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There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold. And they're climbing the stairway to 11. When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed. But online they can get what they came for.

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Und erinnernimmt.

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I still can't smoke. Anyway, yes, episode 18. And this episode, I think I may have put this on our little document that we have where we keep track of the things that we do, which we're not the best at keeping up with, but we do our best. The secret manifesto. Yes. Only we know what's coming in the future. All the secret episodes that you will eventually maybe hear. Yeah. All the outtakes are our secret episodes. So for this episode, we're doing something called

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change of heart, you know, or an epiphany, basically meaning, and I think we're all focused on albums for the most part or band, but using an album to show where we had a change of heart, whether it was an album that we were just like, this is garbage the first time we heard it. And then some years later, we're like, I really like this album now. I have to eat some crow. And maybe you liked it at first and now you don't like it.

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So any kind of change of heart on an album or a band. I was going to say that's a completely different episode. All the bands that we liked and then decided to not like. And we'd have to have Will on because one through five would be Metallica. Yeah, pretty much. Right. That's a good idea. Oh, I thought about that today. Actually, I was like, man, I got some bands I could bring into this. Oh, yeah. But we're doing this was intended to focus on albums. And I think a couple of them also were bands.

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too. They kind of went together.

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It's not that I just liked the album.

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I kind of ended up liking the band too.

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But I'm sure we all have slightly different takes or experiences on this happening.

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So that's my spiel on it.

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What do you guys have to?

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I didn't really, I actually didn't write down any albums, only bands.

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But I can give you some examples because, you know, I remember why these things happened.

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Or for most of them anyway, at least for the five.

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Okay.

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I got all albums with mine. So yeah, I focused on albums myself. And most of these, in fact, all of them were albums that initially I didn't care for as much and then kind of came around on. So most of these were like, it came out, I listened to it and I was like, eh. Rubbish. And then later I was like, eh, okay. Yeah.

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And then later, you were the president of the fan club. Yeah. Wait for it. Stay on target. Exactly. All right. Cool. All right. Who wants to go first? I can get this one out of the way right off the bat. I'm sure somebody across the pond would be disappointed with me with this album, but I can start if you want. Go for it. All right. So this is a band that got their start.

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in the very early 80s. I didn't like them. I didn't like their sound. I didn't like their look. My friend doesn't like you either. I had to listen to them a lot on MTV. And then a little side band came out with some of the band members. Here we go. I think I know what this is. I kind of like this. And then I went and saw them live. I was like, man, those songs from that band, I didn't like that they're in.

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Sound really cool.

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That band is Duran Duran.

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See, I thought you always liked those guys.

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I did not.

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Wow.

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Two things happened.

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I saw the Power Station live with John Taylor and Andy Taylor in the band.

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And I was like, first off, I always did like John Taylor's bass playing.

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I always thought he was a really good bass player.

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I still do.

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But I didn't realize that Andy Taylor kind of played some heavy riffs.

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I mean, he had some crunch to his sound and I got to hear it more in the power station and they played, they played the reflex and hungry like the wolf on that show. And I was like, man, these songs are actually much better than I thought. And then they released the song of you to a kill from the soundtrack from the James Bond movie. And I was like, this song's bad-ass. And then I was like, I have been mistaken. So especially the first three albums, which there are a lot of good songs,

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But the album I chose that kind of finally tied me in is obviously their biggest album, which is Rio, which came out in 1982. And that is probably their hallmark album in terms of their biggest hits. Now, I know there's a certain person from a certain band. I don't want to name any names. Richard Barbieri from Porcupine Tree. He might want to strangle me at this moment right now. Yes, he probably does. He probably does. Of course, he'd have to listen. But if you're not familiar with Richard Barbieri,

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was in a band called Japan before he joined Orcupine Tree. And if you know anything about Duran Duran, Japan's the archetype for Duran Duran. They did it first. They pretty much ripped off Japan big time. Yeah, to put it mildly. But with that said, I still, I like both bands too, by the way. But with that said, I went with Duran because let's be honest, I didn't see Japan on video on MTV. I saw Duran Duran constantly.

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And besides, Japan's song where they were singing like,

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her name is Bogota, it just didn't have the same catch hook to it.

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I don't know if I have that album.

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Yeah, I don't know about that.

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Alrighty.

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That was a good one.

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Yeah, that was a good one.

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Anyway, so yeah, I chose Rio just because it had their biggest songs.

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Obviously, everyone knows the song, if you're familiar with them, Rio,

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You Don't Hungry Like the Wolf.

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But also, you know, Save a Prayer, which is, these were all huge hits. They were massive. That's just from this album. But in listening to the album over the years, to get it a little more deeper, there are other great songs like My Own Way, New Religion, Last Chance on the Stairway, The Chauffeur. These are all great songs. And I just ended up appreciating them more. And then I started to hear things that I was ignoring. Again, John Taylor's bass playing, which I always thought was really cool and very good.

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But Andy Taylor had a lot of crunch in some of those songs, but you just didn't think about it because at that time, we're all relatively the same age. All we heard were the synths. That's all we ever heard. Yeah, and you know, John, I'm with you on this because it really, that kind of threw me off and pretty much kind of killed me on some of those bands from the 80s that were so synth heavy that I couldn't get past it, you know, and I couldn't hear what was going on musically enough.

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to give them a chance or even, you know, really realistically consider any of that stuff. And it's a shame because there was some good music in the 80s, even though I know a lot of people kind of got into a lot of that stuff and it was very popular at the time. I didn't really care for a lot of it. You know, a lot of that synth kind of driven stuff just did not connect with me at all. And it was also a cultural thing, too, amongst groups of people.

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I mean, if you think about it, all the metalheads hung out with all metalheads. Or hard rock guys. Yeah. Right. That was disparaged amongst metalheads. I mean, you didn't listen to that. Hanging out with those goth kids and those new wave kids. New wave kids, yeah. You know, and it's, how do we not realize this being Rush fans with the song called Subdivisions? I mean, geez. Which, by the way, is synth heavy. Yep. Yeah. Go ahead, George. I'm sorry. You know, in the 80s, particularly,

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1987 on, I was extremely anti-synth. And this would be in a large part due to A, being a massive metalhead and a fan of Manowar, who on their 1987 album, Fighting the World, had a liner note that said, no synths, no pedals, no wimps. They had the pictures of, you know, serious muscles to, you know, prove it out. I mean, you could see that they would probably pummel anybody that brought any of that to the

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stage they'd be like you know that that was just an album hoist their swords up and you know

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yeah i took that a little bit too to heart and eventually i realized the error of my ways

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yeah i'll tell you now i i love synths it's just i love synth wave i'm uh just more discriminant about

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good synth versus bad synth um but yeah this was an album that didn't take as long for me to get into

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them because like I said seeing Power Station live and they were so good and then like I said when Duran Duran started branching their sound a little bit like A View to a Kill was one of the earlier songs from that new direction they were going which it wasn't that it was necessarily different it just had a different vibe to it the way that it was it mean obviously it sounded like a movie soundtrack song but at the same time it also sounded just a little heavier just a little more rock even though it was loaded with synths and then I became a

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So that's my first one Duran Duran The band and the album is Rio Excellent TR you wanna go now? Alright so you guys probably aren't gonna believe this In fact there's a Penthouse Forums It was late one night when I was driving in my custom made van There's quite a lot on this list that you're gonna be like Dude you are such a poser Since no pedals no wimps

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Yeah. So my first one is Black Sabbath Dehumanizer. What? Yeah. So I bought this when it came out in 1992. And I was so excited because it's like, oh, man, Dio's back in the band. And, you know, they hadn't done anything since Heaven, Hell, and My Rules. And they were favorites of mine. So I was like, oh, this is going to be good. I cannot wait. And I bought it.

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Exactly. I didn't connect with it at all. At the time, I was just kind of disappointed. It was good, but it didn't really hold up to the same level as Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules. And then when the band broke apart, I don't think they toured very long on this album because by the time it wasn't long and Dio was out again. So I didn't see it live. I didn't catch any of it before he left again.

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And then, you know, it was years before he rejoined the band. And so I just didn't, it kind of sunk in my collection and I hardly ever listened to it again. And I mean, I do remember Time Machine kind of getting some play. Oh, so wasn't it in? Yeah, the Bill and Ted, or not Bill and Ted, but what is it? Wayne's World. Wayne's World, yeah. So it was in Wayne's World and that was cool. And, you know, I don't know.

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I kind of remember it from that but overall I don't know I just didn't really connect with this album and I just was so disappointed when it came out because I thought this is not nearly as good as Heaven and Hell or Mob Rules and then Dio comes back in 2006 they go on tour and I heard some of them play this you know play them some of these songs live like I I mean what a song and I just got a whole new

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for this album.

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And, you know, the more I listened to it, the more I was like,

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what did I, what was I missing on?

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Like, how did I not get this album?

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This is, you know, tremendous.

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And I think I was so wrapped up in the concept of hearing something

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that was going to sound like Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules

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that when it didn't sound like that, I just kind of was like, eh.

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And like, it just did not connect.

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And then, you know, seeing it live on that tour, it was like, whoa, this song is pretty good. And then I was like, I got to dig that out of my collection because they played a couple of songs from this album on that tour. And when I listened to this album again, I was like, why haven't I listened to this? I was like, I cannot believe I just like kind of dumped this album. And so, you know, it's not heaven and hell or mob rules, but it's

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It's a really good album. And given the limited output of Dio with Sabbath, I feel like it's essential. So I completely... I mean, I didn't hate it, but I didn't really warm up to it until years later. And I kind of feel, man, I just did not give this album its due when it came out. Because my expectations were in a different place,

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I ended up just really kind of not giving it a chance. And I, I kind of regret that because, you know, those wasted years, all those wasted years that I could have been listening to this album. Uh, anyway, yeah. Um, so that's maiden reference. Yes. You'll make it a little more of that later. So TR, I think you need to, uh, I think you need to go on the game of Thrones shame walk. Yeah. This is just number one, dude. Wait till the rest of this stuff.

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and you're gonna be like what no banished i'll probably be off the podcast by the

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listeners are gonna wonder why why is just george and john talking all of a sudden yeah whatever

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happened to that other guy it will cut in like a soup opera the part of tr is no longer being played

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he fell down an elevator shaft yeah where's oliver we just played slayer through his headphones and he left

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He burst into flames and died. Too close to the sun. Yeah. George. My first couple picks are going to be metal ones that nobody knows except for John. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. Yeah. So my number five is a band out of Richmond, Virginia called Inter Arma. Oh, wow. And for their first three albums, I was like,

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I'm like these guys could be good but me production you know how I am and it just didn't click with me at all until I saw them at the decibel metal and beer fest pre-fest in Philadelphia and they blew my mind so then when the next album came out which was sulfur English I like that album I got behind them in a big bad way so you know I've been

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doing reviews and things like that for quite a long time. And, you know, some of these, the metal ones anyway, I've had to eat a lot of crow over the years for things that I trashed. And then later I understood and I appreciated. I was like, ah, all right, I'm a GKS. This is good. So this was one of those bands. You know, you got to see them live to truly understand this band. TR, I don't know if you were with me at the Rock and Roll Hotel that used to be.

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DC. It's no longer there. Or at least in name, it's no longer there. I saw Inner Armor years ago, way back when Rock and Roll Hotel opened up. And I cannot remember who opened for them, who they were opening for that night. And I remember when George and I and the rest of the Metal Heads podcast crew saw them at Despo Prefest. I felt like I was the only one who had seen them up to that point. And I was like, at the time,

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George wasn't, but I was like, everyone else here is like a huge Inner Armor fan. How am I the only one who's seen them? I feel like maybe Will had seen them at some point. Yeah, probably. I remember seeing them way back and I didn't appreciate that show as much as the show we saw. Yeah. Probably because I'm not a super fan. I like their stuff. Yeah. But that show was good. That was amazing. That show was really good. So. I no longer doubt them. I just accept it is what it is. Could have a better album cover this year, though, I have to say.

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Yeah, it's a little tough for me. We won't go any further. Oh, new heaven even. It's called new heaven. Maybe that's why I thought of it as deaf heaven, but it does look like a deaf heaven album cover. I don't know what it looks like. I just know I don't like it. Yeah. No, that's there. That's what they want to do. That's what they're going to do. All right, John, what's next? All right. So this is an artist that I love, but I did not like this album when it came out and I was like, what the hell?

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What the hell is going on here?

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And then I heard the songs live and I said,

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what is wrong with me?

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And then I went back and listened to the album and appreciated it.

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But that doesn't make sense.

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You might think it does, but it doesn't.

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Now I know TR will get this only because he'll know

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why there's such a disparity between the album and live.

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Because George, I'm not sure if you've listened to this album before

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because we've never really talked about it.

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My next album is Joe Satriani, Engines of Creation. And that was almost on my list. I did not like this when it first came out. I was like, oh, it's all. I was not into Heck No or Electronica. Yep. Not being thrust into my face like this after following up the mammoth release, Crystal Planet, that came out before that. Yes. Which, to this day, battles neck and neck with surfing with the aliens.

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is my favorite Satriani album. Depends on the mood. I flip constantly on those two. It's 1A and 1B. And I was just like, this is crap. What is going on here? It's not Scottish. But then he released a live album, which I still can't believe you hadn't listened to this until I mentioned this to you. You know what? And I'm at a loss because I really don't know what to say about it. Did you finally listen? So I have. And it's okay.

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Yeah. I mean, I saw that tour, right? I mean, I've been on every tour that he's done. And honestly, like when that stuff was played live and I'm sure, you know, I don't want to take any of your thunder, but it was a totally different story. Right. That's what I was going to get. I mentioned this album. The album I was talking about was live in San Francisco, which came out in 2001, which was for this tour. And it's at the Fillmore in San Francisco. A real Fillmore, a real Fillmore. There's only two real ones. Yeah.

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New York and San Francisco. Yeah. And I've seen shows at the Fillmore. I've even gotten kicked out of the Fillmore for taking pictures. Did Bill Graham throw you out? I wish he had, because then at least then it would have been worth it. Yeah. Anyway, but have you ever been to the Fillmore in San Francisco? It's awesome. I mean, it's just there's so much history, even though it's the newer Fillmore. Still, there's a lot of history there. Songs he plays in that. First of all, that's a badass live show.

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And it's probably his best, I think, live album for what it portrays. That was all-encompassing up to that point. So to get to the point of what I'm trying to say is songs like Devil's Slide, Borg Sex, which are very techno on the album, you hear them live and you're like, what? I mean, they're huge. They're heavies. And it's not as heavy as songs. And I was like, why isn't this on the album? But then when I go back and listen to the techno versions, then I start to appreciate it a lot more.

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I think part of the problem was, TR, maybe you agree with this, maybe you don't, I don't know. Jeff Beck was releasing a lot of techno-based albums at that time, too. And everyone kept saying how Jeff Beck was doing it right and Joe Saturani was doing it wrong. It's like, I had that little demon in my head the whole time. But now this is one of my favorite albums of his after I've had so much time with it. He has some of his best songs. Like, Until We Say Goodbye is amazing for a ballad for him.

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Flavor Crystal 7. Yes. And of course the title track is just so freaking good. Yeah. So what I will kind of add to that is if you bought this album when it came out, it came with a little EP called Additional Creations. So good. Yes. And on that EP, there were a couple of tracks that had,

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the real drums. It was like they put live drums with it rather than the electronic drums that he had on the album. There's only one song on the album, Until We Say Goodbye, which is actually zero techno. It's just a regular Joe Satriani song with real drums. Right. Yes. But if you listen to the Flavor Crystal 7 on the additional creations, it's like a whole nother song because it's got real drums and it just it has a lot more propulsion.

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And so when I, of course, I got that additional creations EP because, you know, back then it was 2000. I went to record and tape traders here in Maryland and got, you know, the CD plus the, and they said, oh yeah, this comes with it. And I was like, oh, that's cool. You know, you know, up at the, like when you bought the album, they just, you know, the guy behind the, you know, the counter gave you this little EP CD that came with it.

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And I was like, oh, that's cool. You know, I didn't even know that I got would get that for free with the whole album. And it totally by hearing those tracks with the with real live drums with them, it changed my opinion of the music because it was like, oh, yeah, this kind of sounds like rocking, you know, once they put the real drums on there. And of course, when they played it live, there were real drums on there. You know, I mean, you know, that's the way it was presented live.

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So of course it kind of changed the whole vibe of the song when you had the real drums on there. But John, yeah, you're spot on. And I, it was, I've kind of felt the same way. I was like semi disappointed, but at the same time, I still did kind of like this album because I felt like he was really stretching a little bit and doing some things that I wouldn't expect him to do. And I think he was really trying to kind of get out of his comfort zone with this album.

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And I think he did that. Everything changed after this album. It did. Yeah. Because his whole career changed that in terms of how he approached every album. Yeah. I think he kind of unshackled himself a little. You know, I think he really kind of enabled himself to really do anything. Yeah. I mean, even though when you think about it as an instrumental guitarist, he was already pushing the limit of what could be done. But even within his own genre,

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He had limited himself in some ways. And this album, I think, was his approach at, okay, I'm going to do something so different that nobody would expect me to do, which was this album. And he still ended up doing a really interesting thing. And, you know, yeah. So, wow, John, you know, this was, I almost thought, I kind of thought about doing this, but it didn't quite make my list at all.

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But I like passed through my mind just briefly. And I'm so glad you brought this up because it you know, it's an album that now that you mention it, I'm yeah, I kind of did feel a little bit like that. But not to probably the same level you did. But it was kind of like, after Crystal Planet. I mean, it's just such a letdown. Yeah, it's a total letdown. Oh, my God. But like, when you look at when you look at it, through the lens of like where we are now,

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he's done. It's, you know, it's a very good album for sure. Yeah. I'll just finish up with adding one thing about the EP and one thing about the album itself. What was cool, TR said, there was rockin' versions, which were for the songs Borg, Sex, and Flavor, Crystal 7, which are two cool songs anyway, but now you have the live drums. But the unreleased song Turkey Man is awesome. Oh, yeah. But he then provides a techno version of Until We Say Goodbye, which is the only song on the album that,

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is a regular song. Yeah, he flipped it. And the one last thing I'll say is what also turned me on to liking this album is there's a song called Devil's Slide. And Devil's Slide, there's a part of Highway 1 in Northern California, right near where I lived for a good part of my life, called Devil's Slide. And I used to drive it all the time, like every day. And it eventually slid into a new album.

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the ocean part of the road. Twice. They finally built the tunnel there. But as soon as I saw that live, I was like, yeah, man. Devil slide right on, brother. That's 15 minutes, 10 minutes from where I used to live. Awesome. So anyway, just that training, engines of creation. Cool. Wow. All right. So you guys get your clubs out. You're going to beat me over the head. Yeah. You're going to be like,

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Oh, you are such a poser. I don't even know you. George, can you quick download an angry chanting crowd with pitchforks? Yeah, just get, you know, what's that witch hunt off of a rush. All right. So here it is. Queensryche Operation Mind Crime. What? Yeah. So this is another album I got when it came out. This is more shock than anything else. Yeah. Yeah. Wait till you hear this. So I got this when it came out. I could not wait to get this because I was a big queen

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I still am I couldn't wait to see what they would do after Rage for Order which kind of felt a little experimental and I remember listening to this album and being a little put off by the story a junkie assassin a prostitute turned nun the brainwashing Dr. X murders drugs insanity the seediness of the whole thing I just kind of got put off by the whole story it's so 80s and

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So add to it that it was kind of a rock opera, which was a format that I never really kind of got into. And I was initially kind of really disappointed. And which, you know, now seems completely ridiculous. But at the time, I just was like, what the hell is this? You know, I just didn't get it. It's kind of funny. Go ahead, George. It's kind of funny because I hated Queensryche until this album. I thought Rage for Order was so

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I was like what is that no that's awful and then this came out and metal what and then this came out and I was like what is this about and then I listened to it and I was obsessed with Operation Mindcrime it was so good I mean it was it would have been my album of the year I'm sure or something but yeah it was yeah so that was the turning point for me it's really funny because I just kind of did not get this and I put it away

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and I didn't really listen to it for months. I got it when it came out. I rushed to the store because I was like, oh, Queens writes out a new album. It's finally here. And I listened to it and I'm like, what the hell is this all about? I just didn't get it. And I thought, this is disgusting. And what kind of story is it? Disgusting? Wow. Yeah, I just thought, what the hell? Good day, sir. You got to remember, I was kind of prim and proper in the day. Not like I'm not today.

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I was even more so back then. So anyway, I think it was my buddy Colin that convinced me to give it another chance because he was like, dude, you got to listen to this album. It's so good. And I'm like, I did listen to this album and I don't get it. And he's like, no, you need to focus on the music more and put the story and the lyrics aside and just listen to the music. And so I did. And I eventually kind of got past my initial distaste for the story and the lyrics and the lyrics.

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the whole thing about all the stuff that I was initially kind of put off by. And of course now, it's pretty much like one of their best albums ever. I mean, it's like pretty much... It is their best album. I'll die on the hill with The Warning because I love The Warning even more. I like The Warning and the EP. I love that stuff so much. And certainly, obviously, Mindcrime is incredible and the music on that.

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and just the journey it takes you on is really amazing. And even though I was kind of put off by the story and like this, the CD kind of nature of the whole thing, after I kind of got over that and took it for what it was and just like really appreciated the music that was there, there was no going back. So, you know, it's musically very inspired and the songs are incredible on this album. And it's very, you've got an incredible diversity.

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from just some mellow, arpeggiated, clean guitar stuff to just pounding things like needle lies and all that kind of stuff. So anyway, yeah. So I got to give a shout out to my buddy Colin, who pretty much was like, no, dude, you need to give this another chance. You got this wrong. And he was right, because after I listened to it some more, I was like, yeah, I got this wrong.

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So it's no longer a rock metal opera. Now it's a concept album. Yeah. Here's where I'm having a hard time with all this TR. Okay. How were you not into an opening with Anarchy X, Revolution Calling, and Operation Mindcrime all back to back? I mean, that's just like a kick in the face. That was awesome. Yeah, no doubt. But then,

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It gets into all this, you know, he's always long filth. The problem was Dr. X, right? Yeah. That and just like the whole, like, he's a junkie and he's like trying to kill people and he's, you know, like, he's getting told in Delaware, didn't you? Yeah, I did. Actually, that's the problem. Yeah. Yeah. For those of us who grew up in a major metropolitan area, that's far for the course. Yeah. Welcome to every day. Exactly.

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That's a good one. That's a change of heart. My best friend is a junkie assassin prostitute. Yeah. Who's now a nun. A nun, yes. So, TR, do you now think back to those days and realize, wow, the wheels came off two albums later and they never put them back on? Yeah. That's unfortunately, so, I don't know, and I don't want to speak out of turn because this could become, like, another episode at some point.

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But I know that we all have bands that we've always loved despite whatever they put out. And I always kept hoping for this band to recover somehow. You just kept saying, I'm staying on target? I did not buy Q2K. And I don't think I bought Promised Land. And I kind of gave up on them after Empire because it was like, what happened? And but I kept hoping.

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I kept hoping maybe this next album is going to be the one where they kind of come have this triumphant comeback. I have so many bands like that. Well, I would suggest that you zip it and save it. Because we could talk about this again. I think maybe so. I probably shouldn't have revealed all that. Put that on the secret sheet of the possible shows in the future. I'm going to hazard a guess that you might have some approving voices on that conversation.

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So my next one is another, I mean, obscure to people that aren't metal heads, metal album band slash whatever. And this is the band Bluthaus Nord. So this is one of my biggest tragedies in life. You know, in 2003, when the work which transforms God came out,

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I got a copy of the promo in the mail. Back then it was an actual CD in a sleeve. And I looked while we were talking and I must have taken it down because I was embarrassed. It's no longer on this. The review is no longer on the site. But I think it was like a one sentence review that said. Shit sandwich. It wasn't shit sandwich. But it was something like that. Can't say that. It was nitpicking. Instead of the work which trans.

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God, I think it was the work, I said, the work which transforms crap. And that was the whole review. Basically shit sandwich with three or four more words. Yeah, pretty much. So then fast forward to seven or eight years, then the 777 trilogy comes out. Oh yeah. And I'm like, whoa. And then, you know, and then Memorial of a two to three came out with all that Bathory worship. And I was just like,

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Yeah, okay.

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Blue House Nord is an amazing band.

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And to this day, I still think they're an amazing band, despite the crazy stuff they've been doing the last couple of years.

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Which is the stuff I like a lot.

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The last three albums I like a lot.

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Yeah.

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And I've even gone back and listened to the work which transforms God.

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And I'm like, yeah, okay, this is not as bad as I thought it was.

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I just wasn't in the place to understand it at the time.

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So, sorry, guys.

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But a question about that, George, because I have some bands like that, too. When you finally get past it and then you go back and listen to the stuff that you didn't like, this isn't like Duran Duran. Blood House Nord is definitely avant-garde. Oh, yeah. That label gets thrown around a lot, but Blood House Nord is avant-garde. They're always pushing the limits and going in different directions. So when you go back, is it an album you actually like now?

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Or is it more an album like, hey, I appreciate what he was doing here or what they're doing here. I'm not sure if it how it would rank still if I had to rank their albums, but I appreciate it. Or you're like, OK, totally get this. Not my favorite direction. But man, I really like this a lot now. I mean, I get it. I listen. I've probably only listened to it the once because I like the other stuff so much better. But I went back and I listened and I was like, yeah, OK, this is, you know, I mean, it got like some good reviews.

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and a lot of people really like the work which transforms God. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. And I don't hate it. I could listen to it if I wanted to, but I like some of this other stuff more. So I'm going to listen to that instead. Okay, cool. But it, you know, the point was that it entirely turned me around on the band in general. So. That's awesome. I love when that happens and then you're like, I need all of it. Yeah. And this is why in the recent years,

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I am loathe to come out hard against a band. Because I know as soon as I do, I'm going to eat my words. So I might be like... Especially when, you know, you post it and people can go listen to it. And then it's, oh, I did say that. They got me. There's only one band I feel that strongly about that I could say every single time. I hate these guys. Steel Panther. Yep.

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I'm just waiting for you to be like, dude, I finally get it. He's never going to get it. I'm the furthest thing from a prude and I hate all their lyrics. They're just stupid. The music is stupid. And it's still the worst opening act ever for Priest. It was stupid. I will die on that hill. If you all want to ride that in the sunset, you have a good time with it. I don't regret you from that. I'm not going to disagree with you there. For me?

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Yeah, I mean, the prude over here, he's not going to listen to that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I don't have a problem with it.

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I get it.

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I mean, I think it's, I've heard some songs and I'm like, it's kind of funny, but I'm not like, I have no stake in it.

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So I'm like, I don't care.

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I'm not saying anything about them as musicians or as people.

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I just hate the music.

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I know they're actually very good musicians.

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I know that.

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I just don't like the music.

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Sorry.

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Anyway, that's not where to talk about.

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That's another great pick. But all these, I think, are not revelations, but man, they're really good picks to prove your change of heart. We should wait for the next three. Oh, yes. We've got some more here. Yeah. All right. So my third one, and I'm still now doing the ones I did not like that I have become a big fan of. This is definitely one of them. This is definitely, which is, this one's strange because I actually,

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I liked this guy's first album. And then I kind of lost touch a little bit. And the funny thing is I liked his first album, but after I heard it after this album I'm going to bring up came out, but I did not like this album when it came out. So it's a weird kind of a circular way I got into becoming a fan and I became a big fan. I don't collect any more of his music. After a while, I was just like, I've got plenty to keep me busy.

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I don't know how he's super prolific, but some stuff after a while was, okay, I'm not digging on this direction as much as the other stuff. But nonetheless, here's another MTV artist that got just so much play. And I was like, I don't like this adult contemporary crap that they're playing on MTV. Where's my Iron Maiden in Rush? Is it Michael McDonald? Hey, everybody. Michael McDonald. Hey, TR, this is Michael McDonald called him. Or who's the guy that does,

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with the blonde curly hair that does the

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when a man knows a woman. Michael Bolton. Michael Bolton.

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Yeah, is it Michael Bolton? The other Michael.

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No. No. Okay, good.

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I'd have felt bad if I'd called out either of your choices.

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By the way, go back and listen to Everybody's Crazy

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by Michael Bolton. You can see he used to be a hard rocker.

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Yeah, and I know. I saw him.

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I went and listened to his band prior to being solo,

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and I was like, yeah, he's kind of a rocker.

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I'll say this. Say whatever you want about Michael Bolton.

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The dude could sing.

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Oh yeah, of course. And still one of the greatest lines ever. You could just call me Mike. You don't have to call me Michael anymore. Office space. Anyway. So my album, like I said, I hated it. I thought it was adult contemporary crap. I didn't understand it. And then when the light switch came on, I just dove in so hard. This is Joe Jackson, Night and Day. It came out in 1982. Wow. Love me, Joe. Absolutely love Joe Jackson. I could not stand.

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I absolutely could not stand stepping out. It was like, and here he's playing on this little piano. I'm like, I don't like that jazz influence crap adult stuff. And then breaking a sudden too. And I was like, oh my God, this guy's whining about his relationship. And then the light switch turned on. I was like, these songs are so good because I started to realize what was behind the music. You know, I started to hear the musicianship. Then I started realizing this guy was a post-punk guy, kind of tail into punk with,

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Look Sharp, which I love Look Sharp. And then I'm the Man, I love those two albums. Then he did that kind of whole, remember when a lot of the UK artists were doing a lot of the, it's not ska yet, but they were incorporating kind of like some reggae into the music. And it was very punkish at the time. And I was like, I don't know about that. And then he got in this whole jazz thing he was doing. Oh yeah. The Tucker soundtrack, dude. Yes. You know, and everything after that, that followed. And then he got into more, I guess we call it, it's a somewhat adult,

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But it really isn't. It's just kind of art pop or art rock. And then he did a cover by Fleetwood Mac. And I was like, whoa, I'm so in. Because I like Peter Green version of Fleetwood Mac. Jen right now is getting the hammer to slug me over the head for saying that because that's one of her favorite bands. You know, so anyway, yes, back to Joe Jackson. I fell in love with this album. And it's this album is more than just those two songs. It's just loaded with so many good songs. And I never got the whole

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Tribute to Cole Porter, that style of music and the wit and everything. And it started to make more sense as I listened. And then songs like Another Day, Chinatown, Cancer, Real Men. I mean, the closing song, A Slow Song is so good. Then I got to finally see him live. I've only seen him once. The show was just, his band was awesome. He was so good. And I became a huge fan. And I've probably got, I don't know. I've gotten, like I said, any of the recent output, but I've probably got,

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Everything from his beginning up through the mid-2000s, maybe. That's a fair amount of albums. All his live stuff, it's just so good. There's not really much to say if you don't know Joe Jackson. Yeah. But he's covered a lot of ground in his career. He's incredibly talented. He's got a unique voice, because when you listen to him on songs like I'm the Man, or Got the Time, he has a very punkish voice. And then you hear him stepping in, like, who's this guy on the piano at my...

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Restaurant. You know, am I supposed to tip him before I leave? You know. Is this dinner theater? He's so good. And now those songs, when I hear them, I appreciate them even more. Because to think, this is the dude that sang the song, I'm the man. And then you're hearing Breaking the Centennial, like, that's only five years apart, three or four years apart, if that, you know, so. So I'm a huge Joe Jackson fan as well. And to my discomfort,

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I did not know Joe Jackson until 1991 when his Laughter and Lust album came out when he had the Obvious Song and Stranger Than Fiction. And I just jumped on board and I was like, this is awesome. Now, it doesn't mean I didn't hear any of the previous songs, but I didn't know who it was. Okay. So glad you brought that album up. I absolutely love that album. It's a great album. And, you know, I bought this when it came out. I was like, this guy's cool. You know, I don't know who he is, Joe Jackson. I mean, it's a very,

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You know, like generic kind of name, but I heard this song and I was like, oh, this is awesome. And so I picked it up and I was into the album. I didn't really dig into the back catalog for probably a few years, at least after that. And then, you know, I think I picked up his like best of or something. And I was like, there's so many good songs. And I'm a huge Joe Jackson fan now.

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So the album that really turned me on was the album prior to the one you just mentioned, which was Blaze of Glory. Which, if you haven't heard that, it's so freaking good. I absolutely love it. Those two albums together, I always enjoyed. Have you heard the song 19 Forever? You may have heard that. A Rant and Rave. Those are really big songs that came out. So, man, that makes me happy. It warms my heart.

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How long did it take you to realize that anthrax covered him? When did that come out? Because mid-80s. Right. So I didn't really know Joe Jackson at the time. So I didn't know. So yeah, that's what I was wondering. It was probably when I picked up the greatest hits album and I was like, oh, although I feel like I knew when the album came out that I like read it and I was like, oh, this is a cover by some guy named Joe Jackson. I didn't like it. I probably didn't place it for a while, but then I was like, oh, yeah.

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That guy's banned from baseball, isn't he? Joe Jackson. Yeah, shoeless Joe Jackson. He wore shoes and they looked sharp. I can't believe he's really going out with them. I know. You know, it's different for girls. They don't have those shoe problems. It's biology. Yeah. Oh, man. That makes me happy. Joe Jackson's awesome. Yeah. Whenever he's on the radio or your radio, you know. Oh,

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I like to listen to him when I'm reading the Sunday paper. Oh, yeah. That was pretty bad. Let's do it one more time. I mean, we got the time. Boy, that was an obvious song to pick. All right. All right. So. So you guys will appreciate this one. So this next one is a band that. I think I've seen.

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over, I think, 19 times. Let me do a quick check here. I, oh, shoot. I lost it. Anyway, this band is a band that I totally love now, but at the time, I kind of loved, but didn't realize how much I loved them yet. And this album is Opeth Deliverance.

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So when Opeth's album Damnation came out, I loved it immediately. Because it was like, essentially, almost like a lost prog album. And there were no growling vocals. It was like, you know, if Camel put something out, but it was Opeth. What did Camel get a new singer? Wait a minute. And so, Opeth's album Damnation came out.

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I toured with Porcupine Tree in 2003. And I enjoyed the show, but they didn't do any songs with growls because they were playing Damnation to get to hook all those Porcupine Tree fans. I saw that tour. And I had checked out some of that stuff, but I didn't care for the Cookie Monster vocals at that time, right? So... Death Metal Cookies! Yeah. So this is about the time I started to get to know John.

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And he was telling me, look, you need to focus on the music. Kind of like Queensryche. Kind of like the Queensryche. Had to kind of come around to it. Now, I will say it still took me a little while to warm up to the vocals. This was a tough slog because John kept beating on me like, dude, you got to listen to this. This is really good. You're doing yourself a disservice by not listening to this.

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And so I went to see them live. And I became more impressed with their talent. The whole band was incredibly talented. Mike, his personality is always shines through. He's kind of comedic. It's almost like seeing a stand-up comic when he does his in-between the songs. He's got this kind of droll, dry sense.

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of humor. And then, of course, the band kind of had this... Sorry. Something popped up and I didn't realize it was going to do that. My phone's connected to the thing. Okay. Sorry. And then, of course, the light and shade of Opeth, you know, of what they do. You know, you could have a song that's, like, intensely brutal and then becomes, like, this pastoral, you know, acoustic number. And so... So I'll say, admittedly,

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Mike is one of the few growlers that I really like. Once I got over this hump, I came to realize that I could take certain growling. It had to be good. And Mike's one of those where I feel like he really does it right. I always felt, okay, once I got over that hump, it was like, okay, when it comes to growls, Mike's really, he's got it, right? The Opeth growls are probably some of the best in the business.

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And so obviously, like the song Deliverance itself, which is on this album, they played, you know, numerous times. And so I went on setlist.fm, which, you know, I've put every concert I ever went into to into that. Thanks to John, who said, dude, you got to put your piece of paper away. Yeah, put your spreadsheet in the trash and put it all on setlist.fm. And thankfully I did. I still have the set, or the, I still have the spreadsheet.

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But now, you know, with Setlist FM, you can go in and you can see what's what the most, you know, what songs that you've seen the most times. And, you know, you can go to whatever artists that you've seen and what songs you've seen by them. And so according to Setlist FM, I've seen them play the song Deliverance 17 times, which I know John's probably seen them play that probably 100 times. But it's still always a highlight.

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And we were talking about this just recently when we saw Opeth early in October on their latest tour. And every time we go to see them, we go, oh, man, if they play Deliverance again, I don't know, man. We've heard that so many times. And then they play it and we go, oh, man, this is so good. And we're like, and then when they get to the very end of the song, we're like, and then we're all just going crazy because it's,

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Yeah, this is so good. And the three minute instrumental at the end is awesome. Yeah, which is so cool. I mean, oh man, what a great part of that song. And so, yeah, so it's so funny because initially I was like, I don't know about these Cookie Master vocals. Now you don't call them that. Now I'm just like, yeah, I don't even think about it. Now you just say harsh vocals. I'm just like, yeah, exactly. And so, yeah, I came around on Opeth and yeah, I love them so much.

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So I want you said one of the few. So who are some of the other harsh vocals? Oh, I know. I know one. He knows he knows right off the bat and that's amorphous. Okay. That's a good one. And I actually don't mind what the guy in the ocean. Okay. What's his name? If he's still in the band, if he's yeah, low. I hope I don't know how that's going to go. Yeah. I'm disappointed that they're like, totally. I don't know what they're doing, but they're changing up that the band. I hope he stayed because

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He's who I identify with the band. Stapps to me is he's the main. No, in terms of the voice. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, absolutely. I expect to hear him now because he's been on what, one, two, three, four, five, six albums. Yeah. So, I mean, but so to answer your question, George, I mean, there really, there aren't a lot. And when it comes to harsh vocals, I still, they have to be really good. And I, and there are some that I just,

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I'll never get into, but the ones I mentioned are ones that, yeah, I'm good with them. I like them. But for the most part, I'm not jumping on the bandwagon of harsh vocals, I'll say that. Sure. Yeah. If you think Mike is good with Opeth, and he is, I personally think he, at his peak, was probably the top harsh vocalist in metal. Now, there's people who disagree with that. That's fine.

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of our favorites, but I personally like them the most. I got an album to give you. If you think you like them, I'm not saying that sarcastically, I got to give you the Live at Valken from Bloodbath. Okay. I know Will swears by this. That album, first of all, if you think about it, it's members of Opeth, Catatonia, and Edgesanity, which is awesome because they're all prog-driven bands, albeit metal.

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But Bloodbath is kind of a different story, right? Yeah, that's their nod to Swedish death metal. But George, you've seen or heard the Live at Valken, right? Yeah. He is just on that album. I was going to ask, since you like Mike, if you like Bloodbath, because his blood, like Resurrection Through Carnage, his vocals are amazing. Listen to Cry My Name, last track on Resurrection Through Carnage.

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And tell me Mike is not awesome. So I have to admit, I haven't listened to a lot of that stuff. So I thought that's why I thought Valken might be good because it's everything he's done with them. But the quality is actually very good, I thought, for a live album. Okay. Yeah, I'll definitely check it out because honestly, you know, after seeing Opeth however many times. And you've seen Bloodbath for two songs. And I did see Bloodbath. And I will say that it was like, it was definitely way more intense.

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the music was on the verge of, I don't know, it's way more brutal.

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Yeah. And that, I don't know that like, that's kind of not my thing necessarily. Cause you know, I've never really been one for like real extreme metal.

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What about like brave murder day?

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I couldn't tell you. I don't know one thing about it.

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That's catatonia.

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Oh, I thought that was a band.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Day is awesome.

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Yeah. Okay. Like certainly catatonia.

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Like I'm not the catatonia you're thinking of.

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It was Mike doing harsh vocals for Catatonia. Oh, okay. In 1996, that came out when Opeth was on the verge of No More. That and the EP are just so good. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. You also have to watch the live video of Valken when he does the whole, he gets the Valken crowd to do the screams for him. He says, all right, do this vocals and you hear the crowds all going.

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All right, do this one. And everyone goes, brrr. It's just Danny Filth. And the whole audience goes, real high-pitched voice. Wow. Then they go into, like, fire. And it's just, oh, my God, this is so good. All right, awesome. Wow, I didn't think you dropped that bomb on everybody. See that? This is a pretty revelatory issue, I think. And I don't know if I've seen them with you every single time you've gone, but... Pretty close, I think. I would be surprised. 19's a good close.

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I have to look it up. Got to look at my spreadsheet. Your digital spreadsheet? My digital spreadsheet. As opposed to a paper spreadsheet? Oh, that's not a joke. He really had a paper spreadsheet. Actually, that doesn't surprise me at all. I finally had it. Couldn't take it anymore. You're like, dude, you can go online and do this. And you're like, I'm not getting online. And I actually. So I just looked it up. I kind of berated you a little bit about it. Then I, all of a sudden I get a call.

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our text messages like hey dude i'm on setlist.fm this is kind of cool

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yeah so here's the thing like during covid it was like i during that whole covid time

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i can't tell you like how much indexing i did during that whole period like i got on discogs and dumped all of my collection into discogs i went into setlist.fm and completely

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We put my whole spreadsheet into that thing. So now it's like anywhere I go, I can get on the internet and see my whole collection or whatever shows I went to. So, John, you know, look, I'll never let you check. I'll never get I'll never get close to you. But I got 26 shows with. Yeah, I'm not going through all mine to figure it out. So I'll let you do it. It's easier. If I was there, you'll know. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I've been to a few shows. Yeah.

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Yeah. You could probably double or triple what I did. Yes. Okay. So my next one is heading out of the metal realm now and down under. Oh, this is in excess. Yes. So in the 80s, when I was too metal for metal, man, I was hardcore. I was like death to false metal and everything. There's a metal man. And

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NXS was one of those bands that all those freaking nerds, not nerds, I was a nerd, all those preppies listened to. And I was not into this band at all until I got out of high school. And then in 1991, they put out X. That far. Oh my goodness. I was so metal, man. I can't help how metal I am. Okay. I just can't help how metal I am.

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out. You had Suicide Blonde. I was like, oh, Disappear. Really cool tune. Disappear is awesome. The Stairs is my jam, but then Bitter Tears by my side. I mean, it was a great album. And so I was like, maybe I'll go listen to some of these other things. Listen like these. Oh my God. You know, Kick, of course. And so, and then from there it was just a floodgate and I was like, in excess rules. Wow. So, yeah. That is wild. Isn't it though?

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I think you got more than TR's gotten from me so far in the what's. Yeah. What? So this is, just real quick, that's one of the few bands in that new wave-ish kind of realm that I was into right away because, once again, that's damn MTV. There was an album they released called, I always say it wrong. Shabu Shabba. Shabu Shabba.

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But they had this little song called The One Thing. And I loved it. And I kept thinking, when I watched that video, I was like, man, I hope that cat gets that chicken every time. Because they're doing this whole thing at this table of decadence, eating food. And there's a cat walking on the table. There's a chicken. And I was like, get that chicken. And then a song called Don't Change.

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Those two songs, I was like, oh, these songs are amazing. And I kind of liked that they had this little bit of a twang in their guitar sound, even though it was new wave-ish. And so I was in early on. And that's one of the few of those bands that I was spot on. And I absolutely, I probably broke my kick CD. I listened, and I didn't care what anyone said. I don't give a crap what you say. I like metal, but I like this. This is good.

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Yeah, it is. I absolutely, this came up because I think it was on one of the, I think it was like The Voice or something recently. And the song Never Tear Us Apart. And I'm like, that riff. I'm like, it doesn't get any cooler than that. Yeah. And that's that he had, and I think he's using a telly on that. It gets that little bit of a just. Yeah. That's going to give you the twang that you're talking about. Yeah. But it's not an obnoxious twang. No, it's subtle. Yeah. Just enough. Yeah. Oh my God.

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Yeah, so good. And that's not even remotely close to my favorite song off a kick either, which is so funny. I mean, I don't think there's a song on that album I don't like, so. Cool. I like it. Good one. Back to you for number two. This is where it's going to get nasty now. Now we're going to talk about albums I liked at first, and now I'm just like, it's going to take a lot for me to find something I like on this album. Wow. And this is from one of my favorite bands.

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I'm going there. I don't care. Any you 80s synth fans say. This album's not that good. It's just not. It's great. I thought it was good at first, and then everyone kept telling me this album stinks. Nah, nah, this is good. Didn't take long. The tide turned fast. This is Rush. Hold Your Fire.

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Comments! Till the end. Dude. I can't. So you liked that album when it came out? Well, because I was such a Rush fan, and I was doing everything possible to find the silver lining in this. So you were one of the people that were like, Ty Shand's got a pretty cool riff. No. No. All right. I kept saying, okay, yeah, this is cool. Time stands still. Okay, yeah, it's kind of a poppy song, but it's still a well-written song. But I should have gotten the sign right from the start.

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I have never liked Force 10. I've always thought it was a weak opening single for an album. And every time I go back and listen, I'm like, I really like the way it starts. The intro is cool. And then he starts singing. And then the chorus happens. And then that god awful guitar solo. And I love Alex Lifeson. I'm like, what is this? Don't even do anything. I just always felt, oh.

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But there is a silver lining on this album. There are two songs I do a lot. All right. I do like Mission. I think kind of has that. Well, Mission captures what they were doing during that period. Yeah. And then I do turn the page. I think that's kind of a banger song. Okay. I'll give you that. And I do like, I did get it. Say I got excited because there was a heavy riff during High Water. Oh, that's what, yeah, that's what I was actually thinking about was High Water. Because, yeah, it kind of had,

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That pricked you a little bit. Yeah. This is kind of cool riff. You know, it's okay. This might salvage the whole thing. But it doesn't. However, I will say I have warmed more to that song over time because I was like, okay, this is not a bad song. And I always kind of liked how the percussion was a nod back to Mystic Rhythms a little bit. I was like, okay, that's cool. You know, Prime Mover. It's okay. What's the memo to a higher office? What's that tune? Oh, the music's great. The lyrics suck.

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I actually liked it just gets killed with it's so wimpy like the oh dude I there was I wanted to love it too I really did cuz I love rush and I just remember listening to that album and just being like oh man what happened to this band god yeah can I just interject for a moment we can do the half hour down the rabbit hole after as we always do with rush but I like two more quick comments and I'm done I think

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I think you need to go back and tell people the truth John the actual truth that while yes this fits the category you didn't like Rush at all to begin with when you first heard them no I didn't so oh you got to take it back to the beginning yeah I didn't like that at first that although I did 2112 I like that out yeah yeah I mean who doesn't like but I didn't I you know what but the reason I didn't like them

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This is my old friend who I have not seen in decades, which is a shame. My old friend, Jim Rossi, who lived across the street from me, I was an ACDC guy. And while he liked ACDC, he got into Rushmore. And we always were battling each other and going nuts with each other over sports and stuff. And he was a Raiders fan, boo. And I was a Niners fan. He was like, boo. But we were both Giants fans, so we agreed on that.

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And I didn't like him because he didn't ACDC as much as I did. So I was like, I'm not going to like Rush, boo. And then he moved. And 2112 was still in the back of my head. You know? And I was like, oh, Tom Sawyer. And then behind closed doors, Tom Sawyer's kind of cool. And then I got exit stage left. And I was like, what was I thinking? Because the live versions, whatever you think about the production,

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The live versions of those songs are the way they play them like Xanadu. I was just blown away. It's just my whole mind. And then the live full version of Red Barchetta, you know, where it doesn't fade out and you get that whole extra 30 seconds at the end, which is a really cool, neat kind of takedown, you know, final of the song. Oh, yeah. So I didn't like it at first. But I will say real quick, the reason, another reason TRI like Mission is it's got a little bit of a marathon vibe from Power Windows 2.

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a slight bit. And I was, I love Marathon from that album. I think it's one of their best from that era. And so I was like, okay, these two songs are like, and I have one last thing to say about the album, and I don't want to talk about it ever again. Until next time. Until next time. But TR, I think you'll agree with this. Yeah. Just let me finish before you laugh. I will try. Tai Shan. Ugh. Ugh. What were they thinking?

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All right, so that's it. I gotta drink some water. I gotta sour taste in my mouth. Oh, boy. Somebody gave me an apple Jolly Rancher. Yeah. Wow, that's sour. It's a lot sour. More sour than I thought. Okay, so this is gonna be another revelation for you guys. Mother Earth? Not quite. Okay. So, George, we just saw them. No! Yes, Iron Maiden. What'd you have on?

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Do It. It's a twofer. Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son of a Seventh Son. So I love Peace of Mind and Power Slave in high school. So by all rights, I should have been all over these albums when they came out. And I think the singles didn't do much for me and I just didn't bother. I don't know why I did not glom on to Somewhere in Time when it came out because I loved Power Slave. I listened to that album.

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almost to the point where the record was, you know, cored out from the needle going through it a thousand times. And so I don't know why I did not get into Somewhere in Time. I mean, by all rights, I should have. Like, I don't know what prevented me from going out and getting that album or why I didn't feel compelled to get it. And I don't know if it was like, you know, when the singles came out, I just didn't care about it.

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or I didn't feel like it sounded like Power Slave. Which it did not. Which it did not. Not even close. But I don't know. I mean, I guess I just felt like either I lost the plot or the band lost the plot, one or the other. And I just kind of lost track of them at that point. Like, I just kind of, you know, hung up the phone on Iron Maiden. And, you know, when the band recently started revisiting albums from the past during their live shows, I went back and listened to these again.

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And they're both really good. Yeah. Like, kind of went back and I was like, what was I thinking? These are really good albums. And I think this is a case like Dehumanizer. These albums weren't Peace of Mind or Power Slave, so I kind of ignored them. But now I really like them. I mean, there are plenty of good riffs. Bruce sounds really good. And while the guitar synthesizers kind of put me off, I can hear past that now. Yeah. And getting to hear songs from these albums during the current and recent tours has been a real treat because, you know,

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I didn't see Iron Maiden until their second go-around in 2000. And so I never really, you know, I didn't see the tours that they did with these albums. So I didn't really hear the songs that they played on those tours at the time. And so, you know, that might have swayed me. If I had gone and seen the Somewhere in Time tour, maybe I would have kind of come away thinking, wow, this is really better than I thought it was. But I didn't do that.

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And I actually didn't, like I said, I didn't see them until 2000 when they, you know, when they kind of came back with Bruth. Yeah, Brave New World. And so it wasn't until years later when they started playing some of these songs live that I was like, maybe I should go back and listen to these albums a little closer. And I did. And I was like, man, these are really good albums. What was wrong with me? Like, why didn't I listen to this? And now I kind of feel, man, what happened? Because they're both,

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really good albums.

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You're not entirely wrong.

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You know,

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I was a huge power slave fan still am.

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Yeah.

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And when somewhere in time came out,

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I was nonplussed.

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I was like,

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I mean,

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yeah,

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it's okay.

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But it was,

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and still is from the Bruce era.

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One of the last albums that I would go to pick,

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even though I'm a,

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I mean,

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Alexander the Great is one of my favorite songs.

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And yes,

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we'll talk about that later,

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but,

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but yeah,

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the,

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I mean,

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the guitar sense didn't bother me,

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but it didn't help the situation either.

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Yeah.

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Now, Seventh Son, I loved when it came out. And I do like Somewhere in Time. I've grown to appreciate it more over the years, but I understand why at the time it could put you off. Because I was just, eh, this is not as heavy as Power Slave. Power Slave was freaking heavy. It was like Defenders of the Faith of Priest. Yeah, exactly. And all of a sudden it's not as heavy and it's synth-y and it's, eh, what? But you know, when you actually listen to it, it is heavy.

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If you get past the guitar synth sounds, like the guitar interplay and the riffs and everything, if this had been done, like if they took the synth out, it would be like right after Power Slay. It would make sense. And you know, Martin Birch was on that album and he produced it, so it's not like it was like a different producer came in and kind of changed the sound. That's what they chose to do and he still produced it, but it just didn't have

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the same heft that that power slave did with the same kind of you know i don't know the fullness of sound that i felt was there and i think because of that lack of oomph i just you know at the time i just kind of just didn't think it was anything worth listening to and now i feel like what was i thinking again you know yeah there's no bad songs on there yeah there really isn't i mean the stuff

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is awesome. And so I feel like I just didn't give him a fair shake. And it's kind of a shame because again, it's there. I could have been listening to these albums way more than I did, but you know, I'm making up for it now. And John's over there just shaking his head some more. I don't actually disagree about Seventh Son. I'm not, as you guys know, I'm the only one in the Metalhead's podcast. I'm not a big fan of that album. It's okay. Oh man. Evil that men do. It's all right. I like it. But I mean, if I had to choose any one of the first five albums, I'm choosing.

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I actually do somewhere in time. There's C.A. Madness. Jay, shout out to you. C.A. Madness is just so good. And it's funny, if I had to think about it, I think 7-7 would be the eighth album I picked. I would pick before I'd listen. There's seven other albums I'd rather listen to before that. Yeah, because I love, I actually liked the first two albums when Bruce and Adrian came back in the band. Yeah. Brave New World.

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And I actually like Dance of Death. I know that's an album that people either like or they don't like. It's like a Passchendaele on it. Yeah. The live version of that is just one of their best songs they've done since the reforming of the band. Yeah. Worst album cover, but not a terrible album. Yeah. The album cover was pretty terrible. Yeah. I don't even know what they did on that one. It's like this computer generating. Yeah. It's one of the first AI album covers. See, even the AI sucked back then.

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That's good. The Maiden stuff. It's funny. I didn't see Maiden until 2002. Oh. Because while I liked them in high school, I was a priest guy first and foremost. Okay. But I had heard Maiden Japan first when I was in grade school. I had it and I was like, well, this is all right. It's not bad. You know, I liked it. Then I heard a number of the beasts. I was like, oh, I like this. This is cool. But I just never got into them as much as priests, but I always liked them.

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So I think my first time seeing them was with Motorhead Dio. Was it? Oh, yeah. I remember that tour. Yeah, that tour was amazing. I know that was awesome. But that's my first show, believe it or not. Wow. That's shocking. I thought you would have seen them back in 83 or, you know, sometime back then. No, because when they toured and I've looked and maybe I've missed it on the itinerary, but when they toured for Power Slave, which would have been their first real big U.S. tour, like they're playing big venues.

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I don't think they played the Bay Area for that tour. Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. So I could be wrong about that. I'd have to go back and look but I don't know if they did. I saw them in. Before that they were smaller places weren't they? Like peace of mind still wasn't a. Correct. Yeah. They weren't playing huge places yet so. Yeah. I saw them in 1991 somewhere around there for No Prayer for the Dying. Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. See they got some clunkers after 7th Sun. I like No Prayer for the Dying. I mean.

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I get why people don't but there's some good songs on there

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yeah I mean Fear of the Dark's got some decent songs

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I just wish they'd stop playing that song live

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yeah

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I know I know

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they finally got

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they finally changed the end of the show

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they finally started doing Wasted Years

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at the end you know and they mixed it up

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a little you can do that

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you need to change the lyrics up you know

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Wasted Years Without Bruce

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anyway

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that's a good one TR

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I'm not that shocked to be honest. No, I'm not. Good. Because I could see that. I agree, George. I could see it. Yeah. All right. Let me get prepared here. So my number two is another big 80s pop rock alt band from Georgia. The Georgia Satellites? No. Damn, that cross. R-E-M. Yeah. Oh, R-E-M. Nice.

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I knew that was coming. So this was another one of those bands that I was like, ew, so not metal. You know, you people are like, ew, that you like this, like, REM stuff. You can't understand a word he's saying. And ironically, what got me into the band was during the, when the Green Album came out. I still, I didn't like them. I was like, oh, this is horrible.

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And there was a song on this album that I hated so much. And it was called Stand. I hated it. And I hated it so much I mocked it. And I mocked it so much that I loved it. I eventually was like, this is actually a really good song. Life imitating art imitating life. I would sing it in the car when it would come on the radio with friends and mock it. And then eventually it was like stuck in my head. Eventually I was like, all right, this is a good song.

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But it wasn't until after high school that I would allow myself to like this because I didn't like it in high school. So Out of Time was actually the album that I was like all in with the band when that came out, losing my religion, you know, shiny, happy people. I want the shiny people over here. I want the happy people over here. Yes. Thank you, Dennis Leary. But yeah, I mean, and Out of Time, everything on that album is just freaking awesome.

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So, yeah, it was an embarrassing, you know, period of time where I disliked things for the wrong reasons.

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You know, George, it's funny because, and I think when we did our best of album episode, I mentioned this because R.E.M. was one of those bands that I kind of felt the same way as you.

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I just did not like them.

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They were too alternative, too college-y, too, I don't know, when they came out. And over time, it just, you know, there was this nostalgia that took place. And now when I hear their music from that period, it's, aw. You know, see, I remember that. We were in college, and it was a fun time, and, you know, we were all young, and it was great. And, you know, even though I never, I didn't have any of their music,

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I didn't really care for them, but it just takes you back to that time. And so, yeah, it's so funny because I felt the same way. I never really liked them at first, but I've kind of, over the years, have just kind of, I don't know, I've warmed up to that. I still don't have any other stuff other than that eponymous, you know. Yeah, that's all I have actually too. And I don't even really listen to that. But I have it, and if I do want to listen to it, I can.

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And anytime their stuff comes on, it's, ah, yeah, you know, remember that? But that's, yeah, like I kind of definitely kind of came around on them a little more. Wow. Yeah. So I, go ahead. It's funny because, you know, I was so like heavy handed across the board, not metal, don't like it. Yeah. That I didn't, you know, to me, this was just popular music and yes, it was popular music, but you know, I probably would have gotten along with the people that

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I liked R.E.M. in high school if I had given it a chance because it was alternative. It was not like Debbie Gibson. But I was just so emphatic about not metal, not good that I didn't give it a chance. So let that be a lesson to you, kiddies. All the children that are listening to this. All the children. Don't. I'm sure there are so many people in that demographic.

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that are listening to these old dudes talk about their music.

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Yeah.

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I remember, God, the first song I liked from them I saw again on MTV, South Central Rain.

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I always liked that song from the very first time I heard it, but I never really got into them.

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But then I heard Finest Work song.

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I was like, this is a badass song because it's a little heavy for them.

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And I was a fan of Green.

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I liked Orange Crush.

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I thought it was cool.

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Oh, yeah.

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That was a good song.

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I forgot about that.

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And that's the album that everyone's, I don't know, because it was the in-between album for labels, I believe. Yeah. Oh, go ahead, John. I was going to say, and I only have the one album you mentioned, TR, that at that time, Greatest Hits. And it's actually loaded, that album. It is. The only thing about it is there's a lot of different takes. Yeah, the alternative takes of certain songs. And yeah, that's kind of a bummer because I would have preferred the original, whatever the main track was. Yeah.

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It's a very good compilation. I mean, it's surprising that it's only what, how many songs? 12 songs. And they're all great. I could put this on right now and I know exactly what's coming every time. Right. So you're looking at it right now? Is Pop Song 89 on there? It's on green, but it's not on the compilation now. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So Pop Song 89, I was in London the summer of 89. And, you know,

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I don't know if you've ever seen the actual video for that song. But it was banned in the US. But they showed it in England. And it's basically a bunch of topless girls running around. So it got my attention. Sounds like a Duran Duran video. Yeah, exactly. Like when I saw the chauffeur, I was like, wait a minute. These guys might be onto something. Who's this banned in a song called Girls on Film? Yeah, this is pretty cool. These guys are over.

01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:42.220
Okay. These guys rock. So, and you know, I mean, I like all the dudes in the band, Peter Buck, great guitar player and mandolin player. And you know, I was like the bass player's vocals. He was like the Michael Anthony of indie college rock. Yes. So Mike Mills is, I'm actually a huge Mike Mills fan. And you know, he sings on a song every once in a while. And I love the stuff that he does. And I'm like, we need a Mike Mills.

01:23:42.620 --> 01:24:10.820
If you're not going to do any more REM albums, you need a Mike Mills solo album. And I am petitioning for this because I love Mike Mills voice. I do too. And so please, Mike, get off your butt and make a solo album. And this leads me down a different path of I only recently discovered this like within the past year that the guys in REM also did a side project back in the day with Warren Zevon.

01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:16.280
Oh yeah. I thought I had heard the name Hindu love gods and I was like,

01:24:16.280 --> 01:24:17.500
I never listened to it,

01:24:17.580 --> 01:24:20.080
but that was something that they did with Warren Zeevon home.

01:24:20.140 --> 01:24:24.140
I huge Warren Zeevon fan. Yeah. And yeah.

01:24:24.460 --> 01:24:26.800
So they, interesting, they did some shows.

01:24:27.180 --> 01:24:28.020
I don't know if they did some,

01:24:28.160 --> 01:24:30.840
I know they did the album with him and I thought they did some shows,

01:24:30.980 --> 01:24:34.180
but they did some shows with somebody else singing too. So, um,

01:24:34.480 --> 01:24:37.140
but that just blew my mind. R.E.M. and Warren Zeevon.

01:24:37.500 --> 01:24:39.780
How did that even happen? You don't, I don't know.

01:24:40.660 --> 01:25:10.480
You need to get on Mike Mills to do something. I always dug his playing and I always liked his singing. Yes. All right. Back to you. All right. This is another one that I tried to like at first and I think I did. And then it just went south and sideways really fast. And so I had this band in mind for two albums. One from the 70s.

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One from the 80s. And I chose to go with the one from the 80s because I could find two, maybe three songs of redeeming quality on the 70s album. That's not saying much because that album stinks from the 70s. It stinks. Well, this album stinks too. And I'm like forcing myself to find three songs I like on this album. But I liked it at first because it was following up another album.

01:25:41.280 --> 01:26:10.620
that I liked a lot that I actually saw three times on that on the tour for that album so you don't like it anymore this album yeah no well then it doesn't work with the yeah I like it like now he liked it when it came out and it came out he had to change your heart and it changed your heart I liked it fine I didn't realize we were going that way what the hell was rush hold your fire I didn't realize that either yeah go for it I think tiara will know what I'm talking about oh boy

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Yes, Big Generator. My first two Yes albums that I bought, I saw Yes songs on PBS one night, and I was like, who is this dude in the cape? And I got hooked. I was like, this is kind of wild. But I didn't know who it was. And surprisingly, I still remember where I was sitting when I watched it. My mom and my aunt were watching too, and I didn't know they were Yes fans. To this day, I still don't know if they were Yes fans, but it was on PBS.

01:26:40.220 --> 01:26:40.980
Yes songs.

01:26:42.180 --> 01:26:43.820
And so I was like, this is kind of wild.

01:26:44.320 --> 01:26:48.720
And I knew the intro to Roundabout, but I had no idea what the song was called.

01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:52.940
I had no idea who it was and what album was on, but I kind of figured that it might be Yes.

01:26:53.720 --> 01:26:56.820
So 90125 came out and right away, a young kid.

01:26:57.680 --> 01:26:58.960
I just, this is wild.

01:26:59.380 --> 01:27:02.660
Not knowing their history and not knowing how much of a departure this was.

01:27:03.280 --> 01:27:09.880
So I went to the record store at the ball and my first two Yes albums I bought, it couldn't be any more opposite.

01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:39.580
I bought Fragile and 90125 on the same day. I knew 90125, but I was like, I'm just going to grab this Fragile. Maybe that has the song. And I put it on and it was roundabout. I was like, it was like, oh, you know, so that was my first Yes exposure. Then a friend of mine gave me the Yes Songs live album. And I'm just like, you know, Carl Sagan, my head blowing up. I was like, what is this? Let's get back to this dumpster fire called Big General.

01:27:39.920 --> 01:28:07.800
Wow. I mean, so yeah, I want to hear this because I mean, I that's pretty harsh, dude. I there are some good songs on this album. Yeah, the songs that are good are decent. The rest is not I just I liked it at first because like I said, yes, I was new to the band and it is 87 at this point. So I was a fan for a while and I was like, OK, yeah, this is just a new period.

01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:37.260
And so I will say Rhythm of Love's a good song. It is. Yeah. I'm Running is decent. Yeah. It's got a nice little bass thing. It's a little kind of corny a little bit, but it's not a bad song. Right. I mean, the highlight of the album for me is Shoot High. Shoot High. Yeah, exactly. That song's awesome. Absolutely. Yep. Great. The rest is just not good. Like Love Will Find Away. I hated that song the first time I did it. Oh, really? And I still don't like it. See, I don't mind that song. I think it's all right.

01:28:37.900 --> 01:29:07.860
on the campfire at the beach at the freaking coconut grove you know afterwards at night you know why did you just have Michael McDonald playing new keyboards for you he's certainly better than Tony K but I mean yeah anybody is god just it just just you know what it was I like big generator first and then the 80s phony synth horn sound yeah started to really grate at me a lot and

01:29:07.860 --> 01:29:34.680
It ruined a lot of music for me at that period because that was a big thing for all genres. Oh, yeah. They were using that fake synth horn. Or synth winds. We'll call them that. I hated it. I know people don't like talk, and I think talk's awesome. Then union is like half sewage, and then songs that are acceptable. Yeah, barely.

01:29:37.880 --> 01:29:38.060
John,

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we can do a whole episode on yes.

01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:42.420
So shitty.

01:29:42.580 --> 01:29:42.780
Yes.

01:29:42.780 --> 01:29:43.560
Yes.

01:29:44.060 --> 01:29:44.460
Yes.

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So I'm not going to say more about this because this album blows.

01:29:48.320 --> 01:29:48.700
Although I,

01:29:48.900 --> 01:29:49.220
like I said,

01:29:49.340 --> 01:29:51.120
rhythm of love is good and shoot high,

01:29:51.260 --> 01:29:51.960
aim low is great.

01:29:52.240 --> 01:29:52.580
Oh yeah.

01:29:53.200 --> 01:29:53.280
The,

01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:59.680
the sound quality in the CD is just absolutely terrible compared to nine.

01:29:59.680 --> 01:29:59.720
Oh,

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one,

01:29:59.860 --> 01:29:59.980
two,

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five and talk,

01:30:01.300 --> 01:30:03.280
which are like years better studio wise.

01:30:03.980 --> 01:30:05.920
Can you guess the seventies album from yes,

01:30:06.100 --> 01:30:08.300
that I was going to absolutely just eviscerate.

01:30:09.360 --> 01:30:10.920
That would probably be Tormato.

01:30:11.180 --> 01:30:11.520
Yes.

01:30:13.460 --> 01:30:13.860
Terrible.

01:30:14.480 --> 01:30:17.420
Although I will admit on the wings of freedom is awesome.

01:30:17.920 --> 01:30:18.180
Yes.

01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:20.120
But that was also written.

01:30:20.400 --> 01:30:21.480
Is Onward on that album?

01:30:21.860 --> 01:30:22.820
Onward on the album too.

01:30:22.900 --> 01:30:23.060
Yeah.

01:30:23.240 --> 01:30:23.980
That's another good song.

01:30:24.140 --> 01:30:26.380
But on the silent wings of freedom was also,

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I think,

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wasn't that written during going for the one or something or during the

01:30:30.300 --> 01:30:30.860
sessions in between.

01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:32.780
It didn't really come from that time.

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And Ridley's release is okay.

01:30:35.200 --> 01:30:35.720
It's not bad.

01:30:35.920 --> 01:31:05.520
It's got a cool little... The fake crowd in the middle of that is just......stupid. But the guitar riff was really cool in the middle of the song. I always thought that was kind of a neat, heavy thing. Anyway. You guys still talking? Sorry, we got off on our little prog tangent here. I hardly talked about the album. Anyway. For the record, the only song by Yes I Like is Owner of a Lonely Heart. That's just an epic fail right there. That's an epic fail. Epic, epic fail. Epic win. You mean epic win. Oh, yeah.

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I'll just put the gates of delirium on and just slay you. And if you're going to say a song called Rhythm of Love, it better be Scorpions. I'm with you, George. All right. No. Okay. Should I go next? You should. Yeah, I don't want to talk about this trash heap. So you're ready. So here's another one that you guys are going to be like, what? What? I think John knows this a little, though, because I've talked to him a little bit about this.

01:31:38.400 --> 01:31:39.000
Yeah.

01:31:40.260 --> 01:31:42.160
It's Fates Warning X or 10.

01:31:43.420 --> 01:31:46.100
So I had really liked Fates Warning's Disconnected album.

01:31:46.820 --> 01:31:49.480
And I was eerily looking forward to their next album.

01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:56.260
And when X or 10, whatever you want to call it, came out, I got it right away.

01:31:57.540 --> 01:31:59.320
And it didn't really grab me.

01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:02.800
Many of the songs were kind of slower paced.

01:32:02.850 --> 01:32:05.140
And I remember feeling kind of underwhelmed.

01:32:05.860 --> 01:32:35.060
And I recall thinking at the time that Ray Alder sounded kind of tired on the album. But recent listens to this album don't bear that out. In fact, it's a really good album. And I don't even understand now why I didn't like it right away. It's so underrated. It is underrated. And I think once I heard some of these songs live, and here's the thing. This album came out in 2004. They didn't really tour on this album. I mean,

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And they did, there were some shows in 2005, like festival shows, and then they did like a couple of European tours. But, you know, it was almost nine years before their next album came out, which was Darkness in a Different Light. And so there was all this time that passed where none of these songs really got played all that much. And I know, John, you probably saw them at Prague Power in 2009. And so, you know, yes, you know, they were playing, but not a lot.

01:33:04.380 --> 01:33:08.520
and there weren't a lot of tours that were the parallels they did the parallels reunion

01:33:08.620 --> 01:33:13.580
tour which you also saw saw that also but i don't know how much of this they played on that tour

01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:19.400
nothing because it was all focused during that parallels time right yeah exactly so oh no they did they

01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:27.140
actually played another perfect day and you know okay all right so so the bottom line is that you know i didn't

01:33:27.380 --> 01:33:34.360
really i didn't really appreciate this album and you know kind of common to some of the themes

01:33:34.360 --> 01:34:04.340
of what I've talked about in the other albums here. Once I heard these songs live, the stock started rising on this album. And while this album will ever be my favorite album from them, I like it a lot more than I did at first. I was definitely very harsh on this album when it first came out, and I really don't get why. I have no idea what my problem with this album was, because when I listen to it now, I feel like this is a

01:34:04.380 --> 01:34:34.340
This is a great Fates Warning album. It's a very good Fates Warning album. I don't really understand it, but for whatever reason, I just was like, eh. I just did not like it for some reason. Now, I appreciate it a lot more. I'm so glad you came around because I've always felt it was underrated. Part of the problem was it came out after OSI's first album. A lot of really good riffs are on that album that

01:34:35.199 --> 01:35:03.280
I think it's a really good album. I have to say though, I take issue with one slight thing you said. You said it was nine years before Fate's Warning released an album. And I somewhat disagreed that it was actually seven years. Because Fate's Warning did release an album, they just had to call Archmotheos Sympathetic Resonance because that was supposed to be the next Fate's Warning album and it wasn't working out with Ray.

01:35:03.340 --> 01:35:31.800
So they basically did Arch Matheus with John Arch, the original singer. Yes. Which was a totally different direction. It was, but it's still for John Arch. It was. Yeah. It still had that classic post. I would say. Plus the shade of gray sound. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I always say that. I say that jokingly because I know some fans are like, nah, that is a thing. You know what it is? That's their heaven and hell album.

01:35:33.340 --> 01:36:02.040
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's, but they didn't want to cause a rift, you know, at Ray. Yeah. Who needed a break at that point. He really did. And it worked out because he was awesome going forward. So yeah. So no rabbit hole, George. We'll stop. What? Oh, sorry. Is it my turn now? I think it is. All right. Hey, we're under two hours right now. We're doing all right. Yeah, sure.

01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:33.280
Yes, again, if you like. I'm just teasing. Just teasing. Gosh. We started 10 minutes late. Jeez. What's your pick, George? I thought TR went next. I did. He did. You're not even listening to us. Oh, you did. He totally tuned us all out. Sorry. It was just somebody talking. Hey, TR, funny we talked about Arch with Deus. George needed a break, and so you and I went and did a solo project for five minutes. Sorry. He's like, wait a minute. Was somebody talking?

01:36:33.340 --> 01:37:03.320
I forgot about that I was still on yes so all right all right we've scarred him for life scarred for life scarred for life from that album I'm not even gonna edit that out because that's no you shouldn't just to prove how little you listen to all right hold on here wait for it meanwhile back at the podcast Batman says to Robin I did go on Facebook and start checking stuff out so that's just I got nothing to say about this wow we listen to your albums and talk yeah hold on would you

01:37:03.360 --> 01:37:33.280
You buy it, post a recipe or something? Nah, I was looking at little movie clips like you would see on Instagram or TikTok, but I don't use those apps. That's awesome. I'm glad we talked about those albums. I'm glad you appreciate what we have to say that much. Yeah, thanks. If you don't listen, what do we expect from our actual listeners? I listened for a while and then I was like, okay, whatever. TR, if you want to take off during this next album, I'll go with you. Okay, good, because my beer's a little empty. Yeah, I think I'm done.

01:37:33.340 --> 01:38:03.320
now. Yeah. Let's let George just do his thing for a while. Guys, I'm already home. Yeah. All right. I guess we'll just end there. No, go ahead. Give us your pick, George. We're sitting here with bated breath waiting. I'm sure you are. All right. So my last one is yet another catastrophic 80s mistake. And that is U2. Oh, this I this was a band, you know, of the bands in the 80s that I was against because of

01:38:04.140 --> 01:38:07.580
They were really up there. You know,

01:38:08.260 --> 01:38:12.820
I knew certain people that were big fans of the Joshua tree when that came out.

01:38:12.820 --> 01:38:13.780
And I was just like,

01:38:14.680 --> 01:38:18.520
and I didn't base my opinion on actually listening to the music.

01:38:18.900 --> 01:38:22.040
I based my opinion on the people that listened to the music.

01:38:23.040 --> 01:38:24.000
And so I was like,

01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:25.340
you two sucks.

01:38:25.940 --> 01:38:26.620
They're terrible,

01:38:26.820 --> 01:38:27.060
man,

01:38:27.180 --> 01:38:27.860
but the poses.

01:38:28.260 --> 01:38:28.780
Yeah.

01:38:29.240 --> 01:38:30.040
And I hated it.

01:38:30.820 --> 01:38:36.220
But then, after high school, in 1991, they released an album called Ach Tung Baby.

01:38:37.060 --> 01:38:38.860
Holy smokes, are you late to the party?

01:38:39.140 --> 01:38:39.540
Oh, yeah.

01:38:40.400 --> 01:38:43.380
And I was like, hey, let me check this out.

01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:45.040
I'm still just ways.

01:38:45.280 --> 01:38:47.460
All right, watch that video and drink some beers.

01:38:47.590 --> 01:38:50.140
And, you know, it was, and I was like, all right.

01:38:50.340 --> 01:38:57.100
And I actually saw them on the Ach Tung Baby tour, which is pretty early for most people, a lot of people.

01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:27.060
And I, of course, at that point, completely turned around and went back and listened to Joshua Tree and Rattle and Hum and, you know, Boy, October War, Unforgettable Fire, all of that stuff, and have been a massive U2 fan ever since. And I saw them, like I said, on the Octone Baby Tour, I saw them do the, I think it was the 30th anniversary of Joshua Tree as well, where they played the whole thing, and that was awesome. So, yes, I can recant my idiocy.

01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:57.220
I'm surprised you got in that late. Yeah, I know. I was there really early. That was one of the few alternative bands I was into early. Again, Stupid MTV ruined everything. Yeah, I mean, I remember Gloria when that came out. And was it New Year's Day? I remember when... Which was after that. Yeah, it was after that. But, you know, that was huge on MTV. Sunday. Yeah, exactly. This is not a war song.

01:39:57.300 --> 01:40:26.720
Yeah. Yeah. And then Under Blood Red Skies, what solidified it for me, that bad sounding live show from Red Rocks. Yeah. I saw them on the Unforgettable Fire Tour before they broke big. They played an 8,000 seat arena, or maybe it was 6,000. I can't even remember now. They played the Civic Center, San Francisco. Maybe it's not that big. I thought it was like eight. I could be wrong. And it sold out like in seconds.

01:40:26.980 --> 01:40:56.960
and I got tickets and I went believe it or not and my fuchsia cut off 90125 yes t-shirt from the concert I was the only dude in the yes t-shirt up front and the water boys opened and they got booed off stage I got really pissed just wait YouTube's coming out you have to be jerks about it and everyone's like boo you suck that was Queensryche when I saw them on Operation Mindcrime because they opened for Metallica on the justice right and they got brutalized

01:40:56.980 --> 01:41:26.680
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That is really late. I saw that tour and my buddy Colin, who I'm sure is maybe going to listen to this, he remembers because we went to that show together and we so wanted to see Queensryche and we barely made it because there was this big traffic jam to get to the show. And we ended up missing like a bunch of the songs and we, you know, at least got to hear some of their set. And we were so bummed because we were, we, you know,

01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:56.820
While we were Metallica fans, we were even more Queensryche fans. I was going to say, you better have stayed for Metallica. Oh yeah, of course. But it was just such a bummer because we were really hoping to hear their set a lot more of their set than we did. Yeah, that was a good show. Yeah. Okay. Cool. So, as I understand it, TR has no honorable mentions. No, I couldn't get that far.

01:41:56.980 --> 01:42:26.920
Because actually, you know, when I was thinking about this, you know, when we, you know, I approached it from the standpoint of like albums I got, didn't like and came around to. That was my approach too. And frankly, like most albums, I, you know, I pretty much, I was pretty sure I was going to like them whenever I got them. You know what I mean? So, so there aren't a lot of albums that I got.

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where I didn't like it at first and then kind of came around on it. So I didn't, this was kind of hard for me because I really didn't have a whole lot of that. So yeah, so I didn't really have a whole lot in terms of, you know, this was as much as I could scrape together. I've got eight, so I can go through those. John, you have a few, I think. I have four more. However, I don't want to mention three of them because

01:42:57.000 --> 01:43:02.420
we may revive this subject matter in a slightly different format.

01:43:03.160 --> 01:43:06.200
Then do your one and I'll finish my rest.

01:43:06.440 --> 01:43:09.000
I will just say that originally we decided to do this.

01:43:09.200 --> 01:43:12.120
I was intending on doing the same thing to albums.

01:43:12.220 --> 01:43:14.200
I didn't get it first that I eventually got.

01:43:14.300 --> 01:43:19.440
But TR had mentioned early on about what about if you liked it at first and I don't like it anymore?

01:43:19.620 --> 01:43:22.220
And that kind of ruined this because apparently I'm the only one who did it.

01:43:22.660 --> 01:43:22.940
Sorry.

01:43:23.400 --> 01:43:23.480
Sorry.

01:43:23.500 --> 01:43:24.120
I don't remember that.

01:43:24.880 --> 01:43:25.020
Yeah.

01:43:25.080 --> 01:43:54.740
Yeah, I remember I put that on the text. Yeah, the text thread. And it was, do you mean this too? Yeah. And I ended up not even doing that. And it's funny because I ended up finding three of my six, because I'm not counting the other three, were albums I liked at first and then I don't like anymore. And I'll give one quick one. This one's frustrating as hell because I like half this album, but the other half that I don't like sucks. And that's Genesis Genesis. Oh, wow.

01:43:55.240 --> 01:44:25.060
Half That Album Is Good. Those three singles suck. Bad. What singles are those? Let me guess. Because I'm pretty sure Illegal Alien is probably part of that. Sucks. That's terrible. It's so politically incorrect. The funny thing is Tony Banks is on record as saying that was never crossed their mind and never their intent. It was actually more of a pro-immigrant song. It's just that song. Oh, yeah. But it's terrible. Go ahead. Quick. Because I want to hear George

01:44:25.100 --> 01:44:52.400
I just like you got two more guesses let's go come on how do you one song on that it's probably my least favorite song in their whole career oh who done it right is that on there or is that abacab that's that's on abacab yeah oh shoot it's been a long time since I listened to this mama no I like mama no no that's a great tune I know that's all give me god I fucking hate sorry I love that song

01:44:56.220 --> 01:45:22.380
I hate that song and then taking it all too hard. That was my next guess. Get out of here. Okay. So you like just a job to do even though it's. That's a kind of a badass song. It's almost metal. It's like it's dirt. I'm God and lying on you. It's basically no reply at all part two with that bass line. Yeah. And then the song that absolutely just drives me insane on that album. And oh it's on the next

01:45:22.420 --> 01:45:51.640
I don't want to forget this real quick. It's going to get better has such a cool intro and verse portion and then the chorus sucks. Yeah. Drives me nuts because I really like the verse you know on that. Anyway that's my other. I have three others I'm saving for a future date. All right. That's interesting. So it's funny because you know I love Genesis and I love pretty much everything they've done. And I'll agree like Illegal Alien is really it's cringeworthy.

01:45:52.420 --> 01:46:22.380
But there's enough on this album that kind of... I wouldn't have put it in that category, but that's interesting. Okay. Yeah. Every album after Duke, Duke is good. Oh, yeah. But every album after Duke for the next, what, three? Half I like, and the other half is garbage. Come on. Really? Seriously? Invisible Touch? Come on. Yeah. No. Half that album is... It's only because it's half album because one song's 10 minutes long. You know? Yeah, the best one. Domino...

01:46:22.400 --> 01:46:22.720
Yeah.

01:46:22.720 --> 01:46:23.760
Parts 1 and 2 into Brazilian.

01:46:24.370 --> 01:46:26.240
I know, George, you probably disagree with me on that.

01:46:27.360 --> 01:46:27.580
Oh, no.

01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:28.980
Tonight's Cool Tune.

01:46:29.100 --> 01:46:29.600
I like that, too.

01:46:29.610 --> 01:46:29.820
Yeah, Tonight's Cool Tune.

01:46:29.940 --> 01:46:30.040
Yeah.

01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:30.980
Come on.

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But really, all those other sappy love songs.

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Yeah.

01:46:34.700 --> 01:46:36.220
I mean, Land of Confusion was kind of good.

01:46:36.640 --> 01:46:37.300
It's not right.

01:46:37.700 --> 01:46:37.940
You know.

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I don't like Disturb, but I have to admit their version's not bad.

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Yeah.

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It is good.

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Yeah, actually, it's a pretty good version.

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I pretty much like it when Phil opens his mouth.

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But I feel the same way about Peter, so, you know.

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What, you don't like him? No, I like them both. Oh, okay. Yeah. I like Phil singing. I do. Okay. I think. Okay. All right. So I have. You may live. You may live. So I have one overlap album then. And it was one of John's and that was Duran Duran. Ooh. They were also one of my 80s nemesis. I was, you know, oh my gosh, look at those pretty boys prancing around on the beach and being all not.

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I was like, ski guys, going home. And then eventually I was like, Duran Duran's kind of cool. In fact, Duran Duran's really cool. And I've even seen them in concert a few years back. And one of these days I'm going to do my Rio cover and it's going to be called Dio. His name is Dio and he sings upon the stage. It's going to happen.

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I just have to write the rest of the words yeah just keep working on that I'm all in George okay all right

01:47:57.140 --> 01:48:20.840
what's the other seven the Beastie Boys oh when their License to Ill album came out okay I mean rap wasn't really that big a thing at that point at least in you know small town Michigan no I mean it was but I mean it was a phenomenon in small town Michigan yet okay I mean there was there was some stuff I mean even I liked some stuff you know

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with their Jay Monit. But the Beastie Boys came out and I was just like, what is this crap? Even though Carrie King was on there. And now I'm a huge Beastie Boys fan. I thought the single was the dumbest song ever. And then I listened to the rest of the album. I was like, this is kind of cool. No. And you know, I've read their book and I'm really impressed with the stuff that they did to further music in general. Like,

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It's not just rap. I mean, they started out as a punk band and then they transitioned to a rap, hip hop band, whatever. And, but they did all this stuff like looping things with like tape decks and stuff to, to make like interesting sounds that were very innovative for the time. And everything they did was just really interesting like that. And so I have a much bigger respect for them now,

01:49:20.480 --> 01:49:50.440
both as artists and for their music. Yeah, I'll admit that, you know, when that came out, it was like, you know, dumb college rap. Yeah. And it was hard to take it seriously. But there was there was like some depth to it, right? They felt the same way. I mean, they don't like fight for your right to party any more than anybody else does. Although I do like that song, but I do too. Yeah, my band played that many times. Yeah, but they don't like that song because it was something that they were

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I may have drank brass monkey and sang the song at the same time.

01:50:00.020 --> 01:50:01.200
That funky monkey.

01:50:02.360 --> 01:50:03.040
She's crafty.

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She's crafty.

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Yeah.

01:50:05.590 --> 01:50:11.700
So yeah, they're, they were and are, I mean, they're not around anymore, but yeah.

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Love those guys.

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Next up, John stand back.

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Tears for fears.

01:50:19.180 --> 01:50:19.460
Oh.

01:50:20.580 --> 01:50:22.700
I thought about that but I brought them up already

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I mean you know songs from the big chair came out

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and I was like oh god everybody wants

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to rule my ass

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these guys look so depressed in all their videos

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so not metal

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that album is so damn good

01:50:37.240 --> 01:50:38.440
and it really is

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I've seen them twice now

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but at the time

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in the 80s not metal

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it's so funny

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and that was only for two albums

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They got real kind of artsy and proggy after that. Yeah. You know, while still maintaining, you know, the pop sound. So here's another metal album for your metal band for you rather. Ahab. So their first couple albums, I was like, this sounds like crap. This is garbage. I hate these guys. Boo, boo. And that was my princess bride boo. Like, boo, you had true love and you let it go away. Boo.

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And then the giant came out. And that just blew my mind. And so I did a hard 180 on Ahab. You went deeper into the ocean. I did. The Cure. Another one of those, oh my gosh, look at those poofs. You know, like those British pears. What's wrong with this hair? Why are they wearing so much makeup?

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And then, you know, early, probably 90, like probably either late high school or just after high school, I was like hanging out with a friend. I'm like, Hey man, give me some bands that are not metal that I should listen to. And he was, you know, like an alternative chicken head kind of guy. And he gave me nine inch nails, the first album, which blew my mind. And he said, listen to the cures, Daring at the sea, the compilation.

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And I just lost my mind over that album. And I love the early cure. You know, the first few albums and pornography. Pornography is one of the greatest albums of all time. And they just released a new album songs for the lost world or whatever it's called. And it doesn't suck. I've only listened to it once and I'm kind of on the fence with it, but it's definitely better than some of the latter era stuff that they did. It's not quite so Friday. I'm in love, which I do like, but you know, I,

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I prefer the earlier stuff to the more popular later stuff. And this was in the middle. So I need to listen to that a little more. So I just want to make a quick comment because The Cure is a band. And I think, you know, we've had this conversation because, you know, we did talk about pornography. I think when, you know, that was one of our early episodes. And, you know, hopefully I'm not retreading a whole lot, but I will say that I hated this band. Yeah. Like I really hated them because I couldn't stand the guy's vocals.

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And I just did not like, and especially the early stuff. But so my buddy, David Reynolds, who's a longtime listener of our podcast, was like, dude, you have to listen to Disintegration. And I was like, okay. And I did. And it was like, yeah, this really isn't that bad. This is actually pretty cool. And I mean, I still don't really, I'm not a big fan of the guy.

01:53:45.860 --> 01:54:15.440
vocals, but at least, you know, can appreciate what they were doing. And the guitar work is actually really good. And on top of that, the lead singer's name. Robert Smith. Yeah, Robert Smith. So they, I remember seeing on MTV, like they did this interview with him and he, you could tell he was just like kind of making fun of himself because he was just like, you know, they went, I don't know if it was like MTV Cribs or something where they like had an interview with him and he's just, you know, he's talking about his place.

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And he's like, I like to keep it very dark in here so that I can be completely depressed. You know, it's just, you know, like you could tell that he was like hamming it up of, you know, the caricature of himself that, you know, he figured everybody believed, you know, and it actually was really funny. And I thought, okay, this guy doesn't really take himself seriously. He's taking the piss out of himself. Exactly. And I thought, okay, this guy's all right. I don't like his vocals that much, but at least he, you know, has a sense of humor about himself.

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And so I lightened up on them a little bit. Yeah, this is another band that I probably would have liked the people that liked The Cure in high school had I given it a chance. But, you know, the Goths. I mean, I'm a huge Goth fan now, so. Yeah. Robert Smith gets my vote because he saved South Park from Mecca Streisand. Exactly. Indeed. Indeed. All right, I got a couple more. Another metal one, Obituary. You know, I had trouble getting into

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I picked up one of their albums. I think it was World Demise or something like that. And I was just like, nope, don't like those vocals at all. And for years I railed against obituary. Even after the starting of this podcast, I was like, no, I don't like obituary. And that was entirely based on that first listen in the 90s. And then at some point I went back and listened. I was like, I gotta listen. Because Will's a huge obituary fan. And so I was like, I'm gonna listen to this obituary again.

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And I was like, oh my God. And it actually turns out that John Tardy is one of my favorite death metal vocalists. He's got such a distinct type of harsh vocal that I'm like, this is awesome. So that was a big boo-boo. I'll say this, you know, Derek Smalls, the bass player from Spinal Tap, released a solo album that has a song,

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entitled,

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she puts the bitch in obituary.

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Right then.

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Two more.

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They might be giants.

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Ooh.

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Okay.

01:56:25.910 --> 01:56:26.820
I never got into them.

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I love these guys.

01:56:29.150 --> 01:56:29.420
I mean,

01:56:29.470 --> 01:56:30.460
aside from the kind of funny,

01:56:31.160 --> 01:56:35.060
but this was just another one of those bands that I heard about in high school.

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And I was like,

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Oh,

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that's a stupid name.

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And their music's probably stupid too.

01:56:39.750 --> 01:56:41.360
So I hate they might be giants.

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Never really giving it a listen until many years later. Somewhere in the 2000s probably. And then I was like, ah, let me check this out. And I freaking love They Might Be Giants. They are so cool. So cool. And smart. They're smart too. And finally, we have to wait for the last one because this one's bought John. Who? I'm here. You're not on screen. We had some technical difficulties on my side. What's he doing?

01:57:12.700 --> 01:57:41.940
What is he doing? Now my bunch of my vinyl boxes tipped over. I don't know why. I was like, why is my water like on top of me here? And I look over and all my vinyl stuff fell. Okay. Nikes. So my last band is a recent conversion that this was a band that in the 80s and 90s, I saw their albums in the store and I was like, oh, that's some cool album artwork. And I'd listen to it and be like, that sucks.

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And recently, I finally gave it a listen, possibly because of this podcast. I think it was. Come on. Marillion's pretty darn good. Oh, you converted one of us, John. Yeah. Grand champion. Yeah. Yeah, no, I really dig these guys. And they were in the two of us. Did you think it would be him? I don't like the tone of that. That's quite accusatory, I think. Yeah, that's like.

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George the total prog loser. George is so lame. George doesn't like prog. George likes prog. Me like prog. Prog good. Some prog. Not yes. Say no to yes. But there are other prog that is good. And this is one of them. How far have you ventured? Only a couple albums. Okay. But I do need to go back.

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a little bit of fish solo and i like that so yeah i mean you know if it's quality stuff i'm sure i'm gonna like it if it's not good then i maybe i won't but if that's a yeah some stinkers in their collection yeah and i'm sure there's i'll hopefully realize that but and those stinkers are all during the h period oh my god cue up the angry marillion hobbits coming to find me and look out burn down my house i said that the what period h period the hogarth period that's

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The singer that came after Phish, who's been in the band for like 35 years now. Yeah, but you know, replacement singers. I mean, come on. There's some good stuff with them, but it wasn't the Phish era, that's for sure, from my perspective. Yeah, I haven't gotten to that part yet, but generally speaking, this was a band that I always wanted to like because their album covers were cool, and I just couldn't get into them until I really opened up and let it fly.

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Yeah, they might have a famous artist who did their early albums. Yeah. Who I really like. And whose art I have in my house. Is that why? I have some too. What's the name? Mark Wilkinson. Mm-hmm. Yes, I've heard that name. He's done a lot of covers for not only Marillion, but Priest and Maiden as well. Yeah. Excellent. I have an autographed small lithograph because they were expensive. I got it near fest of Assassin's

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from Merillion. It's awesome. It's so cool. But it's only a tiny little thing. It's not that big. That's what she said. Yeah. It's here somewhere in the room. I'm not going to look for it. Despite looking for it. Yeah. It should have been there, but it's not there anymore. So it disappeared. All right. So that is the end of this bit. We have a few more things to talk about. We have a few more bits. Yes. Let's roll these bits.

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So Tuesday,

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TR and I,

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and several other people,

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just a few thousand converged in Baltimore for the iron maiden tour.

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The future past,

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I think is what they call it.

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You got it.

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I have to look on my back and be like,

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I'm wearing my shirt from the show.

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Yes.

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Future past.

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I know the song is days of future past,

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which to me is an X-Men issue.

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And I don't know if that's where they got it from or not,

02:01:10.200 --> 02:01:11.360
or if it's something else,

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but,

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The Future Past is the tour. And I've seen Maiden a number of times, not as many of times as TR has. But what I love about Iron Maiden that is different from a lot of artists is that they don't just come out every couple of years, play the same set and throw in two or three songs from the new album. They've been doing these eras tours for quite a while now.

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And so you get a completely different take on the band every time you see them now. And we mentioned earlier about Somewhere in Time. And that was probably the most represented album on this show. Along with stuff from the Sanjitsu. But there were a couple of random songs thrown in there. The Prisoner. They played it the last time we saw them, I thought, didn't they? I think they did.

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But still, other than, you know, as we were hustling from the venue back to the parking garage to try and get out before the masses, I mentioned to TRs, you know, those backing vocals really kind of sucked. And that was Adrian and Steve on backing vocals. And I don't know if they were just too loud in the mix or what, but they sounded terrible on everything they did. Anytime they stepped to the mic, it was bad. It was, yeah, it was too gangy and it wasn't very harmonized.

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It's like it wasn't in key. It wasn't with the song. It was cringe. But I don't care. It was still awesome. It was still Maiden. And they, yeah. And everybody just, all three guitarists just killed it. Yeah, yeah. It was a great show as usual. Smaller than usual venue for them. Yeah, and that's just because it was Baltimore. Because, you know, I saw them in Philly with my buddies Matt, Alex, and Brian.

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And that was the Wells Fargo Center, which is like more of a like a hockey arena type place, which was a substantial amount larger than the CFG arena in Baltimore. Now, granted, it was a Friday night, but that was a sold out show. Yeah. And it was, you know, a much larger venue. So it felt like a lot more.

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Now, granted, like Baltimore on a Tuesday night, I can understand like how it may not have sold out. Yeah. I mean, it still looked like a good crowd. Yeah. By the time they came on, it was pretty full. It was full. Yeah. The guy next to me was talking a lot, you know, I'm not a big, Hey buddy, how you doing? When I'm like in seats with people, I generally ignore them completely, but he was pretty social. And you know, he was probably a few years older than us because he,

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He just started talking and I was like, I'm going to be polite and talk back and that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. But he was telling me, oh yeah, it's been like 41 years since they played Baltimore or 40 years or 31. I don't know. It was a long time. It had been a long time. Yes. And it was funny because Bruce mentioned that when they came on, he's been a long time. And I was like, yeah, you're right. But he was talking about how he saw him on the Killers tour and you know, he pretty much saw them from Killers on. Yeah. And I was just like, pfft.

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You know, we were talking about when we saw them and I didn't see them until 1991 and he'd seen them like 10 years prior. So he was definitely a huge Maiden fan and he like knew a lot of stuff and you know, he had some interesting things to say and that was cool. And yeah, it was a great show. I mean, even the new songs, which I generally on the Metalheads podcast am the one that likes the new Maiden album more than everybody else. But to be fair,

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Like the songs that they were playing live from the new album, I was not super keen on from the album perspective. I was like, man, all right. You know, I want to hear Two Minutes to Midnight or something. But they did well with them. Yeah. And actually, you know, the one of the things that's wrong with the new album is it's too long and you lose interest. And so some of the songs like Death of the Celts and, you know, some of these other tracks that they, Hell on Earth. Yeah.

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I don't think I even got to those songs. You know what I mean? Like after like about five songs or six songs on that album and they're all like eight to ten minutes long. Yeah. You kind of get to a point where you're like, I can't, you know, I got other things to do. It's dense. It is. And that's it's a shame because, you know, a matter of life and death was kind of like that. You know, it was a long album. There were a lot of really good tracks on it, but it's kind of hard to swallow in its entirety.

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And I guess you could say the same for Book of Souls, because that was like another album where it was a double album. And it's really kind of hard to keep your attention for that long. So to hear some of these songs live, kind of isolated from the rest of the album and just played live, it kind of helped me to kind of see them in a different light. Because, you know, if you sit through the whole album to get to those songs, it, you know, you're almost,

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too tired to listen to them at that point so it's kind of a shame yeah so i appreciated the fact that they played them live because they weren't the big sogs on the album and they probably don't get the kind of the attention that they probably do deserve yeah writing on the wall was cool i mean they were all good live but but the real centerpiece of this set for me was alexander the great from somewhere in time i've always been it's one of my favorites

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songs. It's up there with Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner in terms of epic Iron Maiden songs. Never thought I would see them play this live. And it was great. It was. Yeah, I was very psyched when I found out that they were playing this on this tour. And I thought to myself, okay, yeah, I'm definitely, I got to see this because they're probably never going to play it again after this. Yeah. And then when they played Death of the Celts, which was fine, it was good.

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But the stage show, I looked over at TR and I was like, are they going to drop down a little Stonehenge? Because it was all like, there was a, it was like a green Celtic background with like a sword in the stone. And there was mist coming out of the speakers and Bruce comes prancing out from backstage, all like a leprechaun. And I was like one of those little guys on, on, on a spinal tap. And I was like, they need to drop a little Stonehenge and just laugh.

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themselves, you know, because, you know, and the music is all. Yeah. It was amusing, but it was good. Yeah. That sounds awesome. It was awesome. It was, it was good. I didn't go. It was tough for me to work that out when you guys got tickets because I had other things happening at the same time. But luckily you did get to go to see Opeth.

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There's a big shocker. Yeah. Which was an awesome show. I think he's contractually obligated to go to every Opeth show. I think so. Yeah. I'm not Angie, but I'm. No, I'm up there. You're up there. Mike knows you by name. He cries your name. He called him out in a show at the D.R. D.A.R. Constitution Hall at the very end of the show. I'll never forget it. Really? Yes. We were all standing there. And of course, John, you know,

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He can be seen. And Mike looked out over the audience and he's like,

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Hey, John. I called him out. And I was like,

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Shut the front door.

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He pointed over to where John was. So it's not just any John. It's that John.

02:09:20.740 --> 02:09:22.420
Wow. You haven't told me that.

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That's pretty cool.

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That is pretty cool.

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I might have spent a little time.

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Yeah, maybe a little.

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With Mike.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah.

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It was a great show. The new song sounded really good.

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And John, take it away. I don't want to take you. Well, you were there too. I know, but you know, I'll always consider you a bigger fan of this band than anybody. Oh yeah, I'm the biggest fan of this band. Come on. Hold on. I got a whole pocket full of bands I'm the biggest fan of. Yeah, it was fun. We went actually with Will from the Metalheads Podcast. That surprised me. How did that happen? I told Will, I said, I wasn't sure if you'd want to go. And I had an extra ticket.

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And I asked you, George, and your brother was in town, I believe, right? Yes, yes. So I said, well, and it's not that I didn't want to ask Will. I was just like, I didn't know if he wanted to go. Because after he saw them with us that one time in 2016, he was like, eh, it was all right. So I didn't think he'd want to go. But he said, yeah, I'll go. And we had really good seats. We were in the seventh row, middle section. Where was it at? It was the Warner Theater in Washington, D.C. Where we saw Deep Purple. Yeah.

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And we saw Beat. And George, the funny thing is the seats you and I have for Deep Purple, I think were roughly the same row, just a section over, because seventh row, because we're close. And for Beat, we were in the fourth row. Yeah. We were like right up, right in front of Eleven, man. That was awesome. Which, real quick, Beat is the, there's a band formed with two members of King Crimson that were part of the 80s, part of the band, and Danny Carey from Tool and Steve

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the guitarist. But back to Opeth. Yeah. It was an awesome show. I mean, I'm on record. That's the best they've been since mid-late 2000s. I assume they played some new songs. They did. Two songs. Two songs for the new album. Which we would have gotten more had the album been released, I bet. Yeah. But the album got delayed. So they gave us two songs. But they were on fire. Yeah. And for

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For anybody that had any doubts about him being able to growl, you know, the new songs, he's growling and it sounds good. And he sounded good throughout the show. I mean, he's growled through the shows anyway, but he, you know, but it's the old stuff, but you know, for him to actually record new music like this, I don't think, I think people had given up on that. And I guess he wanted to prove that he could still do it, I guess. I don't know.

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What I read, he was just like, it felt right, and so he did it, and he's really annoyed. And he's really annoyed now that everybody's focusing on it. Yeah, he actually is. I was like, oh yeah, there is some music too. Yeah, no, this has the potential to be my November album of the month. We'll see. Angry Metal Guy reviewed it. What'd they say? Already. Of course they did. But they usually don't review stuff like that until the day of, or the day before, or the day after. They gave it a 4.5.

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4.5. Out of 5. Wow. Out of 5. Nice. They don't give out 4.5. So I'm like, wait, what's to catch? So, no. And Decibel listed it. It wasn't in a superposition, but it was on there. 18, yeah. They gave it an 8 in the review out of 10. So it was a really good show. They were on fire. Mike was in good form. The band sounded great. Yeah. I mean, the set list was really good. There was one moment that was,

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really funny.

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Because Will wants to hear all the harsh vocals.

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And so he was standing for all the harsh vocals.

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And he decided to take a break and sit down when they decided to get mellow.

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They played In My Time of Need off of Damnation.

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Which I loved.

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Yeah.

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Which is cool.

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I've seen it.

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I mean, they could play something else from Damnation, but it's cool.

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Yeah.

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It is what it is.

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And then they went into Face of Melinda off of the album Still Life. And he was still sitting. And I knew it wasn't going to happen. Because the song is very kind of jazzy proggy for half of it. And then it gets really heavy for the second half. And I was waiting for it. And I said, I bet you he jumps right up. The first minute, the first chord they hit, he popped right up. It was so funny. He's like, yeah, yeah. Nice.

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And now they were, man, I wish I could have seen a few more shows on tour. I don't be my history. My history is I usually I used to do about five or six shows every tour, you know, or at least minimum three. But it's it hasn't happened as much the last few years. So did they play Black Rose Immortal? Keep dreaming, kid. Nope. What a shocker. No, they did play it once. We I mean, we've seen them. We saw them play that. They just toured it in Europe.

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But they played it at a show that we saw. Oh, they played 10 seconds. Yeah. No, they've been playing it in its entirety all throughout Europe. And they did it in Mexico City. Nice. I may have mentioned that after the show. He said, really? He couldn't play it north of the border? He couldn't play here, please. I may have come up in conversation. So, yeah, they did not.

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of ground on the show or the discography right on yeah so it's great cool and i'd like to mention another couple of shows that i got to see and that is a band called king buffalo yeah kind of a stoner psych you know band um from rochester new york and uh i saw the first two dates of their current tour

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One show in DC at the Atlantis and then the second show at a place in Mechanicsburg called Love Drafts, which was a brewery kind of show place. And the awesome thing about this band, first of all, they're such a good band. It's a three-piece, but they put out an incredible amount of sound. And each of the guys in this band is super talented. And one of the cool things of this band is

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is that every night it's kind of a different set list. They know every one of their albums and every one of their songs completely. And in fact, at the Mechanicsburg show, somebody called out a song called Grifter. And it wasn't on their set list, but they put it in. Sean McVay, who's the guitar vocalist guy, went to the other guys in the band when somebody yelled it out. And they actually played the song.

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And it was pretty cool because it was kind of an unexpected thing. They played a new song. They just released a new song called Balrog. And definitely, you know, fits right in with the rest of their discography. I'm looking forward to whenever they get around to recording a new album. But yeah, it's great to see King Buffalo. I recommend them. If people haven't listened to them, it's definitely a cool band and I enjoy them a lot. And live, they're terrific.

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So if you get the chance to see them, go see them. And if you can, see them on more than one night because you'll get lots of different songs that maybe you didn't hear on the first night that you see them. How did you like the Atlantis? That's the place next door to the 930, right? Yeah, so that was the first time I'd actually been to that venue, and it's a lot smaller than the 930 Club. I think it's the old 930 Club. Didn't they kind of base it off of that, which was originally the Atlantis way back?

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When? Maybe. I thought that 930 took it over. I thought that was the whole idea behind it. Yeah, I don't know. But what I can tell you is that it was a really good place to see that show. It was small. They have an upstairs kind of... The nice thing is you can go upstairs and you've got a great view of the stage. And, you know, there's enough room downstairs if you want to just be on the floor in front of the stage, you can do that. But then you can go upstairs and there's like a nice amount of...

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You know, it's high enough up that you're looking down on the band and, you know, there's enough of the stage that you can, you know, enough of the upstairs where there's plenty of room along the rail that you can watch the band. So we went upstairs. If you go to the King Buffalo's Facebook page, you can see me because every night the drummer takes a picture of the crowd. And so me and my buddy Dave Gallatin and our buddy Brett Kerbel, these are all my college buddies, got together and,

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And we're up on the second level there. So you can, if you look hard enough, you can see us. But yeah, it was a good show. And definitely recommend this band if people are looking for something new to listen to. Yeah. I want to, I actually want to go listen to them again now because it's been a while. We done with shows? We got Derek's list. Yep. Shows. Yeah, I was going to move on. Oh, shows. Oh yeah. Sorry about that. Yes. All right. So somewhere between last episode and this episode,

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Eric across the way in Ireland sent us some music based on our last episode that he thought oh because we're talking about Keene and Travis and such he's if you like that maybe you'd like some of these and so he sent us some bands and albums to check out and I think we all to some extent or another did check these out and I'm just going to read off these bands and albums real quick the Manic Street Preachers this is my truth tell me yours

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Reef and their album Replenish. The band Three Colors Red and their album Pure. Arctic Monkeys and their album AM. The band Elbow and their album Build a Rocket Boys. The band Feeder and their album Echo Park. The band Gomez and their album Bring It On. The band Ocean Colors Scene and their album Marchin' Already. Primal Scream and their album Screamadelica.

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Stereophonics and Performance and Cocktails, and the band The Frames and their album Fitzcarraldo.

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So, personally, I made a playlist of this and threw it on random to check it out.

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And my take was that, yeah, this is definitely like 90s-sounding Britpop stuff.

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While there were definite differences between the bands, it did fit in a niche in terms of all the albums having a similarity to of them. And I was pleased by everything I heard. I haven't listened to the whole albums from all of these bands yet, but I intend to dig further because I liked what I heard.

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So yeah, I kind of checked out a couple of songs from each of these albums myself. I have to admit that while I mentioned the band Travis, I really don't know much of Travis. And so they happened to be opening for Keen. Or no, they were the headliner when I saw Keen. So I was there mostly because my buddy Richard was into both of those bands. And so, you know, really my main, you know, thing was Keen.

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So I listened to this stuff and I have to be honest, this isn't kind of my milieu. And so a lot of these bands kind of weren't my thing. Although I did really like what I heard on the Elbow album. I thought that was kind of one of the more interesting bands of all the ones I listened to. I liked what I heard on that. And I also, the track that I heard from Ocean Color Scene kind of sounded a little beatily.

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And then I kind of thought the frames kind of had an interesting sound. So yeah, I mean, this isn't the kind of music I typically listen to or that I typically gravitate toward, but I appreciate that Derek listens to us and gave us some suggestions. And I appreciate that, you know, here's a guy like, you know, however many thousands miles away that it's actually listening to this podcast and saying,

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23,000 miles. It might be. No. So no, I don't think so. But that's pretty awesome. So we thank you for making suggestions and listening to this podcast. So Derek, thank you. Yeah. I was familiar with Manic Street Preachers and Arctic Monkeys, of course. And I'd heard of Elbow, but never really listened to them. So this was a good opportunity to check that out. And I intend to listen to more. John? Yeah, I know some of the names, but I,

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Like TR, this is not in my wheelhouse generally. But I did check out a song from each album just to make sure I heard them. And there were just a few that caught me. Elbow is another one, yeah. The first two songs off that album I thought were pretty good. I just didn't get a chance to listen to more. Yeah, The Frames was an interesting sound, the song that I heard. Say To Me Now I think it's a song I listened to, which I thought was kind of cool. But overall, probably just,

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not where my headspace was when that these albums were coming out and i just never really ventured although i've heard of probably a third of these maybe more i knew arctic monkeys i knew gomez i knew stereophonics i just hadn't listened to him that much so yeah i'd heard the name before but i didn't wasn't familiar yeah so it was cool i just like i said not my wheelhouse per se so but i appreciate that derek sent it and he and

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He and I have conversed a little bit via Instagram and it's really funny. Just a quick side note, we had a little Marillion talk on there. He had mentioned about me trying to get you guys, I believe it was Misplaced Childhood. And I said, I want to go with Clutching because I think that's a little more immediate just because Misplaced Childhood is basically a 40 minute song, but it's broken up into 10 parts. And so they act as 10 individual songs, even though it's

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really just misplaced childhood the whole thing i said those guys are gonna go for that i mean ha well you got one of us i could beat t over the head with uh you know whatever you know free tickets to his favorite band for the rest of his life i'm not gonna listen you know and i said i don't think george is gonna dig it and lo and behold george digs it so i'm not shutting the door yet john i'm not shutting the door it could happen yeah so it's kind of funny that i came full

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to some degree.

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Yeah.

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So I, but yeah, I appreciate him sending that stuff out and listening,

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of course, but he's not thousands of miles away.

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He's just one mouse click away.

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Absolutely.

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That's right.

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Okay.

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And I've been trying to get him to come on the metal heads podcast,

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but he's been, you know, not wanting to, he's like, Oh yeah, I'll get to it.

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I'll get to it.

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Sure.

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You will body.

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We'll get you on sometime.

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Yeah.

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We'll get them on.

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Yeah.

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And for anyone else out there that wants to send us some suggestions for things to listen to, you know, hit us up on the Facebook. You can Facebook messages or there may be an email somewhere. I don't know. But Facebook's probably your better bet. You can sit on Instagram. I was going to say or Instagram. You did something really funny, George, that old people do. They put the word the before the noun.

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the Instagram. Did I really? You did it on the Facebook, yeah. Well, I meant it like, yeah, okay. I'm old. I'm old. I'm old. No, I love it. It's all right. I love it, too. I think it's awesome. Yeah. I think it's great

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No. Yeah. No. You got to take the five to the four or whatever. That's Southern California. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Like they say the PCH. We just say Highway 1. Not five, right? Is there a five? Yeah. There's a five. All right. We say the five. I don't know my California highways that way. They say the four or five, the one on one. Four or five, one on one. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually very.

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I mean, somebody from LA can correct me, but it's somewhat distinctive. I never grew up saying that in the Bay Area. So it came up around here because during, and we, it was just on TV again the other day, die hard, the one with Oliphant in it, the freer die hard, maybe. I remember, but I liked him as the Oliphant. Yeah. There's the Oliphant one where the whole like fire sale thing goes on and they're shutting down the infrastructure. And anyway, Bruce Willis,

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They're in this D.C. Baltimore area. And they're like, and Bruce Willis is like, they're on the 695. And we're like, yeah, we don't call it that. We don't say that around here. It's just 695. The 695 is a California thing. Yeah. The only time you could say it's like when you could say they're on the 14th Street Bridge. That, yes. That you can say. You don't take the 95. You don't take the 70.

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All right, grandpa.

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So.

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All right.

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I think we're done here.

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He said abruptly.

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Yes.

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Episode 18 is in the books.

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In the books.

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As I like to say in the industry, it's in the can.

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In the can.

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It's in your can.

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We're going to be in the can in a minute here.

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Exactly.

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All right.

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Thanks for listening.

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We'll be back eventually with another episode.

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Presumably next month. God willing and the creek don't rise. Indeed. Until then, see ya. Good night. Rock on. Good day. All right.

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Thank you.