picked the worst prog decade ever to wear this shirt.

00:46:31And it was fuchsia on top of it.

00:46:34I felt like such a badass at that show.

00:46:37I am the only Yes.

00:46:38Okay, my friend Chris is a Yes fan too, but we're the only Yes fans in this place.

00:46:44I'll do that when I go to barb shows. We'll go to something

00:46:47non-metal and I'll wear a metal shirt just to

00:46:50be that way.

00:46:52Nice. All right.

00:46:54Very good. Very good. These are all

00:46:57choices we have not made

00:46:58in the past.

00:47:00So in keeping with that

00:47:03I'm going to

00:47:04because I think I'm up next, right?

00:47:07You are?

00:47:07Yeah.

00:47:10So this is

00:47:11somebody we've talked about but I don't think

00:47:14about these albums. And instead of picking what I was going, well, it's also on my list, I'm going to go with this artist as a solo artist. And that's Dio with his albums Holy Diver and Last in Line. So fresh off his time in Black Sabbath, Dio went off on a solo career and released

00:47:44Holy Diver, which incredible album, solid all the way through. And, you know, most people would know Rainbow in the Dark, which was on that album, but like there are plenty of other fantastic songs on that album. The whole album's solid. And then followed it up with Last in Line, which is another really solid album with songs like We Rock, Last in Line, Evil Eyes,

00:48:14Mystery. So yeah, those first two Dio albums to me are really solid back-to-back albums.

00:48:24You got to extend that one more and include Sacred Heart, buddy.

00:48:27No, wait a minute. That's George. I'll leave that for you.

00:48:29I knew that was coming.

00:48:31Yeah.

00:48:33I dare you mention Dio and not mention that album.

00:48:37That's right.

00:48:37It's a threefer.

00:48:39Yeah.

00:48:40I'll even throw...

00:48:42I'll do it.

00:48:46What the hell's the fourth one called?

00:48:49Something Dreams. Dream Evil.

00:48:51I'm not contributing to this.

00:48:53It's got some good songs too.

00:48:55But I will stop at three.

00:48:58Okay.

00:48:59Nice.

00:49:01Those are good albums.

00:49:03See, you can't go wrong.

00:49:05And of course, if you invoke Dio's name

00:49:10and Holy Diver,

00:49:11You know you must invoke Joe. What's his name? Barisi? Barisi? Oh, Barisi for the remix. Yeah. Yeah. If you have not heard his remix, it is insane. It is like the greatest remix ever. So. Yeah, because he did something that a lot of people don't like. He included all the count ins at the beginning of the songs when they were there and he let the tape.

00:49:41Finish, because you know at that time, fadeouts were really popular back then. And it really pissed me off, because you hear all these great guitar solos fading out, and he left them all in. And you're just like, what the hell? This is awesome. To the point where some songs are like a minute longer. That's a lot of music that they're still playing. Yeah. That's a good call, George, to mention that. Yep. Well, I think it's in our contract that you have to mention that.

00:50:13Yes.

00:50:14This is what they're paying us for, right?

00:50:15I think Matt got us into that situation.

00:50:18His situation.

00:50:20Yes.

00:50:21His situation has become our situation.

00:50:24Exactly.

00:50:25Yeah.

00:50:26Isn't this our time, Mr. Hand?

00:50:30So, all right.

00:50:31My turn?

00:50:32Yes.

00:50:33All right.

00:50:34Well, fine.

00:50:36I'm going to go there.

00:50:37Before there was Dio the band.

00:50:39Oh.

00:50:40And before there was the rejuvenated Black Sabbath. Yes, here it comes. There was a little band called Rainbow. Yes! And they had these two amazing albums that started a string of six killer releases in a row for the singer Ronnie James Dio. I'm, of course, referring to the albums Rising, 1976, and Long Live Rock and Roll from 1976.

00:51:101978. Oh, yes. Two killer albums. I'm not a fan of the first album that much. It's okay. I like it. I like it. Sure. Yes. And then the rest of the album doesn't sound like that. Right. That's the only issue. Yeah. So it's good. There's cool tunes on it. Right. I'm with you, John. I'm totally with you on this. Not Rising. Maybe one of the 10 greatest hard rock. Yeah. Proto metal album covers ever. I thought you were going to go back to Elf, man.

00:51:40Well, fine. Why don't we just go back to when he was in his doo-wop band? Yeah. Jeez. The back-to-back doo-wop albums. Yes, exactly. Ronnie Dio and the somethings or others. So, yeah, if you don't know these albums, you should check them out. I mean. Yeah, if you like Dio, man, this stuff's like solid. Well, and this is, you know, this is Deep Purple. You know, the new version of that band, Richie Blackmore had left.

00:52:10So this would be marked like 47 at that point, you know, in the catalog. It's not Deep Purple, but it's his version of where he probably would want, have wanted Deep Purple to start to go maybe a little bit. Maybe I'm wrong about that. But it's heavy. It's proggy. At least parts of it are. It's still got that classic Deep Purple-ish keyboards, guitar, heavy bass and drum.

00:52:40sound, you know, with big soaring vocals, but songs are a little different. They're starting to get a little more commercial, especially on Long Live Rock and Roll, but it's not that bad. Sure, the title of that album is kind of hokey. And, you know, we think it's so cool, but the song's killer. But there are some songs on here that are just downright the foundation of prog metal. Stargazer, maybe the greatest drum intro ever to a song, you know?

00:53:09Just killer tune off of

00:53:13Rising

00:53:14then Gates of Babylon off of

00:53:17Longo of Rock and Roll

00:53:18which I say

00:53:19I put on equal level with

00:53:22Stargazer as

00:53:23just absolutely great

00:53:25great tune

00:53:26and I think it's

00:53:27I think Longo of Rock and Roll is underrated

00:53:30but it's killer

00:53:31killer

00:53:32killer album

00:53:33so

00:53:34if you

00:53:36need to know what I'm talking about

00:53:37and you haven't heard them

00:53:38you should check out both albums

00:53:39Definitely. They're well-worthy time. Yep. I'll second that. I'll have a third, please. It was on my list, John. Yeah, I mean, and if you think about it, those two albums followed by Heaven and Hell, Mob Rules, then right into those first two albums. Yeah. Incredible run right there. He could have just stopped. Yeah. I can play songs from these six albums and I'm happy. I have a career live, you know, so.

00:54:09All right, George, where are you taking us? Well, specifically Melbourne, Australia. Okay. Hey, we're in Australia. Where are we going from there? Nowhere, because you got bitten by something and you died. Because everything is out to kill you in Australia. It's the most dangerous country in the world.

00:54:39As Rick Springfield says, everything in Australia was meant to kill you. Yeah. That's crazy. The humans aren't even the problem in that country. Yeah. Which is interesting because of the first of my two albums. This would be Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and their back-to-back albums, Murder Ballads and The Boatman's Call. Wow. Nice.

00:55:091996, 1997.

00:55:15Murder Ballads lives up to its name.

00:55:18Most of the songs have something to do with killing somebody.

00:55:23Stagger Lee is a traditional song, and it's kind of murdery, as is Henry Lee featuring P.J. Harvey.

00:55:34I've spoken,

00:55:37I assume it was on this podcast,

00:55:39but it might've been metal heads.

00:55:41I think it was this one about,

00:55:43uh,

00:55:44O'Malley's bar,

00:55:45which is 14 and a half minutes long.

00:55:50And it is nothing but in depth descriptions of Nick cave's character in a bar,

00:55:58killing people before,

00:56:01before wassing out and giving himself up to the cops.

00:56:04instead of going down on a blaze of glory. But the, oh, and the curse of Milhaven is another really good murdery song. As murdery songs go. As murdery songs go. But the best one is his duet with Kylie Minogue, Where the Wild Roses Grow. And I had no idea this was coming, but Barb and I went to

00:56:34Go see Kylie Minogue in April in DC. And she sang a verse. Just like between songs. She was just like down on her knees, like on the catwalk, like talking to somebody in the audience. And then they gave her a rose. That's what it was. And she sang the chorus for Where the Wild Roses Grow. And I was just like, oh, the whole show worth it. Because that is such a beautiful and sinister song.

00:57:04You know, it's all about, basically from the perspective of this ghost, which you don't know, it's got like a sixth sense kind of thing going on, where she's doing the whole song. And it's not until the end you find out that she was down by the river and Nick Cave came up and bludgeoned her to death with a stone. And she's singing, you know, from the hereafter. And it's just like, mind blown. Wow. And, you know, definitely not Kylie's.

00:57:34Usual Fair. But she did it so well. And so The Boatman's Call is a lot prettier than Murder Ballads. It's less raw and grimy and just some of the most beautiful songs that Nikave has ever done, in my opinion. The opener Into My Arms, you may have heard that because it's so accessible and beautiful.

00:58:05Lime Tree Arbor's good. People Ain't No Good. And my absolute favorite on the album, and one that I tried to squeeze into our wedding music, was Are You the One That I've Been Waiting For. To me, that is like the greatest love song of all time. And it sounds less murdery than the other ones. It is a lot less murdery on this album. It's like he got all the murdery out on murder ballads. He was having a bad day or something. He was like, murder her.

00:58:34And then, all right, I got that out. Now I'm going to sing some pretty music. I love you. I love you. West country girl with the black hair and the green eyes. Those are all song titles. And then it's end it with a trilogy of more murder. Just kidding. Actually, there's a reissue bonus tracks. And I got it as a separate CD.

00:59:04which I think maybe came as like a tour thing or something. I don't remember. Uh, but little empty boat is another really good one. And, uh, right now I am a Roman. So good. I feel like I know those songs. Maybe I do. You might, I might, maybe I do. So very cool. And that closes up my Nick cave. All right. As you can tell, I'm a little passionate about my Nick cave. Yeah, I guess so. So that's all right, man.

00:59:34So you gotta have bands like that, right? Absolutely. All right, back to you, TR. All right, it's back around to me, and I don't know where I'm gonna go here. I've got, like I said, I've got, like, 36 things on this piece of paper, and it's kind of ridiculous. So I'm gonna just go with another band that I don't think we've really talked about a whole lot on this podcast.

01:00:02But they had some pretty awesome back-to-back albums in the time, John, that you've talked about many times. And that is Iron Maiden with Peace of Mind and Power Slave. Now, those are my favorites. I know others have their favorites. But to me, Peace of Mind and Power Slave were such great back-to-back albums that were totally solid.

01:00:30And I mean, some will kind of poo-poo some of the tunes on these albums. There's like a couple of... And they will die. What some people would maybe say are clunkers, but I love them all. And I have always loved these two albums. I had these two on my list. Oh, okay. Great. Well, that's... I mean, I would say of the two, it's hard to say which one's better. It is.

01:00:59There's so many really good songs on each. Where Eagles Dare, Flight of Icarus, The Trooper, Die With Your Boots On from Peace of Mind. And then you've got Aces High, Two Minutes to Midnight, Power Slave, Rime of the Ancient Mariner on Power Slave. And so it's just really phenomenal albums that at the time, I remember getting these not long after,

01:01:29they came out. And this was like, you got to remember, I was not a metal guy. Like I did not start my metal journey until probably around this time. Like that, this is like when I first started getting into like heavier bands. Like at that time, the heaviest thing I was into was Van Halen. And, and so, you know, I don't know how I, probably my friend Colin and maybe, maybe my buddy Alex, you know,

01:01:59you know might have said hey dude you got to listen to this and um and of course like you

01:02:06know you listen to peace of mind and it's just epic um twin guitar attack you know bruce dickinson soaring

01:02:15above it all with his operatic vocals and um and then they follow it up with with power slave which

01:02:22you know on top of the great music you have these this really i remember just staring at the power

01:02:29album for like hours looking at all the tiny little details on the front cover of that album and just thinking to myself man like whoever you know did this you know which i guess was derrick riggs or whoever was yeah yeah um spent an enormous amount of time like putting in all these little details that you know you could you could see and just like i don't know it was a time when the album cover you know really meant something and and

01:02:59And for fans of the band, it was a real treat to pour over that while you listen to the record. And, you know, I don't know. That doesn't seem to be the thing anymore. Like, I don't know. There aren't as many album covers with that much detail or that kind of level of... Until Somewhere in Time came out.

01:03:26Well, yes, exactly. There's a ton on there, too. That's almost mind-boggling.

01:03:34But, yeah. So that's my next pick. I love those two albums, and I just really feel like that might have been... To me, I don't know if that was the creative peak of the band. I mean, obviously, they're still playing, and they're still making good music.

01:03:54But in terms of just like epic tunes, you know, in terms of like multiple songs on an album being really solid, those two really stand out to me anyway. Yeah, absolutely. Agreed. It's on my list, but my list has Iron Maiden, Killers, Number of the Beast. Yeah. And those two albums. Yeah, I figured it would have all that. Yeah. I'm not a super fan of the following two albums.

01:04:24Like, you guys probably are. No? Actually, I like Summer in Time and Seventh Son, but not as much as these two. Not even close. Right. I would have gone the other direction. I would have gone Number of Feast. That's the one I like the most. I know it's cliche for some people to say that, but I like all the deeper cuts on that. I mean, I even sent you a message the other day. You said to me, are you free? And I said, I am number six. Yeah. I picked that up. Yeah.

01:04:54You are not a free man. Yeah. I am number two. Who is number one? You are number six. And then that laugh. You can't go wrong with any of the first. If you said to me, I like Iron Maid. What albums do you have? The first five. I'd say, oh, you like Iron Maid. You would get a pass. You would. Because those five albums are iconic. If you didn't listen to anything else, you'd be fine. Because then you could bookend it with...

01:05:24You know, live after death. If you're a super fan, then you'll get, you know, which I still think is their best live album, Be Silver, Hammer, Smith. And if you're a super, super fan, you'll get made in Japan, but you'll get the full version that you can only get in Japan and not in the US or in New York. So that's a great pick. You can't go wrong with whatever direction. You could have picked Iron Maiden and Killers. That would still be a great choice. Wouldn't be the right choice, but it would be a good choice.

01:05:55All right. All right. So this is what my fourth pick now. All right. Yep. I'm going to go with a band that TR does not like. Oh, and George. Did not like them. Just didn't know about them. And then he went and listened to him. And I get a text message. What? So my next pick. Is a band that I think these two albums are the best albums in their whole career.

01:06:24They've got some great albums. They've got some serious stinkers in their catalog. I have no problem saying it. Of course, I don't listen to that part of the catalog. Anyway, and this is actually a little bit of a call out to a listener in Ireland, Derek, who had mentioned that I should bring this one album up, and I was like, eh, I'm not going to do it. Not this album, because Tierra doesn't really like this band, and George doesn't know them. He won't like it.

01:06:53Well, geez, I didn't know George would like it. So my band is Marillion. The albums are misplaced. Oh, I don't dislike them. Yeah, you do. You're a loser. Yeah, you're a big fat loser. I'm not arguing that I'm a loser. I'm arguing that I dislike them. George, you're out of here. You're out. I'm out of the podcast. I just feel like you're like at some honky tonk bar just throwing people out the door when you say that. I'm the bouncer on this podcast. Yeah, that's right. Well, no, Terry, no,

01:07:23I know you're not a fan. I just would wish you'd go back and listen to him again.

01:07:28Well, I know. So here's the thing. I think we've talked about this many times, but the whole thing is everybody thought that I would be all about this band. And everybody I know has been like, oh, well, you must be in Marillion. And I just never got into them. I don't dislike them. I just don't really feel like...

01:07:51You've done your homework.

01:07:53Well, that's probably true. Well, then you know what? Tell you what. Go back and listen to these two. If you still don't like them, fair enough, right? Right, right, sure. Yeah. Don't listen to the first two albums, because the first two albums are very derivative of Genesis. They are. I'm a huge fan. Which, yeah, which is why people thought I would like them, you know? No, listen to these two. Okay. I would say. And I know I would get stick from some people who are big fans of this band. So the reason this part,

01:08:22is we're making such big deals this part of meridian was with the singer called fish

01:08:26right and he was with the band for the first four albums and even though the fifth album he's not on it

01:08:34which was the first album with steve hogarth or as he's commonly known as just h a lot of that music was

01:08:40written when fish was in the band and they rearranged the music again and changed the lyrics all

01:08:46But these two albums were not derivative of Genesis. These two albums were the dreaded word, neoprog, which is basically supposed to be just new prog or more accessible prog. And I find it to be almost a pejorative at some point because some of these bands are doing stuff infinitely better than what the classic golden age prog bands were doing in the 80s.

01:09:13A lot of that stuff was just flat out crap. And I like it. Don't get me wrong. It's still crap. I mean, I'm sorry. Genesis, really? That's all? Yeah, really. Literally, that's all. Get out. Go. You're out of here. You're out of here. I love that, man. But back to these two albums, Misplaced Childhood is basically, it's a suite. You could say it's 10 songs, or you could say it's just

01:09:42One Big Song. And both answers would be correct, because it is. It's thematically all linked together. All the songs are linked together. There's no breaks at all, unless you had vinyl and you had to flip the album. And I think they fade in and fade out on the CD, too. But that had probably their biggest song, which was the song Kaylee. You've probably heard that somewhere down the line. And then another big song on that, Lavender. These are these two short

01:10:12little ditties. They're little radio songs. But they've got some cool proggies things on here like Heart of Lothian and Blind Curve and Childhoods. And it's just the whole album's great. And then they released the next album in 1987 called Clutching of Straws, which is my favorite Marlene album, where I think they did a better job personally, just me, because they didn't make a whole album of 10 combined songs. They just did it with the first three songs, which are my favorite three songs in their whole catalog. And then they had other.

01:10:42kind of radio-friendly songs.

01:10:44Then they had other great, dreaded word, neo-prog songs.

01:10:49Just prog songs, as far as I'm concerned.

01:10:51But on that album, you've got songs like Warm Wet Circles, That Time of the Night, White Russian is awesome, Incommunicado.

01:11:01Both albums from start to finish are awesome.

01:11:03They're great.

01:11:04And while Fish may sound like Peter Gabriel a little bit, or Phil Collins a little bit,

01:11:10However, people want to describe it. After a while, I don't think he sounds like either one of them because I'm so used to hearing them. But I heard the comparisons back in the 80s. I hear it. A little bit. I guess, but if you listen to all three so much, then you can distinguish them. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah. But these two are just, they're fabulous. And they've shed kind of the Selling England by the Pound and the Foxtrot vibes that you might have picked up on the first two albums. Mainly the first.

01:11:40First album.

01:11:42When did Script for Adjuster's Tear come out?

01:11:441983.

01:11:46Was that before these?

01:11:48Oh yeah.

01:11:49This is 85 and 87 for these two albums.

01:11:51Oh okay. All right.

01:11:51And then they have Fugazi in 1984.

01:11:54Right.

01:11:54The big thing was they wrote a song called Grendel, which is like 18 minutes, and it's

01:12:00sort of reminiscent of a little song called Supper's Ready.

01:12:06A little bit.

01:12:07I think I've heard that one.

01:12:08Yeah.

01:12:09So, and I could see where old fart prog fans, you know, those, the old hobbits would get upset. I'm not going to argue with them on that one. My precious. Pretty much. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I love those two albums, Fugazi and Script for a Jester's Tear, especially Script for a Jester's Tear. It's awesome. But I prefer when they become a little more song structured, you know, for some radio play, like on Misplaced Child and Clutching a Straw.

01:12:39I think they're fabulous and George I was so surprised when you wrote back you're like no I like this I'm like okay stop fucking with me do you you're like no I really like this I'm like oh wow my days changed all of a sudden I'm feeling pretty good about this day and I'm sure something came and screwed it up but you're gonna say George I just said me likey oh okay yeah so TR I would say if you want to give them a try again great if they don't jive with you fair enough man at least you tried yeah like I said I don't dislike them but I will say

01:13:10That was opening three songs from Clutching of Straws, which are Hotel, Hobbies, Warm White Circles, and That Time of Night. It's about 14 minutes long. They're all connected. For me, that is the best 14 minutes of our whole career. I know a lot of fans would disagree with me on that, and I really don't care. We all have our favorites, and that's my favorite. Right. Sure. Anyway. Right on. Cool. George. So I'm going to go in a different direction.

01:13:39now, briefly.

01:13:45And I'm looking at the discography,

01:13:47and I realize there's something in between these two as well,

01:13:49but it's an EP.

01:13:51So it doesn't count.

01:13:52That's fine.

01:13:52You can do it.

01:13:54Doesn't count.

01:13:55Unless the EP is like 47 minutes long.

01:13:58How long is it?

01:13:59I don't think so.

01:14:00Shit, 37 minutes.

01:14:02Shit.

01:14:02I'm kidding.

01:14:03103 minutes.

01:14:05Oh, is it all like remixes?

01:14:07No, there's like,

01:14:08There's like, uh, wait. Oh, I'm looking at the wrong album. I was going to say, is it one of those bands like, that release an EP and like 20 years later they release it with bonus tracks? Like, it's an EP! How could it be bonus tracks? 31 minutes though, but I think there's, I think there may be bonus tracks on here or something. Just pretend half of it's live. Yeah, well, it, it, it's stated as an EP. Alright, fair enough. Go.

01:14:38What is it? Do it. Nine Inch Nails, Pretty Hate Machine, Interrupted by Broken, and Into the Downward Spiral. Wow. My two favorite albums by them. 1989 when Pretty Hate Machine came out. I probably didn't hear it until 90. And I remember when I heard about it, I was over at a friend's house.

01:15:08And he wasn't a metal guy, although he did like Man of War. But he was more of an alternative, I like to call him a chicken head back in the 80s, the guys with the little floppy punk haircut. And I was, this was, as I said, I was trying to broaden my horizons. And I said, give me some of, you know, this not metal music that you listen to, to check out. And one of the bands was The Cure.

01:15:37And the other one, he was like, check out this Nine Inch Nails album, Pretty Hate Machine.

01:15:42And I did, and that was like nothing I'd ever heard before.

01:15:49And, you know, Trent Reznor doing everything, or I assume he did everything on Pretty Hate Machine.

01:15:59But, you know, he can certainly do everything.

01:16:02And it was just, you know, it was not like the metal that I was listening to.

01:16:07It was not like what was on the radio. It was pre-grunge. And it wasn't grunge. And it wasn't grunge. But it was just different. It was electronic. But it was kind of heavy. Pre-industrial. Yeah, industrial. And it hooked me right away. And then when the downward spiral came out, he clearly was just like,

01:16:37I'm just going to run with this weirdness.

01:16:39And it was even more out in left field or right field,

01:16:45maybe bright field.

01:16:47I think people say left field,

01:16:48don't they?

01:16:49It's out in left field,

01:16:51but right field is usually further considered further away or at least.

01:16:54Yeah.

01:16:55But the throw from right field to home plate is a bigger pain in the ass for some reason.

01:17:00I don't know why.

01:17:01Exactly.

01:17:01But it just is.

01:17:02Yeah.

01:17:03Anyway,

01:17:04whichever field it's out there,

01:17:06Maybe it's in Centerfield with Tom Fogerty. I don't know. And, you know, Closer is like the big song off of this album. You bring me closer to God. Though for me, Hurt, also done by Johnny Cash quite well and covered very poorly by myself. I have a Gregorian chant to Hurt. Nice. It's awesome. I mean, that's a great song. And Reptile, I really

01:17:36Love Reptile. That's just an angry song. Mr. Self-Destruct, Piggy, March of the Pigs, you know, Pigman with a Gun. So good. Such a classic, completely original album for its time. And probably still, you know, there's a lot of industrial music out there. And I know that by this point, he spawned a lot of people that probably were trying to make music like this.

01:18:05But I've still never heard anything that's quite like Nine Inch Nails. And there may be imitators, but there are no true Trent Reznor peers, as far as I'm concerned. So. Yeah, that's nice. I absolutely hated them when they came out. And it wasn't until TRU and I went, when they played with Jane's Addiction. Oh, right. One S Addiction. And I didn't dislike them anymore. I was neutral. And then we saw that show.

01:18:35Okay, I can get behind this now finally. It took me 20 years. I always did like a hole though. I always thought that was kind of a cool tune because the video is just jacked up, you know? Yeah. And then I got into FLA right after that. I started listening to Frontline Assembly a little bit. Yeah. But I would never call myself a fan of that stuff. But yeah, I mean, after this, I got into ministry, like Frontline Assembly. Yeah, FLA's cool.

01:19:05Oh, skinny puppy, you know, stuff like that. And that really was like a transitional period for me. I mean, in the 80s, it was hard rock, classic rock stuff. It was hair metal to a point, thrash metal and stuff like that. And then as the 90s came in, I mean, I liked alternative stuff. I was a huge Nirvana fan. And some of the other bands in that considered the grunge style.

01:19:35But I was kind of looking for something deeper and darker. And before I came across Death and Black Metal, Industrial was my new high, my new fix. Just one fix. Ministry. And I really got into this stuff. And I was also inspired by it because it was something that you didn't need a band to do. You could go out and get a drum machine and use your own guitar and a keyboard.

01:20:05and voice and just make music, make angry, strange music. And so I was very inspired by Trent Reznor. But I thought they got better when he started playing with the band. Yeah. Because then it, all that sound became even bigger, I thought, which was kind of cool. So did you ever get into Fear Factory then? Oh yeah. When Soul of a New Machine, that was the first. I think so, yeah. There was an EP. I think Soul of a New Machine.

01:20:35Fear is the Mind Killer was, I don't know if that came out before Soul of a Machine or after. And I loved that Soul of a New Machine when it came out. And then D-Manufactured the next one. That just like, I was like, oh yeah. I like that stuff. I need to go back and revisit it. I didn't really climb onto anything after that. I didn't either. I mean, D-Manufactured was like amazing to me. And I saw them on that tour opening for Iron Maiden on X-Factor. Oh, that's weird.

01:21:05combination. Yeah. At Harpo's. Wow. I, I saw, Oh God, Harpo's. I saw them on, um, Gigantor on the first one. It was cool because they were different than everybody else, which made it kind of cool. Yeah. I didn't really like much after D manufacturer. I don't know. Just an obsolete, I think is after that, isn't it? Yeah. And I were kind of like that for me after that, but yeah, I have obsolete and D manufacturer. I think I've got, I think I, you know, two or three,

01:21:35I have, yeah. Carried the flag for a few more albums, but I didn't like anything as much as I did demanufacture. I wish I had, at that time, shifted over to Strapping Young Lad then, which is industrial. I had to circle back to them because I like them the most of all, but they're more metal than they are industrial. Yeah, but I got them because it said it was industrial metal, and so I was like, okay. And it is. It definitely is. There's no doubt about it.

01:22:04We got a little taste of that recently. Well, maybe we can talk about that later. Maybe. Yeah. Nice. We're picking stuff. I feel like I'm picking like regulars here. Well, and I've got, yeah, I've got a lot of regulars on my list, but then I've also got a few that I purposely chose that are not, you know, the regulars. I've got one more weirdo and then I've got a whole bunch of regular. Okay. All right. Where are you going, T.R.?

01:22:34All right, my next one is a band that I've talked about a little bit in the past, but not a whole lot. And, you know, I wouldn't necessarily call them classic rock, but I love this band. I love pretty much everything they've done, although I'm sure not everybody likes every single album. But the two albums that kind of, I feel, really stand tall from this band are...

01:23:04are albums called Curious Corn

01:23:07and Waterfall Cities.

01:23:09And the band is Osric Tentacles.

01:23:12And they're a British

01:23:16space rock band.

01:23:18Spacey, proggy, psychedelic.

01:23:20What do you want to call them?

01:23:21Instrumental, hippie, dippy

01:23:24music space rock.

01:23:24Peace, love, and joy, but drop acid first.

01:23:27Yeah, right. Exactly.

01:23:29Which, you know,

01:23:32most people probably

01:23:33wouldn't put me into that domain, but I just really like what they do.

01:23:42They've had somewhat, I guess, I don't know if you'd call it uneven output throughout the years.

01:23:49Too much output, I would say.

01:23:51Well, probably, that's true.

01:23:54However, this period in the late 90s when they were putting out these albums,

01:24:00I feel like was a kind of a in my opinion was a high point for the band and both of these albums Curious Corn and Waterfall Cities I feel like were really both solid albums that they so for those that have not listened to Osric Tentacles as we've said they're they're kind of there's some psychedelic elements there's some like rock elements and then there's some like electronic elements spacey kind of

01:24:30stuff going on. All kinds of strange, I don't know if you'd call it sound effects or electronic effects that Ed Wynn makes in these songs. But there's also really groovy bass lines and really just propulsive kind of sounds that come out of them.

01:25:00I can make it easier for you. All right. Thank you. No, and I don't mean to interrupt, but I think you'll appreciate this. It's porno based. Let's be honest. All right. Well, because it's I probably just got that cool groove. It does have a cool groove. I can't argue with that description. But if you don't believe me, listen to the song neuro chasm. Yeah, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I get it now. Yeah. So.

01:25:30The band has been around since the mid-80s, and they're still putting out music today. Really, primarily Ed Wynn is the main songwriter and creative force in the band. There have been numerous people that have passed in and out of the band, drummers and various others. But getting back to these two albums, Curious Corn and Waterfall Cities, I've always felt were both really good.

01:26:00really strong back-to-back albums from this band. So if you want to get into some pretty far-out stuff that, you know, will take you on a journey somewhere, try Osric Tentacles. I'm going to do an Osric Tentacles cover band called Godric's Testicles. They'll be lining up, George. Indeed. Sorry, Derek.

01:26:31It's my island

01:26:35So that's all I got on that

01:26:38Did you get that reference?

01:26:40Braveheart

01:26:41Oh, sorry

01:26:43It's the best line in the movie

01:26:44I think John might be frozen here

01:26:46I think so, he just texted me

01:26:48Uh oh

01:26:49Internet dropped

01:26:50And here I thought he just didn't like my joke

01:26:54It's obviously a beautiful, wonderful joke

01:26:56He had that kind of look on his face

01:26:58Yeah, that like, who farted?

01:27:01And it just froze on that one look. Here he comes. Here he comes again. Yes. Oh, and he's got that who farted look on his face still. He's like, that's grumpy old man face right there. No, that's Verizon can go pound sand look. Yeah, grumpy old man face. No. I thought you didn't like my Irish joke. Did you hear that?

01:27:29before it dropped? No. Oh, well, you have to listen to the episode then. So frustrated. We've never had issues before, and then this week has been horrible. Yeah. We've had the power going out a lot for no reason. It's not storming or doing anything. It's just like, oh, I'm just going to go out for four hours randomly. And I finally bought a new battery UPS backup for my computer because I got tired of it going down.

01:27:58and seriously considering some sort of like generator because it goes down so much.

01:28:05Yeah. I mean, if anyone's not aware, we all live in the DC metro, Baltimore metro area. And it's just been brutal the last two days here.

01:28:15Hitting 100 plus on the heat index. And so power is surging right now. But I don't know what's going on with Verizon. I'm hardwired. I've never Wi-Fi in my office. I'm always hardwired.

01:28:26And I'm still losing the hardwire. So I didn't want to power down and power up today because I was afraid if I was dude, I wouldn't be able to get back on. So you're hardwired to self-destruct, baby. It is, man. Anyway, I was going to say, TR, it's a great selection. Waterfall Cities is definitely my favorite Ozra Tentacle album. Did you even miss Godric's Texticles? No. It's the same look. Yeah, same look. Just no comment. I got it.

01:28:57I don't know what you're talking about. It's best if you let it go. I said I was going to do an Osric Tentacles cover band called Godric's Testicles. Thank you, Verizon, for cutting out. Yeah, I think I'm funny. Maybe not anybody else, but I do. You're your biggest fan. I am my biggest fan. Yeah, don't quit your day job. Nope, nope. All right. Oh, wait, some of us have. Anyway. You suck. No.

01:29:26All right. I guess it's John now. All right. So I'm actually going to go out in left field or right field or center field or, you know. Maybe the parking lot. Yeah, whatever. On my pick, because I've got other bands we've talked about before, but I want to do this one because it's completely different. I don't think you guys are fans. Maybe you like them a little bit. I don't know. I'm not sure. Because I never heard. I say that because I never hear anyone talk about them.

01:29:55I've talked about him on the other podcasts actually a lot and he's not a metal guy but I do consider him one of the greatest rock guitarists ever to live sadly no longer with us anymore and my fifth pick here now is from Jeff Beck and the two albums are Blow by Blow and Wired I'm not a guitar player but I know when I hear a good one and not one that just shreds all the time or thinks they're awesome and does really lame

01:30:26I know that Jeff Beck is definitely considered one of the, or was considered one of the best guitarists. Whether you liked him or not, it was hard to argue that. So I know that much. I know that and I know Alan Holdsworth. Another one that people can never argue whether he liked his music or not. He can never argue his greatness. And Beck was like that. But I'm a fan of Beck, but I'm not a fan of his whole career. And these aren't even my favorite albums from him. My favorite album of his is There and Back. But these two albums,

01:30:55back-to-back, though. Not there, back-to-back.

01:31:00Just seemed to work

01:31:01really well for so many people.

01:31:03And this was when he decided to get into

01:31:05Fusion Brock.

01:31:07And boy, did he get in.

01:31:09And I know some people love him, and some people don't,

01:31:11because they're like

01:31:13Brock snobs, but for Fusion.

01:31:15You know, like,

01:31:16Mahavishnu, man. Return to Forever.

01:31:18Yeah, they're cool, too. I like them, too.

01:31:20But,

01:31:21Miles Davis, man.

01:31:24Hey, man.

01:31:24You know, all that stuff. John Luke Pawnee. Yeah. I can't resist every song yelling out of Hey Man. But anyway, back to his albums, Blow by Blow and Wired feature some of his best known songs that he's ever written or that somebody wrote for him and he played on. But, you know, Blow by Blow has Freeway Jam, which I'm sure we've all heard. He has his rendition of Because We've Ended as Lovers, which is a Stevie Wonder song.

01:31:54And it's just unbelievable how he is able to get that emotion out of his guitar. He's got other great tunes on it like, you know what I mean, an air blower. You hear these titles, you're like, this doesn't mean anything to me. But you hear the songs, you're like, oh, I think I've heard this before. Just great fusion. And then on to the album Wired, which again has a bunch of songs you probably, if you'd heard them, you'd know the songs, but you wouldn't know the title. But songs like Lead Boots, Goodbye Pork Pie Hat, which is a Charles Mingus cover.

01:32:24Blue Wind, Blue Wind, Sophie. These are all great tunes. If you want to get into fusion rock, not fusion jazz, because he's a rock guy. These are great albums to listen to. Isn't it still pretty funky, though? A little bit. Because I think that's what turned me off to it. Because, you know, these two albums have been mentioned ad nauseam my entire life, ever since I even heard a guitar and picked up a guitar. And, you know, clearly classic, classic albums.

01:32:53But whenever I try to listen to it, it's a little too... And I'm just like, what? Yeah, it might be also... It's just a little too funky. I am way too much of a white boy not into funk. I mean, I'm not going to say there's no funk like some Sly and the Family Stone maybe who just passed recently. So you're not playing that funky music, white boy? Well, see, you know, that's not a bad song. But...

01:33:23can just be a little too funky. Yeah, see, I don't get the funk as much, but maybe that's symptomatic of the bass playing. It is. And I think it really is about the bass. It's all about that bass. Especially if you're playing a fretless bass in this music, you know, you're not going to dig that. Also, in fusion and jazz, there's a lot of bass solos, it seems like. Yeah. And they don't make sense. They're like, do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do-

01:33:53It ain't a bass solo for me. Well, that's not true. I know there's other people like maybe Stu. Jeff Berlin called and he'd like to disagree with you. Jocko says, no way, dude. No. Jocko says, you're out of here. You're out of here. I'm out of here. You're off the podcast. Yeah. I just think if you want to venture into the fusion,

01:34:23with the rock side of it, not fusion or jazz fusion. These are great. And the funny thing is, neither one of these are my favorite Beck albums. My favorite is Darren Beck, which is the third album, but it was four years apart. And it's just slightly different. You know, it's got, oh God, I'm drawing a blank on the guy's name that, who's the Miami Vice guy? God, I can't think of his name. Oh, Jan Hammer? Jan Hammer, thank you. Yes, Jan Hammer is involved with him fully on that.

01:34:54And he already was with him, I believe, on Wired. But they're just, they're slightly different albums. That's why I didn't pick There and Back, even though it's my favorite Back album. Which is heresy, you know, for Beck fans. Right. Yeah, actually, I do like jazz, though. So I might like Jazz Fusion. I don't know. I mean, you could listen to Maha Vishnu, but Maha Vishnu, everyone says, this is amazing Jazz Fusion. And I'm like, this is just dudes jamming like badasses for like a half an hour.

01:35:24And that's not a knock. I mean, they're all incredible players. You know, Return to Forever is the same thing. All odd shit Korea, which is a cool name. Yeah. You know, so. Yeah, but I want to do something different because my other bands, when I mention them, you'll be like, oh, yeah, you've talked about them before. So. Yeah. And I've talked about my last pick as well, if we're ready to go there. We're ready. All right.

01:35:53This is an out there pick, but not for me and not for a lot of really smart people out in the world. From, and this could be a threefer really, but from 1985 and 1987, Tom Waits, Rain Dogs, and Frank's Wild Years. If you want to be really cool, you can tack on Swordfish Trombones from 1983 at the beginning, but I kind of like Frank's Wild Years a little better, so I went that way.

01:36:27But Raindogs, right in the middle there, is one of my favorites. What do we have on here? Singapore, Clap Hands. Cemetery Polka, Jockey Full of Bourbon. Tango Till They're Sore. Hang Down Your Head. What else? Is that Jockey Full of Bourbon or Jock Full of Bourbon?

01:36:52And I forgot this was on here, but the original writer of the song Downtown Train later made famous by Rod Stewart. That is also on here. Nice. Rod Stewart covered a lot of other people's music. Yeah, I had no idea that that was his song. I was like, wait a minute. It's towards the end and I hadn't gotten through it in a while. And I was like, wait a minute. I know this song.

01:37:24And, yeah.

01:37:29So, I'm not really going to go into Frank's Wild Years.

01:37:32I like it, but I just don't see any songs that you might have heard of.

01:37:36So, Hang On, St. Christopher, Innocent When You Dream, Way Down in the Hole.

01:37:44But, yeah.

01:37:46It's a cool album, but it's less commercially well-known, probably.

01:37:54And Swordfish Trombones, oh my gosh. That is like the most out there album. One song that maybe you might know, 16 Shells from a 30-06. It comes up once in a while, like in soundtracks and stuff like that. But it is a very avant-garde album. A lot of strange stuff on Swordfish.

01:38:21as one might expect by the title. I sort of felt his whole career was somewhat avant-garde. Yes, but some more than others. To me, Swordfish Trombones is pretty out there. I mean, you know, later in his career, like when you get Alice and Blood Money and even Mule Variations, it's weird, but it's a little more reined in, you know? So.

01:38:50So, George, tell me how you got into Tom Waits. Like, where did that come from? Because, like, this doesn't seem to... Jive with the metal? Well, exactly. Like, at what point did this get introduced into your oeuvre? So, along with Nick Cave, Tom Waits came to me via a friend of mine who shares my name, first name anyway, my bestie from way...

01:39:20back to fifth grade.

01:39:23And he, we were metal guys together in high school.

01:39:28And after high school, he was a complete poser, stopped listening to metal and started listening to other things in the 90s.

01:39:36I mean, just about everybody did that except for the true metal faithful like myself and y'all.

01:39:45And he somehow came across both Nick Cave and Tom Waits. And in some late night hanging out, drinking beers, chatting session, he played me this stuff. And I was like, interesting. I liked Nick Cave because of his deep and melodic voice. I liked Tom Waits because of his what the hell is that voice? You know, did he just gargle some glass and then shoot some bourbon?

01:40:14I mean, I mean, yeah, you know, clap hands. You know, I love his voice because I love the deep, raspy voice. And, you know, he can do melodies with that that are super catchy. But he can also just do really weird stuff. So it took me a while to get into stuff like Swordfish Trombones. Small Change, I think, was my first album from 1976.

01:40:46And that was a little more jazzy nightclub music with a scratchy voice. Tom. Is that like, I mean, is there like a New Orleans sound to that? Maybe a little bit. Yeah. Kind of. You know, there's. Cause there's like horns and stuff on it. Right. Uh, let's see. There's a saxophone and some cello and violin and piano. Okay. Um, if, you know, if you want to,

01:41:16I highly recommend listening to Small Change. Tom Trobert's Blues, Four Sheets to the Wind in Copenhagen. Waltz in Matilda. Such a good song. And The Piano Has Been Drinking, Not Me. A little humor there. My absolute favorite, actually, okay, no, it is my favorite, is Invitation to the Blues. That is just a straight up,

01:41:44Like, down on my luck, sitting at a diner, and eyeballing the waitress because she's kind of cute and wondering about her story at 2 o'clock in the morning with three bucks in your pocket. That is just such an amazing song. Every time I hear that song, I can't stop singing it in my head for weeks. But another tongue-in-cheek one bad liver and a broken heart.

01:42:14So when would this have been? In my life? Yeah, that you started listening to this. Probably around 2000 or so. Oh, okay. Maybe late 90s, early 2000. Okay. So well after you were kind of death to all that is not metal. Yes, of course. Okay. By then I was pretty much into whatever sounded good. Yeah. You survived a millennium. We didn't die. You're like, ah, well, I'm going to just

01:42:44Just check out everything. Right. You're like, phew, why 2k? Man, why did I wait so long? Yeah. Well, I really have a thing for deep, gruff vocals like that. There's like some country singers that do that, and I really dig them. Buster Poindexter. Buster Poindexter, yes. A.K.A. David Johansson, recently deceased R.I.P. from the New York Dolls.

01:43:13And solo. And solo, yeah. But yeah, so if it's got deep, harsh vocals and clean music, it's almost assuredly going to win me over. Unless it's really bad and stupid. Like anything I might do. Okay. Yeah, it was just kind of like, it kind of didn't compute to me.

01:43:43based on a lot of your other tastes and things that you're into.

01:43:49Well, if you want me to go down a rabbit hole, I can do some weird things.

01:43:52I'm sure.

01:43:54And you've talked about Tom Waits before a couple times on this podcast.

01:44:00But I just was curious where that came from because to me it doesn't really fit with a lot of the other stuff that you're into.

01:44:11Well, you know, I have always had a real passion for the blues. Like from Robert Johnson up through Stevie Ray Vaughan and beyond. B.B. King, as I mentioned earlier. Yeah. You know, there's a really great new album out now with Taj Mahal and Kev Mo that just came out like this year. It's really good.

01:44:40I really love blues. There's just something about blues that's in my soul. Which led me to jazz. Jazz can sometimes be a little more out there for me. But a lot of jazz is still really cool. Particularly stuff like Billie Holiday or Etta James. Miles Davis and Coltrane and stuff like that as well. And I really like the Bossa Nova, Getz and Gilberto.

01:45:09They did the girl from Ipanema. And so, you know, Tom Waits is kind of blues adjacent, at least early on. Okay. Yeah. Cool. Thank you. You're welcome. I guess it's time to start talking about all our honorables. Yeah. And there are plenty. All right. Well,

01:45:39Read them off. What do we got? Okay. So, you know, obviously, like we've said on this earlier, like, you know, we didn't want to rehash a lot of the stuff that we've already talked about. But there were plenty of things that we have talked about that would I feel would, you know, kind of fit under this umbrella. And of course, you know, Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules, Boston's first two albums.

01:46:12You know that period in Genesis between nursery crime and selling England by the pound. Joe Satriani surfing through the extremist. James Addiction's first two albums. A band we haven't really talked about. Men at Work. I really like their first two albums. Business as Usual and Cargo. Metallica ride the

01:46:39The Lightning and Master of Puppets. There you go. That's on my list. Peter Gabriel 3 and 4, which we've talked about. We didn't mention Pink Floyd, but of course, you know, you want to talk about some back-to-back albums. You know, you could go as far back as Metal, but certainly Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals. And then, you know, we haven't even really touched on Rush, but obviously, like, 2112 through Moving Pictures, I think would, you know,

01:47:09be pretty solid but if you really really want to get down to brass tacks i mean

01:47:14permanent waves and moving pictures i don't know to me farewell to kings and and hemispheres would be

01:47:19like some of my top two but um and then uh scorpions love drive through love at first sting um you guys know i'm a steely dan fan and pretty much like i like all their stuff but royal scam through gaucho i think are really tremendous

01:47:40And then

01:47:42The Sword, Age of Winters, and Gods of the Earth.

01:47:46Those first two albums by them are so heavy and so good.

01:47:51You can do the next one. Also, you're allowed.

01:47:54Yeah, we can throw that in.

01:47:55Warp Riders?

01:47:56Yep.

01:47:57And then it stops there.

01:47:58Then it starts going down.

01:47:59Yeah.

01:48:01And I think we talked about Tool earlier, but for me, Lateralis and 10,000 Days,

01:48:09great back-to-back albums um and then yeah we briefly talked about van halen but you know pretty much the first four van halen albums i think you know are pretty much untouchable and then um yes uh close to the edge yes album and close to the edge and then i threw in drama 90125 even though they were like completely different lineups but they were cool back-to-back albums if in my opinion

01:48:39And then ZZ Top, Tres Hombres, and Fandango. Those are a couple of my favorite albums. Somewhere Jay just got happy. He doesn't know why. Jay talked about Fandango, and I was heartened by that when I listened to his descriptions of listening to that in his nostalgic albums tribute section. Somehow I feel like Jesse Stiletto is enjoying this too. Maybe too.

01:49:09So those are like some of the albums I didn't mention. And then I've got a couple of fictional back-to-back albums that I think, you know, deserve some attention, like Intravenous DeMilo and The Sun Never Sweats from Spinal Tap. And then, of course, Shark Sandwich followed up by Smell the Glove. Another, you know, couple of awesome back-to-back albums there.

01:49:38Of course. Shark Sandwich with Sex Farm, of course, and Smell the Glove with Hell Hole. Intravenous to Milo, of course, had Tonight I'm Gonna Rock You Tonight, and The Sun Never Sweats had Stonehenge, their epic hit. So I had to throw those in as a shout out for not only Stairway to Eleven, but just all the Spinal Tap fans out there. Who are eagerly awaiting the new movie. Yes, the new movie coming up in September on the 12th, and then also the old movie.

01:50:08The 41st Anniversary Remastered Version that will come out in theaters on the 5th, 6th, and 7th of July. So get your tickets, go look online, and find out where it's playing near you if you want to see it in the theater. Because I don't remember the... I don't think I've ever seen it in a theater. So I'm really looking forward to seeing that in a theater on a big screen in all its glory.

01:50:36So that's my

01:50:40That's a wrap for me

01:50:41Right on

01:50:43Nice

01:50:43I feel like I'm doing George's listening to list from like 10 years ago

01:50:47So strap in

01:50:49Here we go

01:50:50I'm gonna do these quickly

01:50:52Rapid fire

01:50:53I've mentioned these two albums a bazillion times on the other podcast

01:50:57I'm gonna mention it again

01:50:59Ozzy Osbourne's Blizzard of Oz

01:51:01Dyer of a Madman

01:51:02Love them

01:51:02I think they're awesome

01:51:04Man I don't talk about enough

01:51:05Also from Canada, but five members in the band, though. Not three. Band Saga, and their album Silent Night and Worlds Apart. I always loved those two albums. Dream Theater, Images of Words in Awake. There's no way I was not going to mention at least that. I've mentioned this band a bazillion times on the Metalheads podcast, The Gathering. Mendelian, Mandoline, however you say that name, and Nighttime Birds from the mid-90s. Love that stuff. I am going to mention Black Sabbath, but the

01:51:35Two Albums You Don't Think I'm Gonna Mention Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage I think are the two most underrated even though Sabbath Bloody Sabbath is really highly regarded I think they just kind of get forgotten because of the first four albums and the two albums with Dio all right so those were on my initial list to talk about you know this part now here's the rest of the honorable mentions the elephant in the room Opeth still life the blackboard there's no way I wasn't gonna mention that yeah that was gonna happen yeah you mentioned

01:52:05Rush, Farewell to King's Semisphere, Permanent Waves, Pictures. We talked about it. We talked about Made in the first five albums. Here's a band we didn't talk about. Shocked. Oh, it's common. I'm shocked. Judas Priest. Yeah. Yeah. Sad Wings of Destiny, Sin After Sin, or you could have Sin After Sin and Stay in Class, Screening for Vengeance, Defenders of the Faith. Dude, I would say Sad Wings all the way through British Steel. Yeah, I like British Steel, but there's three clunkers on that album that kind of just, it's just like, really?

01:52:35I have to be united while I'm breaking the law I mean I only live after midnight well that's fair all right here's the band TR you didn't mention but I'm doing it and it's not the period that everyone thinks orcupine tree yeah this guy moves sideways and signify oh yeah you mentioned Genesis Foxtrot selling England selling you lion lives on a Broadway I like all those yes you mentioned those yes album fragile close to the edge it's too bad that stinker comes after close to the edge tales from the top of graphic ocean because the

01:53:07You mentioned the Beatles. I'm going to bring our old friend back from Canada. The Madman. Devin Townsend. Terrian Accelerated Evolution. I know it's the Devin Townsend band. It's still Devin Townsend. Anyway. You mentioned Pink Floyd. Yes. Those three albums. Paradise Lost. Icon of Draconian Times. Come on. Yeah, baby. Give me some gothic metal. All right. Oh, yeah. I do have Fate's Warning on my list. I lied, TR.

01:53:35But it's a specter within and awaken the guardian. To me, those are the two best back-to-backs. There's a lot I like. George will appreciate this one. Crimson Glory. Crimson Glory and Transcendence from the 80s. A little love there. Yeah. Let's give a little love to the 2000s. Gojira from Mars is serious, the way of all flesh. And then I have all my shout outs here at Greenland. All podcast shout outs. To Marcus on. These are all metal bands now, folks. Sorry.

01:54:05and to the nameless dead. I love those. For Matt, Macedon. Permission. And the other one. And Leviathan. Oh no, Leviathan. Or it could be Leviathan and Blood Mountain. I know, Crack the Sky. I like these ones more. Now, with that said, Matt, I'll be locking in Leviathan as your May album of the month for Metal Hits Podcast. For Will, come on. No Death?

01:54:35Scream, Bloody Gore, and Leprosy. That's right up Will's house. Yeah, it is. Of course, I'm going to go with human and individual thought patterns. It's just my personal preference. Let's give Jay a shout out here. Let's do a little sax on, sax off. Wheels of Steel, Strong Arm of the Law, and Denim and Leather. Hell yeah. Bring us all together. That's right. Right. Hey, let's throw TR in there. Wouldn't you know it, I had Osric Tentacles picked for TR. But I went the other direction. Okay.

01:55:05I went with Earp Land and Strangitude, which are two classics. Yes, definitely. Two classics. And then George. I was going to say, where's my love? I got one for you. Best for the last. I don't know. I hope this is one that you're good with. We've been talking about this band a lot, even though we haven't been listening to them. I went with, and I don't listen to a lot of power metal. You guys know that. But I love me some Blind Guardian, though. I love Blind Guardian. What are you picking? Imaginations from the other side.

01:55:35and Middle Earth. I know you can go the other direction, too. That's all good. But I went with those. Yeah, I like it. Because I want to hear some, you know. I will accept it. Some of that drama that they created on those albums. That's what I got. All right. Well, I've got a few that have not been mentioned, surprisingly. ACDC. I straddled the lineups here with Highway to Hell and Back in Black. Exactly.

01:56:05I forgot to put down my list, but I thought of it. Good choice. Yeah. Uh, Led Zeppelin houses for the holy and physical graffiti. Ooh, that's a ballsy pick. I like it. Yeah. I could have gone like one, two, three, four, but, um, right. People forget about houses though. A lot. I think. Yeah. It's got the ocean on there, man, which I just heard, but I'll come back to that later. Um, and no quarter. Yeah. Uh, rolling stones, sticky fingers, exile on main street.

01:56:35Yeah. Going. Well, I'll go here first. You mentioned Van Halen and I'm going women and children first and fair warning in honor of John, even though I know that technically that was already grandfathered all in. And then we head to the grunge underrepresented area. Soundgarden, super unknown and down on the upside. Okay. Nirvana, bleach and nevermind. Duh. Smashing Pumpkins, Siamese Dream.

01:57:05and melancholy and the infinite sadness wow and alice and chains facelift and dirt and i still think

01:57:13they're more metal than grudge but fair enough i got it no yeah they that era i know and that's what i've got

01:57:24nice i was gonna put alice and chains on i love um facelift but dirt to me just like

01:57:35overshadows it so much it's just a behemoth compared to a leviathan one might say

01:57:43yes i'm still putting it in matt for you for uh for me yeah it just yeah those are good choices i forgot i

01:57:51had the rolling stones in mine too and you mentioned uh the ones i had but i had let it bleed on mine too

01:57:56Yeah. Thought about that. But I am a recent convert to exile. So I went that way. Yeah. Told you, man. It took a while, but I finally got it. Yeah. Once you get past the popular songs on that, you dig deep into that album. It's good. Yep. All right. TR, I think you might have some other things you want to talk about. Yep. I just wanted to go over some of the, some of the shows that I've been on.

01:58:25I've gone to and some of the like what I've been listening to lately just to kind of bring everybody up to date and you know just I don't know discuss like musical things so it's it's been a while since we've actually kind of talked about this stuff but so some of these shows go back to April but yeah I saw a bunch of a bunch of bands in early April that were all

01:58:55kind of pretty much like a little bit, you know, not exactly what you'd expect. So,

01:59:05Aldi Miola on the land of the midnight sun 50th anniversary. He did a career spanning music show, including his most recent album 24, which was really outstanding. Then I also saw Elder and it's the 10th anniversary of Lore.

01:59:24So they played that in its entirety and a couple other songs, Dead Roots Stirring and Halcyon, which was really cool to see at the auto bar in Baltimore. So like a tiny club, you know, basically. Basically by my downstairs living room. Yeah, which was pretty cool to see Elder play there. And especially after, you know, they opened for Tool and they were in these giant, you know,

01:59:55like hockey stadiums or whatever. Arenas, yeah. Arenas, yeah. I just want to say, speaking of tool, undertow, enema. Those are the two. Yeah. You got that a little wrong. Hell, you can get crazy, George, and put the EP in there with... Oh, I would. I would. Yeah, I mean, that could be kind of cool. Yeah. And speaking of no quarter, you could throw the saliva in there and their version of no quarter, which is pretty cool. Yeah.

02:00:24Another show I went to was Mogwai, which is one of those instrumental post-rock bands. They're touring on their new album called The Bad Fire and delivered a great show. I also saw Howling Giant, which is one of my favorite new bands at a small club in Philly. They're working on a new album,

02:00:53So they actually played two of the new songs from the album's not even going to be out till like later this year or maybe early next year. But they're but they played a couple of those songs, which was pretty cool. And, you know, a healthy serving of their last album called Glass Future. So I really like Howling Giant. And then in May, I got to see Herb Albert and the Tijuana Brass Band. And I'm telling you, that was one of the most satisfying shows I've been to in a long time.

02:01:22I think my dad has some other vinyl yeah well you better go get it because it's good stuff

02:01:30he's a musical legend and you know he's 90 and he's playing every night he played all the hits with a full band and you know pretty much everything you'd want to hear he played it and it was like so satisfying because like Herb Alpert like that music I mean you know we just talked

02:01:52about the Beatles and stuff. He was bigger than the Beatles for a short time in the mid to late 60s when he had more songs on the top 10 than the Beatles did. It's hard to overstate how popular that music was and how big he was. He was everywhere.

02:02:22It's uplifting. It's fun. It's just, you know, you've heard it all. I'm sure like everybody's heard so many of these songs from the dating game and all these other, you know, game shows and things where they used like themes from his albums. And so many of these songs were only like a couple of minutes long or two, two and a half minutes long, but super catchy and just really fun. So that was a really, really fun show.

02:02:54And then more recently, I went to see a duo called the Mass Acoustics. It's the Thompson brothers, Matt and Andy. They're kind of singer-songwriter guys, but they rock. They've got multiple different styles that they can do that, you know, from on the verge of being country to singer-songwriter to rock to pop. And it's just the two of them.

02:03:21And they're amazing.

02:03:25One guy, you know, Andy plays the guitar and sings and Matt plays the drums and bass and sings all at the same time.

02:03:36It's incredible to watch these guys play.

02:03:40And so anyway, Mass Acoustics, they're terrific.

02:03:45And then in earlier this month in June here, I went to see the musical box,

02:03:50which is the Genesis Tribute Band. And they played the Genesis Live album tour show. And in a kind of a move that they typically don't do, they added a few songs to the end of it that were real treats to see. Because after they completed the Genesis Live show, which included Supper's Ready and all the stuff from that album,

02:04:19They played Twilight Alehouse, which I mentioned on a previous podcast, but that was a B-side.

02:04:28They were playing it in 72. They played it live during that time, but it was never on any of their albums.

02:04:40They also played Can Utility and the Coastliners, which was a really cool deep cut from Foxtrot, and then Seven Stones,

02:04:48which was from nursery crime. So that was a very satisfying show to see some of that. Also got out and saw the movie Pink Floyd at Pompeii when that came out. It was briefly in theaters. I mean, literally like only a day or two. And that was really cool to see on a big screen. I went and saw that in IMAX and the sound was tremendous. And, you know, it was so cool to see kind of metal era.

02:05:18Pink Floyd, you know, before, I mean, yes, there's like some segments where they're actually in the studio starting to record Dark Side. But it really, you know, focuses around that metal period. And just a really cool film. So that's been re-released on on DVD and Blu-ray. So if you dig that period of Pink Floyd, it's definitely it's clean, it looks sharp, and it sounds great. So

02:05:48If you're interested in that, go check it out. And then

02:05:53in terms of

02:05:55stuff I've been listening to, after I

02:05:57went and saw Kraftwerk earlier this

02:05:59year, I really had to get

02:06:01off my butt and get some of that

02:06:03stuff because I didn't really have

02:06:05a whole lot of Kraftwerk. I mean, I remember

02:06:07listening to the songs off

02:06:08of Computer World, but

02:06:11after I went to the show, I was like,

02:06:12why don't I have this stuff?

02:06:14And so I went and bought...

02:06:16I know. And so I went and bought, you know, Computer World, Trans Europe Express and the Man Machine or the Mensch Machine. And it's just so cool. Those guys, they're just so cool. I was jealous. I wanted to go to that. And you were like, come on. And I was like, nah. Yeah, it was it was it was really from what a multimedia kind of extravagant.

02:06:46I mean, the funny thing is, is, you know, the four guys walk out to these four, you know, keyboard stands and they literally just stand there all through the show. But there's so much going on behind the screen and lights and just it just was so cool. And just the way that they wove the music with the graphics and everything that was happening. It was just a really cool show to see. So I'm really glad I got to see them because I never,

02:07:16never saw that that group before and then some other things that I'm listening to lately as I mentioned when I went to see Aldi Miola I picked up his new album called 24 which is a double album a lot of great tracks on that I picked up the new Stephen Wilson album The Overview which is two songs and on this he kind of gets back a little to his prog roots and this is probably one of the more

02:07:47Porcupine Tree-ish albums that he's put out in terms of his solo output. I like it. I'm looking forward to seeing that show live. When I went to the Herb Alpert show, I was like, I got to get some of this too. I picked up South of the Border, which is a really good album. Also, the new Pelican album, Flickering Resonance, came out. They're reunited with their original

02:08:17So it harkens back to kind of the earlier sound, which you can tell that they kind of have a revived. There's like a, I don't know, just a new energy on this album that I really like. So I'm going to see them in July. And so I'm looking forward to seeing them live. And that's Pelican. They're a post-rock instrumental band.

02:08:44So that's kind of what's been going on in my musical world. Right on. So, yeah, it's interesting you mentioned this about the musical box because they do play those two songs on the Foxtrot tour at some point towards the end of the tour. It's in the set list. Yeah. So I wonder if that's the show that you saw. Well, no, they actually, you know, they rarely break character.

02:09:13But the guy, Dennis, the lead guy, he's like, you know, he comes out and he's like, that was Genesis Live, the end of the show. But if you like, we can do more songs. And everybody's like, yeah, you know. It's funny because the set list I'm looking at is Genesis Live, which is the five songs and Supper's Ready. But those two songs are included on the set list. Okay. Yeah. So if you go, if you want to see it,

02:09:43It's November 19th, 1972.

02:09:46Okay.

02:09:46Yeah, they were definitely playing that stuff at that time.

02:09:50But of course, I don't know why, but it was probably just because they didn't want to make Genesis Live a double album.

02:09:57And so they, you know, they only released Supper's Ready from it later on as a bonus track off the box set.

02:10:06Right.

02:10:06But you had to download it.

02:10:07You couldn't even get it.

02:10:08It's some weird thing.

02:10:09But no, I was just curious about that. They had to have played that somewhere down the line. And I found a show where it's almost exactly what you saw. Oh, yeah. You can go online and see Genesis playing that stuff. No, no, no. I'm saying with the Genesis Live song selection. Oh, right. Okay, I see. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, right. I know they've played them live. I know that. Yeah, yeah. But I was like, they've had to have played that as a show. So that's kind of funny. Nerds! For that period?

02:10:39Yes. Without question. Without question. That's before selling and buy the pound. So I like it more personally. Nice. I don't have the time to go over all the albums I bought since the last time we did a podcast. Yeah, I know. I will say real quick, George and I are a decibel metal and beer in April. I went for one band to see everybody. Mother of Graves. Mother of Graves, who are awesome.

02:11:09We saw Devin Townsend with Tesseract. And that might be the last time we ever see Devin Townsend, for all we know. Why is that? He's going to take a long extended hiatus. Oh. Yeah. And we only got to see, what, one of 15 shows I think he's playing? That was it, at the end. And he was awesome. Stripped down. Mike Keneally was in his band, which was freaking awesome. And then we saw Emperor. The next night. Next night. I never thought I'd see Emperor.

02:11:40Black Metal Band from Norway. Famous. Got a guy named Esan or Eshan, however you want to say his name. Esan. He's kind of popular in the Prague world now. With Wolves in the Throne Room. Yeah. Which was awesome. So those are the only shows I saw. I had some life stuff going on. Kept me busy. In addition to that, I also saw Heart at Wolf Trap. Oh, nice. How was that? It was not bad. You know, they're up there. I believe Ann Wilson's like 73.

02:12:0975.

02:12:10Itsy still actually plays pretty well live.

02:12:13Yeah, she was good.

02:12:15She's still really good live.

02:12:15Anne was good in the mid-range.

02:12:18She was amazing.

02:12:19She had a little trouble getting high.

02:12:22She want to get high.

02:12:23No, she, at least early on, she did.

02:12:27Towards the end, I mean, she like did crazy on you, and that was amazing.

02:12:30So, you know, she could get up there sometimes.

02:12:33But, you know, for what it was, I enjoyed it.

02:12:38Cool.

02:12:38I saw them years ago. Years. Back in the late 80s, I saw them. I never did see them. Well. But I bet they're, I mean, you know, I'm sure there was like every song was a hit. I mean, there was so, there's so much to choose from that I can't even imagine like how they even do a show because I mean, their, their catalog is massive. And they did two Zeppelin songs. Oh yeah. They do Battle of Evermore. Terrific. They didn't play that though.

02:13:08Oh, really? I wish they had. They did... What, like going to California? They did going to California and they did the ocean. Okay. Wow. I always liked their Battle of Evermore cover. That was really well done. I love mongos. Yeah. Yeah, that was really good. I would have taken that over going to California. But man, even the ocean, like they played that to the bitter end. Those guitar players played all those solos at the end.

02:13:38Yeah, because that does go on and on at the end. I mean, it's just a bunch of, yeah, soloing. Yeah. I will mention some of the stuff I listened to that was of a not metal variety. I listened to some Beach Boys because, you know, R.I.P. Brian Wilson. Let's see, what else do we have? I'm scrolling through my phone just to see what's on here. The new Counting Crows was not bad. I haven't liked their last few, but the new one was not bad.

02:14:08It was a little more like the old stuff. What else? The new Garbage album, Let All That We Imagine Be the Light. We're going to see them in September at Anthem. I haven't been there since we went to Priest. Let's see. What else? A band called Paralyzed. Their new album, Rumble and Roar.

02:14:38I think they're German and they're just sort of a hard rock band and I really like it. It's really good stuff. The new Peter Murphy album which is called Silver Shade. Really good stuff there. I already mentioned Taj Mahal and Keb Moe. Oh and Those Damn Crows, The Night Train, their new album. That's pretty good rockin' stuff. That's what I got. Great.

02:15:09All right. Well, I guess we are at the end of another episode, lads. Yes, it's a pleasure as always. We made it, finally, an episode. Yes. Maybe we'll be back next month. Who knows? Yeah, let's hope so. All right. Unless, you know, we all get kicked out of the podcast. You're out of here. You're out of here, too. I'm out of here. We're all out of here. At least until next time.

02:15:38That's right. And on that note. See you later. We're out of here. We're out of here.