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There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold.

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And they're climbing the stairway to 11.

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When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed.

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But online they can get what they came for.

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And they're streaming the Stairway to 11.

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I forgot about that. That's how long ago it was.

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Yeah. Unfortunately,

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I'm responsible for the medical part.

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Oh,

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so am I.

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August was mine. Well, yeah, we both.

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Yeah. Well, I was before that, we thought we were in the clear.

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And George and I decided to say, you know what?

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Surgery,

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hold our beers.

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Yeah.

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Let's go somewhere else with this.

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So it's been it's been complicated around these parts for both podcasts,

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but we'll hopefully both be back on track now.

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I actually have to thank the people present today because we also tried to do this last night.

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So now we're, but now I'm up and running and everybody was able to reschedule, which is a greatly appreciated.

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The universe is trying to stop us, but we won't let it.

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And I will persevere.

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I want to send out one message to our good friend,

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Derek.

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This is not AI.

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We're actually all four of us are here that as far as we know,

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we're looking at the screen.

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This steak is delicious.

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There's no sky in here.

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We're here.

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Yeah.

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And yeah.

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So hopefully,

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like I said, back on track.

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And so anyway,

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this episode,

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we are going to be talking about something I think we actually talked about last time briefly that inspired this episode.

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New Wave.

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New Wave music.

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And so the guys are going to let me start just briefly because I want to share my misconceptions and misunderstanding of New Wave. New Wave.

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Yeah, see, there's your first misconception right there.

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New Wave.

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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No, that's rap.

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Yeah, no, but we had, you know, we all kind of grew up during the kind of New Wave, New Wave of British heavy metal,

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hard rock, and all those kinds of things, and a lot other things were going on.

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And so for me, New Wave was like this weird enemy as this,

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like, young kid on,

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you know,

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like,

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because it was metal, dude.

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And so I wrote New Wave off entirely as Flacco Seagulls,

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keyboard-type bands,

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exclusively if you're British,

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I thought.

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So you ran so far away from it.

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Which, by the way, a song I like, once I grew up and became a more open-minded person, there's a lot of great songs by some of those bands.

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So I didn't know. And then I think somewhere along the line, I got into a big Elvis Costello phase. This was probably 20 years ago.

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And I was reading something about him, and he was referred to as a New Wave artist. And I thought, I have no idea,

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apparently, what New Wave music was.

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And so I'm just starting this off as the dumb guy on the podcast who pays attention to every kind of music and somehow let a whole genre go by me without understanding what it is.

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And I think enjoying a fair amount of it.

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So I think the thing to do is start by asking one of the smarter members of the podcast,

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or perhaps the Google machine,

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What is New Wave Music?

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Go ahead, Google Machine,

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let us know.

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All right,

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so I... Working.

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I accessed the Google Machine and put together some information for us about what was New Wave,

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the sound.

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New Wave wasn't just a single genre.

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It was an artistic explosion.

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Emerging in the late 1970s and dominating the 1980s, it was the cleaner,

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more melodic,

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and highly inventive cousin of punk rock.

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While punk wanted to burn down the music industry with raw aggression,

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New Wave wanted to rebuild it using art, fashion,

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and technology.

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It mixed traditional rock and roll guitars with cutting-edge electronic synthesizers, drum machines,

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and quirky jerky rhythms.

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It gave us everything from the jittery intellectual art rock of talking heads,

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to the gloomy gothic atmospheres of the

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All the way to the sleek neon-drenched electric pop of Depeche Mode and Duran Duran.

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So where did the name come from?

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The term was first borrowed from the French New Wave, or Nouveau I believe is pronounced,

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the French New Wave cinema movement in fact of the 1950s and 60s,

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which broke traditional filmmaking rules to create something self-aware,

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artsy, and radically cool.

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The term came to be applied to music in the mid to late 70s when there were British music writers in magazines like NME and Melody Maker and also the head of Sire Records in the US,

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Seymour Stein,

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Hello Signed the Ramones.

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They started using the term New Wave to describe bands that had the raw energy of punk but were too pop-friendly,

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sophisticated,

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or experimental to be called punk.

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It was their wave to get these edgy bands played on the radio.

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The visual revolution.

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You can't talk about New Wave without talking about how it looked.

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It was the first musical movement engineered for the visual age because video killed the radio star.

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When MTV launched in 1981,

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New Wave bands with their dramatic haircuts, Hello Billy Idol,

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asymmetrical fashion and theatrical makeup became the kings and queens of the music video format.

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It rejected the hairy, denim-clad,

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arena-rock look of the 70s. Hey, I resemble that remark.

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In favor of retrofuturism, neon colors,

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geometric shapes, and gender-bending fashion.

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So,

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why does it still matter today?

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It laid the foundation for modern alternative rock, indie pop,

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and electric dance music.

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So every time you hear a modern band using a driving synthesizer hook or a moody bass line,

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you're hearing the DNA of the new wave.

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And as I was saying all of that and thinking about what Jay had said, I also came up with this,

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which is think of it like alternative music in the 90s.

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Alternative music was not just Nirvana.

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Honestly,

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that's way more helpful.

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Even though that was a hugely helpful definition you just read,

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the last thing you said was the most helpful thing.

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Because, yeah,

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alternative music was everything from Nirvana to the Cranberries to,

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you know, it was alternative,

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but it wasn't just a single thing. And that's pretty much the same way you need to look at New Wave.

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Okay, that is helpful,

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especially since I'm looking at the Wikipedia page with lists of bands, there's some shocking names on there.

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I think John's going to walk us through a list of bands soon,

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or maybe even now.

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But like I say, looking in the Wikipedia page, there's like little things with a list of Billy Joel during the

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houses era. And I'm like, okay,

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yeah, I'm lost.

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So,

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and John Hyatt is listed there during a certain era. Yeah, for just one small period.

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Yeah. I'm like, he's, he's a blues guy. Come on. He's not,

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but you know,

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he probably like many people,

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uh,

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acclimated himself to the times for a period to try and fit in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right, John,

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let's cue that list.

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Sure.

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So,

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uh,

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one thing I want to add to,

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to what George talked about is,

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yeah,

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this is a

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a pretty big umbrella.

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So while on the other podcasts and predominantly outside of the New Wave episode where I talk about Prague,

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that's become somewhat of an umbrella term now too.

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It seems like that's in every subgenre.

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That's what New Wave was.

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But before I named some of these bands, to help out even a little more,

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they kind of break down even there.

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There's the synth pop bands, which you guys talked about offline,

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what you thought of initially.

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But then there's the post-punk art-punk,

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or art-rock, excuse me, art-punk that came out. There's the power-pop that eventually kind of started to evolve from this.

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And then there's the whole new romantic version of it, which,

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while you may not know or think about that, it actually played a part kind of big because it helped shape one of the biggest bands in this whole weird world that we all grew up in.

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from the very inception. I'm sure,

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Jay and George, you guys remember MTV.

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But those few years, three or four years, make a big difference in your impression of things when you hear stuff, especially with what you're listening to at the time also.

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So I won't waste some more time. I'll go through some names.

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George, you already mentioned a couple of them.

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Jay, I think you mentioned a couple. These are just some of the names.

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Trust me, I could have read off a list of supposedly the 100 greatest new wave bands.

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I looked at this site called Digital Dream.

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door.

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It's just some guy's list.

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I don't know if I agree with his list.

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Whatever. It doesn't matter. He put it together.

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So I'm just using that.

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So we've already heard talking heads.

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Elvis Costello,

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The Police,

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Blondie,

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Eurythmics,

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Duran Duran,

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Tears for Fears,

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Depeche Mode,

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The Cars,

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B-52s, Psychedelic Furs,

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The Pretenders,

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In Excess, The Fix,

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Devo,

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A Flock of Seagulls, Simple Minds,

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Thompson Twins,

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Ecstasy,

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Pet Shop Boys,

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The Human League, Squeeze,

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Howard Jones,

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Talk Talk,

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Level 42,

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Gary Neumann,

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New Order,

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Joe Jackson,

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Missing Persons,

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Split Ends, The Go-Go's,

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Graham Parker and the Rumor,

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and a bazillion other ones.

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I mean, that's basically your MTV playlist for like the first three or four years.

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Now,

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there are other bands that kind of touched,

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that had brushes.

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Peter Gabriel,

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Suzy and the Banshees, David Bowie,

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Roxy Music,

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Stray Cats, they weren't necessarily New Wave, but they kind of touched it. And especially Bowie and Gabriel and Roxy Music,

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you could say that those bands kind of helped shape New Wave because they're kind of the proto New Wave.

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And of course,

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you can't forget the band Japan.

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I would be in serious trouble if I didn't mention them.

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Japan from the UK,

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which was kind of the precursor to Duran Duran.

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And I mentioned Japan because TR and I are

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to actually know somebody from that band who also happened to be in the band Porcupine Tree, Richard Barbieri, the keyboard player.

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And they kind of were in that post-punk early on phase, and then they kind of shifted to this kind of art rock,

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ambient pop kind of... It wasn't necessarily a new wave,

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because it was almost even a little proggy.

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Not like 70s prog, but just pushing forward.

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and doing something different.

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And you can go back and listen to some of the early stuff and you'll hear Duran Duran considerably.

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Before we close it out,

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it's not just these bands.

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New Wave Infected Prague.

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Like, you would not believe.

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So much so that some of my bands that I absolutely love were doing that stuff.

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Like Rush.

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There they are.

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Yep.

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Got that into the episode.

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But it is important because there's a new documentary that will come up, I'm sure, later on about Neil Peart that came out.

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That shows Stuart Copeland from the police playing with Rush on the most police song that Rush ever played.

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That just dropped on the documentary.

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King Crimson got into this with their stuff in the early 80s,

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especially the album Discipline.

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Yes,

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was neck deep in this.

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Two different versions with the album Drama,

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which is

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very new wavey with the prog and then they did it with 90125 which is the new

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wavy stuff i didn't like that's their best song yeah george hey and that's totally new wave

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but it is i mean there's there's i mean the song leave it you can't get any more new wave than that

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uh peter gabriel his three and four albums are very art rocky new i guess they fall into the new wave

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umbrella they're more kind of i think influenced than anything else and then the band saga from canada

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which was a prog band in the 70s for the first two albums the next three albums for they start kind of delving into prog and new wave so even prog bands were venturing into that i'm not going to include genesis because that was not new wave that was just adult contemporary stuff that i never want to ever hear again that's garbage so that i love that yeah so i just wanted to mention some of those uh bands now i guess the cure kind of straddles a lot of different parts of this because

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at times they were kind of early on not necessarily new wave but then they kind of went into it themselves and became like a juggernaut of it so they kind of straddle the whole whole yeah i think of the more post-punk because i like the earlier stuff yeah but they eventually start to venture into that themselves yeah of course i think they just really did what they wanted to do and it just did it well but i don't think we can underestimate the influence of like bowie and gabriel and roxy music on

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a lot of those bands.

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And then Japan on top of that.

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How much influence.

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And Bowie didn't really do it much.

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Because his 80s stuff was a little.

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That power pop kind of stuff. With the heavy gated drum sound and everything.

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But his album.

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Which maybe comes up later on. I don't know. It's possible.

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Scary Monsters.

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It's very new wave-ish.

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And it's sound.

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Anyway.

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That's just a list of artists. To kind of throw some context.

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Are there any other ones that you guys can think of that I didn't mention?

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Oh gosh, you mentioned so many.

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I mean,

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uh-huh.

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Yeah.

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I may repeat stuff you said because I didn't completely memorize everything you said, but like the Bengals maybe.

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Yeah,

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I mean, it starts to go that route. Cutting Crew,

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Cindy Lauper, of course,

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Nick Lowe,

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Men at Work even,

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Midnight Oil.

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Yeah, I was going to ask you if you thought.

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was there and also like the knack would you put them in there yeah i see the idea is like you said george it wasn't that they were following jay like jay's conception of the synthy yeah look all that it's they were just doing something different almost taking a cue from punk which was trying to do something different from old rock old prog and disco yeah they strip it down this is sort of what's happening and like george you mentioned the alternative scene in the 90s same thing just doing something

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different.

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It wasn't a scene.

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The scene developed around what they were doing.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to throw out big,

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big country class as a big,

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important one to probably mention.

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Which is,

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which is weird because they started out as full on punk rock.

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Punk.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then as they got more commercially successful,

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yeah,

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their sound started to change dramatically.

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I've got a few more.

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George,

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I'm surprised you didn't mention Joe Jackson.

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He did.

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I did.

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Oh,

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I'm sorry.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And I do at some point want to circle back and see if Jay did his homework on that one.

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But if you didn't,

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wink,

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wink, you did. All right.

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I do have a few.

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Go ahead. Yeah, I have a few more.

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Midnight Oil,

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Missing Persons,

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Modern English,

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Naked Eyes,

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Oingo Freaking Boingo.

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Yeah.

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Oh,

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God. Every time I hear them,

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I think of Robert Downey Jr. on the floor.

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Yeah.

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What movie was that?

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I'm spacing on it. Say it!

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Say it!

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No.

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Oh,

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that's right. Back to school.

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He hired Oingo Boko to play the party.

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Maybe you can tell us what happened in the Korean War.

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Oh, I like you.

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I'm going to be watching you. I'm going to be watching you.

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And one other one that back in the day,

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this was one of,

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you know, back when I was Mr.

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80,

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He's metal-only guy.

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There were a number of bands that I completely trashed and disliked on principle,

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Duran Duran being one of them,

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that I am now a huge fan of.

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But there's another one that I am more recently a huge fan of,

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and that is the Pet Shop Boys.

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Yeah, I've heard a lot of metalheads,

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musicians,

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are fans of the Pet Shop Boys.

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They've got some really good hooks,

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man.

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I forget the hits.

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You've got the brains,

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or I've got the brains, you've got the money,

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let's take lots of money.

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That song's really good.

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East End Boys, West End Girls is a big one.

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I don't know what the fuck this is.

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Should we throw the fix in on this?

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Oh yeah, they were mentioned.

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Oh yeah.

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So I want to just state, what's interesting about some of these bands, and this might come up in some of the stuff that I bring up personally,

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is that they started out very synthy and pop oriented like you mentioned Jay but as their careers moved on they became just more just a rock band and their sound change and the sound became more I don't want to use the word organic but you know what I'm saying that will kind of warm full instruments coming off an amp not running through a processor or through a synth you know no electronic drums back to acoustic drums.

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And George's,

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you know, Google machine rant there,

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he mentioned cutting-edge electronics.

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And it's funny because it's cutting-edge, but it's dated as hell. And I mean,

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how cutting-edge it was at the time, I guess is what I'm trying to say.

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And how weird and square and completely synthetic things like,

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I'm trying to think of what the,

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there was this technology that was used at that time, MIDI.

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Yeah. Stuff like that.

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At this time.

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Which I think I all kind of went into this grotesque misconception and false bravado like George was talking about where I sort of like, well, I just kind of like those guys, you know what I mean? Or something like that. It's funny, too, because I missed a lot of good music.

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I mean, I heard it.

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I'm glad I circled back.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, it's interesting.

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TR can attest to this a little bit because he's a big Peter Gabriel fan. But you go listen to those early Peter Gabriel albums,

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like three and four.

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And you listen to Bowie when he was doing the Berlin Trilogy,

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like with Lowe.

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and heroes the synths on those are one thing and even king crimson they weren't using synths but the way they were playing it sounded like it but then you go to synths like a flock of seagulls and a human leak and it's like literally 180 degrees different from each other yeah the sound is just one is adding texture and layers and atmosphere and one becomes almost abrasive and not on purpose but the sound sounds like in your face like a soundtrack from a video game or something yeah and it's

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Right.

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And it's interesting how that developed over time.

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You know, we're some of the artists that followed the kind of proto versions of the new wave.

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I mean, we forgot to mention,

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and they're not necessarily new wave, but Bauhaus.

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We didn't even mention them.

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Yeah. You know, Peter Murphy. I would have put them in that category,

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right?

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Yeah, but they fell in the post-punk realm to start.

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You know, and I think as time went on, they kind of became

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part of the genre.

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Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not an expert in this.

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As much as I love all this music,

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I'm not a super expert. I don't know anything. I remember Yaz upstairs at Eric's. That was a big wave style.

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I don't think it's easy to define.

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I'm thinking about New Order and how they went from Joy Division and then early New Order was more guitar-based oriented to eventually being a very

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Synth Forward Band.

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Yeah,

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electronic. You know, it's funny,

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too, because all of the definitions and everything,

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this has all been super helpful to me. I mean, help is the word for it, but it's also made it clear how kind of confusing it can be.

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That's why we're here for you.

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We're here for everybody today.

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And it's funny because I don't know if there are a lot of... I mean, is genre the word for this?

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or is it a is it um i don't think it's a genre it's i don't think so either is it a period it's an era that i think it's an era well you know what i kind of feel like one of the things that we haven't mentioned is the fact that the technology was finally catching up with what people wanted to do with it and and you know if you look at kind of these proto keyboard electronic bands like tangerine dream and what larry fast was doing in synergy

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When it was literally, they would record a single note at a time because the technology didn't allow them to do anything else.

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Yeah.

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When all that stuff became a lot more mainstream and the keyboards and everything that you could get were more capable and synthesizers became a little more powerful and capable,

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then you pretty much,

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it enables this whole thing to happen because then you've got like people that can purchase this stuff and like tinker around with it and shape sounds with all the different because i mean uh my buddy jason had a uh juno 106 and i remember this keyboard basically you could literally it was a tone generator really and you could change the shape of the tone based on like what kind of sound you wanted no it was

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Millions of knobs.

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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All kinds of buttons and knobs.

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It's like, you know, if you wanted a sawtooth, you get a sawtooth.

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If you wanted a sine wave type thing, you could do that.

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And it literally changed.

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Like, you could create your own sounds,

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which,

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you know, when you listen to all that music,

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that, you know,

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nothing really sounded like that before because nothing existed like that before.

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Sort of.

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Sort of. Because we can't forget Brian Eno.

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I mean, a lot of these bands don't exist without him.

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And he was such cutting edge when it came to this, especially his work with Bowie,

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and then his own solo work. I mean, he just,

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he kind of set the table for everyone to jump on board.

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But so I kind of want to do a sidebar here on this too, because what's interesting,

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I keep thinking of the era we're in now, which is this utterly accessible era as far as technology goes. We're in the end times.

00:24:02.220 --> 00:24:02.660
Music.

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But musically speaking,

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and you know, like anybody can produce their own stuff.

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And I have to say that one,

00:24:12.760 --> 00:24:16.140
having at least touched a little bit,

00:24:16.340 --> 00:24:17.960
and I'm curious of other people's experience,

00:24:18.340 --> 00:24:19.840
the other people present here,

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the electronics to me seemed like you had to have a computer science degree to operate that stuff. Like it was all seemed so complicated to me.

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Well, yeah, I mean, think about like all the like old like Moogs and,

00:24:31.820 --> 00:24:34.720
and all the things with like a million patch cords and stuff.

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Yeah,

00:24:36.620 --> 00:24:36.740
exactly.

00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:38.620
But in MIDI in particular,

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which I mentioned previously,

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which was a big guitar tool, but also used probably.

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And I never,

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I never was able to kind of, I never tried that hard, but I never was able to kind of pull in like, whoa, this is not worth the effort. You know what I mean? It was like. MIDI rules.

00:24:51.340 --> 00:24:54.860
And so that's interesting to me that that's changed a lot, but also that,

00:24:55.060 --> 00:24:55.280
you know,

00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:56.880
you've talked about these guys experimenting.

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I mean, it wasn't just push a button and that says fuzz box on it, you know.

00:25:02.320 --> 00:25:03.180
It is now.

00:25:03.660 --> 00:25:04.440
I just picked. It is now.

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I'm more of a guitar guy,

00:25:06.740 --> 00:25:09.780
but I just picked up the Omnisphere package,

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which is a massive synth keyboard thing,

00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.640
plug-in software suite.

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And that's what I thought of when TR was talking about all the different knobs and stuff, because they go all in with like, they've got all these classic synths and keyboards in there,

00:25:29.820 --> 00:25:34.820
and you've got all these digital virtual knobs that you can tweak.

00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:44.600
tweak all that stuff to whatever kind of waveform you want and tweak these sounds. And it's so above my head, but I'm like, I just want to play with it.

00:25:45.060 --> 00:25:50.920
I'll never figure it out, but I want to play with it. Do you play with it while playing your guitar or are you saying it's like a keyboard thing?

00:25:51.180 --> 00:25:52.220
No, I've got a keyboard,

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like a MIDI controller keyboard.

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You can even just do it on the screen.

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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. Jay, you just gave us our next little voiceover sample.

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Do you play with it?

00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:05.540
Can you play with your guitar?

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:08.780
Yeah, I use it like a slide.

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We don't even realize when we're doing it anymore. It just comes out like it's natural.

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But you know what, Jay?

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Back in the day, it's been a while now, I picked up the Roland GR1 guitar synth, which was this thing.

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It was like an outboard, like, I don't even know what to call it.

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What do you call it?

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An effects box.

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Not like a pedal,

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but bigger.

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And it attached to your guitar via this additional pickup that you attach to it.

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And you could play synth via your actual guitar.

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And so I would play piano parts by doing chord arpeggios.

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Hello,

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GTR.

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Yeah.

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Turbo and Somewhere in Time.

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A bit different.

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To metal again,

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because we don't always have to talk about metal,

00:27:13.060 --> 00:27:17.660
but now it's suddenly interesting to me that metal was really in no way under this umbrella at all.

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I find that odd that the new wave of British heavy metal,

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which was basically a more sophisticated punk,

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is such an exclusively different genre.

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Well, I blame that on Manowar and their no wimps, no posers, no sense creed.

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You got it, George.

00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:35.920
You just nailed it actually. Well,

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them and Bruce.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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He says keyboards and metal.

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And then the next album comes out and it's all synths.

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But you know what? That harkens back to write what both George and I said, which was to us these,

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you know, this was antithetical to heavy metals in my mind.

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Yes,

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it was. Much to our detriment.

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And now look at it.

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I mean,

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artists that are big now,

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not new artists,

00:28:02.010 --> 00:28:04.020
ones that are got 20 years in,

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they all

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I point back to that stuff now some of them.

00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:15.100
Yeah I mean. They get inspiration from it. Yeah and then when symphonic metal came along they just blew the doors off of that and they were like oh yeah we're using keys.

00:28:15.460 --> 00:28:16.480
We're using MIDI.

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Come on now.

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So.

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And then you have bands like Symphony X are like well we're just going to write a symphony intro to every album.

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And then they're not the only ones but pretty soon now all those bands you mentioned George and the symphonic metal bands with the female singers and they have the harsh vocals from the

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They're all doing these huge intros with symphonies and it's just progressed in so many different directions since the 80s. I mean, I know there's still a lot of hardcore,

00:28:46.220 --> 00:28:48.000
brutal black metal folks.

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They're like,

00:28:48.780 --> 00:28:49.060
you know,

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completely against all this stuff. But metal music in particular has splintered into so many different factions and styles now that you're never going to please everybody.

00:29:01.120 --> 00:29:04.620
Enslaved and Borknagar might kind of push back on that.

00:29:04.740 --> 00:29:06.180
because they use a lot of keys now. Well, yes,

00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:07.940
but I'm talking about the raw,

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atmospheric.

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That's what I was making.

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It's,

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yeah, those guys living in their mom's basement up in those single black metal bands in Pennsylvania that we seem to always see at shows, and I don't know why.

00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:30.640
It's funny because the biggest black metal bands, I mean, Eson is a perfect example of somebody who's gravitated towards that sound on his solo work.

00:29:31.020 --> 00:29:33.700
Yeah, big time. You know, I've come to,

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In my many decades and years of music and exploration among the stars,

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I've come to the conclusion that only a fool limits themselves intentionally.

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Of course.

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You know,

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it's fine to have preferences,

00:29:52.860 --> 00:30:00.000
but don't exclude things based on ridiculous principles that really don't stand up.

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So this genre has to be a product of its era,

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right?

00:30:32.700 --> 00:30:32.980
I mean,

00:30:34.900 --> 00:30:39.340
the 80s. I mean, this music doesn't happen without the 80s. But do you guys, can you,

00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:42.960
we're all roughly in the same age group. And by the time we're all in the home together,

00:30:43.300 --> 00:30:46.000
we won't even know how long the difference between us.

00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.160
But think about this in a 10-year span.

00:30:49.860 --> 00:30:52.420
Let's just say from like 76 to 85.

00:30:53.260 --> 00:30:57.440
We went from hard blues rock to prog.

00:30:57.600 --> 00:30:58.220
Don't forget punk.

00:30:58.440 --> 00:30:58.580
To disco.

00:30:59.180 --> 00:30:59.680
To punk.

00:31:00.020 --> 00:31:00.220
Yeah.

00:31:00.420 --> 00:31:01.760
To post-punk.

00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:02.600
To art rock.

00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.620
to New Wave,

00:31:04.780 --> 00:31:06.960
not to Hip Hop yet.

00:31:07.120 --> 00:31:08.040
To Thrash.

00:31:08.820 --> 00:31:11.280
Thrash. I mean, Metal blew up New Wave.

00:31:11.540 --> 00:31:13.620
I mean, that all happened in 10 years.

00:31:13.900 --> 00:31:14.460
It's bizarre.

00:31:14.860 --> 00:31:15.220
Yeah,

00:31:15.460 --> 00:31:15.940
that's amazing.

00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.180
And now throw in.

00:31:17.540 --> 00:31:18.160
How bizarre.

00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:20.600
Vinyl to cassette.

00:31:21.120 --> 00:31:23.180
We're going to skip the 8-track as fuck that.

00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:25.520
You know, then to CD,

00:31:25.760 --> 00:31:28.460
which we may not have had them yet, but they were there.

00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:29.740
They were out there a little bit.

00:31:30.020 --> 00:31:30.320
Oh, yeah.

00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:31.160
MTV,

00:31:31.840 --> 00:31:32.620
that show Night Flight.

00:31:32.700 --> 00:32:02.660
which predates mtv by a couple months i mean all of a sudden i got the visual stuff going on and then you got that shitty synth bass that getty lee used for a couple albums so i was like what the hell is he doing you know i know and it just that all happened in 10 years oh yeah let's just throw in computers on top of that yeah and cable and you know no longer did we have to stand there and hold the antenna anymore go go fix the bunny ears speak for yourself you know my dad was like we're done with that we're getting cable so we had a box we were too far

00:32:04.659 --> 00:32:06.220
We never had that, yeah.

00:32:06.940 --> 00:32:07.500
It's funny,

00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:08.940
John, because it's like a weird renaissance,

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.420
isn't it?

00:32:11.260 --> 00:32:12.600
A previous era to that,

00:32:12.900 --> 00:32:25.480
to me, that comes to mind would be when Picasso started to happen and when psychoanalysis started to happen and we're making great strides in medicine and all these different things.

00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:32.280
And then I think we kind of hovered for a while, and this does strike me as one of our big evolutionary jumps.

00:32:33.760 --> 00:32:37.800
Yeah, this was like a step function. I mean, there was a lot that happened.

00:32:38.060 --> 00:32:39.520
In a really short period.

00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:40.020
Yeah,

00:32:40.420 --> 00:32:40.520
boom.

00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.460
And it's like,

00:32:42.100 --> 00:32:42.320
yeah.

00:32:43.260 --> 00:32:43.440
Yeah,

00:32:43.780 --> 00:32:50.080
there's so much that like it took and it took like years for that stuff to kind of splinter off and do its own thing.

00:32:50.260 --> 00:32:52.020
You know what I mean? Like that, like you said, John,

00:32:52.180 --> 00:33:01.420
like that kind of led to so many other things that that took off from that time that we're seeing all the way up till today,

00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.140
pretty much.

00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:02.980
You know,

00:33:03.280 --> 00:33:05.000
as a slide aside here, I keep seeing this.

00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:08.740
Well, not keep, but I've seen several times now this documentary,

00:33:09.170 --> 00:33:10.460
or excuse me, not a documentary,

00:33:10.850 --> 00:33:12.920
but I've seen the trailer for it. It's called The 80s,

00:33:13.390 --> 00:33:14.940
and people are raving about this thing.

00:33:16.600 --> 00:33:17.660
Is that all on your radar?

00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:20.740
I've seen a little bit of it.

00:33:21.300 --> 00:33:22.840
You saw a little bit of the actual documentary?

00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:25.040
Or you mean you've seen the trailer or whatever?

00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:26.840
Is this like a CNN thing?

00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:29.120
It's been around for a while, I think.

00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:32.520
Yeah. I don't understand it. I think they tell the tale.

00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:40.020
in music and clips from popular culture. And somehow this guy spliced together this movie that's supposed to tell the story of the 80s. But I thought there was a series.

00:33:40.580 --> 00:33:42.320
If you watch the trailer,

00:33:42.650 --> 00:33:50.540
you know, the quotes at the end of the trailer from, you know, Rex Reed of the LA Daily Blaine are like all like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen. So it's one of the reasons I'm bringing it up.

00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:51.080
George,

00:33:51.360 --> 00:33:51.780
I'm like you.

00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:56.740
I remember like a series that used to be out that like it was on CNN or something.

00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:57.460
No, no,

00:33:57.720 --> 00:33:58.220
not that thing.

00:33:58.820 --> 00:33:59.900
I'll send it to you guys.

00:34:00.020 --> 00:34:30.000
I'll send you the trailer and the trailer is like to Purple Rain the song Purple Rain and it's clearly just scenes from the movie but it's everything from heavy metal parking lot type things to national events international events just in Madonna and I mean it's I think it's going to strike close to all of our hearts for that reason but it's also supposed to be this really amazing new version of storytelling I'll send you guys the trailer yeah just a crazy I was hoping when you had seen it no nope okay well

00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:30.560
Thanks for nothing,

00:34:30.720 --> 00:34:30.820
guys.

00:34:31.120 --> 00:34:33.260
Hey, before we move on to anything else,

00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:38.100
I've been looking for an in for this for a while since John mentioned them.

00:34:38.830 --> 00:34:40.720
John mentioned the band Split Ends.

00:34:41.580 --> 00:34:45.560
And I've never I've heard the name before,

00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:46.899
but recently,

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:49.360
not for the first time,

00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.340
I heard them on the radio, the song I Got You.

00:34:53.040 --> 00:34:53.159
Yep.

00:34:54.040 --> 00:34:55.060
And I was like,

00:34:55.220 --> 00:34:55.360
oh,

00:34:55.540 --> 00:34:55.659
yeah,

00:34:55.830 --> 00:34:59.040
who are these guys again? Oh, yeah, Split Ends. I've been meaning to look those guys up.

00:34:59.140 --> 00:35:00.300
The Crowded House guys.

00:35:00.680 --> 00:35:00.780
Yeah,

00:35:01.240 --> 00:35:01.380
basically.

00:35:01.880 --> 00:35:03.540
Oh, are they really? Okay, I see. I don't know.

00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:04.440
I think two, right,

00:35:04.620 --> 00:35:04.720
TR?

00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:05.420
Two of them,

00:35:05.600 --> 00:35:05.860
I think.

00:35:06.260 --> 00:35:07.200
But that song.

00:35:07.600 --> 00:35:15.960
The Finn Brothers, yeah. That song is so good. And so I've been like, I haven't listened yet, but I made a huge playlist with all of their albums so that I could get into them.

00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:18.640
Don't they have a song called Monster or something like that?

00:35:20.060 --> 00:35:21.280
Because I remember the video.

00:35:21.560 --> 00:35:25.420
The video is... So we have to add this part.

00:35:25.820 --> 00:35:28.380
The visual is huge for us back then.

00:35:28.660 --> 00:35:28.960
Absolutely.

00:35:29.140 --> 00:35:59.100
videos absolutely sucked and we couldn't stop watching them we didn't have anything else you know like i just oh you would watch mtv and you'd see the same video four times in a day and you'd be like this is amazing yeah right you'd get sucked in like oh dude yeah i so i did not have cable and i had to go over to my friend jason's house because he did have cable and i'm like dude i just want to watch mtv i want my mtv

00:35:59.100 --> 00:35:59.760
on my MTV.

00:36:00.500 --> 00:36:04.080
And he's just like, dude, I've been watching it for hours. I don't want to watch it anymore.

00:36:04.340 --> 00:36:04.680
I'm like,

00:36:05.100 --> 00:36:05.340
what?

00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:05.920
Like,

00:36:06.640 --> 00:36:06.740
dude,

00:36:07.020 --> 00:36:08.180
like we got to watch this.

00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.660
And you hate your friends like that.

00:36:11.160 --> 00:36:14.840
Yeah, it's like, yeah. Oh, I've got it so much. I can't even stand it anymore. And I'm like,

00:36:15.740 --> 00:36:28.580
all I want to do is watch like as much of this as I possibly can get. Like I wanted to intravenously put MTV into my body because it was like and you know, the funny thing is, is like half of these bands,

00:36:28.740 --> 00:36:29.080
I didn't

00:36:29.120 --> 00:36:59.080
I didn't even like I mean it was just but it was so yeah it just captured a moment in time that like it was just so cool to watch this stuff well it's more than that CR if I may be so bold but previous your previous experience was magazines dude so it was static images right I didn't know how half these guys looked when they moved around you know well that's true yeah I mean if you watch look to cream magazine or like Rolling Stone or any of them and then to see like these people moving

00:36:59.120 --> 00:36:59.340
Yeah,

00:36:59.590 --> 00:36:59.700
exactly.

00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:03.560
It's like, this is like, we've never had this.

00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:10.060
And it's just like, and they're giving it to you in this like package of here's the song.

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:11.300
And here's like this,

00:37:11.630 --> 00:37:12.020
you know,

00:37:12.220 --> 00:37:15.480
kind of arty thing with the song that you know,

00:37:15.780 --> 00:37:17.260
you've never even seen. And like,

00:37:17.560 --> 00:37:18.760
sometimes it was like a better,

00:37:18.980 --> 00:37:20.540
very literal kind of translation.

00:37:21.270 --> 00:37:22.580
But sometimes it was like,

00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:24.100
so off the,

00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:25.580
you know, like,

00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.000
what in the world was that?

00:37:27.160 --> 00:37:27.400
Like, I,

00:37:27.620 --> 00:37:29.060
that, that was an interpretation.

00:37:29.560 --> 00:37:31.700
of that song that I never would have imagined.

00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:33.600
And I agree. Like,

00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:36.480
like when all these bands started showing up on MTV,

00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:39.780
it was kind of like, it was fascinating.

00:37:41.220 --> 00:37:41.740
But,

00:37:42.260 --> 00:37:42.560
you know,

00:37:44.050 --> 00:37:45.600
in terms of new wave, like Jay,

00:37:45.810 --> 00:37:46.200
I just,

00:37:46.450 --> 00:37:48.180
it didn't really grab me at all.

00:37:49.720 --> 00:37:51.020
But it was still,

00:37:51.410 --> 00:37:55.300
I mean, I was still captivated by the videos because it's like,

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:55.840
okay,

00:37:56.820 --> 00:37:58.380
I've never seen this before.

00:37:59.100 --> 00:38:01.060
That's what they were showing, and you like music.

00:38:02.780 --> 00:38:03.260
I'll

00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.960
prevent John from correcting us, and I will drop a few names like John.

00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:08.840
No, no, no.

00:38:09.220 --> 00:38:10.820
Don Kirshner did exist.

00:38:11.180 --> 00:38:11.300
Oh,

00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:12.220
yeah.

00:38:12.580 --> 00:38:13.020
Love it.

00:38:13.080 --> 00:38:15.720
And so I'm not saying we never saw these people move.

00:38:16.460 --> 00:38:20.880
But, you know, John, we were talking briefly before we hit the record button,

00:38:20.900 --> 00:38:26.300
and John made a sad and financially dangerous attempt to watch the ZZ Top documentary.

00:38:29.120 --> 00:38:31.200
It's like five bucks, but I wasn't giving them that five bucks. Yeah,

00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:32.800
goddammit, I'm keeping my money.

00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:45.580
But I mention it because that documentary culminates in the Eliminator era. They don't bother talking about anything else after, and their success at that time was very dependent upon MTV.

00:38:46.940 --> 00:38:48.200
And synthesizers,

00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:52.000
they were heavily synth-based. They weren't New Wave, but they were influenced.

00:38:52.180 --> 00:38:52.400
Yeah,

00:38:52.720 --> 00:38:52.820
definitely.

00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:57.340
And they talk about that, but there's a very charming little piece of interview where Frank Beard is saying,

00:38:57.520 --> 00:38:58.720
I turned on the television.

00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:01.240
They probably all had the most expensive cable box.

00:39:02.390 --> 00:39:04.480
There was a show on about music.

00:39:04.980 --> 00:39:08.040
I watched it and I kept watching it. It was on for like two hours.

00:39:08.300 --> 00:39:13.400
I called Dusty and I'm like, dude, you got to watch this show. We watched it until four in the morning. We were like, when is this damn show?

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.800
It was the first day of MTV.

00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:18.840
That's how they discovered it.

00:39:19.320 --> 00:39:19.680
Anyway.

00:39:20.330 --> 00:39:24.620
I got to tell you, there's something I just thought of what we're talking. This was a massive culture shock for us too.

00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:26.920
And I'm not using that lightly.

00:39:27.200 --> 00:39:35.920
Think about it. We're used to seeing Van Halen early on. Or we're used to seeing Led Zeppelin, Robert Plant without his shirt unbuttoned.

00:39:36.700 --> 00:39:40.780
And then he uses Foghead with their sweaty little thing singing Fool in the City.

00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:44.680
And then all of a sudden you're looking at Duran Duran and you're like, what just happened?

00:39:45.460 --> 00:39:49.080
Where did this come from? You're looking at Ozzy all coped out on stage.

00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:50.000
Who am I,

00:39:50.220 --> 00:39:50.820
you all?

00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:53.480
Let me see your hands.

00:39:55.520 --> 00:40:24.580
you see the fix and you're like what the hell is going on you know and it was and i'm not using that lightly culture shock i mean it was kind of like just getting remember the three stooges you get smacked on one side of the face and your face would turn and you get smacked on the other side of your face and then you poked in the eyes yeah or or you get nut punched you know so i mean well it's funny because your friends were assholes we were talking about you were talking about the early technology and we've all been talking about that and how this

00:40:24.580 --> 00:40:28.020
And some of it was not that approachable because it was a little,

00:40:28.600 --> 00:40:28.880
you know,

00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:31.060
produced or synthetic.

00:40:32.020 --> 00:40:36.960
And the videos kind of weren't too, though. They were way more angular than what we were used to. You know what I mean? They were sharp corners.

00:40:37.180 --> 00:40:37.540
You know what I mean?

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.500
We were used to guys coming out who didn't maybe shave that good and blah, blah, blah.

00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:43.540
And suddenly it was a production,

00:40:44.170 --> 00:40:44.420
you know?

00:40:45.640 --> 00:40:52.800
And that is, I've never really thought about it that way, but I think there might have been a part of me that internally kind of rejected some of it for that reason.

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:53.540
Oh, yeah.

00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.320
I'm with you Jay. I mean, like,

00:40:56.700 --> 00:40:57.500
I mean, this all,

00:40:58.140 --> 00:41:05.540
when this came out, it was kind of diametrically opposed to kind of the music that I liked.

00:41:06.080 --> 00:41:08.680
So it was kind of like an assault on,

00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.780
you know, what I thought was good music.

00:41:12.680 --> 00:41:20.020
And I think that's why I kind of didn't really care for it. I mean, it just seemed like,

00:41:21.260 --> 00:41:21.620
I don't know,

00:41:22.620 --> 00:41:24.140
like it was opposed to.

00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:25.460
It was everywhere.

00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:26.540
That's the other thing.

00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:27.440
Well, that's true.

00:41:27.940 --> 00:41:29.180
It was on the radio.

00:41:29.450 --> 00:41:30.340
It was on MTV.

00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.660
And don't get me wrong,

00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:39.640
I didn't hate it, but I just didn't connect with it. I just didn't really,

00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:40.620
I don't know.

00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:42.160
It didn't really,

00:41:42.540 --> 00:41:53.520
it felt lightweight to me, and it just didn't really kind of like, there was no heaviness to it, and there was no kind of balls to it, I didn't feel.

00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:57.680
We were kind of wrong though, weren't we? You totally missed the boat on some of that.

00:41:57.860 --> 00:42:00.360
Well, I may have, but to be honest,

00:42:00.550 --> 00:42:01.020
like I just,

00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:01.860
I don't know,

00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:05.380
like it just didn't speak to me at all.

00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:17.220
You're hitting on a point that I didn't really clarify when I talked about how we, you know, we were dumb to not listen to things because of principles and blah, blah, blah.

00:42:17.380 --> 00:42:23.540
But the fact was in the eighties and probably the nineties and the seventies and the aughts and the

00:42:23.580 --> 00:42:24.780
the 10s and the 20s now,

00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:32.020
there's still social aspects that have nothing to do with the music.

00:42:33.260 --> 00:42:34.400
And in the 80s,

00:42:34.930 --> 00:42:38.800
the reason I didn't like this music wasn't because it wasn't good music.

00:42:39.120 --> 00:42:40.120
It wasn't your tribe.

00:42:40.300 --> 00:42:43.100
It was because I didn't like the people that liked this music.

00:42:45.460 --> 00:42:48.580
I liked my music because it was my music.

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:52.320
And I disliked your music because I disliked you.

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:55.000
And this is a terrible thing,

00:42:55.160 --> 00:42:58.820
but this is also how teenage people work out. That's why they didn't like our music.

00:42:59.120 --> 00:42:59.540
It's the same.

00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:00.400
Absolutely.

00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:03.000
And then you became friends with them 10 years later.

00:43:03.160 --> 00:43:04.280
Like, why aren't we friends?

00:43:04.600 --> 00:43:04.740
Yeah.

00:43:05.060 --> 00:43:05.400
TR,

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:07.940
just real quick, I want to say this because I don't want to lose this thought,

00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:09.780
Jay. I apologize for cutting you off.

00:43:10.060 --> 00:43:10.260
No.

00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:16.040
You were saying how you didn't connect with it. The reason these bands existed is because of the stuff we like.

00:43:16.480 --> 00:43:19.640
It became so bloated and overdone. Like, let's be honest,

00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:22.720
I could see why this music exists after I hear it.

00:43:22.760 --> 00:43:22.780
here,

00:43:23.200 --> 00:43:25.060
Dazed and Confused Live for the third time.

00:43:25.520 --> 00:43:30.180
It's 30 minutes long. Yeah, I won't disagree with you. And that's why Punk came out of nowhere,

00:43:30.340 --> 00:43:30.760
because... Well,

00:43:31.120 --> 00:43:32.080
right. It was a reaction,

00:43:32.330 --> 00:43:33.080
and I get that.

00:43:33.240 --> 00:43:42.180
But at the same time, I don't have to like it. You know what I mean? No, I'm not saying you have to like it. Nobody's saying that. Nobody's putting a gun to your head here. What I'm saying is... I just felt like, okay,

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:43.320
it's a result.

00:43:43.740 --> 00:43:47.120
I get that you guys don't like this stuff, and I get that,

00:43:47.300 --> 00:43:48.620
yeah, it's probably bloated,

00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:52.720
and I get all that, but at the same time, it's like, maybe you should learn

00:43:52.740 --> 00:43:53.680
how to play your instruments.

00:43:54.120 --> 00:43:56.420
And I get that you've got all this

00:43:56.720 --> 00:43:57.180
hatred.

00:43:59.040 --> 00:44:00.520
See, that's the misconception.

00:44:00.780 --> 00:44:02.300
You think they can't play their instruments,

00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:04.820
and that's so wrong for some of these musicians.

00:44:05.100 --> 00:44:05.540
You're referring,

00:44:05.700 --> 00:44:06.980
I think, more to the punk period now.

00:44:07.160 --> 00:44:07.740
Yeah, the punk.

00:44:08.640 --> 00:44:09.760
That's a punk movement.

00:44:10.040 --> 00:44:11.480
It was just kind of like, okay,

00:44:11.740 --> 00:44:13.120
I don't know.

00:44:13.460 --> 00:44:15.380
I don't know. They rejected even talent.

00:44:15.640 --> 00:44:15.900
I mean,

00:44:16.080 --> 00:44:16.840
in a lot of cases.

00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:20.200
Well, that was the whole point, that they didn't even want to know how to play their instruments.

00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:20.540
I mean,

00:44:21.490 --> 00:44:23.020
I mean, Barrett could not even play bass.

00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:24.480
He had no idea how to play bass.

00:44:24.640 --> 00:44:29.520
I really want to validate. But neither did Nicky Six, and he was playing hair metal. He had to be taught by Randy Rhodes how to play bass.

00:44:29.700 --> 00:44:30.120
So, I mean. Yeah.

00:44:30.680 --> 00:44:39.560
I really want to validate and jump on George's point, though, and just say I really think he had something there, because you can forget how culturally tribal we were, especially when you were in junior high and high school. So,

00:44:39.720 --> 00:44:41.880
the 80s itself was already bad enough,

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:45.920
just as, I mean, that's what represented in every John Hughes. The preps and the stoners.

00:44:46.160 --> 00:44:46.800
The breakfast club.

00:44:47.060 --> 00:44:47.420
Yes.

00:44:47.700 --> 00:44:49.160
Yeah, and every other John Hughes.

00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:50.840
There you go.

00:44:51.340 --> 00:44:52.360
That was the perfect reference.

00:44:52.620 --> 00:44:53.320
It's the breakfast club.

00:44:53.660 --> 00:44:57.660
And we lived through that. And it was. It was weird. We were all in our weird little silos.

00:44:57.870 --> 00:45:00.280
And I know we kind of still are. But we were Bender.

00:45:00.640 --> 00:45:01.620
They were Molly Ringwald.

00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:02.500
Screw them.

00:45:03.200 --> 00:45:03.640
Well,

00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:05.220
and in a weird way,

00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:05.840
Fast Times,

00:45:06.080 --> 00:45:06.220
too.

00:45:06.630 --> 00:45:08.560
I mean, that wasn't as defined.

00:45:08.820 --> 00:45:10.660
But Fast Times is all about clicks,

00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:11.040
too.

00:45:11.200 --> 00:45:13.440
You know, what group you belong to. Just,

00:45:13.990 --> 00:45:17.860
I think, a little more realistic in the sense that I think we all went to that high school.

00:45:18.700 --> 00:45:22.820
All those kids existed in Fast Times in high school. Well, that's why that film was so great.

00:45:23.020 --> 00:45:25.420
I mean, it nailed it because it's like,

00:45:25.620 --> 00:45:26.980
yeah, that's reality,

00:45:27.180 --> 00:45:31.380
man. That was like you totally got exactly what was going on. The Breakfast Club,

00:45:31.560 --> 00:45:32.040
while true,

00:45:33.310 --> 00:45:40.420
I think they purposely amp things up a little bit just to create the division for the story itself.

00:45:40.940 --> 00:45:42.420
But it's existed.

00:45:43.650 --> 00:45:46.680
But I'm going to be honest with you right now. They would have not have survived the next day,

00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:47.360
next Monday.

00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:51.500
That's just the truth.

00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:54.100
You mean survived as in still been friends?

00:45:54.680 --> 00:45:55.120
Right. Yes,

00:45:55.560 --> 00:45:55.860
absolutely.

00:45:56.140 --> 00:45:57.740
Bender even says that. He goes, I don't know.

00:45:58.080 --> 00:45:59.780
You know, what happens on Monday?

00:45:59.960 --> 00:46:00.340
Yeah.

00:46:01.080 --> 00:46:03.140
Yeah, I had situations like that with people.

00:46:03.560 --> 00:46:05.860
Yeah. I love this, guys. This is great because this really,

00:46:06.100 --> 00:46:11.180
this is all relevant to New Wave and why it was embraced, why it probably developed the way it did.

00:46:11.540 --> 00:46:18.000
Well, I think we kind of answered our question when I put this little thing together. Like, how do we get into it?

00:46:18.720 --> 00:46:25.280
answered that tenfold here um so are you okay if i move fast forward it george or is there something

00:46:25.420 --> 00:46:29.100
yeah maybe we should talk about some music i mean we've been talking about music but maybe we should talk

00:46:29.240 --> 00:46:48.680
about some music yeah okay because i think we and i think we sort of answered where we are now whether we still like it or not or we got to it or you know yeah let's just roll with some of our favorites if you have them yeah if you don't yeah maybe you'll

00:46:48.680 --> 00:46:51.140
of something that we don't know about.

00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:54.500
Who wants to start?

00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.220
I guess I will,

00:46:56.380 --> 00:46:58.780
since I probably have the least to say on this.

00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:00.260
So,

00:47:00.550 --> 00:47:02.780
I guess of these new wave bands,

00:47:02.940 --> 00:47:10.660
probably I'm the biggest fan of The Police and Devo.

00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:11.640
There you go.

00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.540
Those are like my two,

00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:18.040
probably the two bands that I have the most stuff from.

00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:20.980
And I,

00:47:21.870 --> 00:47:22.140
you know,

00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:23.460
it's hard to understand,

00:47:23.790 --> 00:47:23.920
like,

00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:25.600
you know, when you look at,

00:47:25.910 --> 00:47:26.040
like,

00:47:26.530 --> 00:47:26.680
my,

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:29.200
the rest of my collection and, like, what I've got.

00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.620
And it's hard to explain,

00:47:31.790 --> 00:47:34.900
like, why I really like these bands. Like, not so much the police,

00:47:35.090 --> 00:47:37.520
because I really like how,

00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:42.340
as a three-piece and as just,

00:47:42.510 --> 00:47:42.620
like,

00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.160
the way that they were,

00:47:44.580 --> 00:47:47.220
there was a lot of energy there.

00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:47.960
There was a lot,

00:47:48.200 --> 00:47:49.300
but it wasn't like,

00:47:50.470 --> 00:47:51.800
I don't know, they were kind of punk,

00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:52.280
but like,

00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.080
but they were not angry punk.

00:47:55.350 --> 00:47:55.820
You know what I mean?

00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.480
Like they just seemed like they were more like fun punk.

00:47:58.900 --> 00:48:00.580
They were definitely post-punk,

00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:01.140
no doubt.

00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.100
Yeah. Because they had the whole ska reggae thing going. Exactly.

00:48:04.600 --> 00:48:05.380
And so,

00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:06.080
you know,

00:48:06.540 --> 00:48:06.900
I really,

00:48:07.140 --> 00:48:09.900
I kind of took to them and I really liked them.

00:48:10.100 --> 00:48:13.960
And Devo was another band that I just thought they were weird. They were quirky.

00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:15.720
Were they men?

00:48:16.900 --> 00:48:18.860
Are we not men? We are Devo.

00:48:19.080 --> 00:48:20.080
But George,

00:48:20.330 --> 00:48:22.060
it was Tierra's Beautiful World.

00:48:22.450 --> 00:48:23.040
I mean, come on.

00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:24.500
Not me.

00:48:25.580 --> 00:48:26.600
But yeah.

00:48:27.340 --> 00:48:28.380
For you.

00:48:28.620 --> 00:48:30.100
So yeah,

00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:31.220
I just,

00:48:31.420 --> 00:48:32.120
I don't know.

00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:44.440
Those two bands were kind of like probably the biggest ones that I actually really got into in terms of like quantity and albums and everything.

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:54.900
these bands that I'm going to mention later are like, oh, I have like an album or two or less or just a few singles.

00:48:56.050 --> 00:48:56.160
Because,

00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.300
you know, that was really all that I kind of got into.

00:48:59.520 --> 00:48:59.860
But like,

00:49:00.790 --> 00:49:02.600
I like Devo because I just thought,

00:49:02.900 --> 00:49:05.060
you know, they were kind of weird and they were kind of funny.

00:49:06.690 --> 00:49:08.200
And they were different from everybody else.

00:49:09.260 --> 00:49:11.160
And you like to whip it good?

00:49:12.680 --> 00:49:13.120
Yeah,

00:49:13.290 --> 00:49:14.120
you could say so.

00:49:15.340 --> 00:49:16.000
Actually, I just,

00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:16.720
you know, I just,

00:49:16.900 --> 00:49:19.080
I saw them live for the first time this year.

00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.800
And I was so glad I went to see them because I had never seen them live before.

00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.840
And it was just it was such a cool show.

00:49:28.540 --> 00:49:34.900
And they just put on a really good show. And it was just really entertaining.

00:49:35.240 --> 00:49:38.820
And I just enjoyed it a lot. So it was really good.

00:49:41.100 --> 00:49:42.800
Play peekaboo with anybody there?

00:49:44.580 --> 00:49:45.800
I can see you.

00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:48.420
And I know what you do.

00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:54.060
So Depot's a great one because they had just the quirkiest videos.

00:49:54.560 --> 00:49:56.240
Yeah. And it made it fun.

00:49:56.820 --> 00:49:57.420
I mean,

00:49:57.600 --> 00:49:58.480
is it,

00:49:58.700 --> 00:49:59.840
which one is it? Is it,

00:50:00.040 --> 00:50:00.420
um,

00:50:01.100 --> 00:50:01.820
what's the song?

00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:03.380
Not that's all.

00:50:03.580 --> 00:50:04.060
What is it?

00:50:04.520 --> 00:50:04.880
Um,

00:50:05.700 --> 00:50:06.560
the one with the,

00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:06.800
uh,

00:50:07.020 --> 00:50:07.280
donut.

00:50:07.470 --> 00:50:08.160
Oh, that's good.

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:08.900
That's good.

00:50:09.160 --> 00:50:09.220
Yeah.

00:50:09.370 --> 00:50:10.100
And we were all like,

00:50:10.350 --> 00:50:10.460
Oh,

00:50:10.720 --> 00:50:11.820
the French fry and the donut.

00:50:12.220 --> 00:50:13.420
It's like, Oh boy.

00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:13.940
Okay.

00:50:14.540 --> 00:50:15.620
What's going on there?

00:50:16.340 --> 00:50:20.780
Why does he keep whipping that woman when she's trying to make that weird whipping cream in the video?

00:50:21.680 --> 00:50:22.800
Whip it, you know, so

00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:24.760
Nice,

00:50:25.100 --> 00:50:25.160
okay

00:50:26.120 --> 00:50:26.960
And the police obviously

00:50:27.380 --> 00:50:31.360
It's hard to escape the police in this period because not only were they one of these bands

00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:33.220
They're also one of the biggest bands in the world

00:50:33.620 --> 00:50:35.400
They're also the police. You can't get away from the police.

00:50:35.780 --> 00:50:35.900
Yeah,

00:50:36.160 --> 00:50:36.240
literally

00:50:37.380 --> 00:50:41.080
You know and now you still can't get away from because stuart copeland won't stop talking

00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:43.220
blah blah blah

00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:44.320
I mean,

00:50:44.600 --> 00:50:46.400
albeit somewhat interesting,

00:50:46.600 --> 00:50:48.100
but sometimes like take a breath,

00:50:48.620 --> 00:50:50.920
let somebody else get a few words in and we'll come back to you.

00:50:51.080 --> 00:50:51.760
You're not going anywhere.

00:50:52.860 --> 00:50:55.080
But I do find it interesting to hear him talk drums.

00:50:55.390 --> 00:50:55.940
So anyway.

00:50:57.120 --> 00:50:57.280
All right.

00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:57.500
Nice.

00:50:58.180 --> 00:50:58.760
Jay, what do you got?

00:50:59.620 --> 00:51:00.320
I'll, I'll,

00:51:00.740 --> 00:51:00.960
I'll,

00:51:01.380 --> 00:51:02.120
well, I'm going to say first,

00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.340
I'll, I'll just talk about one artist and I've already kind of mentioned them, but,

00:51:06.180 --> 00:51:06.400
um,

00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:08.920
I will say this too, though, because, and it's,

00:51:09.180 --> 00:51:13.120
I've really enjoyed this whole conversation and, and like hitting on the weird,

00:51:13.220 --> 00:51:43.180
the tribalism thing and the clicks and all that stuff we did and the way technology affected all this and my own kind of rejection of it because I was crazy in the number of the beast and all that stuff but I did I always there were always great songs that I recognized as great songs and I'm going to call some of those out like and I mean I'm going straight now for my old mistaken definition of this genre which is the keyboard bands from Britain and stuff but like I ran so far away that was such a good song and I love that song Big Hunt

00:51:43.260 --> 00:51:44.120
by big country.

00:51:44.480 --> 00:51:50.180
I like tainted love, which might not fall into this, you know, like there was definitely falls in soft.

00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:50.660
Yeah.

00:51:51.520 --> 00:51:51.620
And,

00:51:51.860 --> 00:51:54.240
you know, and I'm sorry, but the song at the end of, uh,

00:51:55.020 --> 00:51:55.140
uh,

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:56.260
breakfast club,

00:51:56.460 --> 00:51:58.920
don't you forget about me still makes me deeply nostalgic,

00:51:59.120 --> 00:51:59.520
you know?

00:51:59.680 --> 00:52:00.340
Oh, absolutely.

00:52:00.700 --> 00:52:01.200
That's a good song.

00:52:01.820 --> 00:52:07.980
There were always things I could attach myself to it. And unfortunately they're all time machines for me now, if I hear them, you know,

00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:09.640
but as far as,

00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:10.160
um,

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:13.180
and that list would be very, very long of the

00:52:13.220 --> 00:52:13.680
I liked.

00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:21.860
But I'll throw out Elvis Costello just because I think he kind of typifies this movement a little bit and that he really came in as a post-punk guy.

00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:24.300
He had an immense amount of talent.

00:52:24.680 --> 00:52:28.320
His early stuff is very mod kind of inspired.

00:52:28.680 --> 00:52:32.580
You could tell he was he was like in the punk arena.

00:52:34.080 --> 00:52:38.000
Yes. Without question but then went on to have this great complex career.

00:52:39.420 --> 00:52:43.180
But you know to stick with the New Way version I loved everything he did in the New Way version.

00:52:43.300 --> 00:52:55.980
And he early on really embraced the keyboard stuff. Like if you know the album Imperial Bedroom or any of his other kind of technology-driven albums that are still guitar-driven but also technology-driven.

00:52:56.640 --> 00:53:01.280
I don't know. I think he kind of typifies this whole movement a little bit. And I would also,

00:53:01.640 --> 00:53:08.120
I had mentioned it sort of confused me to hear that he had been part of this era,

00:53:08.440 --> 00:53:10.120
I guess is what we decided to call it.

00:53:11.300 --> 00:53:21.680
It kind of makes an awful lot of sense to me because he was deeply rooted in kind of like really basic rock and roll and embraced technology,

00:53:22.080 --> 00:53:23.840
was a fabulous songwriter and singer,

00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:28.520
and kind of like survived that era to show you,

00:53:28.720 --> 00:53:33.460
not unlike your friend Joe Jackson, to show you the kind of talent that was underneath these things.

00:53:34.140 --> 00:53:39.060
You know what I mean? Because some of the presentation in this genre was a little plastic.

00:53:40.220 --> 00:53:46.460
But I'm going to jump on John's boat and say I can think of some great musicians who wants the kind of,

00:53:46.700 --> 00:53:47.640
you know,

00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.860
frame that this very specific era had under it. And they started to kind of branch out a little bit. And we were like, oh,

00:53:54.240 --> 00:53:54.900
this guy can play.

00:53:55.180 --> 00:53:55.480
And same.

00:53:55.720 --> 00:53:55.920
Right.

00:53:57.300 --> 00:53:57.700
Yeah.

00:53:58.140 --> 00:54:05.180
I think we got kind of, I think the point,

00:54:05.580 --> 00:54:07.200
Jay, I think that's a very good point.

00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:10.100
We kind of got led down.

00:54:10.240 --> 00:54:20.640
this synthesizer path that, you know, when you actually take away the synthesizers and you look at, like, the music.

00:54:21.260 --> 00:54:22.460
It's just drums.

00:54:23.120 --> 00:54:23.720
Yeah.

00:54:24.980 --> 00:54:28.060
It does kind of change things because,

00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:28.760
you know,

00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:32.620
if it hadn't been synthesizers,

00:54:33.230 --> 00:54:37.580
and like you said, you know, as time passed and that whole thing passed along,

00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:40.180
they chose to use different

00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:44.620
different kinds of instruments and different kinds of arrangements and they,

00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:45.240
you know,

00:54:46.190 --> 00:54:46.960
grew as artists.

00:54:48.380 --> 00:55:02.920
It, it, it, it's not so much tied to that whole era so much as their talent and what they were able to accomplish and, and the music and things that they were able to do. And so I think that,

00:55:04.220 --> 00:55:04.380
yeah,

00:55:04.850 --> 00:55:05.160
you know,

00:55:05.340 --> 00:55:07.500
when you look at this era and what was in it,

00:55:09.210 --> 00:55:09.480
you know,

00:55:09.670 --> 00:55:10.140
I think we,

00:55:10.220 --> 00:55:15.260
got kind of waylaid by some of the instrumentation.

00:55:16.640 --> 00:55:17.180
We did.

00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:19.120
When really,

00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:21.960
like if we had been paying attention to the actual music,

00:55:22.300 --> 00:55:24.100
and I think like what you're saying is, you know, like,

00:55:24.260 --> 00:55:24.340
hey,

00:55:24.540 --> 00:55:28.020
there's some really good songs here that,

00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:30.240
you know, because we were like,

00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:31.480
kind of like, well, wait a minute,

00:55:31.780 --> 00:55:34.080
you know, why does this have to be synthesizer?

00:55:34.200 --> 00:55:36.000
And I don't like these haircuts and blah, blah, blah.

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:37.280
It's like, well,

00:55:37.600 --> 00:55:38.880
maybe these are pretty good songs,

00:55:39.160 --> 00:55:39.400
you know?

00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:40.360
So,

00:55:41.780 --> 00:55:41.820
yeah.

00:55:41.930 --> 00:55:42.820
Yeah, and it's funny.

00:55:43.160 --> 00:55:46.000
So it's funny how that is, but it's great to see these,

00:55:46.990 --> 00:55:49.160
to kind of, it's great to find that.

00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:50.500
And part of that is just age.

00:55:50.620 --> 00:55:52.740
I mean, some of this I realized on my own a long time ago,

00:55:52.940 --> 00:55:53.000
like,

00:55:53.180 --> 00:55:54.340
oh, I actually kind of like that.

00:55:54.410 --> 00:55:54.780
You know what I mean?

00:55:55.940 --> 00:55:58.100
Well, you know, like alternative music.

00:55:58.290 --> 00:55:58.620
That's where I,

00:55:58.860 --> 00:56:00.700
that's, I'm not going to have a huge list.

00:56:00.770 --> 00:56:05.360
I would just say there's a million songs along the line that move me in pretty specific ways.

00:56:05.720 --> 00:56:11.320
And I think Ellis Costello is a great example of somebody I love who is definitely a child of the New Wave era.

00:56:12.200 --> 00:56:14.120
And one of its, you know,

00:56:14.400 --> 00:56:15.700
forerunners, you know. Yeah.

00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.040
I was going to say,

00:56:18.560 --> 00:56:26.860
you know, the 90s alternative music scene was sort of a response to the excess of the 80s and the guitar solos and the wankery there.

00:56:27.240 --> 00:56:27.760
Yeah.

00:56:27.980 --> 00:56:33.820
And New Wave was probably kind of a similar response to the guitar heroes of the 70s.

00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:34.500
Yeah.

00:56:34.580 --> 00:56:35.840
Because that was pretty wankery,

00:56:36.040 --> 00:56:36.200
too.

00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:38.300
Of a different... I mean,

00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:43.040
you know, a lot of people were like, I'm tired of these rock,

00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:43.600
roll,

00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:44.940
guitar player people.

00:56:45.300 --> 00:56:47.000
And let's just do something completely different. And,

00:56:49.810 --> 00:56:50.040
you know,

00:56:50.220 --> 00:56:53.100
I think that was probably a similar response.

00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:55.920
Anyway,

00:56:56.160 --> 00:56:57.980
I don't know where I was going with that.

00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:00.760
Except there.

00:57:04.600 --> 00:57:04.820
So,

00:57:05.710 --> 00:57:05.820
um,

00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:08.720
well, ask John,

00:57:09.280 --> 00:57:10.120
what's something you like?

00:57:10.600 --> 00:57:12.040
So before I get started,

00:57:12.450 --> 00:57:12.560
uh,

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:14.380
George, I want to know this for you,

00:57:14.600 --> 00:57:16.260
since you and I, I think are in the same boat,

00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:22.360
meaning you and I would probably go to shows of these bands before TR and J would join us.

00:57:22.580 --> 00:57:22.740
Sure.

00:57:23.220 --> 00:57:25.320
But that's okay because this is stuff we liked.

00:57:26.180 --> 00:57:27.180
I want to find out when,

00:57:27.950 --> 00:57:29.680
when the dam broke for you. For me,

00:57:29.940 --> 00:57:34.400
it was actually a band that had some of the,

00:57:34.460 --> 00:57:37.180
most over-processed 80s sound ever,

00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:39.780
but it told me that, hey,

00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.320
wait a minute, these dudes in this band can actually play.

00:57:42.920 --> 00:57:44.620
Why don't I like their other band?

00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:46.200
And that was the Power Station.

00:57:47.200 --> 00:57:52.020
First time I heard the Power Station, I was like, man, Andy Taylor plays some freaking heavy guitars,

00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:53.540
man. He's not a wimp on this.

00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:55.620
And I was like,

00:57:56.540 --> 00:57:58.460
John Taylor's a really good bass player.

00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:00.020
I sort of knew that already,

00:58:00.180 --> 00:58:01.520
but now I really know it.

00:58:02.260 --> 00:58:04.100
And then Robert Palmer.

00:58:04.460 --> 00:58:33.260
who's this blue-eyed soul singer and not durand durand yeah and then i was like wait that's the drummer from david bowie's serious moonlight tour tony thompson from i guess it was chic who he's in or whatever like who is this band and i'm not gonna lie that album and the song of veto a kill by durand durand from the james bond movie i was like okay i'm missing something here and that's kind of when the dam started to break for me and that was 85

00:58:34.060 --> 00:58:35.080
So I was already,

00:58:35.340 --> 00:58:38.660
you know, it was already past a lot of what come out.

00:58:39.670 --> 00:58:39.780
So,

00:58:40.120 --> 00:58:42.860
but this first, I haven't mentioned two bands now,

00:58:43.420 --> 00:58:44.460
two bands,

00:58:44.620 --> 00:58:51.220
but I'm going to pick two albums from those bands because I can't talk about everything from those bands because I like them, but I don't know everything about them.

00:58:51.560 --> 00:58:52.200
This isn't Rush,

00:58:52.420 --> 00:58:53.020
okay? Jeez.

00:58:54.040 --> 00:58:55.240
All right, my God.

00:58:55.560 --> 00:58:58.600
All right, so my first one is a video that I saw.

00:58:58.830 --> 00:59:00.480
I don't know why it intrigued me.

00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:03.100
I loved it. I kind of loved this simple,

00:59:03.260 --> 00:59:06.500
I love the fact that a guy was using a tambourine in this.

00:59:07.420 --> 00:59:08.080
And I was like,

00:59:08.300 --> 00:59:09.600
this is weird music to me.

00:59:09.890 --> 00:59:11.100
But I it stuck with me.

00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.900
And I'm a fan of this band to this day. I don't I've got like six of their albums,

00:59:15.120 --> 00:59:16.900
but and I wouldn't call myself.

00:59:17.050 --> 00:59:19.660
But I wouldn't say I'm the biggest fan of this band.

00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:20.880
However, I love this band.

00:59:22.370 --> 00:59:23.780
And so I get in around the same.

00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:25.300
I hate this band.

00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:25.840
No,

00:59:26.220 --> 00:59:26.500
not at all.

00:59:27.600 --> 00:59:29.100
Sort of an inside joke with Tara and I.

00:59:29.660 --> 00:59:29.760
Anyway,

00:59:30.790 --> 00:59:32.160
the band is Ecstasy.

00:59:32.380 --> 00:59:32.920
Oh, yeah.

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:34.900
The Album is English Settlement,

00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:36.760
which came out in 1982.

00:59:37.200 --> 00:59:47.900
And I could talk about Ecstasy for all their other albums, but I'm mentioning this one because Senses Working Overtime played on repeat on MTV. Such a good song.

00:59:48.120 --> 00:59:50.260
And I was like, this song is catchy.

00:59:51.520 --> 00:59:54.860
It's not clicking in my head that it's kind of post-punk-y,

00:59:55.020 --> 00:59:55.380
new-wavy,

00:59:55.700 --> 01:00:01.600
and jangle rock, which I didn't really get the whole jangle rock thing until I got a little older. I'm like, oh,

01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:02.560
wait, The Birds.

01:00:03.260 --> 01:00:03.340
Oh,

01:00:03.690 --> 01:00:03.800
wow.

01:00:04.310 --> 01:00:05.920
How did I miss this? Yeah, beatley kind of stuff,

01:00:06.120 --> 01:00:06.500
right? Yeah,

01:00:06.660 --> 01:00:11.000
where did this jangle stuff come from now? Oh, wait, Tom Petty's jangle rock.

01:00:11.220 --> 01:00:12.360
What the heck's going on here?

01:00:12.680 --> 01:00:13.260
You know?

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.600
And I just fell in love with this album.

01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:20.340
And it took a few years to kind of gravitate towards it.

01:00:20.520 --> 01:00:29.740
But I really think if you want to get a band that has a more warm acoustic instrument sound,

01:00:30.570 --> 01:00:32.040
then this would be one of the bands you do.

01:00:32.080 --> 01:00:40.220
If you're not a fan of the synthesizer, especially the abrasive sound that the synthesizers, you know, where it was up front and it was dominating the sound,

01:00:40.440 --> 01:00:50.300
you might want to give Ecstasy a spin because they've got some really cool early stuff is post-punk-y. Then they started to get more in the new wave, power pop.

01:00:50.540 --> 01:00:52.780
I don't want to say power pop yet, but pop rock,

01:00:53.160 --> 01:00:55.680
which is... The Ballad of Peter Pumpkinhead.

01:00:56.160 --> 01:00:56.400
Yeah,

01:00:57.100 --> 01:00:57.560
dear God.

01:00:57.860 --> 01:00:59.160
Yeah, well, so I was going to say,

01:00:59.660 --> 01:01:00.060
for me,

01:01:00.320 --> 01:01:01.980
I got into them with Sky.

01:01:02.080 --> 01:01:04.220
Gylarking and Dear God,

01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.260
which is a few years later.

01:01:06.460 --> 01:01:06.700
But yeah,

01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:07.860
it is a few years later.

01:01:08.020 --> 01:01:11.120
But that Dear God by XTC or XTC,

01:01:11.420 --> 01:01:12.720
however you want to say it. Yeah, I know.

01:01:13.220 --> 01:01:17.240
They both fly. It's one of my favorite songs of all time. I love that song.

01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:18.080
It is so good.

01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:20.580
I would say listen to that song George just mentioned.

01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:26.180
Listen to the song I mentioned since it's working overtime. Oh, I know that song very well. Oh, no, I'm saying in general to anyone.

01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:26.780
Yes, yes.

01:01:27.020 --> 01:01:27.400
Not me.

01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:28.760
All the rest of you fools.

01:01:29.080 --> 01:01:29.280
TRNJ.

01:01:29.920 --> 01:01:31.960
And then go to the album Black Sea.

01:01:32.080 --> 01:01:33.700
They have a song called Respectable Street.

01:01:33.940 --> 01:01:39.520
And you could hear almost three different styles on three albums within five, six years of each other.

01:01:40.220 --> 01:01:43.360
And it's just they were kind of just pushing all over.

01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:47.740
So that MTV is responsible for that. And I'm a fan.

01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:47.980
Again,

01:01:48.160 --> 01:01:49.300
not the biggest fan in the world.

01:01:50.180 --> 01:01:56.320
But I consider myself a fan. I like their stuff. And I kind of am interested in getting an album I haven't heard yet.

01:01:56.660 --> 01:01:57.940
Because like I said, I don't have everything.

01:01:59.060 --> 01:01:59.200
Yeah.

01:01:59.560 --> 01:02:00.840
So George is right.

01:02:01.660 --> 01:02:04.440
And they had even more poppy type songs later on.

01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:06.280
Like the Mayor of Simpleton. You remember that,

01:02:06.700 --> 01:02:06.780
George?

01:02:07.060 --> 01:02:07.340
Yes. Yes.

01:02:07.540 --> 01:02:07.920
You know,

01:02:08.080 --> 01:02:08.960
and like you said,

01:02:09.700 --> 01:02:15.300
the Dear God, the Ballad of Peter Pumpkin. All these songs were big radio hits at the time.

01:02:16.040 --> 01:02:20.760
You know, but they were transcending the new wave and just becoming then just rock at that point.

01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:21.140
Yeah.

01:02:21.740 --> 01:02:23.120
Right. So my second one,

01:02:23.620 --> 01:02:26.740
and I don't care, I'm dying on this hill. I absolutely love this album.

01:02:27.620 --> 01:02:29.580
This album resonated with me because I remember,

01:02:29.780 --> 01:02:30.880
remember we used

01:02:30.920 --> 01:02:55.160
to have those all school assemblies like in like wherever you know uh the auditorium and i remember we had we're gonna watch this video you guys gotta get in touch with your feelings that crap you know like the principal's talking like oh god shut up and they played a song from this album on there now mind you that was 86 85 86 and this happened but the album came out in 82.

01:02:56.180 --> 01:03:00.880
and i'm going with this album because it's by far

01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:30.880
the weirdest situation of any new wave band because most of this band came from one of the weirdest bands ever and i'm going to go with missing persons in the album spring session m if you know anything about missing persons you'd know that four of the five people in this band were in frank zappa's band i didn't know steve i was in missing persons steve i's not on this speaking of which i just bought his

01:03:30.920 --> 01:04:00.880
His like children's it's not children's but it's animated uh his book on like music theory because I was like you know guitar based music theory and I was like oh I don't know read this anyway sorry I'm sure it's good no I was gonna say Dale Bozio and Terry Bozio Dale Bozio the singer and in Terry Bozio is one of the greatest drummers ever to live uh the Warren Kukarulu I think is how you say his name the guitarist and Patrick O'Hearn this they were

01:04:02.060 --> 01:04:03.740
They went from Fake Zappa,

01:04:03.940 --> 01:04:07.520
singing about yellow snow and going to Montana,

01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.560
which are amazing songs,

01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:23.220
and going from that kind of dark humor fused with jazz and rock and prog and whatever you want to call it, all the way to this crazy synth,

01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.940
new wave, hard rock driven album that has songs like Destination Unknown,

01:04:29.720 --> 01:04:30.500
Walking in LA,

01:04:31.480 --> 01:04:31.880
Words,

01:04:32.040 --> 01:04:32.980
Noticable One, Windows,

01:04:33.260 --> 01:04:34.200
US Drag. I love Words.

01:04:34.580 --> 01:04:40.520
Words, that's the song from the Assembly that was blasting in our auditorium. And I was just like,

01:04:40.720 --> 01:04:40.860
whoa,

01:04:41.060 --> 01:04:44.500
this is actually really cool. No one listens anymore.

01:04:46.080 --> 01:04:48.080
Then you go back and listen to this album. What are words for?

01:04:48.740 --> 01:04:50.000
Like this song, US Drag,

01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:51.120
that they have on there,

01:04:51.340 --> 01:04:53.120
that's a Zappa-esque song.

01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:56.440
I mean, it just absolutely reeks of Zappa. And you're like, wait a minute,

01:04:56.600 --> 01:04:58.420
they have high hair and a lot of makeup,

01:04:58.820 --> 01:05:00.820
and they're wearing all these weird clothes.

01:05:00.900 --> 01:05:02.780
and all these synthesizers.

01:05:03.620 --> 01:05:05.220
And you're like, but that sounds like Frank Zappa.

01:05:06.419 --> 01:05:08.840
It's, I would suggest at least that album.

01:05:09.060 --> 01:05:11.020
I've listened to the other two and I'm like, eh,

01:05:11.720 --> 01:05:12.220
not so big.

01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:13.820
That's the thing about these bands with me.

01:05:14.400 --> 01:05:15.100
I like albums,

01:05:15.430 --> 01:05:17.540
but I don't, I'm not, it's not like Rush.

01:05:17.660 --> 01:05:19.040
I'm not buying every album, all right?

01:05:19.260 --> 01:05:21.780
Even if Hold Your Fire sucks, I'm not, I'm still buying it.

01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:25.080
I'm going to just jam this Rush right up your.

01:05:25.640 --> 01:05:26.360
Damn right.

01:05:26.820 --> 01:05:27.380
Your Rush hole.

01:05:27.720 --> 01:05:30.660
Your Rush hole, which I think it's this one over here.

01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:31.080
Yeah.

01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:31.580
Well,

01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:32.660
I'm going to make a new one.

01:05:33.160 --> 01:05:34.800
And we liked it.

01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:36.660
And we liked it. Remember that?

01:05:36.860 --> 01:05:40.160
So anyway, I would suggest Missing Persons 2 because,

01:05:41.460 --> 01:05:41.680
like I said,

01:05:41.860 --> 01:05:42.380
Terry Bozio.

01:05:42.780 --> 01:05:44.920
Terry Bozio. Can't go wrong with Terry Bozio.

01:05:45.120 --> 01:05:46.800
He's one of the greatest drummers ever to live.

01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:47.200
Yeah.

01:05:47.460 --> 01:05:49.260
And he's got the biggest drum set in the world.

01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:51.560
So anyway,

01:05:51.780 --> 01:05:53.600
those are my two to start.

01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:54.380
All right.

01:05:55.300 --> 01:05:58.840
So I'm sort of going to start with two,

01:05:59.020 --> 01:06:00.700
but I do have a

01:06:00.720 --> 01:06:07.500
I have to start with a prequel of piling on the whole police thing.

01:06:09.080 --> 01:06:09.200
Because,

01:06:09.440 --> 01:06:09.660
I mean,

01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:10.200
cha,

01:06:10.640 --> 01:06:10.840
you know.

01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:17.720
But I wanted to mention that, you know, my notes say the police.

01:06:18.100 --> 01:06:21.080
I walked in the building as they were walking out.

01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:25.080
Because I got into them with synchronicity.

01:06:25.980 --> 01:06:26.460
Oh,

01:06:26.780 --> 01:06:30.380
wow, really? And I was all like, this is amazing. Wait, they broke up?

01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.300
So I had to like,

01:06:35.700 --> 01:06:36.940
you know, go back from there.

01:06:38.560 --> 01:06:39.840
This band is so cool.

01:06:41.120 --> 01:06:44.080
But yeah, you can't go wrong with the police.

01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:44.900
But anyway,

01:06:46.180 --> 01:06:52.180
one of my absolute favorite new wave bands and just bands in general.

01:06:54.020 --> 01:06:54.980
And to sort of,

01:06:55.340 --> 01:07:00.080
I guess, call back to John's question of like, like, when did you get into this stuff?

01:07:00.180 --> 01:07:01.040
You know,

01:07:01.600 --> 01:07:02.300
in the 80s,

01:07:02.640 --> 01:07:05.140
obviously, I was very much a metal dude and,

01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:08.000
like, not inclined to listen to things that were not metal,

01:07:08.180 --> 01:07:11.520
at least unless I was in my house,

01:07:11.860 --> 01:07:12.660
in my room,

01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:18.540
in my bed under the covers where nobody could see me or know.

01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:24.640
And then I would listen to things like Huey Lewis and The Police and this band,

01:07:25.520 --> 01:07:26.280
The Cars.

01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:27.360
Oh,

01:07:27.540 --> 01:07:27.620
yeah.

01:07:27.820 --> 01:07:28.060
Nice.

01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:30.900
I love everything about the Cars.

01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:35.100
And honestly, I think they're probably one of the greatest new wave bands of all time.

01:07:35.540 --> 01:07:39.560
I got into them physically,

01:07:40.250 --> 01:07:43.280
and this by I mean my first album was Shake It Up.

01:07:43.920 --> 01:07:45.760
I got that from where?

01:07:45.920 --> 01:07:48.760
Columbia House and Record and Tape Club.

01:07:50.040 --> 01:07:51.160
One red cent.

01:07:51.340 --> 01:07:52.900
But their first album,

01:07:53.200 --> 01:07:54.540
The Cars,

01:07:54.930 --> 01:07:55.780
self-titled. That's crazy.

01:07:56.500 --> 01:07:57.780
Good Times Roll.

01:07:58.400 --> 01:07:58.680
You Know It.

01:08:04.120 --> 01:08:07.420
One of my favorite songs of all time and one that I have poorly covered.

01:08:07.980 --> 01:08:09.380
Just What I Needed.

01:08:10.220 --> 01:08:12.000
Just What I Needed.

01:08:12.660 --> 01:08:14.220
Such an amazing song.

01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:15.780
You're All I've Got Tonight.

01:08:17.440 --> 01:08:18.319
Bye Bye Love.

01:08:18.700 --> 01:08:20.819
And I'm hearing all these choruses right now.

01:08:21.540 --> 01:08:24.380
Moving in Stereo. That's a cool tune.

01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:28.380
That is a ridiculously cool tune. This is all off their just their first

01:08:28.400 --> 01:08:30.740
This is like Bad Company's first album,

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:31.440
their debut,

01:08:31.740 --> 01:08:34.000
just like loaded with hits across the board,

01:08:34.440 --> 01:08:35.980
albeit completely different style of music.

01:08:36.200 --> 01:08:39.040
And it wasn't even like their biggest album,

01:08:39.299 --> 01:08:39.859
you know, I mean,

01:08:40.359 --> 01:08:41.960
Shake It Up has Since You're Gone,

01:08:42.180 --> 01:08:42.980
Shake It Up.

01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:45.819
But then Heartbeat City,

01:08:46.279 --> 01:08:50.319
you know, is probably I'm guessing that maybe the first album. Did that have Drive on it?

01:08:50.480 --> 01:08:51.020
Heartbeat City?

01:08:51.240 --> 01:08:52.380
That's the big one, yeah.

01:08:52.740 --> 01:08:53.420
Heartbeat City.

01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:53.759
Yeah.

01:08:54.440 --> 01:08:55.540
That was the one they were saying.

01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.740
Magic and You Might Think.

01:08:58.420 --> 01:08:58.839
So,

01:08:59.120 --> 01:08:59.380
you know,

01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:02.640
massive. But their first album is still their best album, I think. I agree.

01:09:03.020 --> 01:09:05.060
But I will listen to anything by the cars.

01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:14.900
And... Well, Rick Okasik also gave us all the kind of just false hope that somebody like that could pull the supermodel. Yeah, well,

01:09:15.100 --> 01:09:16.020
not false hope.

01:09:16.180 --> 01:09:18.200
He pulled it. It's just, you got to be famous.

01:09:18.759 --> 01:09:19.200
Yeah.

01:09:19.400 --> 01:09:20.920
It still has us wondering,

01:09:21.080 --> 01:09:22.480
Jay, like, what the hell?

01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:25.500
How did he do that? All things are possible when famous.

01:09:25.839 --> 01:09:27.380
What's going on back there?

01:09:27.740 --> 01:09:29.380
He just died in the last couple of years.

01:09:29.540 --> 01:09:29.720
I know.

01:09:31.299 --> 01:09:32.160
He was significantly

01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.279
older than the rest of the guys. I think by

01:09:35.120 --> 01:09:35.980
seven years ago.

01:09:36.529 --> 01:09:36.620
Yeah,

01:09:36.940 --> 01:09:37.540
it was quite a bit.

01:09:39.900 --> 01:09:41.520
Oh, playing the trumpet over there, I hear.

01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:42.920
Sorry about that.

01:09:45.859 --> 01:09:47.359
Jay's an Oingo Boingo fan.

01:09:49.220 --> 01:09:51.140
You know, that's my natural sound

01:09:51.290 --> 01:09:51.920
for what it's worth.

01:09:53.490 --> 01:09:55.000
And it draws laughter.

01:09:55.160 --> 01:09:55.600
And I'm like, what?

01:09:55.740 --> 01:09:56.420
What's everybody talking about?

01:09:57.900 --> 01:09:58.420
It's cute.

01:09:58.680 --> 01:10:02.000
When did he die? Because I'm actually kind of curious about it. It was 2019.

01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:03.540
Wow.

01:10:03.720 --> 01:10:06.380
That was a while back. He wasn't young.

01:10:06.740 --> 01:10:07.600
No, he was 75.

01:10:08.360 --> 01:10:08.800
75.

01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:10.240
Yeah,

01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:11.520
he'd be in his 80s by now.

01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:15.020
Not anywhere near William Shatner,

01:10:15.260 --> 01:10:15.660
but you know.

01:10:16.780 --> 01:10:19.360
Speaking of which, have you heard him do Crazy Train?

01:10:20.100 --> 01:10:21.580
He did his metal thing.

01:10:23.100 --> 01:10:26.240
That's not unprecedented.

01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:30.340
some stuff like this years ago.

01:10:30.600 --> 01:10:30.780
Oh, yeah.

01:10:31.180 --> 01:10:31.700
Lucy,

01:10:31.900 --> 01:10:33.720
this guy with diamonds, he did. Yeah, oh,

01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:34.000
yeah.

01:10:34.160 --> 01:10:36.020
And he speaks just exactly.

01:10:36.460 --> 01:10:39.300
It's more like metal-spoken word.

01:10:39.560 --> 01:10:44.260
Yeah, there's nobody that I would rather listen to butcher songs than William Shazner. Oh, yeah,

01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:45.080
absolutely.

01:10:45.660 --> 01:10:47.540
He's a national treasure at this point.

01:10:47.700 --> 01:10:48.980
Cory Feldman is 90.

01:10:49.380 --> 01:10:49.900
95.

01:10:50.360 --> 01:10:50.900
He's 95.

01:10:51.940 --> 01:10:54.720
It's unbelievable that he's 95.

01:10:55.100 --> 01:10:56.780
And just to add to this,

01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.480
He is going on a tour where they're showing Wrath of Khan.

01:11:02.320 --> 01:11:03.340
And he's like there,

01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:04.540
like physically,

01:11:04.900 --> 01:11:06.620
like they're going to like talk to him.

01:11:07.580 --> 01:11:15.920
And I can't. It kills me that I cannot be there. I actually I've seen this before where he where they like interview him.

01:11:16.440 --> 01:11:17.600
And then they went to one before.

01:11:17.860 --> 01:11:22.600
You mean you just saw like, yeah, I went to this before where like they they had Wrath of Khan,

01:11:22.780 --> 01:11:24.420
like they show Wrath of Khan in the theater.

01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:56.980
him come out and like they talk with him and he talks about like you know how the making of the movie and all that he's doing it again oh that's awesome and and so he's going on i don't know how big of a tour this is but he's definitely playing in baltimore and i can't be there because i'm going to be elsewhere at the time so it's a bummer but like my buddy bill is going to be there and he's going to see it but shatner is like dolly parton to me he's like somebody who has so played a role in real life of like who

01:11:56.980 --> 01:12:02.560
he is or might be that I don't even care anymore. Like, I don't care how put together it is.

01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:03.460
I love him.

01:12:03.620 --> 01:12:04.120
You know what I mean?

01:12:04.360 --> 01:12:06.040
Yeah, you can't help but love him.

01:12:06.200 --> 01:12:07.640
Do you remember when he saved his career?

01:12:08.020 --> 01:12:09.780
What actual moment it was?

01:12:10.040 --> 01:12:11.260
Was it the SNL thing?

01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:12.860
He said, move out of your parents'

01:12:13.100 --> 01:12:13.280
basement.

01:12:14.260 --> 01:12:15.860
Get a life.

01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:20.060
He just started yelling. He literally reinvented himself right then and there.

01:12:20.400 --> 01:12:21.980
That whole episode was great.

01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:26.920
I remember there's one sketch in there where he's getting ready to go out to eat with his wife.

01:12:26.980 --> 01:12:30.540
And he just spends the next like three minutes looking in the mirror just going,

01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:31.720
yeah,

01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:38.820
I still got it. You know what I mean? Like maybe pumping his muscles like that bad.

01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:42.240
95.

01:12:42.900 --> 01:12:43.240
That's insane.

01:12:43.980 --> 01:12:47.900
So he's playing the lyric on January 31st in Baltimore.

01:12:50.440 --> 01:12:50.880
Oh,

01:12:51.060 --> 01:12:52.140
if I can get this,

01:12:52.360 --> 01:12:53.400
I am totally going.

01:12:54.100 --> 01:12:55.200
That's the one I can't do.

01:12:55.460 --> 01:12:56.400
And yeah.

01:12:56.980 --> 01:12:59.260
Yeah, he's going to be the Lyric, and it's like,

01:12:59.620 --> 01:13:01.480
yeah, they're doing Rathacon,

01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:08.160
and they're doing like a little interview session with him. Oh, it's for that. It's not a tour. It's not like a music tour. Holy crap,

01:13:08.320 --> 01:13:13.280
but it includes a photo and autographed poster with him. I am buying this right freaking now.

01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:14.160
Oh,

01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:14.780
George,

01:13:15.540 --> 01:13:16.120
you're killing me.

01:13:16.300 --> 01:13:16.900
Oh, wait.

01:13:17.210 --> 01:13:17.660
This is the,

01:13:17.980 --> 01:13:19.660
sorry, you have to click here to get the,

01:13:19.820 --> 01:13:22.020
how many thousands of dollars is it?

01:13:22.220 --> 01:13:22.500
Come on.

01:13:23.180 --> 01:13:24.840
I don't care. I don't even care.

01:13:25.260 --> 01:13:28.500
I don't know that our fans are really going to care about this right now.

01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:30.240
I know.

01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:33.340
Our whole new wave thing just got derailed.

01:13:34.200 --> 01:13:34.680
Sorry.

01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:40.220
You can't expect me to do that when there might be some shat.

01:13:40.460 --> 01:13:41.380
Yeah, that's right.

01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:42.720
Wait a minute.

01:13:43.100 --> 01:13:43.560
Hold on.

01:13:43.740 --> 01:13:44.600
Wait a minute.

01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:45.260
Hold on.

01:13:46.740 --> 01:13:47.960
You mean Shatner,

01:13:48.160 --> 01:13:48.360
right?

01:13:48.740 --> 01:13:50.560
Oh, yeah, I guess. Not Shat.

01:13:52.280 --> 01:13:52.760
Orchestra,

01:13:53.080 --> 01:13:53.460
Roji,

01:13:53.780 --> 01:13:54.200
Seat 112.

01:13:55.240 --> 01:13:57.600
What are you going to tell us that you have a chocolate squirrel?

01:13:58.260 --> 01:14:03.580
So the... It looks like the... Oh.

01:14:04.420 --> 01:14:07.780
So I'd like to apologize to the five people that are listening to this.

01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:10.480
Sorry, I am derailed. You don't even know.

01:14:10.900 --> 01:14:15.560
This is going to get cut out anyway. No, it's not. Don't worry about it. The Shat Love must endure.

01:14:19.040 --> 01:14:19.480
Oh,

01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:19.960
Jesus.

01:14:20.260 --> 01:14:20.600
Okay,

01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:20.940
well.

01:14:22.420 --> 01:14:25.080
The only thing that would make that show even more perfect,

01:14:25.180 --> 01:14:28.840
than it could be, is if you're sitting and waiting for everything to start,

01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:32.200
and it's got the fight song in the back playing on the PA.

01:14:34.940 --> 01:14:36.260
As you're waiting for everything. Oh,

01:14:36.440 --> 01:14:37.100
the Gorn.

01:14:37.560 --> 01:14:38.000
Well,

01:14:38.300 --> 01:14:40.040
he also fought Spock.

01:14:40.280 --> 01:14:41.480
Oh, well, that's true.

01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:43.460
Spock almost killed him in that. Yeah.

01:14:44.280 --> 01:14:45.320
Okay, so this is interesting.

01:14:45.880 --> 01:14:49.820
You have to buy a separate ticket for the photo op.

01:14:50.360 --> 01:14:52.900
The photo op costs more than the ticket.

01:14:53.210 --> 01:14:53.960
You have to buy both.

01:14:54.180 --> 01:14:55.140
That's the VIP set.

01:14:56.580 --> 01:14:59.080
It's $97 for the ticket,

01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:03.200
$129 to get your picture taken with him.

01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:06.280
Well, can you just get your picture taken with him and go home?

01:15:06.620 --> 01:15:07.760
That's a good question.

01:15:08.400 --> 01:15:10.820
I've seen Brath of Khan like 97 times.

01:15:11.200 --> 01:15:11.840
Oh, but dude,

01:15:12.020 --> 01:15:13.060
that's like the best one.

01:15:13.580 --> 01:15:17.520
The autographed poster is sold out, but I could still get,

01:15:17.700 --> 01:15:20.600
I don't, still a picture?

01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:22.740
Come on. How could I not?

01:15:23.440 --> 01:15:24.860
I'm fucking buying it. I don't care.

01:15:25.280 --> 01:15:29.320
And if for some reason I can't go, I'm going to take my money.

01:15:31.460 --> 01:15:31.900
Yeah,

01:15:32.120 --> 01:15:33.620
I'm doing this right now on air.

01:15:34.620 --> 01:15:35.820
During our episode.

01:15:36.300 --> 01:15:36.920
During our episode.

01:15:37.180 --> 01:15:40.200
It's all staying in. I don't care. For all of you out there still listening.

01:15:40.980 --> 01:15:42.220
Sorry, you can't tell me.

01:15:42.460 --> 01:15:43.040
Don't worry about it.

01:15:43.380 --> 01:15:44.280
They've tuned out.

01:15:44.440 --> 01:15:45.840
They're probably drinking a beer.

01:15:46.030 --> 01:15:48.520
Fast forwarding 47 minutes from now. Okay,

01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:52.940
we don't need to hear this. We didn't even finish George's segment. I know, I know.

01:15:54.980 --> 01:15:57.260
I've completely derailed the whole thing.

01:15:58.520 --> 01:15:58.600
Yep.

01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:01.160
Oh, let's not put it on that card.

01:16:01.320 --> 01:16:03.140
I shouldn't have mentioned it, but honestly,

01:16:03.410 --> 01:16:04.400
like Shatner,

01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:04.820
dude.

01:16:05.360 --> 01:16:07.020
Shatner, you can't. Well, I mean, I brought up the,

01:16:07.180 --> 01:16:09.960
or I don't know, maybe.

01:16:10.180 --> 01:16:11.940
I expanded on it anyway.

01:16:13.960 --> 01:16:16.480
Rathacon is the best Star Trek film ever.

01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:22.020
Yeah, I saw that in the theater when it came out, and it actually kind of terrified me because I was a young lad.

01:16:22.400 --> 01:16:24.640
Oh, well, the little earwig thing.

01:16:24.980 --> 01:16:25.200
Yeah,

01:16:25.390 --> 01:16:28.300
that and like the whole like hanging bodies on the space station.

01:16:28.570 --> 01:16:29.880
And I was like, yeah.

01:16:30.380 --> 01:16:32.880
And do you want to know why it's the best film?

01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:38.520
It's the same reason why Empire because Ricardo Montalban is a badass and he kicks ass.

01:16:38.710 --> 01:16:40.400
And when the bad guys do well,

01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.000
those are the best films.

01:16:42.320 --> 01:16:42.820
I'm sorry.

01:16:43.590 --> 01:16:45.300
So glad you're still talking about William Shatner.

01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:47.640
Yeah,

01:16:47.820 --> 01:16:52.500
Jay just rejoined us here. Well, for those who can't see, I was my dinner.

01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.780
My wife nicely brought me my dinner and then I had to.

01:16:55.460 --> 01:16:59.160
Yeah, what you can see is Jay went to the dumps. He went to the recycling center.

01:16:59.320 --> 01:17:01.000
He went to the store. By that time,

01:17:01.160 --> 01:17:02.140
George finally bought his ticket.

01:17:02.560 --> 01:17:04.100
I'm working on it. I'm just curious.

01:17:05.080 --> 01:17:05.980
I mean,

01:17:06.180 --> 01:17:08.760
I love that guy. So I'm just so glad you were still talking. It's a Sunday.

01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:09.240
Okay.

01:17:09.540 --> 01:17:11.540
We're waiting for him to get his damn tickets.

01:17:11.780 --> 01:17:12.060
I know.

01:17:12.960 --> 01:17:17.980
Ricardo Montalban was like, he couldn't have played that role any better.

01:17:19.100 --> 01:17:19.820
He's conned.

01:17:20.040 --> 01:17:20.820
Let me ask you this.

01:17:20.980 --> 01:17:21.260
He is.

01:17:21.580 --> 01:17:22.540
He's conned. I did.

01:17:22.700 --> 01:17:23.740
Did we all see that in the theater?

01:17:24.100 --> 01:17:24.360
Yes.

01:17:24.720 --> 01:17:24.800
Yeah.

01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:25.220
Of course.

01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:25.860
Yeah.

01:17:26.140 --> 01:17:26.540
And dude,

01:17:26.740 --> 01:17:26.900
like,

01:17:27.320 --> 01:17:28.040
what a great film.

01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:29.540
Yeah. It was great.

01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:33.780
And it was because it was like, was it, was it the first one? The first film? Second.

01:17:34.120 --> 01:17:34.460
No, no.

01:17:34.620 --> 01:17:36.300
Second film. Second. Star Trek II.

01:17:36.620 --> 01:17:38.340
Star Trek, the movie. The Wrath of Khan.

01:17:38.580 --> 01:17:39.400
Yeah. Star Trek, the movie.

01:17:40.020 --> 01:17:40.080
Yeah.

01:17:40.520 --> 01:17:40.940
I'm going,

01:17:41.180 --> 01:17:41.340
baby.

01:17:42.780 --> 01:17:43.180
Yeah,

01:17:43.540 --> 01:17:44.000
he's in.

01:17:44.220 --> 01:17:44.840
He's in.

01:17:45.040 --> 01:17:47.280
All right, man. Little Star Trek tidbit here.

01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:48.040
Take a second.

01:17:48.420 --> 01:17:50.720
Is the fourth one when they were in San Francisco?

01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:51.760
Yes. Oh, boy.

01:17:52.020 --> 01:17:52.120
Yeah.

01:17:52.280 --> 01:17:52.500
Yes.

01:17:52.700 --> 01:17:54.280
That's my mom's favorite one. Yes.

01:17:55.000 --> 01:17:55.420
Here's the thing.

01:17:55.660 --> 01:17:57.700
That scene they're filming in the water,

01:17:58.360 --> 01:17:59.840
that was filmed at my high school pool.

01:18:00.120 --> 01:18:00.620
Oh, wow.

01:18:00.900 --> 01:18:01.080
Really?

01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:05.800
Because you could go down along the side of the pool underneath ground,

01:18:06.460 --> 01:18:09.220
and they had windows to watch the swimmers as they were swimming by.

01:18:09.860 --> 01:18:12.400
And that's why they used my high school for that.

01:18:12.620 --> 01:18:15.480
Okay, can I do a Star Trek trivia question?

01:18:15.760 --> 01:18:20.360
Okay, but first I have to give my greatest line, because you're all like talking about, you know,

01:18:20.540 --> 01:18:24.960
the earworms and the other

01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:26.280
things, but the greatest thing,

01:18:27.100 --> 01:18:28.460
not even the con.

01:18:29.280 --> 01:18:29.800
No,

01:18:30.390 --> 01:18:35.340
the greatest line in this movie and all movies ever is.

01:18:36.460 --> 01:18:37.680
Well, actually, there's two.

01:18:38.550 --> 01:18:41.780
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one.

01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:45.020
Which is just the greatest philosophy.

01:18:45.390 --> 01:18:45.520
Okay.

01:18:46.300 --> 01:18:47.540
Vulcan philosophy. Go figure.

01:18:48.320 --> 01:18:52.100
But then the one that brings me to tears every single time.

01:18:55.000 --> 01:18:55.360
Even now?

01:19:00.440 --> 01:19:03.720
I am and always will be your friend.

01:19:05.200 --> 01:19:05.640
Okay.

01:19:06.310 --> 01:19:09.320
So I'm going to counter that with just one other line that might,

01:19:09.500 --> 01:19:11.620
for me, it tops it. It's two words.

01:19:12.120 --> 01:19:12.860
I know.

01:19:15.860 --> 01:19:16.860
Shut up, Han Solo.

01:19:17.060 --> 01:19:20.700
Let's be honest. We all were like, he's going to die.

01:19:20.900 --> 01:19:24.940
Like a poor marksman, you keep missing the time.

01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:25.180
Target.

01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:28.980
You've got Genesis Con,

01:19:29.260 --> 01:19:30.160
but you don't have me.

01:19:30.760 --> 01:19:34.580
You're going to have to come down here. You're going to have to come down here.

01:19:35.000 --> 01:19:35.440
Literally,

01:19:36.310 --> 01:19:38.720
two words made him an absolute,

01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:40.360
that character, an absolute icon.

01:19:41.300 --> 01:19:42.880
All right, trivia question though.

01:19:43.100 --> 01:19:44.200
It's not that hard,

01:19:44.620 --> 01:19:47.060
but I just love it. I just think it's the greatest.

01:19:47.420 --> 01:19:48.920
What does the T in James T.

01:19:49.080 --> 01:19:49.560
Kirk stand for?

01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:50.760
Tiberius. Come on.

01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:52.660
That's such a good name.

01:19:53.140 --> 01:19:53.580
Tiberius.

01:19:57.040 --> 01:19:59.900
I asked my wife one time, do you know what the T stands for? And she said,

01:20:00.060 --> 01:20:01.680
what? And I said, Tiberius.

01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:05.140
And then she just walked out of the room.

01:20:08.380 --> 01:20:08.780
Meanwhile,

01:20:09.180 --> 01:20:10.320
back at the podcast.

01:20:12.100 --> 01:20:14.840
The other thing I was going to mention,

01:20:15.080 --> 01:20:16.300
and they have been mentioned,

01:20:16.580 --> 01:20:21.600
but the band The Arrhythmics.

01:20:22.200 --> 01:20:22.980
There you go.

01:20:25.020 --> 01:20:25.880
But I could be wrong.

01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:27.880
Sweet dreams are made of this.

01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.060
That is like my childhood in that song.

01:20:32.420 --> 01:20:35.040
That is like every school bus ride I ever took as a child.

01:20:36.300 --> 01:20:42.960
And they were so like art rock that I think they even for you and me as these like,

01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:43.820
you know,

01:20:44.200 --> 01:20:46.020
trying to live up to the macho metal thing.

01:20:46.280 --> 01:20:48.140
I think they transcended that. They were one of the things.

01:20:48.360 --> 01:20:51.740
I loved this regardless. And that was sort of the point why I chose it.

01:20:51.980 --> 01:20:54.260
It's those spooky violins in that track,

01:20:54.460 --> 01:20:54.560
too.

01:20:55.500 --> 01:20:56.620
Here Comes the Rain Again.

01:20:59.460 --> 01:21:00.520
Did she ever go back?

01:21:01.160 --> 01:21:03.060
Did they split on good terms?

01:21:03.280 --> 01:21:03.900
Were they married?

01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:07.660
You know, I don't think so. I don't think so.

01:21:08.200 --> 01:21:13.800
And I think they split on good terms. I think they went back and did something together again.

01:21:14.030 --> 01:21:15.700
And her voice is just undeniable.

01:21:16.380 --> 01:21:17.820
Annie Lennox is amazing.

01:21:18.040 --> 01:21:20.860
I didn't see her with Eurythmics, but I saw her solo.

01:21:21.500 --> 01:21:23.340
Oh, I'm sure she was great.

01:21:23.700 --> 01:21:24.960
That No More I Love You

01:21:24.980 --> 01:21:29.320
And that one she did at the end of the Lord of the Rings, God,

01:21:29.740 --> 01:21:30.740
End of the West, I think it was called.

01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:32.400
So beautiful.

01:21:32.860 --> 01:21:32.940
Nice.

01:21:33.160 --> 01:21:38.240
They are still close friends and maintain a strong bond per the Google machine.

01:21:39.720 --> 01:21:42.600
What about him? Did he go on to like become a producer or something?

01:21:43.060 --> 01:21:44.040
Yeah, he was a producer.

01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:44.840
Absolutely.

01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:48.200
Maybe he was even a producer back then. Dave,

01:21:48.380 --> 01:21:48.980
what's his name,

01:21:49.140 --> 01:21:49.200
Dave?

01:21:49.400 --> 01:21:49.960
David Stewart.

01:21:50.440 --> 01:21:51.180
Dave Stewart.

01:21:51.660 --> 01:21:52.080
A.

01:21:52.500 --> 01:21:54.320
Stewart, I believe. Dave Stewart.

01:21:54.980 --> 01:21:56.880
David Allen Stewart.

01:21:57.600 --> 01:21:59.480
Was he the one that worked with Tom Petty?

01:22:01.220 --> 01:22:03.280
There's two guys that believe in the same name,

01:22:03.460 --> 01:22:03.720
isn't there?

01:22:04.580 --> 01:22:05.800
There is another one.

01:22:06.040 --> 01:22:07.980
I've always felt there was a second Dave Stewart.

01:22:09.340 --> 01:22:09.880
But I could be wrong.

01:22:12.200 --> 01:22:17.760
Because, you know, one of those guys worked with Tom Petty when he did Don't Come Around Here No More.

01:22:19.820 --> 01:22:20.320
I'll get you.

01:22:20.460 --> 01:22:20.840
Oh,

01:22:21.160 --> 01:22:22.580
yeah, that sounded like something he would have done,

01:22:22.760 --> 01:22:22.860
too.

01:22:24.120 --> 01:22:24.880
Now that you mentioned it.

01:22:25.580 --> 01:22:28.200
I'll do a little discography check here. Just real quick.

01:22:28.380 --> 01:22:31.360
Yes, it was him that collaborated on Don't Come Around Here No More.

01:22:31.580 --> 01:22:31.900
Yeah,

01:22:32.290 --> 01:22:37.580
they invited him in, and it was like he was kind of, like the rest of the band was like, what's going on here?

01:22:38.280 --> 01:22:38.480
And,

01:22:38.860 --> 01:22:39.160
you know,

01:22:39.320 --> 01:22:42.700
that video and everything was very weird,

01:22:43.100 --> 01:22:45.940
and at the time,

01:22:46.190 --> 01:22:48.440
like Tom Petty was kind of into that thing,

01:22:48.700 --> 01:22:50.040
and like he pulled him in,

01:22:50.320 --> 01:22:51.840
and they did that song.

01:22:52.980 --> 01:22:53.340
And,

01:22:54.640 --> 01:22:54.780
you know,

01:22:55.120 --> 01:22:59.180
it was very keyboard-y and like what you'd expect from Dave Stewart.

01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:00.840
He co-wrote it,

01:23:01.000 --> 01:23:03.320
according to what I'm looking at. Which, by the way,

01:23:03.540 --> 01:23:05.180
that is such a great song.

01:23:05.540 --> 01:23:07.220
That song is so haunting.

01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:08.080
Yeah.

01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:08.780
Yeah.

01:23:09.660 --> 01:23:10.540
That's a really,

01:23:10.740 --> 01:23:11.840
really good Tom Petty song.

01:23:12.480 --> 01:23:15.880
He worked with Stevie Nicks. He worked with Bob Dylan, Brian Ferry, Josh Stone,

01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:16.520
No Doubt.

01:23:16.780 --> 01:23:17.940
So, yeah, he got around.

01:23:18.440 --> 01:23:22.160
I'm just going to keep going further down the rabbit hole away from where we're supposed to be.

01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:22.660
Well,

01:23:22.820 --> 01:23:24.000
we're talking about the rhythms right now.

01:23:25.500 --> 01:23:30.660
But I was going on a deep dive of Dinosaur Jr.

01:23:30.890 --> 01:23:31.400
the other day.

01:23:33.160 --> 01:23:36.400
And I was like, wow, this guy really sings like Tom Petty.

01:23:37.480 --> 01:23:42.560
He's got that nasally kind of Tom Petty thing going on.

01:23:42.980 --> 01:23:44.040
I haven't listened to them in years.

01:23:44.660 --> 01:23:45.160
Yeah, me neither.

01:23:45.410 --> 01:23:47.640
And that's why I was like, oh, you know, look at all these albums.

01:23:47.870 --> 01:23:49.140
I need to go back and check this out.

01:23:49.340 --> 01:23:52.220
Because, you know, I liked that back in the day.

01:23:52.300 --> 01:23:54.580
And it's cool,

01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:58.340
but it also has a limit so far anyway.

01:23:59.120 --> 01:24:00.000
Like a lot of this stuff,

01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:01.020
unfortunately. Yeah.

01:24:01.410 --> 01:24:04.880
But I really was... That was a good call-out, Eurythmics. That's a good one, too.

01:24:05.140 --> 01:24:05.580
Absolutely.

01:24:05.770 --> 01:24:05.880
Yeah.

01:24:06.360 --> 01:24:10.480
And kind of like, almost like Elvis Costello said, like a he part of the genre.

01:24:10.820 --> 01:24:12.180
Very visible on MTV.

01:24:12.980 --> 01:24:14.080
Couple of big hits.

01:24:14.860 --> 01:24:22.200
Yeah, but look how much they changed. How they proved that you didn't have to have synthesizers with Missionary Man and Would I Lie to You?

01:24:22.300 --> 01:24:24.980
which are just basically pop rock songs.

01:24:25.240 --> 01:24:26.220
Almost Motown songs,

01:24:26.400 --> 01:24:26.540
really.

01:24:26.700 --> 01:24:28.580
What I like is a Motown song.

01:24:28.780 --> 01:24:29.200
Yeah,

01:24:29.380 --> 01:24:31.580
and so just with heavy guitars,

01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:32.380
that's the only difference.

01:24:32.780 --> 01:24:33.600
Yeah. Yeah,

01:24:33.850 --> 01:24:35.820
so now the rest of the album is still synth,

01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:36.740
do wavy,

01:24:36.900 --> 01:24:38.920
but anyway, cool.

01:24:39.440 --> 01:24:39.980
All right.

01:24:40.460 --> 01:24:44.840
I'm going to write this. We can't do any more Spock and Khan and all this shit.

01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:46.600
Why not?

01:24:46.940 --> 01:24:48.720
I'm still a Star Wars guy first.

01:24:49.340 --> 01:24:50.760
Oh, fair enough. Well, I mean,

01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:51.200
yes.

01:24:52.080 --> 01:24:53.300
I'd rather go see.

01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:54.660
I'm by side.

01:24:55.180 --> 01:24:55.600
I do both.

01:24:57.180 --> 01:24:57.580
Oh,

01:24:57.800 --> 01:24:57.880
no.

01:24:58.040 --> 01:24:59.280
The first three films,

01:24:59.520 --> 01:25:00.900
George Lucas, we would want to see.

01:25:01.720 --> 01:25:01.780
Yeah.

01:25:01.980 --> 01:25:02.980
Well, I mean, in person,

01:25:03.320 --> 01:25:03.620
the person.

01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:08.960
If I had to choose between what George is about to do and going to have dinner with George Lucas,

01:25:09.120 --> 01:25:11.060
I'd go see Shatner talk about Rathcuk. Oh,

01:25:11.220 --> 01:25:11.820
damn right. Yeah.

01:25:13.040 --> 01:25:13.440
Yeah,

01:25:14.160 --> 01:25:14.540
that's true.

01:25:14.840 --> 01:25:15.380
That is true.

01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:16.900
CR,

01:25:17.320 --> 01:25:18.240
where are you going to go next?

01:25:18.940 --> 01:25:19.120
Well,

01:25:19.800 --> 01:25:22.060
because there is such a

01:25:22.180 --> 01:25:25.820
in the music of this type in my collection,

01:25:26.120 --> 01:25:32.580
I'm just going to kind of rattle off a few more bands that I have like a few songs,

01:25:32.900 --> 01:25:35.640
but not a whole lot of stuff.

01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:37.780
Now, I will say this next band,

01:25:38.290 --> 01:25:40.140
I have quite a bit.

01:25:41.190 --> 01:25:45.620
And I just went to see them recently in concert.

01:25:46.490 --> 01:25:47.580
And that's Kraftwerk.

01:25:48.280 --> 01:25:52.020
Yes. I know that they're kind of a little bit before all this.

01:25:52.100 --> 01:25:52.820
But like,

01:25:54.030 --> 01:25:54.440
you know,

01:25:54.820 --> 01:26:00.560
they kind of laid some of the groundwork as an electronic kraut rock style band.

01:26:01.800 --> 01:26:05.240
But Kraftwerk was a band that I actually did like.

01:26:06.000 --> 01:26:08.100
They were kind of different and they,

01:26:08.400 --> 01:26:08.640
you know,

01:26:09.780 --> 01:26:14.420
were a little quirky and they kind of fit into this mold of the,

01:26:15.340 --> 01:26:15.440
of,

01:26:15.700 --> 01:26:17.000
you know, this new wave business.

01:26:18.380 --> 01:26:20.000
But the rest of these bands,

01:26:20.400 --> 01:26:21.960
it's like I literally have,

01:26:22.080 --> 01:26:52.060
just singles or like I bought a 45 other than maybe Joe Jackson which actually I got the Tucker soundtrack which is not it's like big band so it's not even like it's a new wave thing so I don't I almost don't even count that Blondie some 45s of like different songs that Blondie did the knack the fix you know saved by zero and a few

01:26:52.100 --> 01:26:53.960
of the singles that came off of that.

01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:56.480
I did like Men at Work.

01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:02.620
And I don't know if we would include Jan Hammer in all this,

01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:07.700
but he was kind of like more of an electronic guy.

01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:08.880
He's a fusion guy,

01:27:09.080 --> 01:27:09.180
too.

01:27:09.400 --> 01:27:09.780
Yeah.

01:27:10.500 --> 01:27:13.180
I don't know that I'd put him in this category,

01:27:13.740 --> 01:27:15.660
but I don't know.

01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:17.540
He's more of a soundscape,

01:27:18.050 --> 01:27:20.340
almost original soundtrack guy,

01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:20.660
too,

01:27:21.010 --> 01:27:21.620
at that point.

01:27:21.700 --> 01:27:21.760
Exactly.

01:27:22.260 --> 01:27:24.800
And I mean, he did all the Miami Vice soundtrack stuff.

01:27:25.200 --> 01:27:26.020
And so it's like,

01:27:26.440 --> 01:27:28.560
I don't know if you'd call that new wave or not,

01:27:28.740 --> 01:27:32.500
but now I don't know. He was in Maha Vishnu and Jeff Beck, you know?

01:27:32.660 --> 01:27:33.300
Right. Exactly.

01:27:33.480 --> 01:27:36.600
It's like, but he reinvented himself with an electronic sound.

01:27:36.860 --> 01:27:40.020
So it's still a good pull though, because come on,

01:27:40.480 --> 01:27:44.840
everybody knew the Miami Vice soundtrack.

01:27:45.540 --> 01:27:45.600
Yeah.

01:27:46.010 --> 01:27:46.520
We all did.

01:27:47.320 --> 01:27:47.460
Right.

01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:48.900
And I kind of, it like,

01:27:49.060 --> 01:27:51.560
it, it kind of fits into that era.

01:27:51.720 --> 01:27:51.720
Yeah.

01:27:52.480 --> 01:27:52.560
Yeah.

01:27:53.020 --> 01:27:55.520
But I don't know that you'd call it New Wave.

01:27:56.200 --> 01:27:57.680
But anyway,

01:27:58.620 --> 01:28:00.020
that's about all I've got, really.

01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:01.140
All right.

01:28:01.660 --> 01:28:02.900
I don't have much to add either,

01:28:03.160 --> 01:28:06.340
but I'll call out Gary Newman's Cars was a really cool song. Oh,

01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:06.580
yeah.

01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:07.140
Yeah.

01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:12.060
And because I'm kind of like going through the list here myself,

01:28:12.420 --> 01:28:14.740
I actually think the Cure is a pretty cool band.

01:28:15.420 --> 01:28:20.620
There's a few things that they've done. They had a live record that I really liked that somebody gave me once live in Paris. I think it was.

01:28:21.700 --> 01:28:24.160
B-52s did some really cool stuff.

01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:29.800
And these are just all, in my face, it's not as red as it looks, I promise you, this is the light.

01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.280
For those of you that can't see.

01:28:32.580 --> 01:28:32.720
Yeah,

01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:34.040
I'm B-Red right now.

01:28:34.660 --> 01:28:39.960
And I'm going to call it a really weird one. And this is one of those things where it was sort of like,

01:28:43.070 --> 01:28:44.020
you know, again,

01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:51.280
I'm calling back to this too much, but where I didn't embrace it because of machismo or whatever it was. But Cindy Lauper was great, dude. You're like, you know. Yeah.

01:28:52.660 --> 01:28:53.940
"Girls Just Want to Have Fun"

01:28:54.470 --> 01:28:57.940
and "Time After Time." Those are two of the great pop songs of the 80s.

01:28:58.520 --> 01:28:59.420
Like really great.

01:28:59.580 --> 01:29:00.000
I mean,

01:29:00.450 --> 01:29:02.040
"Time After Time" is kind of a tearjerker.

01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:02.860
And then,

01:29:03.380 --> 01:29:03.620
and I,

01:29:03.820 --> 01:29:09.860
it's been a few years now, but it was like maybe five years ago, I heard "Girls Just Want to Have Fun" on the radio.

01:29:10.020 --> 01:29:12.200
And I was like, this is a perfectly written song.

01:29:12.440 --> 01:29:14.700
And I don't even know if she wrote it, but it was just like it,

01:29:15.180 --> 01:29:16.680
and it's just fun and joyful.

01:29:17.100 --> 01:29:20.640
And it, it's perfectly shaped and sized.

01:29:20.830 --> 01:29:21.340
You know what I mean?

01:29:21.720 --> 01:29:26.700
And so a lot of cool stuff like that came out of this. And I'm not going to add a bunch of other bands either,

01:29:26.900 --> 01:29:28.140
but you know,

01:29:28.730 --> 01:29:30.840
you can, you can kind of write the eighties off.

01:29:31.160 --> 01:29:31.620
And it was this,

01:29:32.620 --> 01:29:37.440
well, it was the me generation thing. And there was a lot of plastic stuff there, but it is cool.

01:29:37.740 --> 01:29:41.120
How much of this stuff had a real soul to it more.

01:29:41.300 --> 01:29:41.460
And, and,

01:29:41.680 --> 01:29:42.340
and this,

01:29:42.540 --> 01:29:43.420
especially with the survivors,

01:29:43.720 --> 01:29:45.540
the people are still around doing stuff and everything.

01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:51.240
And I would call them on Cindy Lauper who's still performing to this day. I think she has had some diseases or something,

01:29:51.420 --> 01:29:51.520
but.

01:29:53.380 --> 01:29:56.300
And there was a lot of cool guitar driven stuff too. As mentioned,

01:29:56.460 --> 01:29:56.920
like the song,

01:29:57.460 --> 01:29:57.900
Big Country,

01:29:58.160 --> 01:30:00.200
like I mentioned that before and things like that.

01:30:01.080 --> 01:30:04.820
There was a lot of cool stuff that definitely came on the radio and I didn't turn it off.

01:30:06.140 --> 01:30:08.660
But I'm not going to throw the other big names out either.

01:30:09.420 --> 01:30:14.340
This is almost too large a conversation and it's been very educational so far.

01:30:16.120 --> 01:30:16.520
Cool.

01:30:18.480 --> 01:30:18.960
All right.

01:30:19.120 --> 01:30:20.980
I'm going to rattle off like three this time.

01:30:21.580 --> 01:30:51.540
just because if you guys don't have as much then i'll try to work through mine a little faster so uh one band i always kind of liked and yeah i'm not gonna lie the single from a movie may have sold me i know getting into other stuff from them and now i might i picked the single out is probably the one i'll get beat up for the most because i'm not going with one of their more new wavy albums but it's simple minds is a band that i always kind of liked

01:30:51.620 --> 01:31:21.540
which was more their kind of arena rock sound at that point is the one i went with and i know any like again bigger simple minds fans than me would be annoyed that i didn't pick like new gold dream 81 82 83 84 that album because it's got you know promise you a miracle in it but i went with this one just because i like the live and kicking i don't care i liked it and i know he was accused of trying to sound like bono at this point yeah you know okay whatever you know

01:31:27.220 --> 01:31:30.780
But I always thought I had cool songs like Sanctify Yourself,

01:31:30.940 --> 01:31:32.420
all the things she said, ghost dancing.

01:31:33.280 --> 01:31:34.220
And again,

01:31:34.420 --> 01:31:36.760
MTV used to show live concerts,

01:31:37.160 --> 01:31:38.700
and I saw their live show from Paris,

01:31:39.200 --> 01:31:42.320
and all these songs were on there. I was like, wow, this is actually a really cool band.

01:31:42.480 --> 01:31:50.280
But it all started because of the single from Breakfast Club with Don't You Forget About Me, which, by the way, they were like the third or fourth band that got offered that song.

01:31:50.340 --> 01:31:51.620
It was written for Billy Idol,

01:31:51.980 --> 01:31:53.300
and he turned it down. Is that right?

01:31:54.160 --> 01:31:54.560
I mean,

01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:57.580
just listen to it. You can hear Billy Idol singing that song. I can hear it, yeah.

01:31:58.700 --> 01:32:07.000
I don't want to hear it any other way than the way it is, but I can hear him doing it. And the only reason Simple Minds rejected it, and the only reason they did it is because of Chrissy Hine,

01:32:07.620 --> 01:32:14.380
because she was married to, what's his name, Jim Kerr? Oh, yeah, that's right. The main guy is Simple Minds. Jim Kerr was married to Chrissy Hine. She's like,

01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:17.160
you're missing the boat on this. This is going to be a huge hit.

01:32:17.700 --> 01:32:18.020
And he's like,

01:32:18.220 --> 01:32:19.440
looking back now, she was right.

01:32:20.400 --> 01:32:23.740
But it so doesn't gel with the rest of their catalog.

01:32:25.300 --> 01:32:27.120
No, because it was written by somebody else.

01:32:27.280 --> 01:32:27.440
Yeah,

01:32:27.620 --> 01:32:28.560
it wasn't even written by them.

01:32:28.820 --> 01:32:28.980
So,

01:32:29.540 --> 01:32:29.720
agreed.

01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:32.420
Real quick, we've mentioned The Fix a couple times.

01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:33.180
I love The Fix.

01:32:33.380 --> 01:32:33.560
Yeah.

01:32:33.640 --> 01:32:34.000
I'm a fan.

01:32:34.570 --> 01:32:35.840
I don't have a lot from them,

01:32:36.510 --> 01:32:37.120
but I love them.

01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:43.040
And the album Walkabout was the one that I liked the most because of one song, Built for the Future.

01:32:43.270 --> 01:32:44.320
I absolutely love that song.

01:32:45.160 --> 01:32:48.960
And it just seemed to me like if they just had turned the guitars up a little more on that,

01:32:49.100 --> 01:32:51.060
I was like, this is just a good rock song.

01:32:51.650 --> 01:32:57.340
And got rid of that 80s, that gated sound from the 80s, which is just so dreaded now when I hear it.

01:32:57.660 --> 01:33:00.200
Because I'm like, man, we live with that parachute pants.

01:33:01.780 --> 01:33:05.040
I'm glad I never got parachute pants. I wanted them so bad.

01:33:05.390 --> 01:33:06.240
I had stupid pants.

01:33:06.400 --> 01:33:06.860
I mean,

01:33:07.100 --> 01:33:07.960
I'd never got them.

01:33:08.300 --> 01:33:11.260
And then one day you're like, I'm keeping the Hawaiian shirts,

01:33:11.420 --> 01:33:12.400
but I ain't keeping these pants.

01:33:12.730 --> 01:33:18.940
So yeah, I was a Fix fan and they had so many songs that when I went back and looked, I was like,

01:33:19.080 --> 01:33:19.560
Holy smokes.

01:33:20.820 --> 01:33:21.360
All these songs,

01:33:21.600 --> 01:33:24.520
if you just change the sound of the instruments,

01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:26.540
they'd be just regular rock songs.

01:33:27.240 --> 01:33:29.360
JR, you mentioned a couple songs from them.

01:33:30.410 --> 01:33:30.740
I mean,

01:33:31.040 --> 01:33:38.420
there's just so much in their catalog that it didn't dawn on me. One thing leads to another. It's just a good funk kind of bass rock song.

01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:39.420
Saved by Zero,

01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:40.380
obviously, is great.

01:33:41.140 --> 01:33:45.340
I mean, Deeper and Deeper, which I don't know if you guys remember that song.

01:33:45.740 --> 01:33:46.180
Huge.

01:33:46.340 --> 01:33:47.400
Are We Ourselves,

01:33:47.620 --> 01:33:48.660
Stand or Fall.

01:33:48.800 --> 01:33:49.900
Red Skies. Oh, yeah.

01:33:50.540 --> 01:33:52.280
That was a good tune. They're all cool tunes.

01:33:52.640 --> 01:33:53.040
Yeah.

01:33:53.200 --> 01:33:54.200
I always like the fix.

01:33:54.900 --> 01:33:55.660
And the last one I mentioned,

01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.380
I want to throw in because we've already mentioned twice, The Police.

01:33:58.600 --> 01:33:58.760
I mean,

01:33:59.060 --> 01:34:01.740
it's hard to escape them at the time.

01:34:02.380 --> 01:34:07.800
But the funny thing is, is the album I like the most from them is probably the album that people don't think about the most.

01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:10.920
And that's Ghost in the Machine. That's my guess.

01:34:11.660 --> 01:34:12.580
Absolutely awesome.

01:34:12.860 --> 01:34:13.360
First off,

01:34:13.600 --> 01:34:18.660
has there ever been a better opening track for that type of music with spirits and material?

01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:22.540
He actually is ripping on bass.

01:34:23.400 --> 01:34:24.940
We don't talk about him often on bass.

01:34:24.970 --> 01:34:25.060
Oh,

01:34:25.260 --> 01:34:25.480
no.

01:34:27.020 --> 01:34:27.700
He could rip.

01:34:27.930 --> 01:34:28.300
That sounds crazy,

01:34:28.580 --> 01:34:28.640
dude.

01:34:29.290 --> 01:34:29.380
Yeah.

01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:31.480
Everyone always talks about Stuart Copeland.

01:34:31.620 --> 01:34:32.840
And yes, he's a great drummer.

01:34:33.680 --> 01:34:34.640
I'm going to get killed for this.

01:34:34.640 --> 01:34:35.680
I think he's a little overrated,

01:34:35.950 --> 01:34:38.060
but I still think he's a top drummer.

01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:40.400
I think people push him a little higher than he needs to be.

01:34:41.700 --> 01:34:44.840
And I know that's fact because he still can't play New World Man by Rush.

01:34:46.160 --> 01:34:46.520
Ouch.

01:34:48.300 --> 01:34:55.480
It is funny how the most police sound song... He can't play it. He couldn't play it. And he admitted.

01:34:55.700 --> 01:34:56.100
He admitted.

01:34:56.260 --> 01:34:57.660
He said that was really hard to play.

01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:03.720
Yeah. So I'll give him credit. I thought he would have been... I thought he would slide right into that and he couldn't.

01:35:04.360 --> 01:35:08.500
His vibe is different though, dude. He's almost like a Miracle Uso guy or something.

01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:08.940
Yeah.

01:35:09.260 --> 01:35:11.800
He's actually... He's a pounder.

01:35:12.260 --> 01:35:14.720
He wants to play as loud as possible.

01:35:14.900 --> 01:35:16.820
And his symbol work is incredible.

01:35:17.160 --> 01:35:18.060
It's too much sometimes.

01:35:18.320 --> 01:35:19.560
He's an amazing drummer, actually. He is.

01:35:20.340 --> 01:35:24.560
But I think that people elevate him higher than he needs to be. Just me. That's just me.

01:35:24.740 --> 01:35:25.720
That's my drum world.

01:35:25.900 --> 01:35:26.200
But anyway,

01:35:26.400 --> 01:35:32.080
just about this album. Every little thing she does is magic. It's just a great song. That is one of my favorites.

01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:33.060
That is,

01:35:33.260 --> 01:35:38.960
you know, that was my barb song when we started dating. There you go.

01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:43.660
But then you've got some, like, some semi-politically charged,

01:35:43.900 --> 01:35:46.060
like, angry songs that are very atmospheric.

01:35:46.240 --> 01:35:48.240
Invisible Sun is just a freak.

01:35:49.380 --> 01:35:50.340
I mean,

01:35:50.540 --> 01:35:51.740
Demolition Man, let's be honest.

01:35:52.120 --> 01:35:55.460
We still can't think of that song without thinking of a certain actor.

01:35:56.280 --> 01:35:57.240
Come on.

01:35:58.260 --> 01:35:59.820
You know what I'm talking about. Demolition Man.

01:36:00.200 --> 01:36:00.680
Honestly,

01:36:01.100 --> 01:36:02.260
was that Stallone?

01:36:02.580 --> 01:36:03.060
Yeah.

01:36:04.620 --> 01:36:06.100
Well, it could have been Arnie.

01:36:06.940 --> 01:36:07.420
Oh,

01:36:07.580 --> 01:36:07.680
no.

01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:09.080
Yeah, it was Stallone.

01:36:09.380 --> 01:36:09.620
I got it.

01:36:10.440 --> 01:36:11.200
I got it.

01:36:11.540 --> 01:36:12.820
I think of Grace Slick,

01:36:12.980 --> 01:36:14.880
or not Grace Slick, Grace Jones.

01:36:15.660 --> 01:36:18.280
Grace Jones, yeah. That's who I think of when I think of

01:36:18.320 --> 01:36:21.980
What became of her, man? I loved her in Conan the Destroyer. She was the best.

01:36:22.180 --> 01:36:24.840
I think she died kind of young or something. She died?

01:36:25.220 --> 01:36:26.260
There was something about her.

01:36:27.580 --> 01:36:28.720
Let's see what happened to her.

01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:33.260
No, she still lives. Yeah, I was going to say, I didn't think she died. Yeah, I didn't think she passed away.

01:36:34.320 --> 01:36:35.280
She's 78.

01:36:36.240 --> 01:36:36.680
Wow.

01:36:37.200 --> 01:36:39.600
I don't think the police can be underscored.

01:36:40.300 --> 01:36:40.960
They just,

01:36:41.240 --> 01:36:44.800
they crossed so much ground in five albums.

01:36:45.280 --> 01:36:45.420
Yeah.

01:36:45.780 --> 01:36:46.160
You know,

01:36:46.940 --> 01:36:48.220
and still the greatest box set ever.

01:36:49.300 --> 01:36:50.440
It's just that one

01:36:51.240 --> 01:36:51.900
four CD,

01:36:52.170 --> 01:36:52.280
albeit

01:36:52.760 --> 01:36:54.580
pisses me off that I have to cut the CDs up

01:36:54.580 --> 01:36:55.160
to get the albums.

01:36:55.320 --> 01:36:56.260
I have that too.

01:36:56.390 --> 01:36:56.620
I never did.

01:36:56.870 --> 01:36:59.800
So the problem with that is

01:37:00.780 --> 01:37:02.920
I never knew what songs

01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:04.200
went with what albums

01:37:04.870 --> 01:37:06.980
because all I have is that box set.

01:37:08.060 --> 01:37:09.160
You can use your Google machine

01:37:09.250 --> 01:37:09.920
to figure that out.

01:37:10.160 --> 01:37:10.880
I think I will.

01:37:11.340 --> 01:37:11.680
Thank you.

01:37:11.960 --> 01:37:12.960
I appreciate that.

01:37:13.400 --> 01:37:15.280
Have a cheap trick box set like that too.

01:37:16.000 --> 01:37:17.200
But with that said,

01:37:17.620 --> 01:37:20.680
it's still everything the police ever did is on there.

01:37:20.900 --> 01:37:22.140
So not everything.

01:37:23.660 --> 01:37:25.840
There is a B-side that didn't get on there.

01:37:26.320 --> 01:37:27.420
Is it good enough to be on there?

01:37:28.240 --> 01:37:28.960
Probably not.

01:37:29.420 --> 01:37:34.180
But it's basically da-do-do-da-da-da-da in Japanese.

01:37:34.760 --> 01:37:35.900
That's not it. Okay.

01:37:36.300 --> 01:37:38.320
How do you say that in Japanese?

01:37:38.810 --> 01:37:41.900
Is it still do-do-da-da-da-da? That's how you say it in Japanese.

01:37:45.340 --> 01:37:48.280
or the Bowie album in German.

01:37:48.500 --> 01:37:49.920
You don't need it if you don't speak German.

01:37:50.080 --> 01:37:50.480
So there.

01:37:52.000 --> 01:37:52.400
Seriously.

01:37:56.040 --> 01:37:56.960
Okay, that's it.

01:37:58.600 --> 01:37:59.000
Okay,

01:37:59.200 --> 01:37:59.320
then.

01:38:01.500 --> 01:38:02.040
Where are we?

01:38:02.880 --> 01:38:03.880
Are we back to me again?

01:38:04.060 --> 01:38:04.940
Yeah, your turn now.

01:38:05.160 --> 01:38:06.780
All right. So there's a couple things that,

01:38:07.980 --> 01:38:08.120
well,

01:38:08.280 --> 01:38:14.340
one in particular that I am shamed that I did not mention last time that has come up, and that's Men at Work.

01:38:15.340 --> 01:38:15.600
Oh, yeah.

01:38:16.340 --> 01:38:21.100
Men at Work is one of my all-time favorite bands from the 80s.

01:38:21.660 --> 01:38:23.780
When Business As Usual came out,

01:38:25.060 --> 01:38:28.020
I was a young lad,

01:38:28.500 --> 01:38:28.660
okay?

01:38:29.260 --> 01:38:31.560
And this was one of my early purchases,

01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:36.360
and I don't think it was a Columbia one. I think I actually went to the store and paid hard cash for this thing. Oh, man.

01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:40.700
And their next album,

01:38:40.940 --> 01:38:41.840
Cargo,

01:38:42.080 --> 01:38:44.580
I vividly remember buying,

01:38:44.620 --> 01:38:53.880
because I was down in Florida visiting my grandparents and I went to some rando Fort Myers,

01:38:54.140 --> 01:38:56.740
Florida record store and picked up cargo.

01:38:57.740 --> 01:38:59.580
And I was all Dr.

01:38:59.760 --> 01:39:00.320
Jekyll and Mr.

01:39:00.560 --> 01:39:01.180
Hyde or whatever.

01:39:03.040 --> 01:39:10.400
But such an amazing band. And this is another band that despite my metal BS,

01:39:10.900 --> 01:39:13.700
I was always a fan of Men at Work no matter what.

01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:17.880
And Colin Hay solo is also an amazing,

01:39:18.060 --> 01:39:18.860
amazing man.

01:39:19.180 --> 01:39:22.460
And I got to see him a few years back.

01:39:22.700 --> 01:39:24.840
I've never seen Men at Work or Colin Hay solo,

01:39:25.040 --> 01:39:27.740
but I did see him play with Ringo Starr's All-Star Band.

01:39:28.300 --> 01:39:28.780
Oh,

01:39:28.980 --> 01:39:31.780
wow. And he did a couple of Men at Work songs,

01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:33.460
and it was joyous.

01:39:35.440 --> 01:39:36.140
So yes,

01:39:36.360 --> 01:39:37.960
Men at Work for the win,

01:39:38.180 --> 01:39:38.800
for sure.

01:39:39.120 --> 01:39:39.460
Yeah.

01:39:40.320 --> 01:39:40.800
Nice.

01:39:41.140 --> 01:39:42.260
I'm with you, George.

01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:45.500
The B-52s were also mentioned, I think, by John,

01:39:45.780 --> 01:39:46.820
perhaps, at the beginning.

01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:50.600
You know, everybody knows Love Shack.

01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.200
You gotta know Love Shack. And, you know, it's good.

01:39:53.860 --> 01:39:54.520
Rock Lobster?

01:39:54.820 --> 01:39:55.480
Cosmic Thing,

01:39:55.860 --> 01:39:55.960
yes.

01:39:56.120 --> 01:39:58.120
But we have to go to Rock Lobster.

01:39:58.300 --> 01:40:00.300
The first B-52s album,

01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:01.640
so,

01:40:02.020 --> 01:40:03.380
like, you know, post-punk,

01:40:03.660 --> 01:40:04.460
beautiful.

01:40:05.900 --> 01:40:10.560
What I love about this song and this album is the same thing I love about The Cure,

01:40:10.820 --> 01:40:11.500
Early Cure,

01:40:11.660 --> 01:40:12.820
is that it's just,

01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:13.040
e.

01:40:42.940 --> 01:40:47.260
and see R.A.M. the other night or something. You know, I mean, they that that was such a funny scene.

01:40:47.900 --> 01:40:48.060
Yeah.

01:40:48.620 --> 01:40:49.640
There's another band.

01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:55.700
I've mentioned them on one of these podcasts.

01:40:59.260 --> 01:41:00.180
An Athens band?

01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:00.840
Yes.

01:41:01.240 --> 01:41:02.020
Driving and Crying.

01:41:02.620 --> 01:41:02.980
Oh,

01:41:03.140 --> 01:41:03.300
right.

01:41:03.460 --> 01:41:07.540
They were also from Athens and their song Fly Me Courageous, which I freaking love.

01:41:08.690 --> 01:41:09.540
Such a good song.

01:41:11.270 --> 01:41:12.900
Yeah. It's so funny how those how

01:41:12.940 --> 01:41:17.820
That happens how there's little fires that start in these little sections of the country.

01:41:17.990 --> 01:41:20.540
You know what I mean? And all of a sudden, it's like a cool place to be. Yeah,

01:41:20.740 --> 01:41:21.220
it's like, I mean,

01:41:21.420 --> 01:41:24.840
Seattle, you know, that was clearly like a record label thing to do.

01:41:25.000 --> 01:41:25.800
But but Athens,

01:41:26.120 --> 01:41:27.340
I think was just pure talent.

01:41:28.100 --> 01:41:32.260
It had to be. And I think maybe there was like some kind of like forward thinking college there or something.

01:41:32.560 --> 01:41:33.580
Yeah, I know it's college town.

01:41:33.780 --> 01:41:33.880
Yeah.

01:41:34.270 --> 01:41:38.220
Yeah. So maybe they had maybe there's an art school or something. I don't know. But or a big university.

01:41:38.740 --> 01:41:39.680
I'm sure there's got to be.

01:41:41.090 --> 01:41:41.180
Yeah.

01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:44.720
They have a few in Georgia.

01:41:44.940 --> 01:41:54.940
Another one that I want to mention, and not necessarily a huge one in my mind, but definitely memorable from the time to me, and it hasn't been mentioned yet, so I want to mention it,

01:41:55.790 --> 01:41:59.520
and that is Culture Club and their album Color Bright Numbers with, of course,

01:42:00.220 --> 01:42:01.180
Karma Chameleon.

01:42:03.460 --> 01:42:11.480
I'm going to just two steps back just because John was just saying that Georgia has a few colleges, and I just wanted to remind you that,

01:42:12.180 --> 01:42:12.840
according to the manager,

01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:16.200
of Spinal Tap Boston is not a big college town. It's not a big college town.

01:42:17.140 --> 01:42:18.040
Don't worry about it.

01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:19.140
Yeah.

01:42:19.860 --> 01:42:20.460
We've been canceled.

01:42:21.110 --> 01:42:23.320
Don't worry about it. Yeah. Sorry, Chase. Yeah, no worries.

01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:26.080
But Karma Chameleon, man, that was a school bus song.

01:42:26.450 --> 01:42:28.660
So Barb and I were always talking about school bus songs,

01:42:28.940 --> 01:42:30.980
songs that were huge to us when we were kids,

01:42:31.640 --> 01:42:32.400
because you always,

01:42:32.930 --> 01:42:33.760
you know, the bus driver,

01:42:34.070 --> 01:42:34.620
school bus driver,

01:42:34.820 --> 01:42:35.480
if they were cool,

01:42:35.920 --> 01:42:37.400
would put on the rock music channel.

01:42:37.850 --> 01:42:39.900
And you'd hear this song every day on the way to school.

01:42:40.480 --> 01:42:41.500
And Karma Chameleon,

01:42:42.130 --> 01:42:42.500
to me,

01:42:42.920 --> 01:42:44.700
is me stepping onto the school bus.

01:42:44.860 --> 01:42:46.160
That is what it is to me.

01:42:46.400 --> 01:42:49.500
You had a radio on your school bus? Yeah, we did,

01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:50.760
man. We had a really cool,

01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:51.280
like,

01:42:51.560 --> 01:42:54.920
70s rocker chick bus driver.

01:42:55.860 --> 01:42:56.820
Her name was Mrs.

01:42:57.120 --> 01:42:58.980
Toma. I don't know what her first name was. She was Mrs.

01:42:59.180 --> 01:42:59.460
Toma.

01:43:00.320 --> 01:43:02.060
And she was a badass.

01:43:02.380 --> 01:43:03.080
She played stuff.

01:43:03.480 --> 01:43:11.160
And she put up with me in my high school years bringing a boombox on and blasting Metal Church and Slayer on the school bus to annoy everybody.

01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:12.780
But yeah,

01:43:12.900 --> 01:43:22.340
Yeah, I mean, she there's so much of my initial musical DNA rests in school bus songs.

01:43:22.940 --> 01:43:24.500
And Carmen Chameleon is one of those.

01:43:25.380 --> 01:43:31.820
Another one that I absolutely love from that era that is not in any way new wave, but Elton John's, I guess that's why they call it the blues.

01:43:33.760 --> 01:43:36.780
But of course, all the rhythmic stuff was also school bus songs.

01:43:40.040 --> 01:43:41.600
The romantics talking in your sleep.

01:43:42.200 --> 01:43:42.820
Another school bus.

01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:44.120
Yeah,

01:43:44.420 --> 01:43:44.600
anyway,

01:43:46.040 --> 01:43:49.560
I am going to digress and let it go back to others.

01:43:51.860 --> 01:43:54.060
Yeah, TRJ, you guys have much more stuff.

01:43:54.340 --> 01:43:55.360
I don't really have anything else to add.

01:43:56.260 --> 01:43:58.820
If you don't, I have a few more and then we can move on.

01:43:59.260 --> 01:43:59.520
Yeah, yeah.

01:44:00.140 --> 01:44:00.480
Okay, go.

01:44:01.060 --> 01:44:01.260
All right,

01:44:01.500 --> 01:44:04.480
because I know TR, you probably are thin on the stuff.

01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:06.360
Yeah, I've expended everything here.

01:44:06.520 --> 01:44:06.700
Okay,

01:44:07.120 --> 01:44:07.200
cool.

01:44:07.340 --> 01:44:10.280
I'll do three more that I want to bring up.

01:44:11.080 --> 01:44:11.380
There's two,

01:44:11.640 --> 01:44:14.300
obviously, which I'm a fan of. One that I'm not a super fan,

01:44:14.540 --> 01:44:17.200
but they need to be mentioned for numerous reasons.

01:44:17.900 --> 01:44:19.320
My first one, In Excess.

01:44:19.780 --> 01:44:21.080
I'm a big, I like them.

01:44:21.260 --> 01:44:22.060
Oh, love them.

01:44:22.360 --> 01:44:22.980
You know,

01:44:23.140 --> 01:44:24.960
and Kick,

01:44:25.220 --> 01:44:26.340
I've always loved the album Kick.

01:44:26.740 --> 01:44:28.140
Every song on that album's awesome,

01:44:28.440 --> 01:44:30.700
and it's big rock at that point. It's not even,

01:44:30.940 --> 01:44:32.100
it's not even New Wave.

01:44:32.260 --> 01:44:35.700
It's a little bit, you know, but there's just big sounds on that album.

01:44:36.420 --> 01:44:37.660
But the album that got me into them,

01:44:38.060 --> 01:44:38.200
again,

01:44:38.360 --> 01:44:38.740
MTV,

01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:40.800
was Shaboo Shabba.

01:44:40.800 --> 01:45:10.780
I knew it this the song the one thing I just like what is up with this 20 Western guitar sound why are they eating at this table like a like a Greek orgy or a Roman orgy you know and then this had an orgy it doesn't matter where it's from yeah whoa it's cool check it out you know and then that cat keeps coming in yeah what is up with that cat that cat coming from yeah and then you add in this Australian Jim Morrison

01:45:10.800 --> 01:45:40.780
because he had that vibe he just did and he was elegantly wasted nice yeah exactly you know well we don't want him to change so don't change dude um and that song don't change obviously got me hooked and from there i've again i don't have a whole lot from them but i've always really liked their music and i get it so they're like oh it's so typical that sound all right whatever show me your collection and i'll pull your crap out of it so yeah well this is one of the bands that i

01:45:41.120 --> 01:45:42.960
hated in high school because of the people.

01:45:44.080 --> 01:45:45.820
And then after high school,

01:45:46.180 --> 01:45:47.680
X came out and I was like,

01:45:48.100 --> 01:45:48.180
oh,

01:45:48.560 --> 01:45:48.740
yeah.

01:45:49.460 --> 01:45:51.000
And then I worked my way back from there.

01:45:51.500 --> 01:45:55.280
And X is just them being a rock band, an arena rock band at that point.

01:45:55.540 --> 01:45:58.100
But their early stuff like Shabu Shabba,

01:45:58.300 --> 01:46:01.840
that's all full on new wave.

01:46:02.980 --> 01:46:05.060
Then I want to talk about two influencers here.

01:46:05.760 --> 01:46:07.000
God, I hate that word so much.

01:46:08.240 --> 01:46:10.560
But it would be, I'd be remiss not to mention Bowie.

01:46:10.780 --> 01:46:16.920
And I'm not even going to mention his Berlin stuff. I'm going to go with the album Scary Monsters for a number of reasons.

01:46:17.240 --> 01:46:20.340
One, because I think that's probably his most new wave-ish album.

01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:27.360
But it's just loaded with so many songs that you can hear these songs and these other artists.

01:46:28.060 --> 01:46:28.500
Obviously,

01:46:28.660 --> 01:46:31.880
the big two songs are Ashes to Ashes and Fashion are on this album,

01:46:32.100 --> 01:46:38.000
which are basically the kind of the forefront of when this scene was starting.

01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.360
But the song Scary Monsters itself,

01:46:40.780 --> 01:46:43.120
It couldn't be any more kind of new wave,

01:46:44.140 --> 01:46:46.140
kind of post-punk art rock sound.

01:46:46.460 --> 01:46:49.880
It's so new wave that Joe Jackson covered it when George and I saw him.

01:46:50.060 --> 01:46:52.920
Yeah, I was just going to say, where did I just hear somebody covering this?

01:46:53.140 --> 01:46:54.540
It was Joe Jackson.

01:46:54.820 --> 01:46:56.340
And his version was, and I,

01:46:56.540 --> 01:46:57.860
you know me, I complain about cover songs.

01:46:58.020 --> 01:46:58.860
His version was awesome.

01:46:59.180 --> 01:47:01.360
He changed it up just enough to make it his,

01:47:01.580 --> 01:47:02.640
which was so cool.

01:47:03.900 --> 01:47:04.500
The album,

01:47:04.700 --> 01:47:05.820
or the song Teenage Wildlife,

01:47:06.100 --> 01:47:08.420
I mean, you haven't heard that before. That just screams.

01:47:08.620 --> 01:47:10.720
First of all, it's heavily Bruce Springsteen.

01:47:13.739 --> 01:47:17.540
I can't even think of Bowie and Springsteen in the same brain.

01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:21.940
But Bowie was influenced by him in a weird way for a period.

01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.060
But what's crazy on this album,

01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:34.500
Robert Fripp's on the album, I don't think it could be underscored how much of Robert Fripp's guitar playing permeates in some of these bands early on.

01:47:35.040 --> 01:47:35.480
You go like,

01:47:35.780 --> 01:47:35.920
whoa,

01:47:36.200 --> 01:47:37.420
that harsh,

01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:40.060
nasty guitar sound that he came up with.

01:47:40.780 --> 01:47:41.780
It's all over the place.

01:47:42.140 --> 01:47:43.280
Pete Townsend's on the album.

01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:48.140
I mean, Roy Bitten, is it Bitten or Bitten or whatever from Bruce's band,

01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:52.060
the piano keyboard player is on the album. I mean, it's just, anyway.

01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:57.940
And my last one, I would be in trouble if I didn't mention the band Japan a little more than I did earlier,

01:47:58.260 --> 01:48:03.320
which was kind of the band that was before Duran Duran,

01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:05.860
where Duran Duran sort of kind of Japan, Japan.

01:48:06.460 --> 01:48:13.220
was influenced by the look the androgynous look the sound uh if you're not familiar with

01:48:13.920 --> 01:48:22.680
japan they're a uk band started in the mid-70s kind of hit the avant pop synth pop early new wave kind of the

01:48:22.770 --> 01:48:31.000
early new romantic sound if you don't need people in the band david sylvan basically i mean go ahead and

01:48:31.070 --> 01:48:35.540
listen to the last three albums from japan and you go listen to durand durand and tell me

01:48:35.560 --> 01:48:38.060
Simon LeBond's not influenced by his singing style.

01:48:39.220 --> 01:48:41.260
They sound almost exactly the same.

01:48:41.580 --> 01:48:46.620
Oh, and then don't tell me that Sylvan wasn't influenced by Bowie or by Roxy Music.

01:48:48.660 --> 01:48:49.360
But then,

01:48:49.780 --> 01:48:51.960
of course, I have to mention this band because of Richard Barbieri,

01:48:52.180 --> 01:48:52.820
the keyboard player,

01:48:53.040 --> 01:48:57.840
who they had these just weird new sounds that nobody else was doing at the time,

01:48:58.880 --> 01:48:59.080
albeit,

01:48:59.400 --> 01:49:00.720
you know, not mentioning Brian Eno.

01:49:01.600 --> 01:49:05.480
And it's just funny to hear how those sounds have transcended consistently.

01:49:05.560 --> 01:49:08.680
over time through some of those bands in the new wave period,

01:49:09.310 --> 01:49:10.480
all the way into Porcupine Tree,

01:49:10.660 --> 01:49:16.960
which is crazy to think that. But I think if you don't know this band, you might want to give them a listen.

01:49:17.140 --> 01:49:18.160
It's not what you think.

01:49:18.810 --> 01:49:24.320
Because while you can hear the Duran Duran influence, you know, them pulling from Japan,

01:49:24.660 --> 01:49:30.040
they're real art-rocky. I mean, they kind of make Peter Gabriel look like he's standard rock in some spots.

01:49:32.140 --> 01:49:33.180
Which is kind of funny,

01:49:33.400 --> 01:49:35.520
because I'm listening to their stuff the last couple of years.

01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:35.780
couple weeks,

01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:36.180
I'm like,

01:49:36.400 --> 01:49:36.600
wow,

01:49:37.940 --> 01:49:38.880
this takes some work,

01:49:39.180 --> 01:49:39.800
some of this stuff.

01:49:40.290 --> 01:49:43.020
And then you get to appreciate what they were trying to do at the time.

01:49:43.860 --> 01:49:46.620
So that's it.

01:49:46.780 --> 01:49:47.520
That's what I got.

01:49:48.520 --> 01:49:49.220
All right.

01:49:50.780 --> 01:49:50.940
TR,

01:49:51.320 --> 01:49:51.440
Jay,

01:49:51.610 --> 01:49:52.240
any more to say?

01:49:52.400 --> 01:49:52.720
No.

01:49:53.840 --> 01:49:54.640
All right.

01:49:56.480 --> 01:49:58.980
I'm just going to rattle off a few things. I mean,

01:50:00.300 --> 01:50:01.720
they've been mentioned, but Blondie,

01:50:01.900 --> 01:50:03.140
big fan of Blondie.

01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:05.480
Duran Duran.

01:50:05.540 --> 01:50:08.700
Not a big fan in the 80s. Huge fan now,

01:50:08.900 --> 01:50:10.200
especially after having gone to see them.

01:50:12.900 --> 01:50:14.860
Can't say enough about those guys.

01:50:15.600 --> 01:50:16.580
And honestly,

01:50:17.070 --> 01:50:22.260
of all the bands that continued after the 80s, they still put out good music.

01:50:23.660 --> 01:50:24.560
Really good music.

01:50:24.900 --> 01:50:25.860
The Human League,

01:50:26.390 --> 01:50:29.320
I think John mentioned them. Good stuff. Oh my god, I just went and saw them,

01:50:29.530 --> 01:50:30.340
by the way. Who did?

01:50:31.040 --> 01:50:32.360
My friend Alan,

01:50:32.540 --> 01:50:32.760
this guy,

01:50:33.020 --> 01:50:35.060
a friend of mine I kind of reunited with here.

01:50:35.140 --> 01:50:38.240
He lives in Tucson. He went and saw the human lake a couple weeks ago.

01:50:38.440 --> 01:50:38.620
Oh,

01:50:38.820 --> 01:50:38.900
nice.

01:50:39.260 --> 01:50:39.660
Yeah.

01:50:40.560 --> 01:50:42.200
Talking Heads, we didn't talk about enough,

01:50:42.620 --> 01:50:43.900
but anything about the Talking Heads,

01:50:44.100 --> 01:50:46.440
that's so, so 80s, so brilliant.

01:50:46.860 --> 01:50:48.300
And they're kind of at the top of the pyramid,

01:50:48.580 --> 01:50:51.780
too. Yeah, David Byrne and all of that stuff.

01:50:52.940 --> 01:50:55.500
The Go-Go's, big fan of the Go-Go's Beauty and the Beat.

01:50:57.180 --> 01:50:58.100
Also Vacation.

01:51:01.380 --> 01:51:01.640
And yeah,

01:51:01.820 --> 01:51:02.380
I mean, Depeche Mode.

01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:04.420
We talked about them, but Violator.

01:51:05.140 --> 01:51:10.860
Another band that I despised in the 80s and was like, what was I thinking?

01:51:11.840 --> 01:51:13.540
Depeche Mode, their entire catalog is amazing.

01:51:13.900 --> 01:51:14.000
So,

01:51:15.390 --> 01:51:15.540
yeah.

01:51:16.780 --> 01:51:19.320
You know, you go back and listen to Depeche Mode.

01:51:20.510 --> 01:51:21.540
And I know you know this song,

01:51:21.700 --> 01:51:21.780
George.

01:51:22.980 --> 01:51:23.760
Never Let Me Down Again.

01:51:24.440 --> 01:51:31.500
And then go back and listen to the Farmer Boys do their version with Annika Van Gearsbergen. The Farmer Boys. Oh, my gosh.

01:51:31.900 --> 01:51:35.100
That is a name I haven't heard in a

01:51:35.120 --> 01:51:36.460
A Long Time.

01:51:37.440 --> 01:51:39.020
You go back and listen to their version,

01:51:39.440 --> 01:51:44.000
and you can hear where these might be synth-based songs,

01:51:44.500 --> 01:51:46.480
but you add guitars and bass and drums,

01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:48.520
like organically,

01:51:48.740 --> 01:51:49.740
and you're like, whoa,

01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:52.660
this is really wild how this transcends.

01:51:53.020 --> 01:51:53.400
Yeah.

01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:55.180
Oh, my God, the Farmer Boys.

01:51:55.380 --> 01:51:56.540
You're blowing my mind, John.

01:51:57.180 --> 01:51:59.580
It has been so long since I've listened to the Farmer Boys.

01:51:59.640 --> 01:52:01.700
By the way, I never mentioned Tears for Fears,

01:52:01.860 --> 01:52:02.360
Joe Jackson,

01:52:02.900 --> 01:52:06.140
or what was the one I wanted to mention?

01:52:07.380 --> 01:52:09.840
Because we talked about them before in previous episodes,

01:52:10.320 --> 01:52:10.760
Talk Talk.

01:52:11.010 --> 01:52:11.640
I didn't mention those.

01:52:11.840 --> 01:52:13.980
They were also really big in this scene.

01:52:14.230 --> 01:52:16.680
But we mentioned them at Adonisum before.

01:52:17.300 --> 01:52:17.740
All right.

01:52:18.300 --> 01:52:18.740
Well,

01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:19.600
speaking of Joe,

01:52:19.920 --> 01:52:24.440
if we're ready to move on, I want to talk to Jay and be like, what up with Joe?

01:52:29.640 --> 01:52:29.820
this.

01:52:31.020 --> 01:52:33.220
I mean, I'm not going to get into too many specifics with you.

01:52:33.620 --> 01:52:39.020
I've listened to all the stuff you guys told me to listen to, but actually it's sort of like new wave.

01:52:39.320 --> 01:52:43.020
This is somebody who I vastly did not know who he was or what he did.

01:52:43.710 --> 01:52:50.100
I only knew the hits and there's just a sheer amount of talent there.

01:52:50.620 --> 01:52:54.140
There's still more listening than I have to do to give you like my deepest opinions,

01:52:54.420 --> 01:52:57.640
but I like it and I see that the guy is like,

01:52:57.820 --> 01:52:59.620
he's kind

01:52:59.660 --> 01:53:00.140
of a monster.

01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:00.920
You know what I mean?

01:53:01.180 --> 01:53:01.300
Like,

01:53:02.340 --> 01:53:02.420
I,

01:53:02.780 --> 01:53:07.200
and it's, and it's just so funny to be turned on to something like that because we don't,

01:53:08.140 --> 01:53:09.780
I mean, there's always something new to discover,

01:53:10.020 --> 01:53:11.880
but less and less of the old stuff.

01:53:12.020 --> 01:53:12.100
And,

01:53:12.360 --> 01:53:15.120
you know, most of the geniuses have gone across my desk at this point.

01:53:15.200 --> 01:53:15.760
You know what I mean?

01:53:16.280 --> 01:53:16.900
To me, it's like,

01:53:17.240 --> 01:53:18.440
it's like Warren Zevon,

01:53:19.080 --> 01:53:19.240
you know,

01:53:19.940 --> 01:53:21.640
he's kind of like a Warren Zevon.

01:53:21.740 --> 01:53:25.560
He's a freaking genius and nobody really knows.

01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:25.800
I mean,

01:53:26.000 --> 01:53:28.600
people know it, but not as many people know it as they should.

01:53:29.060 --> 01:53:29.460
As they should.

01:53:29.740 --> 01:53:31.800
And so all I can say is that you guys were right.

01:53:32.590 --> 01:53:34.940
Give me more time and I'll tell you some of my favorite stuff.

01:53:35.780 --> 01:53:39.000
But I just didn't understand the depth that was there. The depth.

01:53:39.400 --> 01:53:39.660
Absolutely.

01:53:40.640 --> 01:53:43.400
So I hope that's satisfying enough for you for now.

01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:45.120
But I just put it all on a playlist.

01:53:45.400 --> 01:53:55.100
The stuff you guys want to check this out. So I would make one quick suggestion and not belabor it, but go back and actually listen to Night and Day in Order.

01:53:55.500 --> 01:53:55.940
Okay.

01:53:56.220 --> 01:53:59.300
Because that's got two of his biggest hits.

01:53:59.500 --> 01:54:29.480
you know stepping out and breaking us in two and you hear those you're like oh these are adult contemporary well go listen to the rest of the album you're like what you know i mean i mean the song cancer is on that album that song alone is going to be like okay this isn't two and two is not adding up to four on this album right because of his sheer i mean another day the opening track the the volume of where he how he can cross over genres on his own album in within

01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:30.500
is kind of crazy.

01:54:31.960 --> 01:54:32.340
Okay.

01:54:32.660 --> 01:54:33.700
That's that I will do.

01:54:33.980 --> 01:54:35.460
I'm more than intrigued enough.

01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:36.480
I mean, I was just like,

01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:37.120
I don't know.

01:54:37.200 --> 01:54:37.440
It's funny.

01:54:37.440 --> 01:54:39.600
I don't feel silly about it, but there are just things that I was like,

01:54:39.880 --> 01:54:40.920
well, how come I don't know this?

01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:44.320
You know, I don't know if I mentioned it when we were talking about it before.

01:54:44.500 --> 01:54:46.020
I may have looked this up afterward,

01:54:47.140 --> 01:54:56.380
but the thing that drove me absolutely freaking crazy in a good way when we saw him live was the syncopation.

01:54:57.980 --> 01:55:07.640
Okay, I didn't know how to describe it at the time because I am not a music theory person.

01:55:08.860 --> 01:55:12.200
But you hear it, you feel it, you know it.

01:55:12.600 --> 01:55:18.780
And I was trying to describe it to Barb and eventually I looked it up and it was like, oh yes,

01:55:19.040 --> 01:55:19.500
Joe Jackson,

01:55:20.140 --> 01:55:24.080
his live performance very much uses incredible amounts of syncopation.

01:55:24.560 --> 01:55:27.940
And I was like, that is what was so much different about listening.

01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:30.860
listening to it on the album is compared to live.

01:55:31.220 --> 01:55:33.500
Live, the syncopation is just ridiculous.

01:55:34.640 --> 01:55:35.160
Gotcha.

01:55:37.140 --> 01:55:40.760
You guys both just said his band was like lights out.

01:55:40.960 --> 01:55:41.260
Yeah.

01:55:41.570 --> 01:55:43.060
It helps that everyone's awesome.

01:55:43.340 --> 01:55:43.580
Yeah.

01:55:43.790 --> 01:55:44.220
Yeah. They,

01:55:44.590 --> 01:55:46.080
you, you can't top these guys.

01:55:47.780 --> 01:55:47.900
And,

01:55:48.160 --> 01:55:50.480
and no one showed off. That was the thing.

01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:51.780
Even playing this,

01:55:51.950 --> 01:55:56.200
not the simplest parts, but the, the most basic in the song structure,

01:55:56.530 --> 01:55:57.660
like the guitars,

01:55:58.580 --> 01:55:59.320
It's in the groove.

01:55:59.660 --> 01:56:00.240
It's in the pocket.

01:56:00.420 --> 01:56:01.080
It's there.

01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:02.280
And it's amazing.

01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:02.740
Yeah.

01:56:03.020 --> 01:56:07.720
And that is, by the way, there's something to have that be effortless is special.

01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:13.740
I mean, when you listen to George, like during like Look Sharp and Sunday Papers, when he's doing the reggae guitar parts,

01:56:14.580 --> 01:56:17.260
he never overemphasizes the sound.

01:56:17.890 --> 01:56:19.400
And then you hear him and he stands out.

01:56:19.880 --> 01:56:20.320
Yeah.

01:56:20.740 --> 01:56:23.880
Without being like up front and stealing the spotlight.

01:56:24.480 --> 01:56:25.900
It's crazy how good they were.

01:56:26.940 --> 01:56:30.700
And then obviously Graham, maybe the bass player is just like awesome.

01:56:31.700 --> 01:56:32.560
He's so good.

01:56:34.540 --> 01:56:34.940
Anyway,

01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:36.420
cool. I'm glad you listened, Jay.

01:56:36.700 --> 01:56:40.660
Oh, no, and I'll be listening more. That's what it's that way too. He's not part of the family,

01:56:41.220 --> 01:56:41.600
so to speak.

01:56:42.060 --> 01:56:42.460
Excellent.

01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:44.200
And you don't have to like everything.

01:56:44.400 --> 01:56:46.740
That's what's the beauty of him because he's all over the map.

01:56:47.040 --> 01:56:47.220
Yeah,

01:56:47.560 --> 01:56:47.840
gotcha.

01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:50.200
All right.

01:56:50.700 --> 01:56:51.260
All right.

01:56:51.460 --> 01:56:51.600
Well,

01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:56.040
I don't have anything written down after this point. I know we talk about things,

01:56:56.280 --> 01:56:56.760
people like.

01:56:56.930 --> 01:57:00.780
I know we talk about all the shows that DR's been to and maybe other people too.

01:57:02.080 --> 01:57:03.680
He's not the only one about the shows recently.

01:57:03.950 --> 01:57:04.420
I know.

01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:06.920
I went to one just last week-ish.

01:57:07.720 --> 01:57:07.960
Yeah.

01:57:08.480 --> 01:57:08.660
All right.

01:57:08.820 --> 01:57:10.220
Well, should we rip through those real quick?

01:57:11.660 --> 01:57:12.020
Sure.

01:57:14.220 --> 01:57:14.840
Hold on.

01:57:15.820 --> 01:57:18.560
I had another chimichanga, so this might take a while.

01:57:20.080 --> 01:57:22.140
You want to do shows? You want to talk about music?

01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:22.720
I don't know.

01:57:23.120 --> 01:57:24.820
Whatever you guys want to do first, I don't care.

01:57:25.140 --> 01:57:26.220
I don't have any new music.

01:57:26.760 --> 01:57:28.340
Yeah, I hadn't really thought about that.

01:57:28.580 --> 01:57:29.260
You know what?

01:57:29.500 --> 01:57:31.120
I've got a sales pitch. Oh,

01:57:31.340 --> 01:57:31.440
yeah.

01:57:31.960 --> 01:57:32.360
Oh,

01:57:32.780 --> 01:57:32.840
yeah.

01:57:33.060 --> 01:57:33.380
That's great.

01:57:34.060 --> 01:57:34.600
I'll be fast.

01:57:35.020 --> 01:57:35.940
But I just got this.

01:57:36.400 --> 01:57:44.680
First of all, I'd also like to take this moment to suggest that we schedule or at least put on the big list somewhere a Jimi Hendrix episode.

01:57:44.900 --> 01:57:45.300
Absolutely.

01:57:46.340 --> 01:57:47.920
I could really talk about him for a while.

01:57:48.420 --> 01:57:50.220
I could listen to you guys talk about him for a while.

01:57:50.500 --> 01:57:51.380
That would be bold as love.

01:57:53.860 --> 01:57:53.960
Indeed,

01:57:54.240 --> 01:57:54.680
sir. I know.

01:57:55.060 --> 01:57:56.240
So I was

01:57:56.280 --> 01:58:26.240
I'm pitching John and anybody else interested in these wonderful backs box sets that I got recently and I'm going to just walk the boys visually through one and then I won't bother with the other one but I just want to show you what comes so first of all this is the boldest love one John and this is a rainbow dragon by Jimi Hendrix at age five he drew that that it comes in he drew it as a little boy wow and now this

01:58:26.280 --> 01:58:27.260
These things are just amazing.

01:58:27.540 --> 01:58:29.500
So first of all, you get the Boldest Love.

01:58:31.080 --> 01:58:37.140
And the vinyl on these has got to be better than 180. I don't know what it is because they're crazy.

01:58:37.440 --> 01:58:39.780
And then there's the Boldest Love Mono.

01:58:39.940 --> 01:58:41.600
This was the original one that came out in England.

01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:45.960
And then you get studio outtakes,

01:58:46.240 --> 01:58:47.900
studio sessions,

01:58:48.450 --> 01:58:51.360
and a show in Sweden,

01:58:52.220 --> 01:58:52.640
all vinyl,

01:58:53.800 --> 01:58:54.920
and a great cool book.

01:58:56.040 --> 01:59:04.040
But the real reason I wanted to sell you on these, and I was going to... I appreciate that this is your favorite studio album. It's so underrated,

01:59:04.340 --> 01:59:04.440
too.

01:59:04.960 --> 01:59:08.000
I don't underrate any of them, but I hear what you're saying.

01:59:08.300 --> 01:59:11.240
Well, because everyone goes to Voodoo Child,

01:59:11.510 --> 01:59:14.700
or they go to Purple Haze, I'm like, dude, Spanish Castle Magic.

01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:16.040
No,

01:59:16.220 --> 01:59:18.000
and that's why I wanted to do an episode on him.

01:59:18.320 --> 01:59:19.560
Bold as Love Itself?

01:59:19.740 --> 01:59:20.320
I mean, come on.

01:59:20.600 --> 01:59:22.180
You mean the title track?

01:59:22.400 --> 01:59:22.840
Yeah,

01:59:23.030 --> 01:59:26.000
I mean, just the whole album. He wanted to be Bob Dylan, dude, and he could have been.

01:59:26.060 --> 01:59:28.740
Wind Cries Mary is my jam. Just saying.

01:59:29.140 --> 01:59:29.860
Of course.

01:59:30.160 --> 01:59:31.740
That's one of the great songs he wrote.

01:59:32.020 --> 01:59:38.900
So my sales pitch on this is just, first of all, the quality of these boxes and what comes in them.

01:59:40.440 --> 01:59:46.700
And you can go listen to this on... What's the stupid music app?

01:59:47.120 --> 01:59:47.640
Spotify?

01:59:47.910 --> 01:59:48.700
The one I use.

01:59:49.080 --> 01:59:49.600
Spotify.

01:59:50.420 --> 01:59:56.020
And I want to suggest it to you, John, because it's almost heartbreaking

01:59:56.760 --> 01:59:57.360
to listen to.

01:59:58.000 --> 01:59:58.420
There's a.

01:59:59.980 --> 02:00:05.620
This second record in this box that is called the making is called that last. The beginning, the making of electric lady land,

02:00:05.840 --> 02:00:07.360
which is the one I'm showing you, which is this,

02:00:07.780 --> 02:00:09.360
by the way, the original intended cover.

02:00:10.460 --> 02:00:10.540
Right.

02:00:11.160 --> 02:00:20.840
And what it has is his demos just like done in his apartment or something of 1983.

02:00:21.340 --> 02:00:24.920
And where man, I should turn be food, a child, and then a bunch of unreleased stuff.

02:00:25.700 --> 02:00:30.500
And it's like having Hendrix sit down and go, hey, I'm going to play a bunch of songs for my new record.

02:00:31.200 --> 02:00:35.220
And then just strung them acoustically on his Stratocaster.

02:00:35.400 --> 02:00:37.840
And they are so sweet. And he sounds so good.

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And it's just him and his guitar basically playing through a large chunk of this record.

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And it's one of the coolest little acoustic records I've gotten in the longest time. So I would like to suggest you get on Spotify and check out that.

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So last night when you were having no power and we were here wondering where Jay was,

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I was talking about my disdain for albums with bonus tracks and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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but you're kind of turning me on right now.

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In particular,

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if you're going to do this, just go to Spotify because you can do it for free and listen to 1983.

02:01:21.020 --> 02:01:51.000
I should turn to be and this is from at last the beginning the outtakes or the demos from this record and then just let it roll through the next like 10 tracks and it's so like it makes me want to cry listening to it it's literally like sitting in a room with him and he plays the prettiest versions of these songs and you also get to see him kind of like understanding what orchestration was going on because he continues on playing his part during certain parts when there's nothing behind it and you're like well that would sound weird if it was if I didn't know what was going on there I cannot recommend it enough so

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So if nothing else, go listen to that.

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To defend my position.

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Blu-ray making of Electric Ladyland, which was very good. It was the original,

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what do you call this, classic rock series,

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but with 40 additional minutes.

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And then just lastly, I'll add that I just watched the,

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there's a new documentary out called Electric Ladyland,

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The Making of a Dream or something like that, and it's about the actual studio.

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And I highly recommend that documentary.

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I'm so sad they shut it down.

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I didn't know it had been shut down.

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Really?

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I,

02:02:28.120 --> 02:02:28.220
I,

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I, my understanding was they were closing Electric Ladyland and tearing it down.

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Let me, uh,

02:02:34.700 --> 02:02:35.940
and even tearing it down.

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I hope that's not true.

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It may be true. I mean,

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they may have fallen on hard times in the internet world.

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Uh,

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okay.

02:02:49.260 --> 02:02:49.380
Nope.

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Still active.

02:02:50.670 --> 02:02:50.960
I guess.

02:02:51.020 --> 02:02:55.980
Maybe it was a like it might happen kind of thing because I was all like you can't tear down

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Electric Lady in a studio.

02:02:57.800 --> 02:02:59.720
Maybe you're thinking of Sound Factory though.

02:02:59.960 --> 02:03:01.580
No no it's definitely Electric Lady.

02:03:01.740 --> 02:03:01.940
Okay.

02:03:02.440 --> 02:03:14.540
Well anyway and I just can't say enough about how I don't know why but I don't think Hendrix is just like you know selling he's not flying off the shelves right now and so I got these both for a very reasonable price on Amazon.

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There is one for are you experienced.

02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:21.000
I don't think it's

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It's a 45-speed version of the whole record, so I think it's more of just a high-quality thing. But it does come in a box. I'm going to get that one, too. But anyway,

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highly recommend it.

02:03:31.340 --> 02:03:38.920
And if nothing else, check out those documentaries and listen to Jimi Hendrix's demos from Electric Ladyland,

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the studio album,

02:03:40.410 --> 02:03:41.820
and I promise it'll break your heart.

02:03:42.080 --> 02:03:42.520
Awesome.

02:03:42.700 --> 02:03:44.080
So I am not wrong,

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just to say.

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In the early,

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late 2000s, it wasn't in danger of being closed.

02:03:51.680 --> 02:03:55.260
But some guy named Keith Stoltz, who is obviously a god,

02:03:57.400 --> 02:03:59.160
and Lee Foster,

02:03:59.460 --> 02:04:09.100
they, in around 2010 or so, managed to fund a massive multi-year renovation and keep it open.

02:04:09.260 --> 02:04:09.400
So,

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yes. There's a lot of his original ideas are still in there as far as, like, the construction goes and all that.

02:04:15.620 --> 02:04:20.920
And, by the way, actually one other offshoot that I'll just mention is having watched both the Electric Lady Land,

02:04:21.960 --> 02:04:48.800
making of the album doc and then also the studio doc which is a very different thing eddie kramer is the nicest guy i mean what a nice guy dude i mean you guys have seen him interviews right sure yeah he just comes across as so sweet and humble and to hear him tell stories about hendrix that are never overblown and he never tries to put himself in the center of the story it's just great you know i think he's he must be a pretty good dude so he's not bob rock

02:04:50.080 --> 02:04:51.440
So he's not playing Deed.

02:04:52.100 --> 02:04:52.500
Yeah.

02:04:53.020 --> 02:04:53.720
And also,

02:04:54.020 --> 02:04:55.160
he was Hendrix's go-to guy.

02:04:55.320 --> 02:05:07.700
Can you imagine if you were there from the beginning and you were basically responsible technically for every one of those records and were friends with that guy and got to make suggestions and stuff? I mean, he got that guy.

02:05:08.260 --> 02:05:10.120
He's heard more Hendrix than the rest of us.

02:05:10.300 --> 02:05:10.780
Let's put it that way.

02:05:11.020 --> 02:05:11.420
Yeah.

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You know,

02:05:12.220 --> 02:05:14.640
to back up my,

02:05:14.800 --> 02:05:14.860
oh,

02:05:15.020 --> 02:05:17.220
I don't like all these extra bonus tracks,

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demo tracks, blah, blah, blah.

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albums because it messes up my Spotify playlists was the thing that I was complaining about.

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But when it comes to Hendrix,

02:05:28.840 --> 02:05:34.740
especially given the small catalog of work that he had before he passed,

02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:37.140
anything is gold.

02:05:37.860 --> 02:05:40.240
And he does something interesting in everything he does.

02:05:40.500 --> 02:05:41.220
You know,

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I mean, there's a great,

02:05:42.660 --> 02:05:44.500
the great unreleased record was,

02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:48.520
which was called First Race of the New Rising Sun or something to that effect.

02:05:48.580 --> 02:05:50.380
That thing's been released so many times.

02:05:50.720 --> 02:05:50.940
It has.

02:05:51.440 --> 02:05:51.940
No, no.

02:05:52.140 --> 02:05:53.920
It was after that. After Band of Gypsies.

02:05:54.100 --> 02:06:00.280
But it was just as cool as... I mean, he had so many... He does something interesting in every song.

02:06:01.200 --> 02:06:03.820
Jay, that thing's been released like four or five times.

02:06:04.100 --> 02:06:04.640
Under different names.

02:06:04.800 --> 02:06:08.860
Slightly different song lists. It's got Easy Rider and Freedom on there.

02:06:09.160 --> 02:06:12.640
And a song called In From the Storm, which is one of my favorite songs.

02:06:13.040 --> 02:06:17.000
And then on that Berklee show, there's a song called... That Berklee show's so good.

02:06:18.580 --> 02:06:19.920
What's Up With Called Pass It On?

02:06:20.360 --> 02:06:25.460
Which actually turned out to be a different song, which is on the new Rays of the Rising Sun thing.

02:06:26.000 --> 02:06:28.740
But it's so the version on the Berklee show is so much better.

02:06:30.140 --> 02:06:30.800
But yeah,

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Hendrix, man, he just was he was endlessly creative,

02:06:33.660 --> 02:06:33.900
you know,

02:06:34.660 --> 02:06:37.720
that was one of the biggest tragedies in music history.

02:06:37.940 --> 02:06:38.080
Oh,

02:06:38.320 --> 02:06:38.420
terrible,

02:06:38.940 --> 02:06:39.080
terrible.

02:06:39.300 --> 02:06:39.840
And I well,

02:06:40.000 --> 02:06:43.200
again, I think we should do an episode because I agree. I'm just obsessively.

02:06:43.440 --> 02:06:48.560
He's kind of my current black hole that I can't get out of, you know, and

02:06:48.600 --> 02:06:55.740
Yeah, when I was in my mid-20s, I went through a massive Hendrix phase.

02:06:56.400 --> 02:06:59.600
I read the book Kiss the Sky. No,

02:06:59.780 --> 02:07:01.620
Kiss the Sky. I think it was Kiss the Sky. Probably.

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Yeah.

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I was just like, because I was a guitar player and I was like, I must worship at the altar of Hendrix.

02:07:09.540 --> 02:07:12.140
You can write him off, though.

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If you're just like, oh, I want to check out Cluster Crack and you hear Fire and a couple other tunes,

02:07:17.700 --> 02:07:47.680
and he's like okay i get it no you don't you got to put them all on and listen to him and then you'll see why hendrix's thumb has more talent yeah than i have ever had agreed the next two of us but and it's still just the one thumb he doesn't even in the second thumb for me it's just the one thumb more talent than both of us here you go jay jay this is the first show from new york with machine gun the band of gypsies show yeah but it's called

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I'm just looking at all like my extras not from the first three shows our first three

02:07:52.120 --> 02:08:00.180
what did that come out of I've just got so much band of gypsies expanded thing no no this is just the first show

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it's so what is it part of is it just released by as its own it's just they released the single

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so for the band of gypsies there's four shows two one night to the next night this is just the first

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of the four shows as a single disc.

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And it's the whole show.

02:08:17.680 --> 02:08:18.120
Okay.

02:08:18.600 --> 02:08:18.780
Yeah.

02:08:19.200 --> 02:08:20.440
There's just so much.

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And like we were saying,

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he's got like three or four different versions of the posthumous stuff that was released that has all these other really cool tunes that Band of Gypsy's influence, but they're still, you know, in his vein,

02:08:37.560 --> 02:08:38.320
like Easy Rider.

02:08:38.760 --> 02:08:40.440
If you don't know the song Easy Rider,

02:08:40.600 --> 02:08:43.760
you got to get on that. If you're a Hendrix fan.

02:08:43.820 --> 02:08:44.580
Yeah,

02:08:44.820 --> 02:08:45.780
it's a great song.

02:08:45.990 --> 02:08:52.300
And it's... He also became a better singer towards the end. He was always a great singer. But at the end,

02:08:52.460 --> 02:08:55.120
he was really coming along,

02:08:55.300 --> 02:08:55.440
man.

02:08:55.660 --> 02:08:58.000
Oh, I forgot Dolly Dagger is another cool tune.

02:08:58.160 --> 02:08:59.680
Yeah, they talk about that.

02:09:00.200 --> 02:09:06.660
Eddie Kramer breaks those down in the doc about the studio.

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Here you go, Jay.

02:09:08.320 --> 02:09:11.700
I mean, they pulled Dolly Dagger out and gave it the treatment.

02:09:12.960 --> 02:09:13.580
Get this.

02:09:13.720 --> 02:09:14.260
if you don't have it.

02:09:14.580 --> 02:09:16.220
I have the Rainbow Bridge,

02:09:16.420 --> 02:09:17.700
yeah. Rainbow Bridge is so good.

02:09:19.720 --> 02:09:27.900
And it's not because I think he's a super great guitarist. I just think he was his inventiveness of playing guitar was what made it cool. Deeply,

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yeah. Yeah.

02:09:29.260 --> 02:09:29.360
So,

02:09:29.840 --> 02:09:31.760
I mean, guys today could run circles around him,

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technically.

02:09:32.720 --> 02:09:35.600
Sure. Yeah, but what if he had lived? I mean,

02:09:35.780 --> 02:09:39.940
you know, I've often thought about, like, Lennon and what he would have done,

02:09:40.100 --> 02:09:41.660
but what would have Hendrix done?

02:09:42.020 --> 02:09:43.640
He would have gone farther than any of them.

02:09:43.700 --> 02:10:13.680
I mean I don't know about guitar and I'm not talking about the technical aspect I I would I would never want to do this to anybody but I often think boy I wish I could sit somebody down and walk them through what I'm hearing here and so my point is is that like if you really start with are you experienced and go through all the way up through the new right new rays of the rising sun and um and see how much modern rock he's kind of responsible for and then listen to four different versions of machine gun and see how he changes his mind when he's doing things tonally and and he's walking up

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a certain pattern and then suddenly does something you've never heard him do before.

02:10:18.020 --> 02:10:18.100
I,

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there was so much,

02:10:20.220 --> 02:10:22.600
he just never stopped. I mean, there was no, there was so much left in him.

02:10:22.780 --> 02:10:23.580
I'm sure of it. Yeah.

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It's ridiculous where he could have gone.

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There's only one thing I would have wanted to see is him and Stevie Ray Vaughan on stage together doing voodoo child.

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Cause there's only one guitarist that's been able to play that song just as good, if not better as Stevie Ray Vaughan.

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Keep talking.

02:10:41.020 --> 02:10:43.260
Which by the way, that's something we were robbed of is,

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He was widely open to collaborations and stuff.

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I did just find out, by the way,

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John,

02:10:48.850 --> 02:10:52.540
do you know who plays keys on, or I should say him in Oregon,

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on Voodoo Child, not Slight Return,

02:10:54.940 --> 02:10:56.580
but the Voodoo Child, the Big Blues, Bust Up?

02:10:58.360 --> 02:10:58.820
Remind me.

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Steve Winwood.

02:11:00.460 --> 02:11:02.540
That's what I thought, yeah. And they talk about,

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there's a point in the studio,

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or in the making of that record documentary, that one, and they're interviewing him,

02:11:09.920 --> 02:11:10.660
and he wanted,

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he kept saying, do you think Steve Wood would join? He wouldn't want to play with us.

02:11:13.700 --> 02:11:17.940
Do you think he joined our band? He'd never want to play with us. He was like scared of Steve Winner for some reason.

02:11:18.730 --> 02:11:23.780
But he wanted to collaborate with people. So that's the other thing is he would have played with Stevie Ray and he would play with a bunch of other.

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Can you imagine those guys playing?

02:11:25.640 --> 02:11:31.160
I mean, bringing this back to the topic of this episode.

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What would Hendrix have done in the 80s?

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I mean,

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he would have been so,

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you know,

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late 60s was his,

02:11:41.720 --> 02:11:42.040
you know,

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when he came on.

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of things.

02:11:44.510 --> 02:11:47.460
So by like early 80s, he would have been,

02:11:47.660 --> 02:11:47.920
you know,

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a new veteran of the scene.

02:11:50.950 --> 02:11:58.160
What would he have done in the 80s? I always wondered if he would have had like any cringeworthy albums,

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like a disco album or something like that.

02:12:01.400 --> 02:12:04.360
Disco, I don't know, but he would have done some stuff he would have been embarrassed by.

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But I would float that in the 80s.

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I think he would have been Jeff Beck adjacent.

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Like that level of his career would have been like,

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that wouldn't be huge people would be like yeah hendrix you know you would everybody would know who he was but he would have been doing these sort of slightly avant-garde right he wouldn't have been like pop you know on the pop charts he would have been doing behind the scenes stuff and you know what now i don't know because the guy could write a hit too he really could and i don't know that's just it i'll never know how many beck hendrix collaborations will we have had holy smokes and i honestly do think that would have

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That would have been one of his go-to guys.

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And then you could probably pick out some cool bass players that he would want him to play with.

02:12:52.100 --> 02:12:52.940
Buddy Guy?

02:12:53.300 --> 02:12:53.940
Oh, my goodness.

02:12:54.220 --> 02:12:55.320
Unless Claypool.

02:12:55.800 --> 02:12:57.980
He would have gotten to the fusion thing for sure.

02:12:58.300 --> 02:13:00.780
Oh, he was already doing it. He was setting down that house. Yeah, he was.

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That's fair. Yeah.

02:13:02.760 --> 02:13:11.420
So I think his career would have gone towards John McLaughlin and those guys, and he would have been that guy who sold a couple million records. That would be the cleaned up Jimi Hendrix.

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What's that? That would have been the rehab Jimi Hendrix.

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He would have cleaned up,

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started putting on some nicer clothes,

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no more of those hippie clothes.

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And he would have gotten into Fusion then because he's like, well,

02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:25.540
man, I'm all cleaned up. Now I got to play like these guys.

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Or Ultimate Universe,

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he could have had a Clapton-like career,

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I guess.

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He would have been Clapton-like. Stylistically,

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but I think maybe he could have had some top 40 hits here and there and stuff.

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Might have.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like I say, if you go back and listen to

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to his catalog,

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all that sounds possible to me, you know?

02:13:46.820 --> 02:13:47.180
Yeah.

02:13:47.540 --> 02:13:48.120
I'm like,

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just thinking about it. It's like, wow,

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I can see this reality,

02:13:55.430 --> 02:13:56.540
you know? And I'm like, oh, yeah.

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I can too, but I've been spending way too much time with him lately, but I also just think you can, he was so forward thinking at the time,

02:14:04.480 --> 02:14:08.760
let's put it that way. And I can hear things that are very much would have been friendly on the radio right now.

02:14:09.660 --> 02:14:10.020
Yeah.

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I mean, I'm not talking about,

02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:12.320
you know,

02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:14.980
Purple Haze or anything,

02:14:15.160 --> 02:14:23.040
but you know what I mean? There's tons of stuff that... The New Rays of the Rising Sun, if you haven't listened to that one, George, listen to it. That was basically the record that was about to come out.

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But you know, people cut down on their prime like this. You think everybody's like, oh man,

02:14:30.540 --> 02:14:30.940
the potential,

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the potential.

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But you know, most of the people that were big in the late 60s,

02:14:36.820 --> 02:14:39.320
by the 80s... Oh,

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Janice would have lost their voice.

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They had a touch of gray,

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you know?

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You know,

02:14:44.640 --> 02:14:46.040
it was like,

02:14:46.260 --> 02:14:46.360
eh,

02:14:46.620 --> 02:14:48.880
or it was, you know, we built this city,

02:14:49.280 --> 02:14:49.460
or,

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you know.

02:14:50.940 --> 02:14:55.540
Or the ones that did die. Jim Morrison was petering out. Janis Joplin's voice was not going to last past 1975.

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Sure.

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But no way.

02:14:57.540 --> 02:14:59.600
It's like, you have to be realistic and go,

02:14:59.800 --> 02:14:59.880
yeah,

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he was amazing for that short period we had.

02:15:04.160 --> 02:15:09.960
But by the time the 80s rolled around, he might have been mediocre,

02:15:10.760 --> 02:15:13.120
or at least, or like certain other people,

02:15:13.300 --> 02:15:15.580
like Clapton and others back.

02:15:16.660 --> 02:15:17.140
Good,

02:15:17.320 --> 02:15:18.220
but not commercial.

02:15:19.860 --> 02:15:33.460
Or he may have transcended the whole commercial thing to this amazing music that the commercial listener just doesn't get and doing this wild, crazy stuff that was amazing,

02:15:33.720 --> 02:15:34.640
but nobody knew about.

02:15:36.260 --> 02:15:37.180
I mean,

02:15:37.420 --> 02:15:40.700
well, okay, so here's the other thing. If you listen to Electric Ladyland,

02:15:40.860 --> 02:15:42.900
well, all of them, but if you listen to Electric Ladyland,

02:15:43.300 --> 02:15:45.440
You can see how he used the studio as an instrument,

02:15:45.680 --> 02:15:45.820
too.

02:15:47.340 --> 02:15:52.600
It's almost Nine Inch Nails-like in the way he mixed it with voices coming in and out and all kinds of stuff.

02:15:53.260 --> 02:15:56.240
I don't know. I just think the guy loved music so much,

02:15:56.400 --> 02:15:57.780
had infinite ideas,

02:15:58.260 --> 02:15:59.700
and always was going to come up with something new.

02:15:59.840 --> 02:16:01.420
But what it would look like, I don't know.

02:16:01.430 --> 02:16:05.120
But I think he had enough love for music to have not gotten too plastic anywhere.

02:16:05.820 --> 02:16:07.060
I mean, he really didn't give a shit.

02:16:07.340 --> 02:16:07.440
Yeah.

02:16:10.860 --> 02:16:12.520
You know what? Here's why I know that.

02:16:12.580 --> 02:16:13.880
And that's because just like Elvis,

02:16:15.040 --> 02:16:18.560
and I was in that and one of these documentaries I was talking about when he used to go on tour.

02:16:21.120 --> 02:16:23.840
He that's the they would he would play the show.

02:16:24.360 --> 02:16:26.520
And then they would go out and play in a bar all night long.

02:16:27.820 --> 02:16:28.120
He play,

02:16:29.700 --> 02:16:30.060
you know,

02:16:31.400 --> 02:16:32.820
some big place in Los Angeles,

02:16:33.219 --> 02:16:34.260
like the Hollywood Bowl.

02:16:34.760 --> 02:16:35.519
And then literally,

02:16:35.880 --> 02:16:39.219
he'd be like, does anybody want to go out and play? You guys want to go find a bar where we can play?

02:16:39.719 --> 02:16:41.880
And he would just find people to play with. That's all he wanted to do.

02:16:42.320 --> 02:16:42.380
Yeah.

02:16:44.399 --> 02:16:44.840
Well,

02:16:45.160 --> 02:16:45.320
anyway.

02:16:46.939 --> 02:16:49.760
Yeah, you guys really gave me a lot of latitude there, but

02:16:50.019 --> 02:16:52.960
that was my two cents of what's going on in Jay's musical life right now.

02:16:53.370 --> 02:16:53.719
All right.

02:16:54.360 --> 02:16:55.559
Some show reports and stuff.

02:16:56.219 --> 02:16:56.320
Yeah.

02:16:56.599 --> 02:16:57.099
All right. So

02:16:58.719 --> 02:17:01.420
who's been to shows? I know there's been certain

02:17:01.599 --> 02:17:02.960
thing in Atlanta recently.

02:17:04.500 --> 02:17:05.599
I'm going to grab a coffee real quick.

02:17:07.179 --> 02:17:08.540
Yeah, there might have been some shows in Atlanta.

02:17:11.260 --> 02:17:11.519
So,

02:17:14.160 --> 02:17:16.139
real quick, I don't want to forget this, because I don't know,

02:17:16.400 --> 02:17:18.540
I talked about, I don't think I talked about this real quick.

02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:21.139
I know TR also saw this show.

02:17:21.380 --> 02:17:27.639
Simon Phillips and his jazz fusion band protocol did a few dates,

02:17:27.960 --> 02:17:30.400
like 10 dates, I think, total in the States,

02:17:30.679 --> 02:17:34.960
but we were fortunate enough to get a whole bunch on the East Coast and saw them.

02:17:35.240 --> 02:17:36.240
I don't want to forget that.

02:17:37.679 --> 02:17:39.260
It was a 90-minute set.

02:17:39.660 --> 02:17:41.019
They went on at 7 o'clock,

02:17:41.099 --> 02:17:42.440
and we're done by 8 30. I was like,

02:17:42.660 --> 02:17:45.400
this is like the greatest night ever.

02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:48.679
Old man music.

02:17:49.580 --> 02:17:49.860
Yeah.

02:17:50.260 --> 02:17:50.400
No,

02:17:50.719 --> 02:17:51.660
old man setting.

02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:52.519
Yeah.

02:17:52.740 --> 02:17:52.860
Yeah.

02:17:53.740 --> 02:17:55.300
Cause the music was killer,

02:17:55.469 --> 02:17:55.860
dude. Yeah.

02:17:56.200 --> 02:17:56.719
It's just awesome.

02:17:57.019 --> 02:17:59.639
His band is so good. If you don't know who Simon Phillips is,

02:17:59.820 --> 02:18:00.040
he's,

02:18:01.320 --> 02:18:07.620
he's one of the greatest drummers ever. I know I said that about Terry Bozio. I, I think even more highly of Simon Phillips.

02:18:08.429 --> 02:18:08.559
Um,

02:18:09.580 --> 02:18:11.019
just a great show.

02:18:11.099 --> 02:18:12.679
of Jazz Fusion done in 90 minutes.

02:18:13.080 --> 02:18:14.240
They only played like nine songs.

02:18:15.219 --> 02:18:16.280
And then they came out afterwards.

02:18:16.760 --> 02:18:22.320
I think I was out of there by like 9.15 and I was as happy as a clam because I got to meet him,

02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:24.679
you know, because I'd never met him before.

02:18:24.840 --> 02:18:28.300
And I know, TR, you saw the show,

02:18:28.580 --> 02:18:30.900
I think a week or maybe two weeks before me.

02:18:31.099 --> 02:18:34.099
I mean, maybe a week. And it's just so good.

02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:36.099
And I've been a fan of his,

02:18:37.420 --> 02:18:37.639
you know,

02:18:37.820 --> 02:18:40.940
I go back to the 80s when I'm a fan of him.

02:18:41.080 --> 02:18:41.620
You know,

02:18:41.840 --> 02:18:45.460
that's no joke. Actually, I've been a fan of Simon Phillips since the 80s.

02:18:46.880 --> 02:18:48.719
But I love his solo work. I think it's awesome.

02:18:48.870 --> 02:18:48.980
So.

02:18:51.019 --> 02:18:51.460
Yeah,

02:18:52.190 --> 02:18:53.260
I enjoyed that show.

02:18:53.740 --> 02:18:55.320
And his band was amazing.

02:18:56.730 --> 02:19:09.460
I saw him up at Sellersville because I couldn't I couldn't do the Baltimore show with you, which I wanted to be there with you because I really would have enjoyed seeing him with with you because I know how much of a fan you are of him.

02:19:10.740 --> 02:19:14.240
But I went with my buddy Alex up to the Sellersville show,

02:19:14.440 --> 02:19:14.559
like,

02:19:15.120 --> 02:19:18.719
probably almost a week before the Baltimore show, I think.

02:19:19.780 --> 02:19:20.059
And,

02:19:20.320 --> 02:19:21.019
yeah, it was great.

02:19:21.240 --> 02:19:33.340
And like you said, they came out afterwards and signed stuff. And just they were it was just so cool. I mean, they just were so nice to everybody and gave everybody the time,

02:19:35.179 --> 02:19:38.580
which was really I mean, they didn't have to do that. Right.

02:19:38.700 --> 02:19:41.120
But it was nice that they did.

02:19:41.580 --> 02:19:43.599
So yeah, that was a great show.

02:19:43.800 --> 02:19:52.540
And I'm really glad I got to see him because I know he's toured in the past and he's done some protocol tours.

02:19:52.920 --> 02:19:58.960
But I don't know, for whatever reason, I just never saw him until this time. And I'm so glad I did.

02:20:00.060 --> 02:20:07.620
I will say when I met him and talked to him and all within seconds racing through my mind, I'm like,

02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:10.980
This is the dude who played with Judas Priest.

02:20:11.600 --> 02:20:13.280
He played with Pete Townsend.

02:20:13.640 --> 02:20:14.940
He played with The Who.

02:20:15.500 --> 02:20:16.740
And he played with Toto.

02:20:17.720 --> 02:20:19.540
And I'm talking to him right now.

02:20:19.720 --> 02:20:20.520
This is so cool.

02:20:20.880 --> 02:20:21.140
Yeah.

02:20:21.400 --> 02:20:21.680
So,

02:20:22.620 --> 02:20:22.720
anyway.

02:20:24.440 --> 02:20:31.000
I won't spend much time on this. I don't know how much time you want to spend here. But we both just went to Atlanta to see Prog Power.

02:20:32.560 --> 02:20:32.820
25,

02:20:33.400 --> 02:20:38.320
which was the last year for the longtime promoter, Glenn Harveston.

02:20:38.360 --> 02:20:40.200
who is retired from promoting the Fest.

02:20:40.400 --> 02:20:45.860
He's handed over the reins to a new person to go forward. He was going to actually retire it completely,

02:20:46.060 --> 02:20:50.220
but he felt confident that Milton would do a good job taking over.

02:20:51.360 --> 02:20:53.000
And I wish him the best.

02:20:53.220 --> 02:21:01.260
I'm still going to stick around for it. We'll see how going forward. But Glenn always seemed to find a way to do wonders with the Fest.

02:21:01.860 --> 02:21:04.440
I'll just mention some bands real quick that we saw.

02:21:04.620 --> 02:21:06.620
T.R., I'll let you add on to that also.

02:21:10.539 --> 02:21:11.020
performances,

02:21:11.680 --> 02:21:12.720
whether you liked them or not,

02:21:12.900 --> 02:21:18.940
because I know Tiara's not a huge Voyager fan, but I'm glad he got to see them because they are not like anything else you'll see.

02:21:19.540 --> 02:21:26.380
Plus, we got a whole hour of stage four cancer with that band,

02:21:26.740 --> 02:21:27.240
because the singer,

02:21:27.440 --> 02:21:28.640
surprisingly,

02:21:28.900 --> 02:21:30.620
has stage four cancer,

02:21:30.800 --> 02:21:31.940
and he's still playing.

02:21:32.520 --> 02:21:35.360
He's even admitted he's lucky to be alive, but they just,

02:21:35.700 --> 02:21:37.720
the whole, it was more just a,

02:21:38.360 --> 02:21:39.960
The Crowd was so into them,

02:21:40.160 --> 02:21:40.940
which was good to see.

02:21:41.430 --> 02:21:45.560
But we saw Ashes of Aries, which absolutely just destroyed their set.

02:21:46.580 --> 02:21:48.400
If you still listen to Ice Earth,

02:21:48.700 --> 02:21:51.020
they did the Dark Saga album, I think.

02:21:51.270 --> 02:21:55.980
And it was just insane how good Matt Barlow is still alive.

02:21:56.520 --> 02:21:59.180
Absolutely insane how good he is. He was so good.

02:21:59.440 --> 02:22:02.540
That was a true highlight for me.

02:22:02.720 --> 02:22:03.040
Yeah.

02:22:03.390 --> 02:22:05.080
And it's his band. So Freddie,

02:22:05.380 --> 02:22:07.460
who was with him also in Ice Earth for a little bit.

02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:08.860
That was good.

02:22:09.020 --> 02:22:16.660
We saw Conception, who actually played twice because they filled in for a spot that literally had to cancel like three or four days before the fest.

02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:18.380
So they played two sets.

02:22:18.620 --> 02:22:19.300
So that was awesome.

02:22:19.680 --> 02:22:20.860
Saw the band Threshold.

02:22:21.240 --> 02:22:24.460
We saw TR's brothers from another mother fires in the distance,

02:22:24.640 --> 02:22:26.060
which was very cool to see them.

02:22:27.220 --> 02:22:30.940
The Reticent depressed everybody again for an hour,

02:22:31.980 --> 02:22:32.680
but they were awesome.

02:22:33.640 --> 02:22:38.220
Crimson Glory was great, but they kind of played a standard set. I was hoping for more new stuff.

02:22:38.380 --> 02:22:39.720
They didn't give it to us, but that's fine.

02:22:40.620 --> 02:22:40.940
DGM.

02:22:41.960 --> 02:22:46.860
Roy Kahn from Conception performed a Camelot album,

02:22:47.080 --> 02:22:47.720
The Black Halo.

02:22:48.420 --> 02:22:49.880
So people were into that.

02:22:50.660 --> 02:22:52.240
Redemption played,

02:22:52.680 --> 02:22:57.640
and then this might be the best show I've ever seen in my life.

02:22:58.860 --> 02:23:01.540
I'm not hyping that. It's not recency bias.

02:23:02.220 --> 02:23:06.360
The Gathering played with Annika back in the band,

02:23:06.800 --> 02:23:08.340
and the full band

02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.620
that played on the album, Mandillion.

02:23:10.840 --> 02:23:12.360
They did the 30th anniversary,

02:23:12.720 --> 02:23:14.920
and this is one of the last shows they're doing for that album.

02:23:16.320 --> 02:23:25.440
And it was just... I can't even say enough about that set. I was gleaming like a little schoolboy for like a week after that show.

02:23:25.780 --> 02:23:27.020
Like a little girl?

02:23:27.340 --> 02:23:30.940
I was so happy. And it was, you know, okay, yeah.

02:23:31.700 --> 02:23:32.580
It was Annika.

02:23:32.820 --> 02:23:33.020
Okay.

02:23:33.220 --> 02:23:33.940
I'm not going to lie to you.

02:23:34.240 --> 02:23:37.240
But to see everyone who was on that album there.

02:23:37.739 --> 02:23:38.520
And I believe,

02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:39.300
you know,

02:23:40.340 --> 02:23:42.120
five of the people, they were all original members,

02:23:42.540 --> 02:23:43.100
you know, or at least,

02:23:43.480 --> 02:23:43.640
you know,

02:23:44.220 --> 02:23:46.860
up to that point, they had all played on the albums. And so it just,

02:23:47.060 --> 02:23:57.220
it was a great fest. We had a good time. We didn't have much to do because we had such tight schedules. We watched a lot of bands that we wouldn't have watched, but we watched them anyway,

02:23:57.400 --> 02:23:58.760
because we had to keep our seats.

02:23:59.310 --> 02:24:00.680
We got to hang out with our friends,

02:24:00.880 --> 02:24:01.540
Julian Lance,

02:24:02.100 --> 02:24:06.540
who are listeners of both podcasts and have been going to Prague Power for a while.

02:24:07.340 --> 02:24:09.200
So it was cool.

02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:10.000
We had a good time.

02:24:10.480 --> 02:24:10.880
Nice.

02:24:12.820 --> 02:24:16.680
I don't have much to add because you hit all the highlights for me.

02:24:17.080 --> 02:24:20.940
And yeah, it was definitely a good time down there in Atlanta.

02:24:22.580 --> 02:24:35.000
Like you said, we were we were really kind of because there were so many bands that we did want to see and so many other things that we did want to see, like Glenn's Goodbye and various other things that,

02:24:35.220 --> 02:24:37.260
you know, it's like you need to be in your seats for that.

02:24:38.859 --> 02:24:43.800
We kind of didn't really have the time that we normally would have.

02:24:44.900 --> 02:24:45.020
Where,

02:24:45.280 --> 02:24:45.900
you know,

02:24:46.140 --> 02:24:47.440
sometimes at Prog Power,

02:24:47.680 --> 02:25:00.100
there's some bands that you're like, eh, I don't really need to see these guys. And so you kind of go off and do some things before the band you want to really see. And so we didn't have as much of that kind of time this time.

02:25:00.940 --> 02:25:06.680
Because there were so many good bands and so many things that we wanted to be kind of present for.

02:25:06.960 --> 02:25:11.820
So we were in the theater for quite a bit of it.

02:25:13.180 --> 02:25:14.300
But yeah, it was a good time.

02:25:14.680 --> 02:25:17.480
And yeah,

02:25:17.640 --> 02:25:19.900
you pretty much hit all the highlights for me.

02:25:20.080 --> 02:25:20.200
Absolutely.

02:25:20.880 --> 02:25:23.940
We might have had a few beers at the Brickstore Pub.

02:25:24.700 --> 02:25:25.180
Yeah,

02:25:25.480 --> 02:25:26.220
Brickstore Pub.

02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:29.840
We're always going to go there. That's why we get there a day early.

02:25:30.420 --> 02:25:30.580
Yeah.

02:25:31.300 --> 02:25:36.660
We still went for our coffee and booze at like 10. Oh yeah, Cafe Intermezzo.

02:25:36.940 --> 02:25:39.440
Still did that you know so it's good it's good

02:25:41.100 --> 02:25:41.320
All right,

02:25:41.540 --> 02:25:45.900
one last show real quick and I'll I don't want to steal too much stunner as TR was there too

02:25:46.060 --> 02:25:51.860
We both went and Jen came along to and bought shirts herself to mm-hmm. It was amazing

02:25:52.320 --> 02:25:56.260
So Russian Cleveland. I finally was able to redeem Dallas Fort Worth

02:25:57.280 --> 02:25:57.620
Yes

02:25:58.900 --> 02:25:59.360
It was great,

02:25:59.740 --> 02:26:00.420
you know, and just

02:26:02.040 --> 02:26:02.400
Jay,

02:26:02.660 --> 02:26:03.380
if you get a chance,

02:26:03.700 --> 02:26:04.080
I know George,

02:26:04.240 --> 02:26:05.380
you're going to go here in DC.

02:26:06.020 --> 02:26:07.120
You got to go Jay.

02:26:07.550 --> 02:26:10.800
I am going to Phoenix around Christmas time.

02:26:11.140 --> 02:26:11.340
Nice.

02:26:11.840 --> 02:26:12.060
Yes.

02:26:13.000 --> 02:26:13.140
Yeah.

02:26:13.430 --> 02:26:13.840
It just,

02:26:14.180 --> 02:26:14.960
they're going to love it.

02:26:15.680 --> 02:26:16.720
Merry rushmas.

02:26:17.790 --> 02:26:19.800
I can't even describe how,

02:26:20.060 --> 02:26:20.320
uh,

02:26:21.440 --> 02:26:23.220
just to see how much fun they're having on stage.

02:26:23.540 --> 02:26:23.720
And they,

02:26:24.220 --> 02:26:26.500
I've never heard them talk so much on stage ever.

02:26:26.780 --> 02:26:27.240
Oh my.

02:26:27.720 --> 02:26:28.360
You know,

02:26:28.580 --> 02:26:28.840
and,

02:26:30.480 --> 02:26:30.540
uh,

02:26:30.720 --> 02:26:31.040
Anika,

02:26:31.480 --> 02:26:31.980
Anika, how have you?

02:26:32.040 --> 02:26:37.240
I think she's got the same name just spelled differently as Annika from The Gathering. She just... Boing.

02:26:37.400 --> 02:26:39.300
She's a powerhouse on drums.

02:26:39.640 --> 02:26:39.860
Yeah.

02:26:40.300 --> 02:26:44.240
The addition of Lauren Gold on keyboards who, by the way, I actually saw him with Chicago.

02:26:44.530 --> 02:26:46.780
He was their keyboard. Oh, yeah. I saw that. It was kind of wild.

02:26:47.280 --> 02:26:47.360
Oh,

02:26:47.520 --> 02:26:52.660
cool. He adds a nice layer to it and the spectacle,

02:26:53.080 --> 02:26:53.560
the show itself,

02:26:53.900 --> 02:26:57.100
is the best they've ever had in the 40 plus years I've been going to see them.

02:26:57.800 --> 02:27:00.100
Well, I'm glad I waited until the best part.

02:27:02.620 --> 02:27:05.100
They're just getting better every show. Yeah,

02:27:05.390 --> 02:27:09.080
they actually are. I mean, it's like they're getting looser and they're just having fun.

02:27:09.330 --> 02:27:14.720
And Annika finally looks like she's like really in the groove and just loving it.

02:27:14.880 --> 02:27:17.540
And like those early shows,

02:27:17.820 --> 02:27:19.200
like she was super focused,

02:27:19.400 --> 02:27:21.620
but now she seems like she's having fun,

02:27:21.800 --> 02:27:21.900
too.

02:27:22.340 --> 02:27:31.900
She's she's screwing up a lot now, which is really funny because she screwed up during the most important moment of any Rush show is the drum bit during Tom Sawyer.

02:27:32.400 --> 02:28:02.000
because every fan's just like is she gonna be able to play it can she do it and i think she dropped the stick during it one of the shows whoops and she just kept going like it was nothing yeah so this calls to mind something that's kind of come up in the chat since at least in the last couple days and john's actually referenced it at least once tonight um if you get a chance there's a nice documentary i don't know why it's available on youtube maybe it was always going to be there but the neil pert no one's disciple yes series out very much worth anybody's

02:28:02.100 --> 02:28:04.280
who's interested in Rush or Neil Peart.

02:28:04.520 --> 02:28:09.140
A lot of cool sort of like history of Neil, who he was, blah, blah, blah. And then they,

02:28:09.330 --> 02:28:09.840
and they,

02:28:10.120 --> 02:28:14.260
throughout it, it's peppered with performances of some of today's more famous,

02:28:14.560 --> 02:28:16.040
you know,

02:28:16.900 --> 02:28:20.320
lauded drummers doing Rush tracks with them.

02:28:20.680 --> 02:28:24.140
And so when John mentioned the Stuart Copeland New World Man,

02:28:24.920 --> 02:28:27.360
that's one that's on there and some other cool stuff.

02:28:27.680 --> 02:28:29.340
It was well put together.

02:28:31.060 --> 02:28:31.880
By the way.

02:28:32.640 --> 02:28:36.440
who did the Rush documentary,

02:28:36.750 --> 02:28:37.620
the top documentary,

02:28:37.860 --> 02:28:37.960
blah,

02:28:38.140 --> 02:28:38.740
so on and so forth.

02:28:39.500 --> 02:28:39.940
Now,

02:28:40.770 --> 02:28:42.520
can somebody explain to me why this is on YouTube?

02:28:42.880 --> 02:28:44.200
Was that always the intention?

02:28:44.840 --> 02:28:46.400
Just a bunch of bootlegs up there.

02:28:47.400 --> 02:28:49.460
Yeah, I'm not sure. It's the only place I've seen it.

02:28:49.640 --> 02:28:50.440
Yeah, me too.

02:28:50.980 --> 02:28:51.820
And it's there.

02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:53.020
Nobody's taking it down.

02:28:53.560 --> 02:28:56.640
Maybe the whole thing is made from AI and it's not even real.

02:28:57.180 --> 02:28:57.540
No,

02:28:57.720 --> 02:28:59.300
this was very real.

02:28:59.760 --> 02:29:00.400
Is it,

02:29:00.560 --> 02:29:00.700
though?

02:29:00.920 --> 02:29:01.940
Is anything real?

02:29:02.060 --> 02:29:03.360
I'm playing drums in there. So it's yeah.

02:29:04.660 --> 02:29:06.060
Pardon me while I eat this steak.

02:29:08.500 --> 02:29:09.440
Yeah. So worth your time,

02:29:09.760 --> 02:29:10.360
by the way, great.

02:29:10.620 --> 02:29:10.960
Since we've.

02:29:11.460 --> 02:29:14.000
Yeah. If you're a Rush fan, you should definitely check that out.

02:29:14.500 --> 02:29:15.440
What if you're not?

02:29:16.160 --> 02:29:16.220
Yeah.

02:29:16.540 --> 02:29:17.440
You should still check it out.

02:29:18.360 --> 02:29:19.080
You'll, you'll,

02:29:19.340 --> 02:29:20.760
you'll actually try Widow's Bay.

02:29:20.940 --> 02:29:22.860
I recommend the series.

02:29:23.240 --> 02:29:25.220
I think you might enjoy that if you're not a Rush fan.

02:29:25.560 --> 02:29:25.660
Yeah.

02:29:25.980 --> 02:29:26.140
Yeah.

02:29:26.480 --> 02:29:32.000
I think you'll gain a new appreciation for Neil and all the elements and aspects of his

02:29:32.040 --> 02:29:33.360
I mean,

02:29:33.660 --> 02:29:36.320
you know, they don't just focus on drums or lyrics.

02:29:37.020 --> 02:29:38.040
They focus on,

02:29:38.320 --> 02:29:38.540
you know,

02:29:39.060 --> 02:29:40.640
literally everything he was.

02:29:41.200 --> 02:29:45.920
He was such a an amazing person in so many aspects.

02:29:46.140 --> 02:29:46.360
And,

02:29:46.600 --> 02:29:47.020
you know,

02:29:47.240 --> 02:29:59.700
like the drummer from Jethro Tull talks about like I could only have certain conversations with him that I couldn't have with anybody else just because he was such a student of everything.

02:30:00.581 --> 02:30:03.080
And that was, I thought, really cool.

02:30:03.420 --> 02:30:04.540
A Renaissance game.

02:30:04.880 --> 02:30:05.400
Yeah,

02:30:05.640 --> 02:30:11.360
exactly. He really was. And I think that that came through on this documentary.

02:30:11.610 --> 02:30:11.760
So,

02:30:12.880 --> 02:30:13.080
you know,

02:30:13.320 --> 02:30:14.220
definitely check it out.

02:30:14.840 --> 02:30:15.920
And it is.

02:30:16.100 --> 02:30:20.280
It's interesting to hear these guys playing Rush,

02:30:20.630 --> 02:30:20.940
you know?

02:30:21.140 --> 02:30:26.440
Like, Stuart Copeland, it's just like, like we said earlier,

02:30:26.640 --> 02:30:29.800
like he's playing the most police-like tune that they ever

02:30:29.820 --> 02:30:30.940
ever played in Rush.

02:30:31.940 --> 02:30:32.700
And it just,

02:30:32.880 --> 02:30:37.160
it's like, well, he came close.

02:30:37.880 --> 02:30:38.040
Anyway.

02:30:38.720 --> 02:30:40.320
Well, Danny Carey one is funny too,

02:30:40.680 --> 02:30:41.540
because they do 12.

02:30:41.880 --> 02:30:43.680
And then he realizes suddenly,

02:30:43.980 --> 02:30:47.960
oh, this is not like four beats of silence between everything.

02:30:48.220 --> 02:30:48.820
It's like four,

02:30:49.020 --> 02:30:49.180
six,

02:30:49.340 --> 02:30:49.500
nine,

02:30:49.780 --> 02:30:49.880
12.

02:30:50.100 --> 02:30:58.320
Which is really funny, because if you've been watching any of the Drumeo stuff where they challenge Mike Portnoy to play Numa,

02:30:59.620 --> 02:31:17.560
Like this is like the pinnacle of like drumming and and even like even Danny Carey is having trouble with the opening to 2112 which I was like I can't believe I'm seeing like I can't believe like he's having trouble with this you know but it's also nerves too they don't want to screw up.

02:31:17.780 --> 02:31:21.080
Yeah sure yeah I mean your heroes are standing in front of you.

02:31:21.340 --> 02:31:29.560
Yeah I can't even imagine like you know sitting down at the drum kit in front of the guys like that inspired you to play music.

02:31:29.660 --> 02:31:59.600
and you're just like oh crap you know i don't want to mess this up so bad you know and it's being filmed on top of it you know like there's like cameras and everything it's just like oh god you know like i don't i want to do this but i don't want to do this there's one really kind of sweet part where they're doing trying to work out 2112 and he's like okay so i think it's in getting knows he's like it's four beats eight beats six beats whatever but anyway then they're playing it and then it screws up

02:31:59.640 --> 02:32:06.760
and and and and and uh getty looks at alex and i think he says something like did i

02:32:06.980 --> 02:32:13.240
screw it up yeah he's like i know i played it right yeah he goes the only thing i know is i'm i'm the only one who played it right yeah

02:32:17.000 --> 02:32:25.181
i'm lost but i'm i'm what is this in what are we watching this is the no one's the documentary okay got it

02:32:25.200 --> 02:32:25.200
It's a documentary,

02:32:25.820 --> 02:32:25.960
yes.

02:32:26.220 --> 02:32:26.600
Got it.

02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:30.900
And it's, again, free on YouTube for the time being.

02:32:31.380 --> 02:32:32.460
It hasn't been pulled down yet.

02:32:32.620 --> 02:32:33.820
And I know it's been up there for several days.

02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:36.620
So you can watch it from start to finish.

02:32:37.380 --> 02:32:37.440
Yeah.

02:32:39.460 --> 02:32:40.920
And it's as good as the other,

02:32:41.200 --> 02:32:46.580
you know, like the other Sam Dunn stuff about Rush and ZD Tom stuff. I mean,

02:32:47.160 --> 02:32:47.260
so.

02:32:47.520 --> 02:32:48.680
I'm glad he's still getting work,

02:32:48.840 --> 02:32:49.460
by the way. Like,

02:32:50.000 --> 02:32:54.360
that could have dried up at some point. But he seems to keep getting some work.

02:32:54.380 --> 02:33:00.380
I was talking with one of the big metal music publications.

02:33:01.260 --> 02:33:03.060
Busy, okay. Yeah, I forget which one.

02:33:04.400 --> 02:33:08.780
I think he did the Triumph one that I told you. He did. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did.

02:33:11.520 --> 02:33:11.920
Well,

02:33:12.420 --> 02:33:14.000
George, I think you have a show to talk about.

02:33:14.840 --> 02:33:15.240
Yes,

02:33:15.620 --> 02:33:24.240
so where are we? Today is the 29th? Eighth, I think.

02:33:24.380 --> 02:33:25.980
20 is the 29th.

02:33:26.440 --> 02:33:28.120
28th was when we should have recorded.

02:33:28.860 --> 02:33:29.960
29th is when we are.

02:33:33.860 --> 02:33:41.040
So the 15th of September was when I was in Hershey,

02:33:41.200 --> 02:33:44.940
Pennsylvania with three of my old,

02:33:45.180 --> 02:33:47.680
old, old friends from Michigan,

02:33:49.520 --> 02:33:49.700
George,

02:33:50.030 --> 02:33:50.960
Dave, and Josh,

02:33:54.380 --> 02:33:56.700
Iron Maiden and Megadeth. Yes.

02:33:57.760 --> 02:34:00.200
At the Hershey Park Stadium.

02:34:01.540 --> 02:34:07.380
So a few days prior to this show,

02:34:07.670 --> 02:34:12.780
Iron Maiden and Megadeth had played at Jiffy Lube Live in Bristow, Virginia,

02:34:13.340 --> 02:34:16.920
the much closer venue to me.

02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:22.000
But based on past experience,

02:34:22.190 --> 02:34:22.780
I knew.

02:34:24.380 --> 02:34:30.780
Jiffy Lube is a mother to try to get to and park for before a show.

02:34:31.860 --> 02:34:32.960
And I was like, I don't want to go there.

02:34:33.460 --> 02:34:33.900
Hershey,

02:34:34.080 --> 02:34:36.360
it's a big stadium,

02:34:36.740 --> 02:34:39.520
but it's probably like half the size of Jiffy Lube.

02:34:40.300 --> 02:34:46.260
And I was like, would I want to see Iron Maiden in a massive venue that I can't get into to park?

02:34:47.210 --> 02:34:52.880
Or would I like to go there and see them in a much smaller venue? I mean, with your friends.

02:34:52.900 --> 02:34:54.540
Yeah, with my friends.

02:34:54.760 --> 02:34:55.720
And get chocolate.

02:34:56.040 --> 02:34:56.500
Yeah.

02:34:56.810 --> 02:34:58.060
I didn't get any chocolate,

02:34:58.310 --> 02:34:58.460
actually.

02:34:58.720 --> 02:34:58.900
Yeah.

02:35:00.000 --> 02:35:00.520
But,

02:35:00.700 --> 02:35:07.000
I mean, I have seen Iron Maiden in Harpo's in Detroit. That's the smallest venue you're ever going to see Iron Maiden in.

02:35:07.530 --> 02:35:09.420
But that was during the Blaze period.

02:35:10.900 --> 02:35:12.360
But, anyway,

02:35:12.620 --> 02:35:19.020
last year I saw Slayer at the Hershey Park Stadium with Justin and Nick.

02:35:19.960 --> 02:35:20.100
And,

02:35:21.120 --> 02:35:21.200
yeah,

02:35:21.360 --> 02:35:22.600
Justin and Nick.

02:35:23.060 --> 02:35:30.360
And let's just say that was a story and an ordeal.

02:35:31.480 --> 02:35:32.060
Great show.

02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:35.900
Also part of why I decided to come back for Maiden.

02:35:36.940 --> 02:35:40.460
So my boys from Michigan drove down a few days before.

02:35:40.620 --> 02:35:43.440
We spent the weekend hanging out doing what boys do.

02:35:44.260 --> 02:35:45.080
You know,

02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:45.520
beer,

02:35:45.880 --> 02:35:46.020
liquor,

02:35:46.420 --> 02:35:46.760
cigars,

02:35:47.580 --> 02:35:48.020
hanging out,

02:35:48.340 --> 02:35:49.140
telling the old stories.

02:35:51.260 --> 02:35:52.700
And then Tuesday,

02:35:52.920 --> 02:35:57.120
we drove up to Hershey and we caught the show.

02:35:57.820 --> 02:35:59.620
And wow.

02:36:00.380 --> 02:36:00.940
Yeah.

02:36:01.880 --> 02:36:08.500
Well, they've got a lot of cool new graphics now.

02:36:09.000 --> 02:36:09.160
Yes.

02:36:09.620 --> 02:36:12.460
So there's pros and there's cons to this.

02:36:13.460 --> 02:36:14.060
In the past,

02:36:14.940 --> 02:36:16.020
since the 80s,

02:36:16.260 --> 02:36:18.580
Iron Maiden has had this stage show of doom.

02:36:19.100 --> 02:36:20.520
You could not compete with Maiden.

02:36:21.240 --> 02:36:21.460
You know,

02:36:23.120 --> 02:36:31.840
the giant Eddie animatronic stuff comes up behind the stage and the guys come out on stilts and they walk around on stage.

02:36:33.000 --> 02:36:34.780
Maiden is just the best.

02:36:37.160 --> 02:36:37.640
Sorry,

02:36:37.800 --> 02:36:39.120
not the previous time, the previous,

02:36:39.300 --> 02:36:43.980
previous time. The last time I saw them was with TR two years ago in Baltimore.

02:36:44.500 --> 02:36:45.800
Was it Baltimore? Yeah. That's right.

02:36:46.520 --> 02:36:47.800
But before that,

02:36:48.040 --> 02:36:49.980
I saw them with John and Will.

02:36:50.500 --> 02:36:52.320
And I think it was at Jiffy Lube.

02:36:52.660 --> 02:36:53.100
Yeah.

02:36:53.580 --> 02:36:56.820
And that was when they had the like the Aces High.

02:36:57.370 --> 02:36:58.280
They brought the plane out.

02:36:58.840 --> 02:36:59.200
Yeah. Yeah.

02:36:59.640 --> 02:37:00.380
The inflatables.

02:37:01.100 --> 02:37:01.160
Yeah.

02:37:01.880 --> 02:37:02.220
And,

02:37:02.440 --> 02:37:02.980
you know, it's like,

02:37:03.220 --> 02:37:03.540
wow.

02:37:04.450 --> 02:37:05.020
This time,

02:37:05.300 --> 02:37:07.200
other than the dude walking around on stilts,

02:37:07.360 --> 02:37:08.140
there were no,

02:37:09.510 --> 02:37:09.760
you know,

02:37:09.980 --> 02:37:13.900
they play Iron Maiden and you expect the big Eddie to come out.

02:37:14.400 --> 02:37:16.100
It was all on screen this time.

02:37:17.100 --> 02:37:20.440
But I will say that the on screen stuff that they do,

02:37:20.540 --> 02:37:25.300
did this time was far superior to the stuff that they have previously done.

02:37:26.000 --> 02:37:26.280
Oh, yeah.

02:37:26.440 --> 02:37:29.700
And it was it was it was really good. I mean,

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:30.100
yeah,

02:37:30.260 --> 02:37:34.420
you know, you kind of miss having the the physical actual stuff in your face,

02:37:35.020 --> 02:37:36.200
but it was still really good.

02:37:36.420 --> 02:37:37.560
And on top of that,

02:37:38.300 --> 02:37:40.500
Bruce sounded amazing.

02:37:40.820 --> 02:37:41.320
Yeah,

02:37:41.760 --> 02:37:41.840
yeah.

02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:44.520
I've watched some clips and I gotta say he's right there.

02:37:45.200 --> 02:37:50.040
Dude has got to have been like practicing and something because I mean,

02:37:50.500 --> 02:37:53.800
He sounded better than he has in like the last at least two tours.

02:37:54.380 --> 02:38:00.680
He sounds better live than on record too. I mean, he hasn't had a great performance on a record in a while, but when you see him live.

02:38:01.040 --> 02:38:01.460
For sure.

02:38:02.120 --> 02:38:05.040
But he really hit the notes. I mean, there was,

02:38:05.600 --> 02:38:11.640
there were a few things here and there where he had to rely on like backing vocals and stuff, but for the most part,

02:38:12.080 --> 02:38:16.960
he really hit the notes and he was just phenomenal.

02:38:20.480 --> 02:38:21.400
of the Michigan guys,

02:38:21.660 --> 02:38:23.560
this was their first time seeing Maiden ever.

02:38:25.620 --> 02:38:27.060
And they were just like,

02:38:28.980 --> 02:38:29.400
mind blown.

02:38:30.680 --> 02:38:36.160
The other guy was the guy that I saw Maiden with for the first time.

02:38:37.200 --> 02:38:38.260
So it was like,

02:38:38.460 --> 02:38:40.420
the first time I saw Maiden, this guy was here.

02:38:41.520 --> 02:38:43.240
Possibly the last time I've seen Maiden,

02:38:43.400 --> 02:38:44.220
this guy was here.

02:38:45.040 --> 02:38:49.540
I saw the No Prayer for the Dying tour with him back in the day.

02:38:49.620 --> 02:38:49.660
Wow.

02:38:50.880 --> 02:38:52.340
And so,

02:38:52.860 --> 02:38:53.220
I mean,

02:38:53.420 --> 02:38:54.500
so many feels about this.

02:38:54.660 --> 02:38:58.060
I mean, these guys, these are my brothers. These are my boys from back in the day.

02:38:59.000 --> 02:39:01.220
And I can't say.

02:39:02.080 --> 02:39:02.560
Yeah.

02:39:03.040 --> 02:39:03.160
Yeah.

02:39:03.340 --> 02:39:04.820
I can't say enough about these guys.

02:39:05.740 --> 02:39:06.980
They are a part of me.

02:39:07.780 --> 02:39:11.920
And to see this show with them just made all the difference.

02:39:12.820 --> 02:39:17.880
And I was so happy that Maiden was awesome because Megadeth was not.

02:39:18.460 --> 02:39:18.940
What?

02:39:20.239 --> 02:39:21.880
I thought they sounded great.

02:39:22.220 --> 02:39:23.120
Not to blame them,

02:39:23.320 --> 02:39:25.240
but Dave was sick.

02:39:26.140 --> 02:39:33.080
He was really sick. And so the music was good. His vocals were absolute shite. Oh,

02:39:33.340 --> 02:39:33.400
man.

02:39:33.580 --> 02:39:35.540
But when I saw them on the 5th,

02:39:35.700 --> 02:39:37.060
which was 10 days earlier,

02:39:38.220 --> 02:39:39.900
they sounded great.

02:39:40.220 --> 02:39:42.520
Every time I've seen Megadeth, Dave's been good. I mean,

02:39:42.680 --> 02:39:42.880
you know,

02:39:43.220 --> 02:39:44.680
people complain about Dave's vocals.

02:39:45.140 --> 02:39:45.980
They are what they are.

02:39:46.200 --> 02:39:48.980
But if you like them, you like them. And I like his vocals.

02:39:49.600 --> 02:39:53.640
But the poor guy was just sick as hell. And I mean, you could tell.

02:39:54.050 --> 02:40:03.000
I mean, he was like coughing and sneezing and stuff between songs. And he didn't mention it, but it was clear that he was not well. And his voice was just not there.

02:40:03.160 --> 02:40:04.260
Music was great.

02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:08.720
Not going to knock him, but it was bad.

02:40:09.400 --> 02:40:10.440
That's a shame.

02:40:10.660 --> 02:40:11.020
Yeah.

02:40:12.000 --> 02:40:14.780
The show I saw in New Jersey,

02:40:15.920 --> 02:40:18.760
his vocals actually sounded really good.

02:40:19.600 --> 02:40:21.460
And the whole band sounded great.

02:40:21.920 --> 02:40:25.840
And just the whole thing was just really satisfying as a Megadeth set.

02:40:26.080 --> 02:40:28.160
And George,

02:40:28.360 --> 02:40:30.400
I'm sorry that that's like what you got. Well,

02:40:30.590 --> 02:40:30.920
I mean,

02:40:31.340 --> 02:40:31.720
personally,

02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:34.920
I've seen him. I don't even know how many times, a number of times.

02:40:35.460 --> 02:40:37.980
I know how good Dave and Megadeth are,

02:40:38.460 --> 02:40:39.680
whoever the backing band is.

02:40:39.910 --> 02:40:41.160
I know how good they are live.

02:40:41.470 --> 02:40:41.980
I know. Right.

02:40:42.220 --> 02:40:42.700
You know.

02:40:42.860 --> 02:40:42.960
Yeah.

02:40:45.140 --> 02:40:45.580
But,

02:40:45.980 --> 02:40:49.000
you know, for the guys that hadn't seen them before, I was a little sad because.

02:40:49.600 --> 02:40:50.780
You know, the music was great,

02:40:51.640 --> 02:40:59.040
but you could barely hear him. He was just kind of... I mean, you know, he's got that voice,

02:40:59.360 --> 02:40:59.440
right?

02:40:59.640 --> 02:41:04.460
But he couldn't even manage that. It was just... It was bad. But,

02:41:04.620 --> 02:41:12.480
you know, according to the guys, they still enjoyed it, so I'm happy with that. I mean, you know, maybe it's just me knowing what it could sound like.

02:41:12.940 --> 02:41:13.300
Yeah.

02:41:13.720 --> 02:41:17.320
Having seen him before, but regardless,

02:41:17.480 --> 02:41:19.580
it was great to see Megadeth again and to see

02:41:19.680 --> 02:41:22.680
Dave on what is apparently the final tour.

02:41:25.380 --> 02:41:26.840
And yeah,

02:41:29.160 --> 02:41:30.740
if this is the last time I see Maiden,

02:41:30.960 --> 02:41:31.860
no regrets.

02:41:33.740 --> 02:41:34.220
Because it was amazing.

02:41:34.980 --> 02:41:35.380
Yeah,

02:41:35.880 --> 02:41:36.040
nice.

02:41:37.060 --> 02:41:38.840
And it is kind of, you know,

02:41:39.220 --> 02:41:46.760
I don't think we're right there yet, but it is one of those things where it's sort of like any time could be the last time. Well, you know, I was thinking about that while they were playing.

02:41:46.940 --> 02:41:49.580
I'm like, if this is what they sound like, why would

02:41:49.620 --> 02:41:50.320
You quit now

02:41:51.400 --> 02:41:51.920
Yeah

02:41:52.700 --> 02:41:53.680
Well that's true

02:41:54.540 --> 02:41:55.340
I'm like

02:41:56.200 --> 02:41:57.300
They're not losing

02:41:57.690 --> 02:41:58.500
Any steps here

02:41:58.510 --> 02:41:58.960
I mean

02:41:59.220 --> 02:41:59.360
No

02:41:59.520 --> 02:42:01.360
And the new drummer

02:42:02.361 --> 02:42:03.680
Sounded pretty good

02:42:03.820 --> 02:42:04.140
Like I

02:42:04.270 --> 02:42:04.660
You know

02:42:05.260 --> 02:42:06.160
I mean I definitely

02:42:06.610 --> 02:42:07.500
Wish they still had

02:42:07.600 --> 02:42:08.200
Nico with them

02:42:08.210 --> 02:42:08.680
But like

02:42:09.200 --> 02:42:09.940
He played

02:42:10.410 --> 02:42:10.960
Stuff like

02:42:11.060 --> 02:42:12.040
He definitely

02:42:13.461 --> 02:42:14.160
Captured the

02:42:14.300 --> 02:42:14.960
Nico sound

02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:15.480
But like

02:42:15.550 --> 02:42:16.440
Had his own thing

02:42:16.530 --> 02:42:17.020
Going too

02:42:17.200 --> 02:42:17.820
And Yalek

02:42:17.930 --> 02:42:18.600
Didn't kill anybody

02:42:18.650 --> 02:42:19.580
With a guitar

02:42:19.600 --> 02:42:20.140
That was a bonus.

02:42:21.000 --> 02:42:24.180
As much as he swings it around and puts his leg up on the amp.

02:42:25.180 --> 02:42:27.820
Yeah. And he'd like stomped on it at the end.

02:42:28.500 --> 02:42:28.560
Yeah.

02:42:29.400 --> 02:42:30.820
But and,

02:42:31.440 --> 02:42:31.600
you know,

02:42:32.020 --> 02:42:33.760
Steve is still Steve.

02:42:34.160 --> 02:42:35.480
Every time I have seen Maiden,

02:42:35.670 --> 02:42:36.460
Steve is Steve.

02:42:36.960 --> 02:42:37.840
That's all you got to say is,

02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:38.680
you know,

02:42:38.930 --> 02:42:42.240
he does the he does the thing where he's like,

02:42:42.520 --> 02:42:43.320
he's shooting you.

02:42:44.220 --> 02:42:44.660
Yeah.

02:42:45.210 --> 02:42:45.320
Well,

02:42:45.480 --> 02:42:46.900
that and he never stops. I mean,

02:42:47.100 --> 02:42:49.560
they they all in their way never

02:42:49.620 --> 02:42:51.380
But they obviously don't tour like they used to.

02:42:51.720 --> 02:42:52.520
Steve got bored.

02:42:52.780 --> 02:42:58.240
They was like, we're not going to tour all the time. I'm going to start another band. You know what I mean? Like Steve doesn't. He just loves playing, man.

02:42:58.640 --> 02:42:58.700
Yeah.

02:42:59.680 --> 02:43:01.140
And he loved being on the road and playing.

02:43:01.660 --> 02:43:02.020
Yeah.

02:43:02.420 --> 02:43:04.760
So if I were them,

02:43:05.020 --> 02:43:07.360
I would be like, hey, let's I mean,

02:43:07.780 --> 02:43:13.720
maybe put out a new album or maybe not. But at least keep doing what they're doing. Where are we? 26,

02:43:14.060 --> 02:43:14.340
28.

02:43:14.660 --> 02:43:17.880
Come back to the U.S. again and do it again because they definitely still got it.

02:43:18.380 --> 02:43:18.500
Yeah.

02:43:18.900 --> 02:43:18.980
Yeah.

02:43:19.100 --> 02:43:24.760
Bruce is 68 too so you know I don't know how Rob is Halford but

02:43:26.699 --> 02:43:35.800
um Bruce is 68 he got another 12 years in him come on we got a couple more tours I mean that's why I brought up Rob because I think Rob's in his 70s and he's to don't know right you know

02:43:37.720 --> 02:43:44.200
could kind of bring it but uh yeah well that's cool man yeah it was it was wonderful and you know

02:43:45.259 --> 02:43:49.680
I want to mention this because so many shows.

02:43:51.620 --> 02:43:55.500
This is the first show I've seen this happen and I hope it's a new thing,

02:43:55.700 --> 02:44:01.600
but you get there and they're like doors is X time and show is X time.

02:44:01.890 --> 02:44:02.020
Okay.

02:44:03.080 --> 02:44:14.180
And so we roll up to the gates and we're like, all right, well, let's try and get in line early because it's going to take forever to get into Hershey Park because last time we did this, we missed Exodus because it took so

02:44:14.260 --> 02:44:14.800
to get in.

02:44:15.560 --> 02:44:15.680
Yeah.

02:44:16.860 --> 02:44:18.700
And what they did was,

02:44:19.720 --> 02:44:19.800
yes,

02:44:20.090 --> 02:44:21.420
you have a line to get in,

02:44:21.760 --> 02:44:25.580
but they also split it up between several different places to get in.

02:44:27.440 --> 02:44:30.140
But the important thing was.

02:44:31.940 --> 02:44:33.420
Gates doors,

02:44:34.070 --> 02:44:34.980
I think, were like,

02:44:35.640 --> 02:44:37.620
I don't even remember. Let's just say six o'clock. OK,

02:44:38.440 --> 02:44:39.360
at five o'clock,

02:44:39.950 --> 02:44:43.480
they started taking people and checking their stuff.

02:44:43.660 --> 02:44:44.980
taking their tickets.

02:44:47.380 --> 02:44:49.020
And then you got into a.

02:44:51.000 --> 02:44:51.420
An area.

02:44:52.100 --> 02:44:52.240
Between.

02:44:53.520 --> 02:44:54.320
The parking lot.

02:44:55.060 --> 02:44:56.160
And the seats.

02:44:58.780 --> 02:44:59.520
And at Hershey Park.

02:44:59.700 --> 02:45:00.640
That's where like all the.

02:45:00.820 --> 02:45:01.840
The vending is like.

02:45:02.460 --> 02:45:02.940
Not the vending.

02:45:03.880 --> 02:45:04.420
Like the.

02:45:04.700 --> 02:45:05.980
The food trucks and stuff.

02:45:06.900 --> 02:45:07.040
Okay.

02:45:07.320 --> 02:45:07.400
Not.

02:45:07.640 --> 02:45:08.660
There was a merch tent.

02:45:09.020 --> 02:45:09.140
But.

02:45:10.400 --> 02:45:11.460
But mostly it's the food trucks.

02:45:12.000 --> 02:45:12.420
And so.

02:45:13.579 --> 02:45:18.300
you get in early and just kind of mill around and you're like what the hell's going on

02:45:19.080 --> 02:45:26.840
but then when it's like doors at six the gates open and everybody just goes in yeah instead of oh well

02:45:27.140 --> 02:45:31.560
okay the gate it's open and now it's an hour for people to get in because everybody has to give their tickets

02:45:31.800 --> 02:45:38.980
right yeah exactly there's like this mid period where you you get all that stuff done and then you

02:45:38.900 --> 02:45:40.340
could just go in and I thought that was brilliant.

02:45:41.120 --> 02:45:41.240
Yeah.

02:45:42.000 --> 02:45:42.960
Yeah. And in Jersey,

02:45:43.240 --> 02:45:47.000
we actually went to the merch tent before all that.

02:45:47.720 --> 02:45:48.660
So we got our stuff.

02:45:48.940 --> 02:45:49.500
So it was like,

02:45:50.120 --> 02:45:55.000
you know, we were able to kind of take care of that and then get in line for the,

02:45:55.360 --> 02:45:56.360
you know, just to get in.

02:45:57.500 --> 02:45:58.780
And that went quickly.

02:46:00.060 --> 02:46:00.960
And it was kind of like,

02:46:01.240 --> 02:46:01.300
okay,

02:46:01.620 --> 02:46:03.120
we pretty much did everything.

02:46:03.360 --> 02:46:06.000
Now we got to get like something to eat and a beer,

02:46:06.180 --> 02:46:06.400
you know,

02:46:06.840 --> 02:46:07.180
like that.

02:46:07.340 --> 02:46:08.600
It was actually great.

02:46:08.660 --> 02:46:09.640
I agree,

02:46:09.840 --> 02:46:09.920
George.

02:46:10.340 --> 02:46:14.040
It's a nice... I hope that that's the way of things to come.

02:46:14.920 --> 02:46:21.200
And I'm sure you've probably seen this in some of these venues where there's sports venues.

02:46:22.080 --> 02:46:25.200
You go to the whatever,

02:46:25.500 --> 02:46:32.360
where the food and the drink is, and you just walk in and you walk out and it just charges you.

02:46:32.580 --> 02:46:34.360
You put your card in first.

02:46:34.660 --> 02:46:35.220
Yeah,

02:46:35.460 --> 02:46:36.900
we did that. It made in last time.

02:46:37.320 --> 02:46:37.640
Yeah.

02:46:38.240 --> 02:46:39.220
And it's just like,

02:46:39.660 --> 02:46:39.840
wow,

02:46:40.000 --> 02:46:41.300
that's pretty amazing.

02:46:41.540 --> 02:46:44.220
Like it knew exactly what I had picked out and,

02:46:44.440 --> 02:46:44.680
you know,

02:46:44.920 --> 02:46:46.520
just charged me for what I grabbed.

02:46:46.720 --> 02:46:51.140
And it's just nice because it's like you just get to stop and you're out and you don't have to,

02:46:51.660 --> 02:46:51.820
you know,

02:46:52.040 --> 02:46:52.420
fool around.

02:46:53.080 --> 02:46:53.840
Crowd management,

02:46:54.060 --> 02:46:54.280
man.

02:46:54.800 --> 02:46:55.240
Yeah.

02:46:56.180 --> 02:46:56.620
Okay,

02:46:56.900 --> 02:46:57.000
John.

02:46:59.050 --> 02:47:00.540
For those of you that can't see,

02:47:00.740 --> 02:47:04.300
John just put up his cyberdyne. Maybe it's AI. Maybe it's AI.

02:47:04.600 --> 02:47:07.280
But I don't care. It made things easier and I understand.

02:47:07.360 --> 02:47:07.760
I enjoyed it.

02:47:08.500 --> 02:47:08.620
Yeah.

02:47:09.760 --> 02:47:09.960
I was,

02:47:10.160 --> 02:47:10.440
of course,

02:47:10.700 --> 02:47:12.440
irritated initially because I didn't understand.

02:47:13.740 --> 02:47:16.780
I'm like, we're standing here still.

02:47:17.300 --> 02:47:17.700
Yeah.

02:47:17.920 --> 02:47:18.080
Okay.

02:47:18.280 --> 02:47:18.380
Boomer.

02:47:18.600 --> 02:47:19.680
Now see, that's exactly.

02:47:20.820 --> 02:47:23.260
I don't understand this.

02:47:23.600 --> 02:47:23.680
Yeah.

02:47:24.540 --> 02:47:27.520
But then I saw the gate and I was like, all right, we're at the gate.

02:47:27.920 --> 02:47:29.180
And I knew I was like, oh,

02:47:29.340 --> 02:47:34.860
they're going to like open the gate and we're just all going to go in and everybody's equal at this point. I mean,

02:47:35.460 --> 02:47:36.280
we had seats,

02:47:36.540 --> 02:47:37.280
so it didn't matter.

02:47:37.360 --> 02:48:07.300
But like if you're you know rushing to get to the you know you don't want to be yeah you want to be sitting in your seat when the show starts you know yeah and having got your shirt got your beer whatever exactly right by the way did you get a shirt or you I got two yeah I got uh I got a like power slave updated power slave thing I mean it's like the the you know the the statues with the pyramid thing and it's like all blue

02:48:07.400 --> 02:48:07.920
Yeah,

02:48:08.460 --> 02:48:10.860
that's the one I got with the Rime of the Ancient Mirror stuff on the back.

02:48:11.120 --> 02:48:11.240
Yeah.

02:48:11.820 --> 02:48:13.620
And then I got one that's,

02:48:14.980 --> 02:48:15.220
you know,

02:48:15.820 --> 02:48:20.040
I hate to say it because I'm such maybe a Derek Riggs fan.

02:48:20.420 --> 02:48:21.820
The newer Iron Maiden artwork.

02:48:23.200 --> 02:48:23.600
No,

02:48:23.780 --> 02:48:24.680
it's agreed.

02:48:24.940 --> 02:48:31.760
But I got one that's sort of a, it's the Eddie with an axe. And he's like, I think it's probably like the main tour one.

02:48:32.320 --> 02:48:33.340
And he's kind of like, ah,

02:48:33.820 --> 02:48:34.360
with the axe.

02:48:34.560 --> 02:48:36.820
And I was like, all right, I want to get a second one.

02:48:36.900 --> 02:48:39.440
and all the rest of these sucks. I'll get this one.

02:48:40.880 --> 02:48:45.860
I'm sad for our listeners that they couldn't see your reenactment.

02:48:47.080 --> 02:48:48.600
I assume very accurate.

02:48:48.840 --> 02:48:49.320
Yeah.

02:48:50.300 --> 02:48:52.420
He looked, for those of you listening,

02:48:52.700 --> 02:48:55.320
he looked just like Eddie. I looked just like Eddie.

02:48:55.640 --> 02:48:59.880
Oh, here we go. We're going to get some show and tell here.

02:49:00.380 --> 02:49:05.140
So for those of us that can see what's going on.

02:49:05.380 --> 02:49:05.780
Yeah.

02:49:05.960 --> 02:49:06.800
He's got the shirt.

02:49:06.900 --> 02:49:36.860
now and he's showing us here okay i can't it's it's all messed well you gotta kind of grab the other end there george i got that you gotta walk him through the shirt thing okay yeah that one okay yeah and then this one it's because i tried them on they're all messed up yeah oh there you go there's eddie i mean it really does look exactly like what you portrayed just seconds ago it's like

02:49:36.880 --> 02:49:39.360
It's like if Killers were,

02:49:39.540 --> 02:49:41.160
or not even Killers, the first album,

02:49:41.420 --> 02:49:44.140
were redone by AI.

02:49:46.580 --> 02:49:48.020
And George was the guy.

02:49:48.680 --> 02:49:48.900
Yeah.

02:49:50.020 --> 02:49:50.460
Exactly.

02:49:51.480 --> 02:49:51.560
Yeah.

02:49:53.000 --> 02:49:53.440
Georgie.

02:49:54.220 --> 02:49:57.120
So, I mean, you can't go to an Iron Maiden show and not buy Iron Maiden shirts.

02:49:57.440 --> 02:49:59.880
You have to. That's exactly right. It's pretty much required.

02:50:00.400 --> 02:50:00.460
Yeah.

02:50:01.330 --> 02:50:03.040
But you can't wear them to it.

02:50:03.740 --> 02:50:04.600
Oh, I will.

02:50:04.760 --> 02:50:05.160
Well,

02:50:05.350 --> 02:50:06.820
you might care. I'm with you.

02:50:07.399 --> 02:50:08.600
I didn't. I wore them.

02:50:09.700 --> 02:50:10.200
What am I wearing?

02:50:10.480 --> 02:50:11.660
I'm not wearing the right shirt.

02:50:11.860 --> 02:50:15.200
Yesterday I was wearing the shirt that I wore to Maiden, which was a Metalhead shirt.

02:50:15.700 --> 02:50:16.100
Ah,

02:50:16.260 --> 02:50:16.540
there you go.

02:50:18.900 --> 02:50:20.540
Because you got a pimp podcast.

02:50:21.300 --> 02:50:21.960
That's right.

02:50:24.640 --> 02:50:25.640
And I got to say,

02:50:25.920 --> 02:50:29.080
it was much easier getting out of this show.

02:50:29.700 --> 02:50:31.700
Slayer took us like two and a half hours to get out of.

02:50:32.180 --> 02:50:33.360
This one we were out in half an hour.

02:50:34.020 --> 02:50:36.840
I've skipped Encores at Mount

02:50:36.900 --> 02:50:39.600
because I just didn't want to be there for hours.

02:50:39.880 --> 02:50:40.860
Now we watched the whole thing.

02:50:40.940 --> 02:50:41.800
And then in fact,

02:50:42.740 --> 02:50:44.240
they literally kicked us out.

02:50:45.520 --> 02:50:46.720
We were sitting in the,

02:50:46.860 --> 02:50:47.120
we had,

02:50:47.240 --> 02:50:49.880
we had like bleacher seats off to the,

02:50:51.100 --> 02:50:52.880
like as close as you can get to the stage,

02:50:53.040 --> 02:50:53.560
bleacher seats.

02:50:54.999 --> 02:50:55.900
And quite good.

02:50:56.680 --> 02:50:57.380
And we were like,

02:50:57.440 --> 02:50:57.680
you know,

02:50:58.640 --> 02:50:59.780
there's a million fricking people here.

02:50:59.860 --> 02:51:00.840
We're going to wait until they,

02:51:01.320 --> 02:51:01.800
they leave.

02:51:01.840 --> 02:51:03.940
And we sat there and eventually somebody was like,

02:51:04.020 --> 02:51:04.280
all right,

02:51:04.440 --> 02:51:04.560
people,

02:51:04.680 --> 02:51:05.620
you got to get out of here.

02:51:06.520 --> 02:51:07.060
And we're like,

02:51:07.240 --> 02:51:07.440
what?

02:51:09.200 --> 02:51:13.440
Possibly the first time in a show in 40-odd years that I've been told I have to leave.

02:51:14.020 --> 02:51:15.180
People pushed you out.

02:51:16.040 --> 02:51:18.300
I was like, all right, we're going, goddammit.

02:51:20.140 --> 02:51:24.440
But I still got out of there in like half an hour because I got the primo parking spot.

02:51:24.800 --> 02:51:25.520
That is nice,

02:51:25.840 --> 02:51:25.900
dude.

02:51:27.080 --> 02:51:31.580
That does make for a long night if you're, well, like I said, John knows Mountain View.

02:51:31.740 --> 02:51:36.500
God, he used to take forever to get out of Mountain View. I hated it. When there was a show there, if it was something I really

02:51:36.520 --> 02:51:36.660
I really,

02:51:36.940 --> 02:51:37.200
really,

02:51:37.440 --> 02:51:37.600
really,

02:51:37.790 --> 02:51:39.680
really wanted to see. That was the only reason I could go there.

02:51:39.980 --> 02:51:40.340
Yeah.

02:51:40.620 --> 02:51:41.640
And I lived, like,

02:51:41.820 --> 02:51:42.640
in Palo Alto,

02:51:42.810 --> 02:51:43.200
so I was, like,

02:51:43.360 --> 02:51:46.960
five miles from there, and I still didn't like going to shows there because I was like, it's going to take me two hours to get home.

02:51:48.280 --> 02:51:48.940
I walked.

02:51:49.460 --> 02:51:50.980
Yeah, I didn't even have to get on the freeway.

02:51:51.650 --> 02:51:51.780
Yeah.

02:51:52.420 --> 02:51:52.740
Yeah.

02:51:54.820 --> 02:51:55.400
All right.

02:51:55.740 --> 02:51:57.060
All right. We got anything else?

02:51:58.440 --> 02:52:00.220
Just a couple of upcoming shows.

02:52:00.600 --> 02:52:01.460
All right. What's got?

02:52:01.820 --> 02:52:05.900
I'm going to see Styx down in southern Delaware.

02:52:06.520 --> 02:52:09.860
at the Freeman Arts Center or whatever it is.

02:52:10.670 --> 02:52:15.200
And it just so happens that the next night, Roger Daltrey's playing, so I'm going to see that too.

02:52:15.780 --> 02:52:16.220
Yeah,

02:52:16.420 --> 02:52:19.300
I've never been a big Who fan or whatever,

02:52:19.540 --> 02:52:23.620
but I'm pretty excited to see him because I've never seen him or any of those guys.

02:52:23.980 --> 02:52:25.640
Dude, how can you not like the Who?

02:52:26.260 --> 02:52:31.320
Well, I don't not like them. I just never got into them that much. Well, you should.

02:52:31.680 --> 02:52:34.060
Just saying. Just saying. No judgment.

02:52:34.270 --> 02:52:34.860
You just should.

02:52:36.540 --> 02:53:06.500
I got Russian Circles and they're touring with Pelican and that'll be down in Baltimore and then two days later I'll see my one of my favorite bands Howling Giant and they're also playing in Baltimore so so that's it I am thinking based on my love for this band and your review of their show TR of because I haven't I haven't really traveled for anything

02:53:06.520 --> 02:53:06.960
for a while.

02:53:07.140 --> 02:53:08.620
And Triumph has added some dates.

02:53:10.420 --> 02:53:15.520
I thought it might be kind of fun to go see him in Vegas. And me and Matt have been looking for something to do again together.

02:53:16.280 --> 02:53:18.580
To go with me.

02:53:19.120 --> 02:53:19.240
Dude,

02:53:19.460 --> 02:53:19.560
yeah.

02:53:19.720 --> 02:53:21.080
It was a great show.

02:53:21.960 --> 02:53:23.620
They were just so good.

02:53:24.020 --> 02:53:25.340
They sounded great.

02:53:25.580 --> 02:53:27.760
And like the visuals and everything.

02:53:27.990 --> 02:53:29.340
It was just really worth seeing.

02:53:30.020 --> 02:53:31.120
I'm seeing them again.

02:53:31.320 --> 02:53:33.680
I'm going to go see them. They're playing in Baltimore.

02:53:33.970 --> 02:53:35.720
So I got tickets for that.

02:53:36.520 --> 02:53:37.460
When is that?

02:53:38.480 --> 02:53:40.300
Like November, I think. Yeah.

02:53:40.920 --> 02:53:43.040
November 21st. Maybe it's a Saturday.

02:53:44.080 --> 02:53:44.320
George,

02:53:44.520 --> 02:53:47.300
if I could come out there, would you want to go to Triumph in Baltimore?

02:53:47.880 --> 02:53:48.840
Are you asking me?

02:53:49.660 --> 02:53:50.060
Yeah.

02:53:50.580 --> 02:53:57.940
I was intending to go to that show with TR until he was like, oh, yeah, there's like 20 other people going. I was like, well,

02:53:58.180 --> 02:53:58.500
screw that.

02:53:58.720 --> 02:53:59.620
I don't want to go to that.

02:54:00.000 --> 02:54:03.340
I'm like, if I can go to Triumph with TR,

02:54:03.620 --> 02:54:04.520
I'm there.

02:54:06.540 --> 02:54:07.300
with TR and John,

02:54:07.720 --> 02:54:08.880
I'm totally there.

02:54:10.000 --> 02:54:12.040
But if I'm going to triumph with TR,

02:54:12.460 --> 02:54:12.740
John,

02:54:13.180 --> 02:54:14.780
and like half a dozen other people,

02:54:14.960 --> 02:54:15.460
I'm out.

02:54:17.260 --> 02:54:18.900
You shouldn't let that keep you away.

02:54:20.460 --> 02:54:21.680
What about John and Jay?

02:54:22.000 --> 02:54:22.400
Well,

02:54:22.600 --> 02:54:24.780
if you were here, I would go anywhere you are,

02:54:25.060 --> 02:54:25.800
assuming I can get tickets.

02:54:26.520 --> 02:54:27.100
You know what?

02:54:27.560 --> 02:54:32.380
I'm going to look at that. Well, if you look at that and you can get a ticket, get me one.

02:54:34.380 --> 02:54:36.120
If you can do it and it's there,

02:54:36.520 --> 02:54:36.780
I mean,

02:54:37.760 --> 02:54:40.200
I'll go anywhere you go.

02:54:40.780 --> 02:54:42.080
I'm ready to fly for a chef.

02:54:42.240 --> 02:54:46.680
So even if it's not that one, I'll pick something out. Well, you got to pick one. I mean, like come out to Decibel or something.

02:54:47.260 --> 02:54:50.780
I don't even know if I'm going to Decibel, but you know what I mean. Just come out and go to something like this.

02:54:50.960 --> 02:54:55.520
But not that I dislike Decibel, but I really want to see Triumph.

02:54:55.900 --> 02:54:56.820
Yeah, so do I.

02:54:57.860 --> 02:54:58.180
Okay,

02:54:58.340 --> 02:55:00.100
I'll look just to see what's available.

02:55:00.440 --> 02:55:00.860
All right.

02:55:01.460 --> 02:55:02.600
But I'm glad you're going to see him again,

02:55:02.780 --> 02:55:03.480
too. That's awesome.

02:55:03.640 --> 02:55:06.360
I just thought I better not miss this chance.

02:55:07.279 --> 02:55:08.460
That's what I was thinking too.

02:55:09.140 --> 02:55:09.540
Yeah.

02:55:11.180 --> 02:55:11.240
Yeah.

02:55:12.260 --> 02:55:13.200
And I mean,

02:55:13.400 --> 02:55:14.800
got to see Rick Emmett play live.

02:55:14.980 --> 02:55:16.580
You must have seen him.

02:55:17.000 --> 02:55:18.020
No, never saw him.

02:55:18.760 --> 02:55:19.480
That's weird.

02:55:19.840 --> 02:55:20.580
But you're a fan, right?

02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:28.460
Didn't have the opportunity or just didn't get around to it? They were kind of over by the time we were seeing shows,

02:55:28.800 --> 02:55:28.920
right?

02:55:29.180 --> 02:55:29.560
Yeah.

02:55:30.300 --> 02:55:36.280
I was seeing shows back then. Well, you were, but by the time I was seeing shows, it was kind of weird. Seeing shows.

02:55:36.540 --> 02:55:40.480
It's just when these tickets went on sale, I was

02:55:41.860 --> 02:55:44.040
unfortunately dealing with my post-op stuff.

02:55:44.280 --> 02:55:44.380
Yeah.

02:55:44.680 --> 02:55:49.720
And I just was like, there's not a damn thing happening in this world right now

02:55:50.140 --> 02:55:51.480
that's going to get my attention.

02:55:51.700 --> 02:55:51.940
Obviously.

02:55:52.300 --> 02:55:52.400
Yeah.

02:55:52.540 --> 02:55:52.700
Fair enough.

02:55:53.100 --> 02:55:54.040
You got to do what you got to do.

02:55:54.240 --> 02:55:54.740
Yeah.

02:55:56.160 --> 02:55:58.060
But if Jay's coming, you got to figure it out.

02:56:00.479 --> 02:56:01.700
Well, you know what?

02:56:02.020 --> 02:56:03.460
It's time I got on an airplane.

02:56:03.580 --> 02:56:07.060
So let me look around and see what else is going on and stuff.

02:56:08.130 --> 02:56:09.780
Because if we can't make this one work.

02:56:10.460 --> 02:56:18.120
And then let's... I'll take a look at something I know we'll both and or all want to go see.

02:56:18.480 --> 02:56:18.740
Okay.

02:56:19.980 --> 02:56:21.160
In the next couple of months.

02:56:23.000 --> 02:56:24.300
And maybe this one.

02:56:27.480 --> 02:56:29.340
Let's see. But I'm jealous, dude. That's cool.

02:56:29.540 --> 02:56:33.500
And is it the same? I guess it's probably the same group of people, Felix and all those guys.

02:56:33.580 --> 02:56:34.060
and everything else.

02:56:36.520 --> 02:56:36.860
November 21st.

02:56:36.880 --> 02:56:38.440
I did see some footage and it all looked good.

02:56:39.779 --> 02:56:42.300
Just out of boredom, I watched that S Festival performance.

02:56:43.800 --> 02:56:44.100
Yeah, well,

02:56:44.320 --> 02:56:45.240
that's good stuff.

02:56:45.260 --> 02:56:47.440
It's just like on YouTube and it's like, hey, do you want to watch this again?

02:56:47.580 --> 02:56:48.620
And I'm like, you know what?

02:56:48.650 --> 02:56:49.520
I do want to watch that again.

02:56:50.040 --> 02:56:50.260
Yeah.

02:56:56.460 --> 02:56:57.040
All right.

02:56:57.270 --> 02:56:59.060
Shall we wander off?

02:56:59.840 --> 02:57:00.600
I think we shall.

02:57:01.440 --> 02:57:03.500
Before we sign off, I have a joke I need to tell you.

02:57:04.640 --> 02:57:05.600
And it's not very long,

02:57:05.760 --> 02:57:08.460
so I think you'll enjoy it. And I hope I didn't tell you that it's this joke.

02:57:08.960 --> 02:57:10.360
An old man told it to me,

02:57:10.520 --> 02:57:13.880
so let that be the caveat that it should be.

02:57:15.080 --> 02:57:16.760
So the guy got in a terrible car accident,

02:57:17.020 --> 02:57:18.460
and he wakes up,

02:57:18.700 --> 02:57:23.380
and he's been out for quite a while, and the doctor comes in and says,

02:57:23.640 --> 02:57:25.300
hey,

02:57:25.500 --> 02:57:26.640
you're back with us. I'm a ghost person.

02:57:26.820 --> 02:57:29.060
The guy says, yeah, but I'm freaking out. I can't feel my legs.

02:57:31.460 --> 02:57:33.220
Because we had to amputate both of your arms.

02:57:35.300 --> 02:57:35.740
Actually,

02:57:35.910 --> 02:57:37.280
I do think you told us that.

02:57:39.220 --> 02:57:39.320
But,

02:57:40.140 --> 02:57:40.260
yeah.

02:57:41.900 --> 02:57:42.660
That's good.

02:57:43.320 --> 02:57:44.100
I like it.

02:57:44.960 --> 02:57:46.380
All right. Nice to see your faces,

02:57:46.580 --> 02:57:46.660
boys.

02:57:47.340 --> 02:57:48.020
All righty.

02:57:48.620 --> 02:57:49.300
Let's do this.

02:57:49.520 --> 02:57:50.260
Thanks, guys.

02:57:50.740 --> 02:57:52.200
All right. See you next time.

02:57:52.360 --> 02:57:52.560
Yeah.

02:57:52.740 --> 02:57:52.940
See you.