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There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold. And they're climbing the stairway to 11. When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed. But online they can get what they came for.

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Oh, and they're streaming the Stairway to 11.

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Hello, and welcome to Stairway to 11.

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This is episode 14, and my name is George.

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This is John.

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And I'm TR.

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And today, we've got an extra special treat for you, because our good friend Jay from the Metalheads podcast is here to join us today.

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What's up, Jay?

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I couldn't be happier to be here, especially with the subject at hand. So I sort of like seeing you guys in a weird different room or light or something like that. But that's right. It's like when you go over to a coworker's house. Yeah. I don't recognize you without your suit on. I don't recognize you with your pants on. But I'll say this. I'm so glad you asked me to come on for this one. And the reason we asked you is because we knew that you are a big fan of today's subject.

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That's right. This entire episode is dedicated to none other than the king of rock and roll Elvis Presley. Exactly. That's a tall order. That's right. Jay's been all over us. I don't know last few years at least about you know Elvis and John and Jay are always talking about Elvis and comeback special and this and that and so when we decided on this episode I knew we all knew Jay had to be here. So.

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I think we I think you texted him literally two minutes after we were done with the last episode yes I was like Jay want to do this I was so excited I was immediately excited I was like hell yeah man that's awesome because you know what I don't get to talk to people about Elvis exactly well I don't get to talk to people but you know what I mean yeah indeed that's actually the sound outside his window that's yeah and then you need that like whistling wind you know like a little

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Tumbleweed scratching across the scorched earth. Hey, I tell you what, we got the monsoons going now. So every sky right now is like the sky from every beautiful Western painting you've ever seen. So gorgeous. Wow. So it has been noted that we should provide the caveat that while some of us are big Elvis fans, on the whole, we are not Elvis experts. We are just a couple of dumb schmucks and plus Jay, who is a bit of an Elvis expert.

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And John is, okay, okay, I'm talking about TR. TR's not an Elvis expert. But we did agree, okay, before we started recording, we agreed on this, which is the man's career is so long and varied that you can't, I mean, there's so many places to dip in, you know what I mean? There's something we're not going to pay attention to that somebody's going to be like, why didn't you talk about leaving Las Vegas, you know? Yeah, right. And there's legions of people right now eating TV dinners, watching TV in their 73 jumpsuits.

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from the Aloha show. So I mean, there are people out there that take this way seriously, way more than we do, even if we're fans. So if you're one of those people, chillax, sit back, do easy on us. We're doing our best. Constructive criticism. We apologize up front. This is coming from a place of love. So that's right. I am learning.

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about Elvis as quickly as I can. I have been pretty much obsessed with him for the last few months. And yeah, so we'll do our best. I hope it's good enough. Glad you could jump on board, George. Maybe we can convince TR at some point too. Hopefully by the end of this episode, he's going to know more than he wants to if he doesn't want to. I'm so sick of Elvis. No, actually, I've, yeah, well, we'll get into it, but yeah, exactly. There's plenty to talk about. Yeah.

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So plenty of admiration. I'll say that. Wait, before you go any further, since you said that, T.R. T.R. and I just saw Symphony X in Baltimore two and a half weeks ago. And we were maybe partaking in an adult beverage or two before we even left the hotel where I was staying. And we started talking. Easily put in a half an hour without realizing it. Talking about Elvis. Oh, yeah. Nice. That was just

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half of the first beer was probably, I don't know, Opeth, Porcupine Tree, Dream Theater. Well, there was some Prague stuff in there. I think we sprinkled some Prague, but yeah. Yeah, you know, you did. Yeah, eventually you got on the Prague rabbit hole. That's impossible not to do. We can't help but do that, but the bulk was Elvis. Let's be honest. When you're a Prague hobbit, it's hard not to. So anyway. But you know, Elvis was the first Prague rocker, so that fits.

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I like where you're going with this. I was expecting, you know, backlash from that, but okay, I'll take it. I like it. Yeah. All right. Well, Elvis sings Genesis 74. That's right. Can you tell me where my country lies? Oh, that's funny though, too, because one, I mean, I'm not prepared to do this, but it's funny how many pictures there are of people with Elvis, you know, like Alice Cooper. And I know he's not prog, right?

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But all those guys probably did want to and many of them did meet him. Yes. Oh, I don't doubt that they idolized him. I mean, everybody from that period certainly, you know, recognized that he was, you know, the one that started a lot of this. So, yeah, he's definitely one of them. There's a couple. There's a few at that time. Yeah, sure. Probably the most. The best known or visually shown. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Yes. He had someone in his corner that, well, we're not fans of that person.

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Certainly took advantage of Elvis. So anyway, we'll get to that.

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So one of the first things I want to talk about is some, at least somewhat recently, I don't know if it's been this way since he was first coming up, but there's controversy where some people say that Elvis appropriated black music for the white audience.

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And I understand that because up until then, the type of music that he started off playing, it was gospel, it was blues and country and soul music. And traditionally that was a black music. However, if you know anything about Elvis, or at least if you know enough about Elvis, you know that he grew up with his mom while his dad was in jail. And was it Tupelo?

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And he lived in a poor black neighborhood, wandered into a black church in the 40s, and was just mystified by this. I think you kind of just took care of the argument right there. Yeah, exactly. I mean, this was something that he grew up around, and it was clearly part of the

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of his whole youth. I mean, he grew up dirt poor, eating turnips and, you know, next to nothing because they had nothing. If you go to the birthplace and you see their house. It's not even a house. It's, yeah, it's two rooms. It's a kitchen and, like, kitchen, dining room area and a bedroom. And that's literally it. And they call it a shotgun shack because, you know, it's a long house that you could,

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and essentially shoot a shotgun through and go to the other side. Smaller than some apartments.

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It really is. Absolutely. And I was shocked.

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I went there in 2012 and walked through that house.

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And literally you walk through and it's like about 20 steps.

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You go in the front door, you walk through the bedroom, you walk through the kitchen, you're through the house.

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It's done. It's it. That's it. And so he was poor.

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And he absorbed that culture. And I think he reveled in that culture. Because I think he felt like he associated with it. It was the people in his community. And he was part of that community. And I think he felt like that was something that he wanted to. I think he was proud of that. I think he felt like that was where he came from. And so.

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It was natural. I don't think he knew anything else, to be honest with you. Right. I don't think he looked at it as black or white. I think it was just like, I grew up like this. And this is where I came from. And this is what I grew up learning. I don't think he looked at it like, oh, I'm a white guy singing this black stuff. I think he looked at it like, this is where I came from. This is where I was. The guys in my neighborhood sing, yeah. Yeah. Now, the appropriation part comes in merely because the people in the business were like, hey, we got a guy.

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can sell this black music to white people now. That's not his fault. There's nothing he could do about it. There was no hearing. And honestly, they didn't even know that right away. They just were like... Yeah, because it became popular, right? You don't know until it becomes popular. You look at people like Pat Boone, who was doing something like that, but it was... That seemed more like... When you look at Pat Boone, that seemed more like appropriation than what Elvis was doing,

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because to me, like what Pat Boone was doing was kind of more clean and I don't know. Squeaky. Yeah. Like it just seemed like a different thing than what Elvis was doing where, you know, to me, what Elvis was doing was from an honest location. You know, it's like he didn't know one way or the other. He was singing what he knew because it was part of his life. Yeah. And, you know, it was not thrust upon him to be like, hey, sing this. Yeah. It was. This is what I'm singing.

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because this is where I came from.

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And as we know, Pat Boone has a history of appropriating things.

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I'm looking at you in a metal mood.

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Well, this conversation coming up is looking at history through a current day lens, which you can't do.

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It's impossible to do that.

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It's unfair to do that because while we can say that there were injustices of the past,

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Most people, especially in the music and entertainment industry, probably didn't know what was going on behind the scenes. He would be the first person to tell you that he idolized a lot of those musicians. I could be wrong about this, but I thought his comment was early on, can I sing like Fats Domino? No, of course I can't sing like him. He's a much better singer than I am. He made comments like that. If you look at his whole history, every time he wanted to do what he wanted

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to do when he had control of an album? It was a gospel album. That's well into the late 60s he was doing that. And early 70s. I mean, if you look at who he sang with, his backup singers, they're all gospel singers, and that includes both white and black backup groups, like the Jordanaires, which, if you don't know who the Jordanaires are, I'll just give you a hint. They're the guys in the back are going, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, and all his songs. I mean, they were a famous gospel group. I think, I'm pretty sure they were. Yeah, I think if there's any blame to be placed, it's on people

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like Tom Parker and the record labels. But even at the beginning, the major labels were not interested until this stuff took off on Sun Records. Right. Exactly. You know, and I mean, we could debate this to the ends of the earth. You know who if you really want to point the finger at anyone, point the finger at historians for not recognizing people like Chuck Berry earlier. Yeah. If you want to do that. Absolutely. I think even Elvis would tell you, you know, that Chuck Berry deserves a place at the mantle.

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Those are the two biggest ones. The difference between Chuck Berry and Elvis is he had the whole package. He had the looks. He had the moves. He had the voice. And he didn't. Here's the thing. He didn't copy a gospel singer. If you listen to the way that's in the documentary, The Searcher, they talk about how he absorbed everything and said, all right, I'm going to take this. I like this. I want to use this. And then he made it his. But at the same time. He was also just a polite kid.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And that's easy to sell.

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You know, I mean, he was a good boy.

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And so there was just something not, I mean,

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even though there Was the whole Elvis, the pelvis thing at the beginning.

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Right.

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Which is funny because, you know,

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initially he was looked at as almost radical, right?

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Like the, oh, what is he do?

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He was looking to our youth.

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And, you know.

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We need to talk talk about that, by the way.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, it's funny because he was very mannerly.

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He always just addressed people as sir and ma'am.

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And, you know, he came from a youth, you know,

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He was not a rebel necessarily. He might have dressed as a rebel and he might have been kind of wore his sideburns long or whatever. That pompadour may have something to say about that to you. Right, exactly. By today's standards, he was pretty tame. Despite all that, he was always very mannerly. And I think that people, you know,

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People probably got wrapped up in his image a little more than who he really was. And unfortunately, that I think kind of got out of his control a little too fast because, you know, he became perceived as something that I think parents and the older generation were frightened of. He's the original rock star. He was Beatlemania before Beatlemania. Yeah. And I would argue,

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the coolest version of it, honestly. But he still, well, let's talk about that for two seconds, if you guys don't mind. Because, and I know I'm veering off here a little bit, but one of my favorite performances to watch is, and I don't know if this predates Ed Sullivan or not, but it's the same year as the Ed Sullivan stuff. And he goes and he does Hound Dog on the Milton Berle show. That's before that. Yeah, it was before that. And it's one of my favorite performances because he's doing the whole twisty body thing, which he couldn't help himself.

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He didn't even know he was doing it

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And there's a point in it when they go to the breakdown of the song

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and it goes this much, they do a slower kind of outro of it

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Yes, Hound Dog

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And the girls in the audience start laughing

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And then he laughs

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And they didn't think it was funny

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They didn't know what to do with themselves

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They were like, what is this?

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Yeah, you're right

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Nobody had ever seen that before

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He was brought on to basically be kind of showing up

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That was the whole reason for bringing him on

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was to kind of take a pop shot at him

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That was the Steve Allen

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Well, yeah. That was the whole hound dog. That was hound dog, yeah. But the Milton Berle thing, when they were talking about his lower body, somebody said something to him afterward, and he was like, I didn't even realize I was doing that. Just kind of doing what I felt, you know? And so then he consciously started doing it. Yeah. But it's that weird visceral thing that takes place in the audience during that. It's like one of the turning points in history you can watch on television. Like, I'm not joking. Right.

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The Crowd is like giddy and they do think it's kind of funny, but they also think it's the coolest thing they've ever seen. And I just love that moment. And so you do have to appreciate that about him a little bit that nobody ever said anything like it. And so it was dangerous to people for at least a few minutes. Yeah. Yeah. Hypothetically speaking. So in any case, and that's one of the things I love about, you know, so he was black metal, you know, it was true. So to close out the appropriation thing,

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I want to liken Elvis in the late 50s to Eminem in the rap scene. There you go. That's good. I mean, maybe he did get some crap for being a white guy doing hip-hop stuff, but it's the same idea. He grew up, you know, 8 Mile, Detroit. He was surrounded by this culture. He grew up in it. He was part of it. It didn't matter what color his skin was. It's just where he was, what he was, what he did. And what he absorbed. And what he absorbed. And, you know, he turned out

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to be really good at it. Yeah.

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Nicely done.

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That's perfect.

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Actually.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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So.

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All right.

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I have one,

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one,

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one last quick thing.

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It'll just take a second.

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And before anyone accuses him of never writing his own music,

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I would challenge you to go back and look at a majority of the artists at that time who were not people like Chuck Berry and tell me who wrote their own songs.

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I mean,

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they weren't allowed to in most cases.

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That's the,

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that's the thing.

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That's the first thing.

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But I'll even go a little further. What did Joe Cocker write for himself? I mean, all the songs that he's really famous for. I get by with a little help from the Beatles. Exactly. And I'm not picking on Joe Cocker because I think his voice was wild and his gyrations. He looked like some drunk high dude at Woodstock, you know. I think he was. Don't be sure, but he looked like rats. Really? Yeah. So, I mean, it was very common at that time.

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There are very few that were from start to finish in the process of playing their own instrument and writing all their own music because, like you said, a lot of them were not allowed to. The age of the singer-songwriter had not come up. Not yet. The business was not focused on it. It was all about the publishing and the royalties and not giving them to the artist. Tom Parker was getting all of that stuff, as were all the songwriters that were writing.

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the songs that was the industry and you had to get your songs from the songwriters so the songwriters could get paid yeah so how much money was Elvis really making if he was still living that life and he was getting ripped off the whole time yeah think about how much money there was it's staggering to think absolutely staggering because he lived a good life he bought Graceland in 1957 yeah he had money and but John's right in other words if he was worth 100 million maybe it should have been 500 million yeah oh yeah and he was right ripped off

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to the gills.

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Yeah.

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But he was also a guy they had to pay because they wanted to keep him,

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you know,

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they wanted to keep him happy and producing things.

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Well,

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if you ever want to know where Gene Simmons got his business sense,

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just look at Tom Parker.

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He's marketing everything.

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Yeah.

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Literally.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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So do we want to talk about our own introductions to Elvis?

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Let's do it.

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Sure.

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Start with TR.

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Oh, wait, no, we won't. We're going to start with that. Nope. God, this is too complicated with Jay here. Let's start with our guest, Jay. Yes. Yes. All right, well, I'll be fairly brief, too. Well, I'll start out way back, and this doesn't count as my true introduction because I didn't appreciate it, but I was probably less, I could, I might have been five years old, and I went to some kid's birthday party, fellow five-year-old kid, and it was in this place called

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and they lived in a trailer and the trailer was bedecked in the 70s as a Elvis fan would have it with it literally with the velvet Elvis and all this stuff and it was the first my first introduction to Elvis cult like I knew who Elvis was because he was ubiquitous he was out there and just not gonna not know who Elvis was and I talked to his grandma or whoever that was like why do you have all this Elvis stuff and they were well he's the best guy you know and they were more than happy to tell this dumbass five-year-old kid why they loved Elvis so much show me all their records and I

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I liked music so I was happy to sit there and talk and literally while the birthday party is going on outside of Sarah listening to this person talk about it I absorb none of it to be perfectly frank but it's still a memory that I have and so I guess for me it would have been I'll just say again he was ubiquitous so you've known about Elvis your whole life like you've known about Marilyn Monroe or John F. Kennedy or whoever and I didn't appreciate or you know I mean I heard the songs that I would hear on the radio stuff but the thing that turned me on

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to him was, and I'm sorry this is going to come up so much, but it is for all of us, the 68 Comeback Special. The first time I watched it and watched the, what do you want to call it, the, you know, in the round thing they did. And even more particularly when they did Trying to Get to You, which is this really great song off of Elvis' very first record. And he does this just screaming version of it and also gets kind of moved by the spirit and kind of stands up in between, you know, chorus.

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And I was like, oh, I get it. And then I started to kind of look around and I found, like I ran into that clip that I was just talking about of Hound Dog. And I suddenly I was this guy who was there. I was like, I totally understand what those was like to see for the first time. And then I just started buying records and geeking out on the 70s stuff and everything else. And sum it up there. And so I've been a fan for a long time, pretty holistic fan, but I'll sum it up there when I say there's, there are people who are good songwriters.

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There's like people I recognize as good bass players or like a great guitar player, Richie Blackmore, that I love or Michael Shanker. Thank you very much. Yes, right. Yes. But there are certain people who are just touched by the hand or touched by the fist of God. Elvis is one of those people. I'm sorry. He's so beautiful. Yes. So his voice is like a trumpet. He had it right until the end. He's so presentable and he's artistic just in his movements.

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You know, I'll give you one example and I'll shut the hell up. And it's that during the 68 comeback special, and I have a lot more to say about a lot of his other performances, his hair starts to get messed up at some point when he's really kind of feeling it. And it looks just as cool as it does when it's not messed up. Yeah, exactly. But when you're that pretty, it doesn't matter. He's, you know, another person that comes to mind and he's not a musician is Marlon Brando.

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We're just there. It was like everything happened perfectly and this is it. And then so that's the presentation and then there's the music which we'll talk about more as we go on. But I just have a great love of his innate touch by the hand talent like Eddie Van Halen. You know what I mean? Absolutely. There's never been another one like him. Right. All right, TR. So it's interesting because I having grown up when I did and really kind of

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Achieving Music Consciousness only almost after he died. And kind of really only knowing that latter Elvis. Unfortunately, people my age or my generation kind of didn't really have a full appreciation of Elvis because by the time we kind of knew who he was in our youngest years, he was already kind of a caricature of himself, which was really a sad thing.

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because when you go back and you do look at what he did and who he was and everything before that. So it wasn't until 2012 when I went to Graceland and I went to Sun Studio and I went to Tupelo and kind of absorbed all this. And you go to Graceland and you see all the record awards, what he did, like the displays and the video performances. And they had a section in there about the 68 comeback.

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And when I observed all that, I came away with a profound, deeper appreciation for who Elvis was that I think I felt like, wow, I felt like I had missed the train. I felt, oh my gosh, you know, I can't believe that I didn't know all this stuff. I mean, I, like Jay said, you'd have to be under a rock to not have heard.

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Like popular Elvis songs, right? Everybody's heard Hound Dog. Everybody's heard, you know, Jailhouse Rock. Everybody's heard like all these songs that like are so well known that, you know, from throughout his career. So, you know that stuff. And you've, you know, you probably saw like something from, you know, like when he was on the show we were just talking about. Why can't I remember his name? Which one? The Steve Allen, the Milton Berle? No, the other one after that. Oh, Sullivan.

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Yeah, the Sullivan show. One of those guys. Yeah, one of those guys. Oh, thank you. So anyway, yeah. So that was like, these are like critical moments in history. And so we're all aware of them, but you don't really have an appreciation for what, depending on when you grew up and what you kind of absorbed, there's a good chance that, you know, if you kind of came in at the wrong time, you don't get the real picture unless you really go back and you really

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listen to everything and you see everything and you absorb everything and and when i went to graceland in 2012 i came away like with a whole different appreciation for what elvis was about i i came away i came out blown away from that place because i i really it was like oh yeah this guy is in a caricature he developed rock and roll like he was he was the prototype like he's a founding father

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of everything we love, right? And that really kind of blew me away. Now, I will be the first one to say, do I, you know, love all his music and have all his music? No. But can I appreciate, like, the impact that he had on modern music and the beginnings of rock and roll? Absolutely. And do I admire, you know, Jay's been talking about the 68 Comeback Special. I'm telling you, that is an incredible performance.

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that there's no doubt in my mind. Like when I watched that, I came away thinking to myself, holy cow, this guy, you know, it was literally like what, maybe 12, 13, 14 years, you know, less than that. Like he really hit it big probably in what, 54, 55, 56, he really hit his stride. And you're talking 12 years later, he's doing this special after he's already, you know, the Beatles have come,

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The Beatles are already there. They're almost over with. He went to the army. He did 31 movies or whatever it was. And here he is performing in a way that people have not seen him perform in almost 12 years. And I lost my mind when I saw this because I was like, this is incredible. And that, more than anything, really kind of crystallized what I think he was all about.

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because you can tell as he's performing that he is kind of reclaiming himself in that performance and really discovering like hey what have I been doing with these stupid films all this time this is what I really this is what I'm about this is what I really love and you can tell he is just reveling in that performance and anyway that sorry to kind of go off on a tangent here but

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That really was a big revelation for me. That I came away with a much bigger admiration and just, you know, an overall respect for Elvis after that. Can I say something about the 68 comeback special too, which is just this, and then I'll be brief. Yeah, that's all we're going to talk about. Yeah, well, I know. But one of the things that I love about that is it was a 68, you know, and stuff. And you know, the Grateful Dead, the Beatles, everybody, they were all glued to their television set.

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Yes. They were all like Elvis is back. I can't wait to see this. I always think of all those rock stars sitting around watching Elvis come back. Yeah. And I'm sure they were like, this is where he belongs. Like you see that performance and it's like, yeah, where you been, buddy? Like we missed you. Yeah. Pretty much from the time he went into the army until the comeback special, he was a victim of Tom Parker's greed. You know? And.

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This was this brief, shining moment before the darkness settled in.

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Well, it extends beyond that, but we'll talk about it.

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I'm generalizing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I mean, the cool thing was he toured after that for a good few years, and they were all 68.

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Extensively toured.

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Yeah, yeah, they were.

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In 73 and 74, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, 69, we'll talk about it.

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Yeah, when he makes his return to Texas, yeah.

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That's right.

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But not to contradict you in any way, George, I just, but I know what you mean by the darkness. And it's funny because I almost see it all as light. I tend to think of that last year as probably the only real bad. Yeah. Yeah. All right, John. So I might be the only one, I wouldn't say I was from a music house, but my parents listened to a lot of music and my aunt especially listened to a lot of music. She's the one who got me into the stones. I had my first record and I was seven years old and it was,

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Live If You Want It From The Stones. It's such a bad recording, but I, to this day, still absolutely love that album. But my dad was a big Elvis fan. And so I never saw him as the caricature he became. And I honestly really do feel the caricature was developed by everybody else. I don't think until maybe 76 is when the rails started to, or the wheels started to loosen, you know, a little bit.

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But it was everyone who wanted to be like that. And then, you know, Vegas became just obscenely strange in its obsession with him. It's I mean, Jay, you know, you got married in Vegas, you and Matt. So I mean, so back to my thing. So I always I heard everything, you know, because of my dad. He loved him. And so whenever anything was on, we watched it. But it didn't click until I was in high school. Even though I knew all his stuff, everything.

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But it didn't really become something that I super enjoyed. I mean, I liked all the songs, but until I saw, again, the 68 special, but I watched it with my dad. And the song that got me, which I'm sure a lot of people would probably say is one of the highlights is when they do, and it's with the lights down. So you just see them and just the ring of people around them. There's not many people that you can see, but when they do, that's all right.

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It's just absolutely on fire, that version of the song. And I was like, okay. And I was getting into blues at that time, you know, in high school, because I was a huge Steve Ray Vaughn fan. I liked Robert Cray and everything. And I was like, okay, yeah. Now I'm seeing someone do something that I'm not as familiar with. So I was always a fan. It wasn't then until I got into college. Now, my other friends liked them too. And there may have been some,

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adult beverage partaking in dorm rooms on two west of Phelan Hall at University of San Francisco, where I may have had my own assortment Hawaiian shirts and towels around my neck doing karate kicks to burn in love while we were listening to it. Oh, my. Yeah. Oh, I mean, we would just sit there all night and listen and laugh. And it was but that was just one of many bands we do that to. So but I've been probably a big fan.

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even though I don't really have much from him because you don't have to really go anywhere. It's all it's everywhere. You can find it anywhere to listen to especially in the digital age probably since the high school. You know I knew everything going back to I mean I can remember the news when he died. Right. You know I mean there's bits and pieces that you remember in life. I don't remember Elvis I remember Lennon. Oh I was watching Monday Night Football when that happened and I woke my dad up because he was snoring I said dad John Lennon got killed and he wasn't

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I'm a Beatles fan, but even he was surprised.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I, my history goes back because of my dad, actually, which is funny.

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Cause I didn't like any of my ads, other music.

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Like I could, I can't stand Frank Sinatra because of that.

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Oh man.

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And just, it's just, it was playing all the time.

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It was rebellion because I'm outside listening to Marillion washing the car.

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Yeah.

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And now I look back and I'm like, man, that was pretty messed up back then.

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People walk by, what is going on here? Worlds are colliding. So. So I wasn't a big fan growing up or anything. I think probably my first memory of Elvis anyway is probably in the late 70s at school trading baseball cards. And much like Kiss, there were Elvis trading cards. And so, you know, I was a strictly a baseball card person other than Star Wars cards.

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because, I mean, you gotta have Star Wars cards. But, you know, I would flip cards with people. And I was really good, so I was taking everybody's cards. And, you know, I'd end up with football cards. And what's this, a hockey card, a basketball card? What? And, you know, Gene Simmons spitting blood. That was traumatizing. But then, like, Elvis in all the, like, big-collar sequence jumpsuit stuff. And I was like, huh, all right, Elvis, all right. So that was probably my first memory of him. But it was only, like, maybe 20 years ago.

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I was recording

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some songs for a singer-songwriter

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in this area

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by the name of George Ziotti.

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He was a really good

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singer-songwriter.

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He came over with his acoustic guitar

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and he would play stuff and sing.

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And I recorded his album

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and he was a huge Elvis fan.

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And so listening to him

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play some songs by Elvis

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with just his voice and acoustic guitar

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kind of began my interest.

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I was like, man, maybe this Elvis is kind of cool. And so that was when I just casually started picking up some stuff and going, all right, maybe this doesn't as dumb and stupid as a kid from the eighties would have thought. And I had a bit of a, more of an open mind about him since then. But then it's only been in the, like the last few years that I really started to dig in and listen more. And then not exactly coincidentally, the last few months I've been on a huge blues country and early rock kick.

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that of course brought me back to Elvis. And now I've been obsessed. I mean, I'll get into more later with some of the stuff, the Elvis stuff that we want to talk about. But yeah, I've been very much Elvis lately. In fact, I even decided to butcher one of his songs recently and did my own terrible cover of Heartbreak Hotel. Oh boy. Thank you very much.

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That's one thing we might have talked about was great Elvis covers or covers of Elvis songs. Mine does not fit that category. Fair enough. But that's an interesting point, though, George, because, and this is true to a lot of performers, but not always, but this Elvis stuff belongs to Elvis. It's just you're not really going to cover something of Elvis, one of his signature tunes, and really do it some kind of justice, unless you really Daniel Lenoir or something, you know what I mean, and purposely go weird.

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Yeah. It's more about just respecting it and having fun, you know? Yeah. Is this as good as his? Hell no. But, you know, nothing is going to be. It's just something to do that's fun. So, yeah, I am now well ensconced in the Elvis obsessed cult. So it's only going to get worse from here. I have not yet been to Graceland. However, I'm hoping to remedy that soon. Possibly.

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soon as next weekend.

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Ooh,

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not really.

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It will see.

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It's there's talk of a July 4th trip.

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And I'm,

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that's my push.

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Probably not,

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but it's on,

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you know,

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it's in the running sideburns.

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Thank you very much.

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Look on that lip.

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It's his lip,

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you know,

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which he says in the 68.

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That's the,

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that's one of the cool things about the 68 special.

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He kind of,

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he almost kind of makes fun of himself a little bit.

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You know, he's like, oh, you know, but it's in a loving way of just, you know, I realize what, you know, what people were fussing about back then. And, you know, he's kidding around about it. But it's just so cool. Like, it's like this self understanding and self knowledge, but still like kind of reveling in it. And yeah, exactly. I think that's one of the that's just one small element of what's cool about that special.

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He actually did that quite a bit. I mean, when he sings with Frank Sinatra, which is iconic now when you think about it, that those two were there. Frank is the consummate professional. I mean, he's even laughing at some point because Elvis kind of starts self-deprecating a little bit in the way he's kind of gyrating and everything is not doing much. And Frank's doing the upper body. Frank's kind of doing the thing with his shoulders. And he didn't try to show Frank up, but I think Frank kind of liked that he was trying to add a little extra.

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And it's just anytime he was around people, he actually not self-deprecating in a bad way. I think he was poking fun of his persona because he realized what it meant to people. And TR, you're right. The lip thing that he does in the 68th special is actually really funny because he does it twice. He's like, well, I got something wrong with my lip. His band's talking to him, which makes it even funnier.

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Yeah.

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You know, there's a few live records that you'll need to check out when, and when we get to our suggestions, I'm going to name the hell out of them. But there's that all through the seventies really. And he, like he is this one on this 1969 tour where he's starting a song called my babe. And it's such a good song. It's big, almost heavy metal song. And he starts out with a, then he kind of fades out and he goes, that's all there is to it. It just sort of starts and tapers off to nothing. You know what I mean?

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And then he also would frequently, when he would do Love Me Tender, he'd say, this was for my first album back in 1827. You know what I mean? He got it, you know? And actually one other humility story I have to tell, which I love to death, and this is in a very fun-to-watch documentary called Elvis on Tour. And this would have been post, probably 73, 75, something like that. I don't know. He still looks pretty good. But in any case, he plays, and by the way, this is something worth mentioning, too.

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It was Elvis would go on a tour and he would play an afternoon show an evening show you know I mean like he played two times a day in these big venues for he'd sell out Madison Square Garden three days in a row with two shows each day and big long shows and anyway he's doing this press conference for Madison Square Garden and they say Elvis how come you know you haven't been around you haven't really come here you know you've been touring a little bit again this is your first time to New York in a long time if ever possibly

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And he said, well, I don't know.

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You know, he said, I think we couldn't get the building.

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And all the guys in the press corps laughed because they're like, what do you mean you couldn't get the building?

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Because of course he could get the building.

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But he was that humble and that simple in his weird sort of way.

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That was just like what he said.

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It was just like Elvis could have picked up the phone and they would have canceled basketball.

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Yeah.

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For him to play.

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And he's very sincere when he says, we probably just couldn't get the building.

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You know what I mean?

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And I just love that.

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I love that. Right. Probably kind of thought that and thought of himself like other people. They don't just let you have Madison Square Garden. Yeah. It's, but you're Elvis. Yeah. Right. Yeah. You know, when you love that humility thing and I'm glad that, that, that came up because there's lots of good examples of that. When you cut through all the stereotypes and all the things that you think, you know, and you get down to seeing through, you know, footage and stuff, what he was actually like, he seemed like a really,

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He cared about his mother

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and he cared about everybody around him

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and he just wanted to sing music

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and he was extremely generous

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I mean he gave gifts to everybody

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like everybody he knew

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like cars and he gave

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extra uniforms

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to all of his

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army mates that were in his

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group

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And I think that wasn't a publicity stunt. It was for real. He really wanted to help people and do things for the people he cared about. That's just not the thing that people focus on. There's a famous and frequently told story about some old lady he saw carrying groceries in Memphis. And this was probably in the 70s. And he didn't know this old lady. He bought her Cadillac.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, which is funny because that's so Elvis too. Like this old lady wants probably some big fancy car. So probably about the big, all the flashing lights and everything, which she probably felt ridiculous in. But I just love that he was moved by this person carrying these groceries on and thought she shouldn't have to do that. Yeah. And I think there are lots of stories like that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he paved the way for, like I said, rock stardom. He was probably like the original rock star in terms of, you know, the screaming fans.

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the tons of money and you know there were you know big band people and Sinatra and people like that but they weren't rock stars they didn't elicit the same response from you know the fans I mean maybe I don't know maybe I'm wrong there but but you know what I mean it was the beginning of a new era no it was different I mean Sinatra had a lot of fans but it was different you know it was I think yes I mean there were probably screaming girls at Sinatra concerts right nothing probably

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like what Elvis was about, you know, and he was more overtly sexual than any of the people that came before him. And I think that also played into it as well, because, you know, I think that and that's, you know, that was what was so groundbreaking because and that was what was, you know, so put so much fear into parents, you know, what is my daughter listening to or looking at here? And, you know, I don't want my kids looking at this.

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And so, but, but yeah, I just, I mean, Jay, you said it, like he, this was a natural thing for him. Like this just poured out of him. And it was not like, there was nothing calculated. I don't think about Elvis, you know, he, he really was who he was. And that's, I think one of the reasons it, because it was so genuine. I think that's why it shines the way it does. And so,

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Yeah, I have an observation I'd like to share, and you guys are leaning towards it, and it's something that I personally feel about him in his career, which is I have a lot of forgiveness for the patchy parts, because, and by the patchy parts, I mean the fact that he signed his life away, probably under the tutelage of Colonel Tom Parker, two United Artists, or whatever movie studio he was stuck with. Paramount, I think. Paramount. And he was stuck there for, what, eight, ten years or something, and took a big chunk out of his career, and he made dopey records.

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which he wouldn't have been making if he wasn't in movies because every record supported a movie blah blah blah and i even have the smallest amount of forgiveness for colonel tom parker and it's because there was no blueprint this was the first guy and so his career was mishandled in a lot of ways and but they had to make it up as they went along i mean like i literally you like you just said it george he was like the first rock star and so and to be fair i always kind of wanted to be in movies he did i don't know if he would

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Sign that big long contract. But he didn't want to do them for music. He wanted to actually act. Yeah. Correct. And so there's that. But all I mean to say is that's one of the things that where his where he kind of goes a little fuzzy on the left and the right. I have a lot of forgiveness for him because he was the first guy out there and he was always charted in uncharted waters. Really. You know. And so of course some of it got done kind of wrong. You know. I mean I think throughout he was an immaculate performer.

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But, you know, that's a lot. That's a lot to think about. Nobody had ever been merchandised like him. Nobody had ever been, they didn't know what the hell to do with him, you know? Yeah, it's really sad to me the whole decade of movies that he didn't really want to do, you know? I think he said, you know, what could he have been doing if he wasn't doing that? And it's just so sad that he felt trapped like that. I mean, can you imagine how horrible that was to be,

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all super famous and not doing what you wanted to do and just feeling like you had to toe the company line because otherwise maybe everybody around you is going to lose everything. And well, and the thing was, is that the movies were extremely profitable. And so, you know, and this, I think is something that John and I talked about. And some of them are okay, by the way, they're not all crap. Well, yeah, right. But they are kind of fluff, right? I mean, I think that, you know, John and I were talking about this.

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If he had been on tour and he had been touring and making money that way, he can do a certain number of performances a year. But if you put movies into theaters and hundreds of thousands of people see that movie, you can probably make more money doing a movie and selling a soundtrack to that movie than you ever could doing tours and shows. But are you happy? Well, right.

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My point is that in terms of exposure and getting Elvis in front of people, there was probably way more of that with the movies than he ever would have done if he had been touring. Not to say it's right, but in terms of making money, I mean, Colonel Tom Parker was no dummy, right? He knew, okay, here's how we're going to make money, right? And I think that that was the ticket, right?

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if you're out there just doing shows, and you're not going to be, you know, you're not going to plaster this guy's appearance and everything out there like you would with movies. So I understand like why they went that route. But it but you know, as you say, it wasn't what he wanted to do. And it's a shame because when you look back on it, you think to yourself, what would he have been doing? What kind of songs would he been writing? What kind of performances would he have been making? And

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How far would he have pushed that performance limit that he later kind of got reinvigorated to do in after the 68 special? Oh, hey, this is what I'm about. This is really I got to focus on what I think is really me, which is getting out in front of people, performing in front of them and pushing the envelope in terms of the stage show, the stage costumes, the lights, everything that was like an Elvis performance that, you know,

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essentially became what a rock show was about. How much sooner would that have happened if he had started in the early 60s? We'll never know, right? So I have a suggestion then too, which is something if you guys haven't seen it, I highly recommend it. It's a DVD slash documentary that was made at the time while he was still alive. They followed around with a camera and the name of the film is Elvis the Way It Is. And it's the end of the Paramount.

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and Elvis is even using a rehearsal studio in Paramount Studios with his band to get ready to go out on tour. It's in 1970, so it's after the Comeback Special. He went and toured a little bit in 69, and then he got things together in 70, and he was finishing up with Paramount, and it's amazing. First off, they just really just let the camera run through these rehearsals that just go on forever, and they just will ring out one song for a long time, and Elvis is riffing on it and moving fast.

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and calling out chord changes and singing like an amazing rock singer and then it moves on to the tour and the tour and so what i mean is this was his release from paramount and you get to see what he did with that and he goes and he does this tour and it's the crazy elvis tour and everybody's coming up to see him and it's the one with the madison square garden interview i mentioned in it and and then there's like these wonderful scenes in it where late at night he wants to sing so they go down to the the convention center place of the hotel and just sing gospel all night like it's so good

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You really gotta watch it. And it is, you're getting to see him set free. And it's pretty special, actually. And then there's also some interviews with crazed fans and, you know, as in obsessed fans and things like that. It's a lot of fun to watch. And it's also fun to watch him to be nervous about the first performance and stuff. It's really great. So anyway, that is documented, the release from that period. And yeah, okay, we lost a big space of time. It is what it is. But he did come out and do some pretty great stuff. So.

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Yeah. Well, if I can bring it back a little bit. So Parker was a carny shyster. Yeah. You know, that's where he came up was in the carny business. And that's what he tried to do with Elvis. That's what he knew. He was, you know, I'm going to sell stuff. I'm going to make money. And as we mentioned earlier, Parker couldn't leave the country because he was not a U.S. citizen. I think he was German and Netherlands. Sorry. Close enough. German Netherlands. Yeah. He was here illegally. He's not in the country. Didn't he have a felony or something?

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Yeah, supposedly he like killed somebody or hurt somebody or something. And anyway, he, you know, so he was afraid to leave the country because he didn't think he'd be able to get back in. And so he took his crap and put it on Elvis because Elvis, after the 68 special and early seventies, I think he wanted to tour the world. He wanted to go all those places he'd never been. And which leads to the Aloha

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that we talked about earlier that was Parker's solution to that was if we go to Hawaii we can do this thing to make Elvis happy he's getting to everybody in the world can see him but I don't have to leave the country and that is even worse than the rest of Parker's BS because I have seen more of the world than Elvis Presley ever did well Elvis only left the country when he was in the military and he went to Germany it's the only time he ever went anywhere

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He only ever performed in the United States of Canada. Yes. Life. That was him. And so. By the way, he gets asked this at that same New York press conference. Does he want to go and play? I've always wanted to go play to other countries and stuff. Yeah, he mentions Japan. And it's heartbreaking. And one of the biggest rock and roll sins perpetrated on one person by another was the fact that Parker did that to Elvis and to the world. The rest of the world was denied him.

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because of this man's crap.

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And I hope he rots in hell forever for that.

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He could have stayed here.

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He could have just said, go do your tour or else then you can help.

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Right.

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But then he wouldn't have his thumb on him.

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Yeah, he was afraid to have people around him that he couldn't control.

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Because that happened a couple times.

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And that's why Elvis's circle was extremely small.

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He didn't even have many friends outside of the musicians he played with.

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Yeah.

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It was a small circle. Yeah, it was. Which, you know, in itself, I don't know if you guys ever heard the Mac Davis story. I think it's Mac Davis. And if I'm wrong, please, someone out there, correct me. But he got invited to come see a movie with Elvis at the theater. And was it an Elvis movie? No, I don't know. Elvis would rent out a whole theater and they would go. And so he was late and he got there. And so Elvis was sitting in whatever role he was in.

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with his girlfriend. I don't know who that was at the time.

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This is just, I'm telling this story as

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Mac Davis told it. Like I said, I'm pretty sure it's him.

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And so he went and sat down in that row.

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And they watched a movie and then when he

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got up, I don't know, to go out to go to the bathroom,

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one of the handlers

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came out and said, so hey, yeah,

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you're not supposed to sit in the same row as Elvis.

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He said, what are you talking about?

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Yeah, we don't sit in his row.

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We all sit behind him.

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And it really pissed off Pat Davis to the point where he's like, well, I'm out of here. I'm leaving. And Elvis saw him at the end. He's like, well, what's going on? What's wrong? What's up? And, you know, it was kind of funny because I think he did the impersonation, too, which he made even funnier. He's like, well, one of your guys, he just flat out said one of your guys told me I couldn't sit with you. He said, who said that? So I'm not burning anyone, you know, but I'm just telling you, I'm leaving. I'm not going to put up with this. And Elvis was genuinely pissed about it, but he didn't know because

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this Teflon around him that he couldn't control. And he wanted the guy there, wanted to hang out with him. And I don't think that they hung out that much after that, but they did have collaboration together, you know, with some songs. I mean, there's some pretty famous songs that he sang that were written by him. So. By the way, I misspoke. The one I was talking about, the movie, I mix up two. There's one called Elvis on tour and that's worth watching. And that's the one where he comes out of

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is where he's preparing to do a residency in vegas um but it's 69 so and it's great it's so good so it's just one year after they come back and then the elvis and tour is probably mid-70s but both totally worth your time both of these dvd films and both sanctioned documentaries about elvis where he was like yeah you can follow me around the camera for six months all right so let's move on to what we're calling the elvis experience and tr's already given us his gracelandic story and i've

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mentioned my hopeful Graceland story, but you know what, uh, we've alluded to some documentaries. What are some things maybe that we haven't mentioned documentaries, books? I know I've read a book, anybody that may or may not have gotten married in Vegas to other members of other podcasts, things like that. I'm going to start just cause I want to. And that's because there's a lot that I love and that I think people should hear. And I'm kind of focused on performances. Like I really get into this weird obsessive place where,

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I can watch like some of these DVDs I've told you over and over and I always see something new and it's just kind of fun to see Elvis living his life and so on and so forth so there's those things but I have some favorite records and one of them is called The Prince from Another Planet and it's live at Madison Square Garden and there was an afternoon show and an evening show the evening show was released on vinyl and then some years later they went and put the afternoon show out and it's so much better than the evening show a bunch of my favorite Elvis performances around this record he does You've Lost That Love and Feeling which he does an amazing version of this he does

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Never Been to Spain by Three Dog Night. And I mean, and really does. I mean, then one of my favorite performances, which in the 70s tour, he did something called the American Trilogy, which is way down south of Dixie. You guys know it. Battle Him by Republic kind of stuff. The version on this is amazing. His voice is like a trumpet in this thing. And then you're probably familiar with in the 70s, he would do Suspicious Minds and they would do this kind of crescendo decrescendo thing at the end where the song would just go on for about four minutes and then they'd take off.

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and everybody would like a house on fire you know and there's this it's funny but i

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actually have some favorite elvis karate footage it's at the end of the performance of

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suspicious minds from the afternoon show prince from another planet somebody taped it

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on a super eight so it doesn't have a soundtrack and i literally sat there and matched it up that's how

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obsessed i can do this guy and it's the big drum stuff at the end and elvis is getting ready to cue band

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And it's so good. And it was when I fell in love with the jumpsuits, by the way. And so Prince from Another Planet, probably my favorite record, Elvis of all time. I'll have to look up and see what year it is, but it's mid to 70s. If you don't have a copy of Elvis's first record, it's one of the great rock records of all time. I listen to this and I hear Blue Moon and I want to be sitting in a 1957 Chevy with a girl out at, you know, Inspiration Point. It's so good.

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You know what really I love about Elvis right now, right in this moment? Is that there's so much yet to be discovered. He has so much stuff. As someone who's like, what kingdoms are left to conquer? Musically speaking, not to toot my own horn, but I know a lot of stuff. I'm OCD. I dig into things until there's nothing left. And there's so much Elvis left to listen to. So I am going to check that out.

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I'm going to hit you with a few more, but one is a record called Elvis in person. This documents the 1969 tours of this again is when Elvis was released from his movie hell and went out and actually did a tour with a primarily a rock band. It's not the big horns. It has a wonderful backup singers. I like the stuff with the horns and stuff like Prince from another planet is a huge band. I mean, they've got a timpani. They do. It opens with us spokes Zarathustra as you know, 2001, a space.

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Exactly. And then I would like to recommend Moody Blue was his last record that was released post-mortem as it were. And he there's a version of Unchained Melody on that that was Break Your Heart. There's famous footage of him doing Unchained Melody when it's the fat footage, but it and it's in Vegas. Rapid City. Rapid City. Thank you, George. Good call. And yeah, he's sweating and they're holding the microphone up to his face. But you can hear how intact his voice was.

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That was mind-blowing. Mind-blowing. Well, the version on Moody Blue is even better. Unless that version is slightly doctored, because it is live on Moody Blue, but they went back and put some orchestral stuff on it, because I think that performance was so moving. If you don't know the song Hurt from the late 70s, you really need to check that out. And then the DVDs that I've mentioned, and I'll stop and accept to say that I have a pile of these things. I mean, there are things I've watched where 30 seconds of it is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life.

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I would also

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really really stress the people to watch that

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hound dog performance on the Milton Berle show

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if you really want to see it

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the Milton Berle one

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this is when he did the hound dog where everybody laughs

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I thought the Steve Allen one was the one that actually had the dog on it

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yeah and he

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was belittled by that

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and then lastly because I really want to hand it off

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to somebody else but there's some famous footage

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of Elvis that I don't think

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has sound to it

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But somebody piped in the sound or added some sound to it. It's one where he did this very first touring and he was out on these outside stages with a big huge package kind of tour. And there's this very famous footage of him kind of really, you know, the whole, you know, kind of doing this thing. And there's this one wonderful thing where he stops and his leg stops and then he grabs his own legs and moves it back over. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. And I mentioned that just because just that

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The visual performance of somebody being moved by the spirit like that.

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Speaking in rock and roll tongues.

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And exactly.

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And how inspirational he was and how inspired he was and what a performer he was.

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I just love that little bit of footage.

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I mean, it's, and Elvis' career is full of that stuff.

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So footage.

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Those are some of my favorite things.

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And I think as we talk, you guys are going to prompt other things to come out of my own head, but.

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Sure.

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I'll be only too happy to put together a playlist or something if we want to attach it of things I care about, you know. Absolutely. And I mean, like there are performances. I know where to find the best performance of CC Rider. You know, like I listen to so many live shows and I'm like, he was on fire. So anyway. So just to call back to the Metal Heads podcast, TCB, what did that stand for again? Take care of it.

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That's right, baby. All right. TR, you got anything? I do. So Elvis really hit his stride when my mom was a teenager. So she was a huge fan. And so when you mean like when he was Elvis? Yeah, like in 1956. Okay. Yeah. Okay. You know, my mom was probably 15. So it was huge. And so so my mom went with me to

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in 2012. Nice. And it was more for her than for me. Yeah. Because she was such a huge fan. Mostly like when he first came out, like when he first hit this scene and she talks about, so her first record from him was Heartbreak Hotel. She remembers watching clips on American Bandstand. Does she want to hear my version? She grew up in, yeah, maybe not. She grew up in, well, they, my, my mom's family moved

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to Delaware in 1950. So she was growing up in Delaware. And they received stations from Philadelphia. So that's why American Bandstand was on the TV. She watched them on Sullivan. And she remembers back at that time, dancing was a big deal back then. And when she told me basically at lunchtime in school,

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The teachers and everything would let them have their stereos out. They would have a stereo where they could play these records and they could all just dance to these records at lunch. And that was a big deal. That was really something fun and exciting for them. And they used to play Elvis records at lunchtime and dance to those songs. And I asked her, I said, so what was it about Elvis? You know, was it his singing? Was it like his appearance or like what? And she was just like, it was his songs. You could dance to his songs.

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his songs like that was really important to them being able to dance to that stuff and he was beautiful like you know all the girls loved him because he was just such a beautiful looking human being and i so i asked her about a lot of this because i said so you know so what do you recall from that time and she said well you know they were all disappointed when he went into the when he went into the army because you know basically he was taken out of the

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and put into the army.

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And that was really disappointing to them because it was just like,

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he was just hitting it really big.

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Right.

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That was like almost the peak of what he was doing.

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And off he had to go to the army,

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which was like so disappointing to them.

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And what was that all about?

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Because there wasn't even a war on and he got drafted.

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How do you get drafted with no war?

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No draft was still around.

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Cold war.

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Still a cold war.

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But also TR,

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I wonder if you're aware that he,

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that Colonel Tom Parker was just as worried about that. I know we all are not big fans of this. So they shoved Elvis in the studio and just recorded a boatload of singles. Yeah. Well, right. They had plenty to release during the time he was away for two years. Yeah. But he wasn't there. But he wasn't there. And so, and then when he started making the movies, my mom said they didn't have any real love scenes and it left them wanting because, you know, none of these scenes were like, it was like fluff, you know, and he, they wanted more, like they wanted like real love.

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love scenes from Elvis. They wanted skin. Yeah, they didn't get any of that. So and so she told me and you know, it's interesting because while all this is we've been talking about this and this whole concept for this episode came up in the meantime, just what was it? Not this past weekend, but the weekend before they had in Harrington, Delaware, the Harrington Historical Society released a documentary about.

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a company called Blue Hen Records, which was a Delaware record recording thing that took place in that time frame. And back at that time in Delaware, there was a guy named Jimmy Staten. And my mom remembers Jimmy Staten. And he played basically music like Elvis. He did Elvis covers. They used to go to... Jimmy Staten and his band would play at these fire hall dances every Wednesday and Saturday.

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Saturday or something for 25 cents, my mom said. And you could go down there and dance to this music. And they would play basically Elvis covers. And, you know, just like any big phenomenon, there's going to be like the knockoffs that can play that. Now, this guy, Jimmy Staton, ended up, he's in the Rockabilly Hall of Fame. He's, you know, like he was his own guy, right? Like he, while he did like a bunch of Elvis covers, like at these,

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dances and stuff. He also had his own music that he did and he recorded on Blue Hen Records. And so they had this documentary and it was very interesting. And so my mom and I went to that. And so, I mean, it's all part of this whole scene from the mid 50s, the mid to late 50s, where Rockabilly was kind of coming onto the scene and, you know, all of that. Anyway, when my mom and I went to Graceland in 2012, you know, when she kind of,

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I guess when she got married so she married my dad in 1964 and they went you know because he was in the Air Force they traveled and you know she kind of lost touch with what was going on in the U.S. at that time and and Elvis had kind of you know when he went into the service and then like he was making all those movies and so she kind of lost touch with what was going on with Elvis even though she was a big fan like in high school with him.

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Did she think your dad was Elvis because he was in the military? No. And she was like, wait, I married the wrong one. Although I will say they were born in the same year. But anyway, so she kind of lost track of him. And I don't think she while she was really big on him in high school and when she was growing up, when she when we went to Graceland and she found out we went through all the displays and saw everything. She was knocked out by his like the breadth of his repertoire, you know, especially the guy.

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and some of the other stuff that he had done that she, I guess, was kind of unaware of because I think, you know, she was mostly focused on that mid to late 50s Elvis and didn't really kind of track him after that. And so so she came away with a greater appreciation for him after going to Graceland as well, because she had not really, you know, kept track of him after that.

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She didn't understand the holistic performer that he was.

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Right. And I mean, she did. So I talked to her about, you know, if there were Elvis performances, I think the Aloha Elvis performance was televised. Correct. A little bit. And, and, yeah. So she was, you know, she had seen that. And I talked to her about that because I had just, you know, recently, John and you, I don't know, like you guys were like, Hey, check this out. Yeah, it was John. And so I watched it and I was like, Hey Ma, did you know, did you watch this? And she's like, yeah, I remember when that was on TV.

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Like I watched that when it came out and I was, you know, blown away by the performance. And I can see why, because it was a great performance. And you can see just, you know, his motions and the stage and the way he performed and everything. It was just, it was bigger than life because nobody else was doing that at the time. And so anyway, I just wanted to kind of go over the fact that my mom was a contemporary and, you know,

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She was always a big fan.

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And I will say, I'll close with this anecdote.

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When we went to Graceland in 2012, she's like, gosh, there's a lot of old people here.

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And I said, mom, I hate to break it to you, but the people that were fans of Elvis were around in the 50s.

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And it's 2012 right now.

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And she's like, oh, yeah.

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You know, I'd forgotten a couple of things.

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And one is, I just have two favorite quotes I want to share in there about Elvis. They're not by Elvis. And it's because we were talking about that point, that historical turning point where he comes out, does Hound Dog and everything else that he was doing at the time and people were blown away. And two of my favorite quotes about Elvis are, one is John Lennon famously, you can buy this on a t-shirt at Elvis.com. And it just says, before Elvis, there was nothing. Cause that's what Lennon said. Yeah. I mean, when they were talking about music, he was the big bang of rock and roll. Yes, he is the big bang of rock and roll. And I love this quote by Bob.

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And it was that he, and I don't know when this interview took place, but it was later in Bob's life a little bit. And he said hearing Elvis for the first time was like getting out of jail. You know? Yeah. That's a good thing to say. I also have one more recommendation before we move on here. And it's just because I know John and George agree with me that if you want to learn about Elvis, first of all, there are a lot of wonderful books to read, but watch this two-part documentary we've already mentioned a couple of times. It's on HBO Max, or at least it was. I think it's still- It's on Amazon now. You have to pay for it, though.

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just took it off last week and i know george watched it recently so can you

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remind me what the running time is pretty long it's three hours and 20 minutes i think

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all together it's like it's split in two parts it's like an hour and 45 an hour and 30 or something

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yeah okay but i think one of the better bio docs i've ever seen of a musical performer they

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really dig into what made all this tick and talk about it and talk to some pretty cool people along

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the way, but it's really well done. So if you do, if any of this, if you're like, Hey, I'd like to learn about that, I don't know if there's a better place to start than the searcher. Yeah. John, if I may go before you, just because we're talking about it, I don't have a lot of, a lot of stuff to talk about. This is one of them. I just watched it this week. I got it on Amazon prime video. It's three bucks for the first one to rent or buy. So I bought, and then I think a little more like maybe seven bucks for part two. And it's really good.

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It's sort of to tie it into my second item, which is the book Last Train to Memphis by Peter Goralnik. It's a 580-page book, part one book, just like the show, about Elvis. It's a really great book. So if you want to read something, I highly recommend checking this out. I picked up but have not yet read the second part, which is called Careless Love. But The Searchers, part one and two, is,

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It's very, I mean, obviously it's about the same thing. It's kind of a good soundtrack and visual to these books. So I recommend the both together like chocolate and peanut butter. Right on. You know, I don't recommend personally the Elvis movie. I didn't love it. Actually, I wanted to talk about that though. Okay, but I will say there's one other thing and that is that there's one scene in it I love that is so well done that it makes up for everything I didn't like about the movie.

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I mean, it's the scene where Elvis, where they kind of mix the blues influence and the gospel tent thing together. And he's a child and he's experiencing both of these things. And it's really well done. And it is a really good artistic way of saying, this is kind of what made Elvis, you know, I'm talking about where he wanders into the holy rollers. Yeah. And yeah. And I mean, that, that made an impression because that was so out of the book, but like a very visual representation, obviously romanticized, but, but nicely done.

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Totally romanticized, but somehow accurate in its way. And at least from what I feel like I understand about his makeup. And I think there was a thing in the movie, but like him and BB King hanging out on a balcony or something. Which I assume is a true story. I know a lot of Elvis, but I assume that's the true thing. I thought it was an interesting movie. I mean, it did, you know, there's so much Elvis to squeeze Elvis into however long it was. Obviously you're going to have to take liberties, but you know, I thought Austin, what's his name that played him did a great job.

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And I loved the whole, the finger bit, you know, where there, he was at the show and they're like, you move a finger, we're going to arrest you. And he got arrested and it was bad-ass because that is rock and roll right there. And I also have to add, I'm going to keep thinking of performances. I forgot, but one of my other favorite performances, if I can dream, which closes out the 68 comeback specials, I just love it to death. And that had its own story. I love that he ends it with the victorious, you know, just so good. And, but it just,

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a great performance that I've listened to a hundred times.

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But I'm stepping on your toes, John.

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You may have some things you want to mention, too.

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Yeah, let's go to John.

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Yeah, so I'm going to bring up a couple things.

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We've already brought up numerous times because it's that important.

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I can't emphasize how good of a documentary, not just because it's about Elvis, but the way it was done.

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The Searcher is amazing.

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It might be my favorite music documentary for a lot of reasons.

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One thing they do, I don't know if you guys noticed this.

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They don't rehash footage over and over while they're talking. Some documentaries you watch will rehash the same images. There is an unbelievable amount of footage that they got permission to use. Footage I've never seen, by the way. Me neither. And I believe Priscilla was involved, wasn't she? She was an executive producer, I think. Yeah. I mean, she had voiceover. Yeah. And to hear Tom Petty on there. That blew my mind. Because I was like, whoa, he's dead. Two.

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Yeah. So they, cause this, I think came out in 2018. Yeah. So that had to be right around when he died. So they must've had him in the studio, you know, before that, but I'm not a Bruce Springsteen fan, but it was cool to hear him talk about him because obviously his whole thing would be influenced from that type of music to hear all the musicians he played with, you know, especially at the end, you know, when he had the big band to hear them talking about how they were just, yeah, Vegas was cool at first.

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first. Then it really started to dry because we were stuck in a hotel for 31 straight days. Just all these really cool stories. But I think it sets the record straight, at least from where his background comes from. I think there's a lot of stuff, too. For instance, that's a documentary, and this is in the books, too, but where you learn that his drug habit was picked up in the Army. They used to give him speed when they stayed up all night. Guard dude. To watch, yeah.

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And then he ended up using more towards the end. And the end was really the last two years, I think. About that. Sure. Yeah. Because I think at 73, he was still, he was hitting it hard on stage. He was in good shape still. He'd suffered so much from, you know, the isolation. People think, oh, he's a rich dude. He'd get over it. No, he was really isolated for a lot of that time. But I can't emphasize that. We've mentioned the 68 comeback special a billion times. And there's a reason why. It's that good.

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But just to watch the leather suit portion of it. Yeah. That's one of the great rock and roll moments. It's badass. And I will say, trouble slash guitar man. When he opens up the big stage show with that, you know, with the bombastic Elvis in the background, and he's playing guitar, which he could play. Yeah, he could. Oh, yeah. It wasn't like he was just like playing a note. Like towards the end, he used to have the guitar on stage, and he was using it as a prop kind of, you know.

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All the crescendos, he was jacking the guitar around. It was kind of funny. Did he play a couple notes? But he plays on the 68 special. And it looks like a, and there's one scene, I don't know if you guys remember during Guitar Man, where he kind of just like kind of looks up and just starts kind of gyrating his head and he's playing and he's grooving a little, but it's not that much, just a little. Just, you know, I'm here, baby. I got in control for this. It's just so good. I drool over that Gibson that he's playing during the set down part. I don't even know what the hell that is. I mean, it looks like a,

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It's a full body to semi hollow body acoustic. It's so thick. I think ES339 or up thereabouts. I wonder where that guitar is. I wanted. I was thinking the same thing. Beautiful red color weighs about probably 98 pounds. Well, you know, I mean, solid wood. Part of my obsession when I was in Austin, Texas last month, I picked up a Gibson ES355 custom shop, partly because I wanted to use it to play all the songs.

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Wait, you actually literally picked it up? Or you mean you just picked it up? Oh, I bought it. I sent you a picture. That black. Yeah. You know, I mean, it's not the same thing, but it's the style of guitar for that type of music. You know, blues in general, country, stuff like that. They're all playing the 335s or the 355s or whatever. But, you know, since I've like kind of zoned in on that, now I see all these other things, like whatever that was he was playing, and I'm like, what is that?

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I'll take a closer look. I can picture it, but I don't want to comment until I look at it. It's thick like an acoustic, but it's a hollow body electric. Yeah. And it's a Gibson, which is a Gibson for sure. Absolutely. Okay. All right. I just got a couple more here. Yeah, go ahead. Again. Oh, you're good. By the way, you're referring to the red Gibson. No, I'm the red one. Actually, I feel like the red one was a fender based on the headstock. Cause it's got that like strat kind of headstock. So in the round,

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It might be black one thing. But the one I'm talking about is when they were sitting down

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all together. Oh, okay. You're talking about the round. Yeah. In the round. Yeah. In their point. Okay. I'm referring to the red one he used. Yeah. I think at the beginning. Stage show. Yeah. At the beginning. No, that was beautiful. But that wasn't a Gibson. You know what it is? It's like a big jazz guitar. You know what that is? I think that's the same one that Ted Nugent plays. Oh, like maybe a Grash or something. I'll look it up. Okay. Okay. So I can't emphasize

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the Aloha from Hawaii show for a number of reasons. One, you've got audio and visual, which is great. And you might say, well, okay, yeah, well, that's what a video is. Yeah, but not a whole show. There aren't many whole shows out there. Not them, no. You know, not like this. And I think this plays into how we mentioned he was doing double duty every day on these tours. That's how much music he put into about an hour. You know, he played about 20 songs in that thing. And it's just not, it's just wrapping them up.

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real quick, real rapid fire. It's nonstop. And it's just really good to see because, you know, the buildup takes forever. I mean, you're like, all right, geez, how many lays is Elvis going to get, you know, at the airport? My God, you know, it's like they're all walking through and everyone's, then they show the crowd running in and people just so excited. Well, yeah. And who, like, who comes in the helicopter like that? Right. How cool is that? Right. Like here he is, he's coming in the helicopter and everybody's like waiting for him. They're all there.

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You know, like the whole town is there. Yeah. So can we point out too that there's the famous saying, which is Elvis has left the building and people use it as a joke now. And it's on most of the live recordings from the seventies. And it's because people wouldn't leave. Yeah. Right. He might come back out and they'd be like, Elvis left people just go home. He's in the next city, by the way. And it's 3 a.m. And we want to go home. You know, that's a Gibson bird land. Ah, right. Really? With that headstock? Yeah. Interesting. Well, the

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The One in The Round is at Birdland. Oh, okay. Birdland, gotcha. I've heard of it. Yeah, I don't know about the other one. Okay. All right, so a couple more. I would suggest looking for The Suspicious Minds from Vegas live when it goes on for about six and a half minutes. He has some of his best gyrations on stage. Very Tom Jones-esque at one point. I've seen John on the DVD the way it is. But is this the one where they break it down and he walks over to the,

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Backup Singers. It scares the hell out of them. He gets real close and he kind of just shakes his head and walks away and he yells real loud and she freaks out and starts laughing. That's the way it is. It's Elvis the way it is and it's that. Yeah, that whole performance. That's a whole performance. No, it's not a whole performance. Pardon me. That is not a whole performance on that DVD. But the Vegas stuff is different than the Hawaii stuff because the Vegas is a little, like you were saying earlier, a little more rockish. And it's earlier too. It's earlier.

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That's 1970. That's 1970. Obviously, Hawaii was 73. Also, by the way, John, there were some really cool people in the audience on that show, and you could just see them in the DVD. Cary Grant was there, a bunch of other cool people. Yeah, they said it was just loaded with stars, and those weren't super big shows because it's in a casino at the time. Correct. Like the Aloha show is in this massive stadium. It's gigantic. And I will bring this up, even though he's being made fun of, but I have to admit, it's very funny. But Eddie Murphy's Elvis

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It's perfect. Now, he makes fun of him a little bit, but I believe Eddie Murphy was, at the time, a huge fan. He thought he was a badass. Let me elaborate and tell you that he was a massive fan to the point where there was a point in his life where he stopped and said, why do I own all this guy's stuff? And then he turned around and sold his Elvis collection because he felt so weird about that. So he was a huge Elvis fan.

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He said Elvis couldn't actually just had him sing his lines and they're like it's like George to say hey Elvis we gotta win this race these are gonna win this race and then that's good but the better line is Elvis would you like some lemonade I mean it's just so refreshing drink he praises him I you have to laugh about it a little bit too I think that's worth watching just for fun he also does James Brown also in that bit yeah you know and the James Brown bit he does is just

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He loved James Brown too. John, you raised a good point about, so one of the things that I kind of like about Elvis or some of the things that kind of not make fun of it, but just kind of embrace it. And by that, I mean, you know, so you just raised, you know, Eddie Murphy and his kind of take on Elvis. And of course, you know, we kick this whole podcast off with Spinal Tap.

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And there's a scene in that movie where they go to Graceland.

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I was waiting for this to come up.

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It's just sacrilegious now.

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Or it's just disrespectful talking.

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They're all trying to harmonize.

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Since my baby left me.

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Same key, I think.

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It's a shame.

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It's Baba Shabraga.

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And that's, you know, but you can tell they love Elvis, right?

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And even though it's, you know, this terrible thing, you know, Derek Smalls is, you know,

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watch your language.

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which is the king, you know. And so, you know, there's that reverence, but it's also like kind of comedic, right? And I think that that's another element of, you know, someone who's my age, like that's my Elvis knowledge, right? Like before I kind of dug deeper and really got into the other stuff, that was, you know, that and, you know, South Park and watching Cartman sing in the ghetto, which is another funny thing. I mean, he's proliferated throughout pop culture,

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Right. And those are the things that like, you know, the lovingly done kind of little nods to Elvis that are out there that if you pick it up, it's just it's kind of it's just funny and you can appreciate it. I think dying, though. I we're going to get into a weird place now where a lot of what we know is not really the kids. Like they have much, much less of it. Also, I'm not contradicting you in any way, but either George

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George or John, and I think it was George, well, either way, talked about the 70s tours, and there was a point where, since that was my first exposure in the 70s as a kid, where I thought it was this weird, not disco, but like weird 70s shit thing. It's kind of croonery. But it's not. If you go watch the way those shows are constructed, up to and included the glorious, you know, this is the way you closed every show. Yeah, the Batwing, yeah, right, the Batwing capes.

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It's what it really is, an expertly, artistically constructed show that, I mean, I didn't appreciate it. And then I got it one day and I was just like, oh, this is amazing. In The Searcher, Priscilla talks about how around that time he got into classical singers and opera singers and stuff and how he was amazed how they had this range and he strove to do that.

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So you know what the comparison is there and what she was talking about I believe was

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It's Now or Never which is basically Otolo Mio.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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That was a great movie.

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He could do that though.

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That was the thing.

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His voice was a trumpet.

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You know the performances I've mentioned and one of them was You've Lost That Love and Feeling which he does on The Prince for Another Planet.

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The bridge.

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Both of moving into the chorus.

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Both bridges.

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He hits these notes that just bring tears to my eyes.

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I'm not joking.

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So good.

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He doesn't do it in every performance, but he does it in the album. And there's lots of other things like that. The man could sing. I'm just now. Sorry. Go, John. Go ahead, George. It's fine. I'm just now starting to get into that appreciation of that period. You know, for me, a lot of what I love about Elvis is the really fast music where he's just like, he's rocking out, you know, at like 150 BPM or whatever.

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and he's just kicking ass and taking names and

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it's not until you get into the like the later stuff where you're like

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oh man that's not true his early stuff had he had plenty of great ballads

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but uh the later stuff was probably the stuff that i kind of was like cringy about when i was a kid

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you know so you get it oh but now i'm like now i'm listening to it i'm going all right i'm gonna

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I have to check this out a little more. Elvis is a fan and a great deliverer of what is known as the big song. And the big song would be You've Lost That Love and Feeling. I mean, these type of songs. Believe It or Not, Dreaming the Impossible Dream. We talked about briefly the American Trilogy. American Trilogy would be one of the big ones. And Elvis loves songs like that. He loves songs that hit this emotional build. And at the end, you hit them with the high C. You know what I mean?

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He closed all his shows later in his career with Can't Help Falling In Love With You. And that note that he hits at the end of that? Yes, it's unreal. If you want to be moved, really, in my opinion, a song from him that just goes right to your core is Are You Lonesome Tonight, which is a song that's from the 20s, and it's been covered by a gazillion people. But the point I was going to make, George, when we kind of bounce into each other is that his vocals,

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Benefitted from the fact that he was a gospel singer first. And I think that benefited him because he wasn't a rock singer first. He never blew his voice that direction. And so when you hear songs like Are You Lonesome Tonight? And so now he's got all this stuff. He's molded into it. The country, the rock, the rockabilly, you know, which was when he kind of came up with that. He's one of those early guys in that, too. I'm going to pitch this blues and pull it all together. And then it's him.

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Now it's him with all those influences. He did his voice right, to be honest with you. I'm going to show you a version of that performance, John, and a performance of that specific one. And it's from a record called Elvis in Person. I mentioned it previously. It's from his 1969 tour. He does Are You On Some Tonight? And he doesn't riff or joke about it because he used to get to that talking thing in the middle towards the end of his days and he would just riff. But he does the song as it's done and written and stuff.

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And he just sounds so great on this record. So anyway, in person, it's live in 1969. And George, if you really are embracing that period, I really want you to get Prince for Another Planet. Oh, I'm, you already convinced me with your last discussion of it. So yes, on it. It has that 150 beat per minute stuff. It's got the song called, um, Pokes Aledani, which is really great. It's, it opens with, um, that's all right, mama. It's got a fantastic version of Suspicious Minds on it. I mean, it's a rock and show with about,

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four of those big songs I mentioned peppered in. It's just really something. Yeah, that's all right from the 68 comeback special. I think that was, I think that opened it or no, sorry, not it opened the round and you know, I know actually it was in the, in the searcher. They were talking about how Elvis was very skeptical about doing this. And it like at the last minute tried to back out. He was like blanking. He's I can't remember the songs. I can't remember what I was going to say. And the producer is like, his friend said, you have to go out there.

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And so when you see him start, that's all right. You can tell he's sitting there and he's getting situated and he looks nervous. But then as soon as he starts, it's like he hits the zone. Yeah, he just goes into a mood. And he's kind of smirking and laughing and he's like, I got this. That's what you think is going through his head. He's on good. And it killed. His original band. Yeah, DJ and Scotty.

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Yeah, right.

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So I think that made a big...

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Because we're all talking about 68 Comeback, we're talking about the Renovine.

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Look at this wonderful thing that was released in vinyl.

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This is the King in the Ring, and it's all of the outtakes from that session.

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It's everything.

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It's not just the outtakes, it's every performance that they did in that...

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Yeah, because it's two different performances, right?

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I think they did two.

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Yes, and so there's some stopping and starting here and some other things.

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But you get these really magic versions in the middle of all of this. Let me find the one that I want you to know about. Lottie Lottie Miss Claudia is great on here. Let's see. And then there's one. Let me just find it real quick. Maybe what you want me to do is really good. And where's that trying to get to you here? I'll find it in a minute. But in any case, this is everything. And it's just great. And it's a nice little package. That looks amazing. With photos from it. It was released not that long ago.

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I think you have to get it from his website. Fire that off to us later. Jay, send that to us so we can. I will do so. Because I would love to have that because that's my, you know, you guys mentioned That's Alright. And I know I mentioned it earlier too. And I, T.R.I. told you this when we were in Baltimore a couple weeks ago. The best part of that whole song is hearing Scotty Moore do the guitar solo. It's just perfect. It's not some like crazy technical guitar solo, but it's pretty well done.

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He was a pretty good guitarist. I think people don't realize how good he was. And it's just

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precise. And it gives it that bluesy, yet has a little bit of rockabilly to it.

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And it's just perfect. And a slightly fuzzy tone, by the way. I mean, he was pushing his hand pretty hard.

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And if people don't know anything else about that, they had no drums.

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They used a guitar case for the drums.

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Like, TR, we talked about the story where they were pounding so hard on the stage in the first set that they had to bring out, what did you say they were, TR? The pads or something so that when they would pound their feet on the stage, you couldn't hear it anymore. It muffled it. Right, they put like little rubber pads into their feet to reduce the sound of them, you know, stomping their feet on the stage. So the second set is the better set performance-wise because all the jitters are out, but the first set is on fire because they're so

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So amped up. I mean, all of them are. And they're back and forth. Right, because they're discovering like, oh man, this is fun and this is exciting. And you know, here's people like getting into it. And yeah. And there's so much cool banter between him and the band. Even when they're playing songs, they're bantering with each other. Yeah. This one's called Amita Strap. I found the performance I was trying to think of. And so it's after trying to get to you, which is my favorite, my favorite performance on this particular, that, the whole, the special. But then he does One Night, a song called

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one, one night with you, and he does some blues screaming on it, does another song, come bucks, and does the same song again. And it's interesting because I don't know the makeup of all those performances except to say that this is recorded at NBC Studios Burbank, the show, 6 and 8 p.m. shows. I don't know if there were other shows or if they just did two shows. I thought there were two types of performances. There was the in the round with just them, but then he does one where he's in the round, but he's in the round.

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He has the band that's back behind him. He's got a full-on band. And he's standing up. Yeah, he's standing up. Yeah, he's standing up and he has this guitar and there's nobody else in the round with him. I honestly just discovered the 6, 8 p.m. thing. So I'm going to go and do some studying and figure out how many performances they did to piece that together. Or was it just that they did a 6 and an 8 p.m.? And he talks about how we got to get everybody out or there's another show coming in. I thought the couple days of it, I thought. Because the image

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you're showing Jay is the one where it's just them but then he has another one where he's standing and right behind him you can't you can barely see them because the lights don't go that far back but you can see the full band sitting there yeah he's got all kinds of horns and everything and I'm like are they piping this in and then the lights kind of shift you're like whoa there's actually a full band there so look at that hair though I mean it's cool when it starts with a sideburns yeah the guy and I will say another

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to watch this in the round. All the guys are looking at him like, man, I wish I was Elvis. Oh, sure. But all the girls, anytime he moves around that stage, they all start creeping just a little closer to him. And there's one point where he gets up and he sits on the front of the stage. So he actually, they had the one camera and the camera, he's in the back. So they're all sitting in a circle on a square stage, but he sits actually in the back. So the camera, that one angle,

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And then they have one that gets where you can see him closer. But he gets up and comes to in front of the camera and he sits down. And these two girl women, young women are looking at him. And this one girl keeps getting a little closer and her hands getting just a little closer to him. And you could see him. He's just like, keep saying I know this. You're almost done here. You got another minute and you're out of here. But you hit a big thing there. And I mean, people, they used to just bring girls to his house. You know what I mean? And famous girls, by the way, you know what I mean? Sybil Shepard. And there were like all these people. If you weren't wanted to meet Elvis, you would have to go to the house.

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you were going to meet elison and if you wanted to sleep with you you were going to sleep with him and i don't think in a forceful manner but i you know he famously was just he could call anybody he wanted and just be like would you like to come to my house sometime and they would come you know and i mean like famous which by the way two more performances i want to mention because i don't want to just gloss over elison's entire movie career so if you're going to watch his movies or any of them and i've seen most of them but not all i would watch king creole which

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is actually pretty good. And believe it or not,

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Viva Las Vegas is fun. It's goofy,

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but Anne Margaret is probably the best co-star he ever had.

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She's super sexy, first off.

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Mr. Parker did not like that.

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No, he did not.

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They do some great dances together and stuff,

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and there's some great, and it's got some Viva Las Vegas.

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She's great.

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And it's got some car racing in it and stuff.

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Of course.

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But I would start with those two if you wanted to try,

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you know, an Elvis movie out.

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And don't, you know, come in not expecting too much.

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Some of what you're getting to do is just watch Aldous Muburn. You know what I mean? Don't start with Blue White. Don't start with Blue White, indeed. Rock-a-hula, rock-a-hula. Yeah, and kick the sand songs. Yeah, I mean, yeah. Literally a song about kicking sand. That's what we're going to do tonight. It's going to be super fun. It's called Kicking the Sand. It's the weirdest. And it should be noted, while there are actually some decent songs that came from the movies, there's a handful of them. A handful. He absolutely did not like performing that music.

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It's just so when he cut his first record after all that it was a gospel record. Yeah. What are you doing? This is what I want to do. How many times I have to tell you guys? As much as of Las Vegas is one of his signature performances. I don't think he did it. Not much. I am unaware of a live show Vegas where he did it or anything like that. I don't think he did it. You know I think he did the movie and then that was like the last time he played attention to that song. I mean I have when we get

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are the songs that we like.

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I have a couple in there that are from the movies.

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They're good songs.

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Oh, sure.

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Yeah.

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But not all of them.

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Most of those soundtracks kind of blew.

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They weren't great because they were just writing these campy songs for him to sing.

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They weren't looking for songs for a rock singer.

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They were just looking for songs for the narrative that were stupid.

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No, it's a sad period.

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I mean, it's a little weird.

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But I still, because I love him so much, I get enjoyment from watching those movies.

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But it's not a good place to start. Probably one of the other things you have to understand if you want to build your Elvis collection is he was kind of like the Beatles and then he had a few records, but he put out a boatload of singles. And so you're almost better off to just go get yourself the 50 number one hits. Elvis number one or whatever. Yeah, to start with something like that. 50 greatest hits now. It says 50 greatest hits expanded to 60. I think there's a 60 now.

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By the way, one of my favorite titles of a record ever is, and this is the title of a record, and it's 50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong. It's a collection of hits, but I mean, there are a lot of things you want to get, and a lot of it is what we've named, and I still say, get the first one. It's just called Elvis Presley. Start there, but you're going to have to build with singles, too, because that's how things like Suspicious Minds came out as a single, and In the Ghetto came out as a single, and then a lot of the early hits were singles, obviously.

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Yeah, start with the one where he was influenced by the Clash, London Calling. I like that too. I thought that was good. All right. So do we want to talk about those songs then? I do, but I'll say one more thing, and it's that those guys that are sitting there doing the in the round with him, those are the guys that started with Elvis. They're on all his records. Elvis got people and kept people. And so he really played with the same

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Largely the same band throughout his life. So the 70s has some names that you might recognize, like that Donald Duck Dunn, I believe, is on there. And a few other people like that. Without the beard and the cob pipe and all that stuff he was doing. Yeah, and so there's only a few where those guys were excluded. But that's what was known as the Memphis Mafia. Those were the guys that he played with, that he hung with. You know, they were his guys. And they were all a little psychophantic, to be honest with you. But hey, what are you going to do? But yes, by all means, let's talk about some songs.

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So that's where we're going, right, George? Yeah, I mean, do we want to do a countdown kind of thing? I've got a top 10 that I ordered and I could count it down if people want to do it, but if we want to be a little more loosey-goosey, that's fine, too. I mean, I don't care. Do we want to go round robin or just do we want to give each? Yeah, I mean, I don't really. I put a handful and there's like a whole bunch of songs tied for six, I think. Okay, whatever you guys want to do.

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with TR, we'll put Jay at the end because he's the man. Okay. Yeah. So, so, you know, when it comes to Elvis songs, like there's not a lot where it's just, I've got them on, you know, heavy rotation in my music collection, but I will say that these songs are some of my favorites and they are all shook up jailhouse rock return to sender in the ghetto.

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Little Sister. And then I put Trying to Get to You from the 68 comeback special. But the more I listened to that comeback special, I was like, dude, everything on this, it's pretty much tied for, you know, whatever that last one is. That is probably my favorite. Well, I've already said that's my favorite track on that record, though. And I agree with you. It's incredible. Like the performance of that, you know, if you listen to the actual song, like however it was recorded, it's nowhere near what he does on that performance.

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It's on his first record, and he sings it in a much higher voice, but it's got none of that rasp on him. But that's the first album. Yeah, and that, you know, I'm telling you, like I said, it was a revelation to watch that 68 comeback special for me. I came away, like, with a whole new appreciation for him because it's so genuine, and it's so much like you can see that this guy is savoring it so much that because he was away from it for so long. And, you know, it's like,

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It's just this realization like this guy still got it. If there were any doubts, they were dispelled and instantly the minute that he starts to perform. And so anyway, that's about it for me. I don't really have a whole lot that I totally love in terms of his songs, but those were the ones that I think of the most as my favorites. I'll go next because I feel like John is more.

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Let John and Jay do the heavy badassery. Not that TR is not a badass. TR is one of the most badass people I know. But I am on the lesser end of this spectrum, so to speak. However, I did come up with 10 songs and I did order them. And I'll just go through them in that order. And I have a couple of notes. First being, my list sucks compared to people that actually know Elvis.

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There's a lot of, you know, oh, really? That one, you know, everybody knows that one. But there's a couple of, okay, there's at least one. There's one song that probably not a lot of people know. But let's just go ahead and do it. So number 10 is one that I've been digging on lately, and that's Marie's The Name, His Latest Flame. Kind of dig that. Hound Dog, just because it's so old and raunchy and bluesy.

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You know, fever. I don't know. The first time I heard it, I was, eh. Then I listened to it again, and I was like, it's kind of groovy. Yeah. I felt like that. When I saw him do that on the Aloha special, I was like, this is a really good song for him. Yeah. I just, you know, everybody thinks of the original version of that with a female singer, but when he did it, it was like, yeah, of course. Why, you know, why not? Right. This makes sense.

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for him because it's sultry right and yeah sultry that's good you know kind of sexual thing and so yeah absolutely that's yeah i was that blew me away because i it was kind of unexpected and he did such justice to that song that it was like yeah of course all right my number seven then no surprise or not you know not a what do you call it a deep track jailhouse rock you know being the child of the

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80s, you know, Motley Crue did a version of this that I knew probably before I knew this one very well. Number six, Don't Be Cruel, which I believe was also covered by Nick Lowe in the 80s. I wouldn't be surprised. There's a real cool cheap trick version of that, believe it or not. Oh, wait. I like that version. Maybe it is cheap trick. Maybe Nick Lowe is something different. Yeah, Cruel to be Kind. Cruel to be Kind. Sorry, yeah. It is cheap trick. It is cheap trick. I'm sorry. I always loved that cheap trick version. It was great. Yeah, it was.

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All right, number five. If you know this one, I'll be impressed. Heart of Rome. I'll be honest, it's pretty holistic. I don't know Heart of Rome. Digging deep. Yeah, this is one of the songs. It might have been one of his movie ones. It's almost got to be. Yeah, pretty sure it's from a soundtrack, but this was one of the songs that that George Ziotti singer that I knew that he did, and he did it so well. This was the song that made me go, wow, I need to listen to Elvis.

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And because it was, it had that like big sound to the heart of root. I can't even do it, but you know, so cool. So if you haven't heard that, you should check it out. Number four is the song that I recently butchered heartbreak hotel. Number three should probably be no surprise to y'all. And that is trouble because I heard this and I was like, Whoa, Elvis is kind of evil. This is probably the song that hooked Dan's egg.

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That was a great song. And I was like, wow. So this is the song that probably inspired George Thurgood to do Bad to the Bone. But this was not the original song, was it? No. I don't even know what the original song was. But this harkens back to at least, well, he did this in like the 70s, I think. Like the 50s when Willie Dixon wrote, I'm,

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The Hoochie Coochie Man and was recorded by, I believe, Muddy Waters. And it's that same... Well, that's on the comeback, too. Yes. No, actually, he did it twice on Comeback. Yeah. So... Really? So many good songs he was involved with. Anyway. Yeah, I Ain't Superstitious. Do you know Megadeth? Yeah, he wrote that.

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saying that too, didn't he? Was that the Faces or Jeff Beck? I can't remember who did that. Stevie Wonder did it. Because Jay, I say that because that period is, you know, Jeff Beck and Rod Stewart and all that Faces, all that stuff was together. That's the first, that's true. That's all truth. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. All right. My number two song, George. Yes. Yeah. My number two song, Unchained Melody. Because damn, I mean, you know, he just goes there.

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Is it in particular that video? That's the only version I really know is the Rapid City one. I know it's, you said it was on Blue Mood or what? It's his last record post-death. It's the first song in the album. And that honestly might be the same performance. I've never, no, it's not the same performance. But in any case, you would like the Moody Blue version for sure. And it's, I mean, it's just, they're equals. Let's put it that way. And my number one is the one that's been eating a hole in my head for the last few days.

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Any guesses at this point? Based on what I have noted? Any guesses? So far, everything that y'all have said, we talked about this prior to starting the episode, and everything that was mentioned was wrong. Has the song been mentioned since we've been talking? It has. It has been casually dropped. John is smiling. I wonder if John knows. Well, John said suspicious minds, which was a good... No, TR did. What's the source of the material?

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I can't tell you that not because I don't want to because you know because I've heard it in a couple different places I'm not sure where it originated I'll just say are you a lonesome tonight nope okay is it a rocker yes shoot but not an old school rocker oh interesting yeah I don't know hunk a hunk a burning love I was just gonna say is it burning love it is burning love that song is such an earworm and it's

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You know, it's that chorus, man. And it's just like E-D-C. It's the simplest progression ever. And yet it rocks so hard. Yeah. And to watch him grind in his gears, you know, as he does that live on stage is a lot of fun, too. I'm pretty sure that's on the way it is. Aloha. Yeah, it's on Aloha. It is. The second song on Aloha. Yeah. And based on The Searcher, he wasn't a big fan of the song. No. Because I guess it was a little too risque for Elvis or something.

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A little too rock for his what he wanted to do at that time he said I'm having a hard time singing this I'm thinking are you nuts oh catchy I can't get out of my head yeah I thought that's where you were going when you said casually dropped I was like thinking it might be burning love should have said it man you would have won the prize yeah yeah I think it was casually dropped when I was talking about wearing red Hawaiian shirts drunk off my ass with a towel around my neck doing karate kicks and singing it in my dorm room with

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Six-Six-

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It's got a little bit of grit to it, which is kind of nice. Which is not something during that 68 special during the big stage show. He wasn't doing a lot of that in that. There was a lot of horns, a lot of gospel. Yeah. A lot of people featuring his vocals. He had a lot of people dancing, but that one's just him, you know, on the stage and it's gritty. It's kind of, plus it's a, if you're looking for trouble, you know, that's so bad. Is it me or does he have the greatest opening lyric lines on the

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He just delivers them. They're perfect.

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So we'll go next. I think

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TR mentioned this. Don't Be Cruel.

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I love that song. I did. I love the doo-wop

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to it. I think it's great.

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Are You Lonesome Tonight is just

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that. And it's an old song.

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Like I said, it's a song from the 20s. It's been done a gazillion

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times, but his version, there's just something about how

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he hits it. It's almost like you can

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see who he's singing to.

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She's not going to be lonesome

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anymore after this song.

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And then a couple of the

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The Movies. Come on. Viva Las Vegas is a cool tune. It just is. I mean, right again, first lyric, you're just like, yeah, I want to go to Vegas. It's a scamble. Did ZZ Top cover that? They did. I bet that's pretty badass. ZZ Top actually does a really good version of Jailhouse Rock, too. Yeah. Isn't it funny how all these 70s musicians covered Elvis? Bossa Nova Baby. I love that song. I don't know what it is.

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about it. Maybe it's because the video where he's singing during the movie, and there's like this, I don't know what it is there. It's not a keyboard. I don't know what kind of organ it is or whatever. And he plays the part, but I don't even know if he can play it. I guess he can because he played piano, but it just looks so smooth the way he does it. You know, that part goes, you know, it just looks cool because he's singing over here. Then he moves to the right to play it. Jay, I think you mentioned CC Rider. That's a great opening track from his 70s live shows.

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It's the alternate between that and It's Alright. And bandages are the same under track. I mean, more or less. A couple of key changes aren't always, or the chord changes aren't always in the exact same spot. But you could grab any Elvis live performance from that period, and you don't know which one of those two it is until he starts singing. Yeah, it's cool. So these are my big five. That's Alright. It's the first song he recorded, and I've always liked that song. It's a bluesier song, which he didn't

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do as much blues, even though he liked it. But I love that song. TR, you mentioned Little Sister. I think that's one of his best songs he's ever written. It's a total rockabilly song. And the beauty of that song is the first time I ever heard it actually was not him. It was Robert Plant and Rockpile on MTV. We were doing the concerts for the people of Kampuchea, I guess, in 1979. I probably butchered that name.

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Yeah, I remember that. Yeah. Dave Edmonds and Nick Lowe, you know, and they were a rockabilly band. And I heard that. Oh, my God. What is this? This Robert Blaine lights up. Oh, my God. You know, and then I realized it was Elvis. I was like, oh, now I got to hear his version. Of course, his version blows it out. And mind you, that was released in 61 during the movies period. So I don't know when he died. Must be one of those songs where he came in real quick to record in between. Yeah. Yeah.

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Quite a few actually. That were unrelated to movies. It just, and it kind of stands out in that period because everything was kind of the hokey movie, you know, theme soundtrack kind of stuff. Three more. Suspicious Minds. I mean, come on, seriously. That opening guitar and then just him building out, you know, a con in a trap, a con in a trap. It just, it's, can't get it out. And you're like, oh man, this is going to build up. And then it does. And then when you watch the live Vegas and he's gyrating it, he's got the,

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I'm going and everything. And you're like, this is badass. George, you mentioned burn in love. I've already discussed my past transgressions to burn in love. I wish I could have seen that. There's a picture of me somewhere. There's two pictures. There's me doing that fully extended with the karate kick. Then the next picture is me with my head in the closet passed out. And I think there's like a beer box on my head. And I think I actually posed for it, but I ended up staying there for a little bit because I was kind of comfortable.

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All right, and my last song is hands down my favorite song from Elvis. It has been covered by somebody, but it was techno-ized or electronicized, however you want to say it. That's a little less conversation. That is the coolest groovy beat to start. It's the song that you think when you're with it was actually done, you know, in Ocean's Eleven, they used it. But you just picture you're with your crew walking into a casino to walk on the main floor.

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These are old casinos now. If you've been to Janna, you live in California, and so I'm sure you've been to Reno. You've been to Vegas, obviously, but old casinos, you'd walk out onto the floor, you'd walk in, and then you'd walk down a few steps to the floor. But you always had that moment where you were standing up looking down onto the floor. The Reign Your Kingdom. Yeah. I'm going to win tonight, and an hour later, you're going home broke. Or you just saw Judas Priest. Yeah, exactly. Or that.

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That's not even a real thing

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First of all, there's no smoke, there's no lounge

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Anyway, I absolutely love that song

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I listen to it all the time

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And the version that was done by Junkie XL

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You know, where they add all the techno and the beats to it

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Which I think was used in the movie Ocean's Eleven

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I even like that version too, even though it's not as good

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But that's what I got

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I've said a lot of mine already

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But I'm only too happy to go back over them again and probably name a couple other ones. Blue Moon is one of the great rock songs of all time. It's not even a rock song, but it's just so soupy and weird. And there's this really great sense of experimentation in the song. It's on his first record. And they are using a sort of echo chambery type thing. And you can tell that at the end, Elvis is just playing with that and having fun with it and going, wow, this sounds so weird. And he just does all these wonderful things. So if you've never really listened to Blue Moon, you know, make sure you sit down.

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which is a ballad that came out in the mid-70s, pretty close to the end, and his voice was fully intact, and it's a mix between a blues song and an old-style Elvis song recorded in his house, literally probably sitting on his couch when he recorded it with the full band in different parts of the house, but it's a really fantastic performance. In the jungle room. Is that done in the jungle room? Yeah. Yeah. Having watched it recently, I think, George, we can trust George's. Yes, I think it was done in the jungle room.

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The One Thing I Can Confirm for Sure was that it was in the Jungle Room. Unchained Melody, as previously mentioned, I would take either the version from Moody Blue or the Rapid City or is that where it was? Yeah, Rapid City. Also from Moody Blue, which has a lot of quality stuff on it. He does a version of She Thinks I Still Care by George Jones. And George Jones is one of those guys you don't cover because his voice is so beautiful. And Elvis does one of the only covers I've ever heard of that song that I liked. Nobody mentioned Mystery Train yet.

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My Babe, which I can't recommend enough. It's one of Elvis' heaviest moments. I can't help falling in love with you, most definitely. Are You Lonesome Tonight? You guys are all right on about that. The truth is I could go on and on, but I'm going to hit you now.

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with what I already mentioned was my favorite record, and that is from Prince from Another Planet. And please believe me, I've listened to a lot of live Elvis shows, and I don't know one where his voice sounds this good across the whole thing. But you really need to check out the version of American Trilogy on that. One of my very favorite Elvis things. It's goofy. No, it's not goofy, but I mean, it could easily be kitschy, but it's not. He sells it so hard. And also, I get kind of sad when I listen to it because he gets this,

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where he says, hush, little baby, don't you cry? You know, your daddy's bound to die. And this was not that long before Elvis died. But then he says, but all my trials, Lord, will soon be over. And it's just, you can feel, you know, you can feel Elvis being Elvis at that moment. I also mentioned the performance on that of You've Lost That Love and Feeling, which is just knock out crazy good. And then strangely, my favorite versions of Suspicious Minds is also on that particular recording. So I would please check that out, whoever you might be.

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And then all of the number one hits from the 50s and stuff, I love them to death. And so I don't want to just do a broad sweep like that. But I think the best way I can summarize that is to say that as a musical guy, and you guys are the same way, throughout the course of my life, I've kind of gone backwards. Like when I got into metal, I was like, I would read these guys and they would say, well, this is my influence. So then you go back and buy all the Zeppelin records and stuff. So I've always kind of been going back in time.

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And then I would hear about the Dave Clark Five or whatever, so I'd go, okay, now I'm in the 60s. And at some point, I got to the 50s, and really the thing I care most about in the 50s is Elvis. And so when I hear any of those hits, I could hear him come through a car's radio, stereo would be the wrong word for it, you know, like an American graffiti, you know what I mean, just parked out by the lake and to hear Blue Moon coming over, I've already mentioned that, but so it's too hard for me to choose from those hits.

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But strangely, I would say one of my very favorites from that period, in the slightly post-50s rock and roll period, is It's Now or Never. I think it's a really wonderful song, and I love the way he sings it. So that's it. I could have been more comprehensive, I apologize, but you guys all hit some good ones too. I say again, I just think the guy's magic. There's so many points where his voice cracks at just the right time and stuff, that I'm more focused on performances of certain songs always than I am songs.

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But Elvis

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King of rock and roll, baby

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So is that Dio song about him?

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I don't think it is

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The King of rock and roll from

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My favorite Dio album, Sacred Heart

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I doubt it

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Yeah, I don't think it is, but

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I doubt it only because

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I mean, I'm kind of going over

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I think he's kind of classifying it as the same as that man on the Silver Mountain

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I think it's more of a concept

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But you know

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You know Dio was probably a huge Elvis fan

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Oh, sure

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Yeah, probably.

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I don't know.

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I've always wondered that.

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The lyrics are just kind of vague enough that I'm like, oh.

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But talking about that again, and we talked about this briefly before, but I love, and I've run into so many stories over the years by reading various musical biographies.

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And, you know, you get to, you know, read the Zeppelin biography, and there's that point where they all meet Elvis.

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And I just love how awestruck, and there's not one story where they're not like, I couldn't go talk to him.

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You know what I mean?

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or I did talk to him but I didn't know what the hell to say. I love that he occupies that place for so many of the guys we love. We love women too. But he was king. Absolutely. I'll say again too and I've said this a bunch of times but there's more depth to his career in art than the ubiquitous Elvis on a billboard would have you believe. And it almost extends until the last day of his life.

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I don't know. It's such a door worth opening. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, one of the things that I forgot to bring up when we were talking about some of the comedic stuff, and you just mentioned Led Zeppelin and Elvis, and I think one of the best comedic things that was ever done was Dread Zeppelin, if you guys remember that, which was like a Zeppelin band that was kind of reggae infused with a, that was like an Elvis guy,

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Tord Elvis was the guy and that it's just how did those guys meet and all right like how did that even happen right well it was a bunch of guys that got together and wanted to form a band and they couldn't agree on what they wanted to do and they were like that we're gonna just do it all he would you know John was talking about you know Charlie the towel guy or whatever and you know in Dred Zeppelin like he talks about that a lot you know hey Charlie you know bring me a towel over here you know actually did you

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By the way, is that really his name, John? Because he says his name. Yeah, because in the Aloha special, he introduces him. He brings me my scars. I'm sorry I can't remember it, too. I think it's Charlie something, right? I'll look it up. But it's funny. I'm glad you mentioned that because I've listened to those 70s live recordings so much and he announces the whole band and he always mentions that guy and I can't remember his name, but it may be Charlie something. Yeah, I think it is. But I love that, yeah, he's the one who brings me my scars. That's a wonderful,

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piece of memorabilia that boy to have been handed one of those scarves to one of those shows i was thinking about that during the towards the end of the 68 special where he's all sweaty because he's wearing that black leather and he reaches down and grabs a hanky or a tissue or whatever from the girl sitting on the side of the stage and he wipes and he hands it back to her and i'm like that better be on ebay yeah yeah it's so funny you mention that because it looks kind of gross when he hands it back to us he is

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I mean,

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Mania briefly too, but like the Madison Square Garden shows, a lot of shows are like this, but that I've heard, but it really is just women screaming from beginning to end in a lot of them, you know, I mean, they just cannot contain themselves. And I'm talking 74, even, you know, like they just are out of their minds, partially because he hadn't been through town in so many years, if ever. Yeah. Some of those Vegas shows, the women screaming were a little bit older. For sure. For sure. Yeah. And you know what? There's a funny thing about the Vegas shows too.

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And actually, you know, now that I think about it, George, that Rapid City performance too, and some others, he kept the house lights on through most of the show. The whole place was lit up. It wasn't just the stage. It was just like, it's just this lit up auditorium with all this playing. Yeah. You know, it's funny you should mention that because the Aloha special was like that. There was a lot of time where the audience was lit. I never noticed that. I thought that was kind of strange, you know, because you don't normally see that most of the time, but yet that was the case. And, you know, and the camera

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is kind of panning the crowd, you know, and you're seeing like some of the reactions of the people as they're watching this performance. And maybe that's why. Maybe it was those particularly videoed performances and they wanted to catch the reactions. So they kept the lights up. You know, I have multiple live performance where there's a point in the show where he asks them to turn the lights up so that he can see the audience. And then he sings. I need to look and see what the song is. But I think it is funny how time slips away, which, by the way, the man was, you know, really looking at the audience.

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If you look at some of those 70s setlists, there's a lot of regret in the setlist and a lot of funny how time slips away. And he was aware of, deeply aware of the passage of time and its effects on him and his relationship to the audience. It's funny, but there's a narrative that runs through some of these setlists. Even though there were songs written completely by different people, there were songs that appealed to him. And he was a nostalgic guy, you know, but also accepting of the future, you know, and... Or lack thereof.

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Indeed. Yeah. So as a late comer to the Elvis scene, I never realized until maybe when the movie came out a couple years ago, just how young Elvis was when he died. He was 42 years old. He was a baby. I'm sorry. He was a baby. He did so much in 20 odd years.

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Yeah. If you think like 20, 23,

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24 years, maybe.

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And he has lost years in there too.

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That's right.

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Exactly.

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And you consider 10 of those years was probably movie paramount.

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Yes.

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Just one.

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Well, 60 to 66, I think.

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Well, yeah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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That whole decade of the sixties almost.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Cause he only had, I think by the time he did a comeback, especially, I think he only

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had two movies left on his contract.

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Not mistaken.

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So this is one of the things I love about the guy is that we talked about on the other podcast recently. I don't know if we put it on the podcast because we were just talking, but this documentary that was recently out with Rick Rubin and Paul McCartney. And it was really fun to watch because Paul McCartney, you could see how much he loved music and picking apart music and what he paid attention to, which was everything. And so I have an admiration, well, not an admiration.

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I appreciate people, and Elvis was one of them, who just loved music. And so he was so prolific because he would just, I'm sure he'd get on the phone and be like, come over, I got a song on record. I know he did that. Imagine if he was now and he had just home studio, what he would do. He'd just record whenever he felt like it. Yeah, or if we could get one of those cash records out of him, you know what I mean? And so he was every inch of a musical guy who wanted to make music and perform music.

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and it meant everything to him and that's the other thing so it's funny because we've talked about the glitz and the glam and all these different things and this huge Marilyn Monroe style persona he had which is to say larger than life but at the center row was this guy that just really dug music and in particular dug rock music and helped create rock music and I love that I love that I think he's a guy that if you caught him on the right day any four of us could have sat down with him and if he had just mentioned the one or two or three right songs he would end up talking to you for two hours and going hey

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Have you heard this? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Right. Because yeah, he was a fan. He was, and he didn't limit himself to any genre. Like he would just, whatever it was, he would get into it and he would sing it. And, you know, George and John, you mentioned in Jay country, gospel, rock, rockabilly. There wasn't anything that was off limits or that he didn't want to try or get into because it all, I think it all kind of

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with him.

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Except for Bob Dylan's voice.

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I picked that up from the searchers.

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He liked Bob Dylan's lyrics.

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And he liked it when other people sang Bob Dylan,

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but he did not like Bob Dylan's voice,

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which if you have Elvis's voice,

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why would you?

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But,

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but no,

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but there is something lovable about the guy too.

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And I do like Bob Dylan.

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I'm more willing to admit that.

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Oh,

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I love Bob Dylan too.

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No,

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but there's something that charms me when I run into somebody,

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And they're like, yeah, I'll never understand it. I'm Bob Dylan. And you know what I mean? Like, I'm like, good for you, man. Stand back on your weird old school thing and just go with it. Go ahead and suck. I'm pretty sure if I spent the evening with Els, I would have been, I would have left going, I kind of get it. I don't think I like Bob Dylan so much anymore. You know what I mean? Because he was so charismatic and he was, you know, the other thing, he was like deeply American. You know what I mean? And I'm not,

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A conservative fellow myself, and I don't know where Elvis' politics ultimately would have laid, but he did visit Nixon in the White House, but he, there are guys that are so true blue about that, that I could be influenced somehow around them, you know what I mean? Like, they could somehow get me to join the Republican Party because I love them so much. Elvis, you know what I mean? Really? Really? Not really. All I mean to say is there's this charisma to it and this kind of like old school thing that kind of makes them. Charm.

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And it makes some of that not only forgivable, but somehow admirable.

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That would be my parents.

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I think it was this weird innocence about Elvis that I liked.

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Yeah.

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And so I was genuine, genuine kind of thing to him.

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Like, you know, there was nothing that, you know, there was never any airs.

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Like I always felt like he was just a genuine dude.

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Like, yeah, he wasn't.

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Well, but what I mean by that too, though, is that he's not a superficial guy.

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It wasn't a superficial guy.

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And I mentioned again, I already, I like Bob Dylan, but you know what? He's right. Bob Dylan doesn't have a nice voice. You know what I mean? And I like the weird, honest, weird old school performer-ness of that. I'm sure Frank Sinatra thought fucking Dylan had a bad voice too. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, and so I like, there's some, something about that that I can articulate that I find comforting or something. And I'm not, I am so open to any kind of musical expression, but that's good. I like that about us.

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I really wish Elvis would have covered one Bob Dylan song. No, I'm saying there's one in particular I wish he would have covered. Oh, I see. Yeah. And it was. Because Lay Lay Lay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that would have worked for him for sure. Because that's one of the few songs where Bob Dylan's voice doesn't necessarily grade at me too much. Yeah. But it's the perfect song for someone like Elvis to sing because of the country-esque or Americana-esque of it when you listen to it.

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Yeah, he's got that croon a little bit that he could do to that. It would have been probably outstanding. Oh, yeah, where that song was recorded, though, John relevant to what you're saying. Was it down in Memphis? Yeah. Yeah. Dylan went down to Memphis and made that that whole record was made down in Memphis and he wanted to go down and play with all those old studio musicians. And honestly, there's probably some Elvis guys on that. I mean, I believe there's slide on that, isn't there? I can't hear it in my head right now, but.

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I bet you there's some Elvis musicians on that record. He went down to what says, like, give me the best Memphis guys. And Elvis' guys were the best Memphis guys. Well, they were all part of the mafia. So, I mean, who else are you going to use? But yeah, 42, I agree with you. You know, it's funny because it's the same thing with the Beatles. You're like, they did that all nine years? Like, what the heck? I was going to say that. It's like the same thing with the Beatles. They're so massive. And you're like, wait, they didn't even make 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. You know who the guitar player was on Lay Lady Lay?

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Who? Charlie Daniels. Oh, wow. Wow. Dylan went down to Georgia. That's weird. Was Charlie a studio guy for a long time? Not sure, but yeah. There is pedal steel on it, like I thought. Yeah. I was joking at Barb the other day because we were watching one of the, I think it was The Voice, and they had a pedal steel on the stage there, and I was like, that's what I'm getting next. And I was like, I'm just kidding. That's a tough one to tackle. Yeah, no, I mean,

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I tuned my acoustic to open E and I've got a slide. I'm like, that's good enough. I got a buddy who went down that road and he's gotten good at it too. So it can be done. And he's no smarter than you or me, you know, but. So he's pretty dumb. Yeah. So, but you brought up his death. And so the whole point here too, is that like my feelings on Elvis's death are just, you know, I mean, I don't know. It is, it happened like it happened. I don't hold the Colonel responsible for his death, by the way. No, but you know, it's in a way, it's like the first

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Rockstar Death as well. However... Well, I don't know about that. I mean, Jimi Hendrix and, you know... Okay, no, you're right. Sorry. Yeah, you know, I totally got the timing wrong on that one. But what I meant was being the first of the early Rockstars to have a Rockstar Death. Buddy Holly. Yeah, yeah. Well, he had a plane crash, but still Rockstar Death. Okay, scratch that whole thing. What I mean to say is that while he died,

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a sort of rock star death.

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He didn't have alcohol in the system.

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He did not have narcotics in his system.

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What he had was a whole bunch of therapeutic level drugs.

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Like he didn't have too much of this or too much of that.

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He just had too much of everything in his system.

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Yeah.

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And so that's sad.

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It's not like he was going off the, I mean, obviously he was taken more than he needed to.

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Yeah.

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But it wasn't like he had a cocaine habit or a heroin habit.

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Yeah, right. Yeah. And I don't think he was a drinker in any great sense. I know he did have some drinks. You know, it's funny. All I think about, and you know where he died, I'm sure, and I often think of how bad I feel for the guy who found him. You know what I mean? Like, that was hard news to take to the first floor of the house. Right. I'm not joking. Yeah. This whole community built up around him, this Memphis mafia.

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And again, those guys were psychophantic. I've mentioned the way it is a lot, this DVD, and you should watch it, but it's also hard to watch in some places because as he's preparing for his show in Vegas, he's throwing some water. They're all sitting in the audience when there's no audience, but they're sitting in the chairs and he's throwing water at these guys. And it's really hard to watch them try to figure out if they should throw water back at him. And it's embarrassing, actually. And so there was this thing.

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around Elvis for it was like whatever the king wants you know what I mean and then so he was friendless in the end there and I think some of those guys were his true blue friends but you know what I mean like he he was trapped inside of that yeah that's terrible I don't know how you'd live like that I don't know how Bruce Dickinson lives like that I don't know how you can live going someplace and everybody tells you they love you and you're the greatest thing that ever happened yeah you got to find a way to ground yourself somehow and that just was yeah he just didn't have any way to do that I don't think he had that

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And so it's sad. When I think of Elvis' stuff, I think of that. And nobody's even going to touch this, but I never cared for any of the, did he really die? He died. He died there on the toilet that day. Elvis didn't go run away. But I love the fact that conspiracy theory came up because Elvis did seem like the kind of guy who would be like, I kind of just want to go work at a diner for the rest of my life. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that would have been the happy ending for him, was to get away from all of that and just be a person.

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But it would be impossible because he's such a unique looking man. But in any case, so I don't know. I mean, it's funny. I don't think on it a lot. I guess the other thing is it's just how Kennedy-esque the aftermath of it all was and the people flocking to his home and so on and so forth, you know. Well, I hope to flock there soon. I hope you do too. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be awesome, man. Good for you. I've been there and I've been to the Tupelo house too. I lived in Jackson for a while and I went down there to go to the Tupelo.

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the Tupelo house. Yeah, I'd like to go there as well. Is it far from Memphis? Is Tupelo far? Yeah, really. It's like what, like an hour and a half? Oh, is that all? I don't know. I didn't think it was that much. Okay, well, so it's doable. It's day tripable. Oh, yeah. From Memphis. Yeah. As I recall, but I can't recall exactly, but I think it's pretty close. Well, it makes sense that they would move from there to there. Yeah, it's not that far. I'm not going to do the search, but on the map, just looking at the map. You're probably right. Probably an hour or two.

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And there's all kinds of other things in Memphis too. Oh, hell yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. So, yeah. Which, by the way, the other thing is Sun Records, right? I mean. Yeah. Yeah. Sun Studios. Yeah. Is there like a museum kind of thing there for it or? Yeah. It's definitely worth doing. It's not that big. I mean, it's kind of tiny. Yeah. It's worth checking out. Excellent. Yeah. Totally got to do that. One final thought I kind of have or just something to share that I always liked and it was that unfortunately he passed away recently, but Dusty Hill was a massive,

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from ZZ Top and had a massive Elvis collection to the point where he used to bring it on tour with him and it all had to have its own dressing room because it was the thing that made him question maybe I'm overdoing this. Eddie Murphy was like dude dial it back. Yeah come on but if you watch the ZZ Top Sam Dunn documentary you get to see some of the he had some of the jumpsuits and stuff and he walks them through a little bit of his personal collection it's kind of cool to see. Wow so what happened to that stuff do you know? There was a

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The Dusty Hill Auction, whether or not they auctioned the ZZ Top stuff, I don't know. You mean the Elvis stuff? I mean, the Elvis stuff, I don't know. But the other, by the way, the other connection thing there is his mom used to work in a diner where Elvis used to come in Memphis. And so, and she always told him he was a really nice guy and everything and blah, blah, blah. And this was before he was like Elvis. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. I do remember the Dusty Hill Auction, but I don't recall if they put the ZZ or the Elvis stuff up or not. I know you like those Rockstar Auctions. Not anymore. No? Yeah.

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I've got what I need. I don't need any of that either. Was it the Filthy Phil? I have two regrets. Wouldn't mind hitting some on that. And also there were some swords in the D01. For that much money, it would be awfully cool to have one of D0's swords. But hey, what are you going to do? John, you got any final thoughts? I don't really like talking about the end that much because I hate how it's become so... It's got its own mythos now.

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That's all people remember. And it's a shame because really there was only a couple years at the end that were not great. Even his performances weren't great at the end. Even the bands that played with him would say, hey, this is getting kind of rough playing with him because he wasn't in any shape mentally or physically at that time. So it's a bummer. Ending is a sad ending to The Searcher the way it does end. And I hate going down that path sometimes.

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because, yeah, it happened, but it seems like that's all people remember now. And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Focus on the good stuff. There's so, but there's so much to his story and that all they focus on is, oh, remember when he was fat and in that jumpsuit? You know what? Even fat in that jumpsuit, he could do stuff that you can't even do and you actually work out. So just shut your pie hole. So, I mean, I like to remember all the good stuff.

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Obviously, you know, no life is perfect. That means that's an obvious part of life. I mean, that's a good message there. It's like you can be Elvis. You can be the king of the world. You can be the king of rock and roll. Life's still going to get you if you're not paying attention, you know. Tables turned. I will say there is something that I struggle with for a good part of my life. And for the longest time, I always felt there were two names you couldn't use in life. And I quickly found out that's not the case.

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One was Jesus. I was like, wow, why would anyone want to be named that? And then I realized all these Latin players that came up and their name was Jesus. I was like, oh, I guess it's different. I mean, it's spelled the same, but they pronounce it differently. Okay. That's kind of cool. And the only reason I feel it is because, well, you're going to stand out. Hey, here comes Jesus. Look at that guy. Who is he thinking is Jesus? Well, actually I am, you know? And I always thought that was kind of a strange thing to hear baseball players name that, but I always thought it was strange to see somebody named Elvis. I was like, is that name retired now?

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It's taken, yeah. You would think. There's a guy at my car dealer whose name is Elvis. He's one of the technicians there. He's been there forever. Lovable kind of guy, and his name is Elvis. You know, there's actually one you left off the list, though, too, John, and it's Adolf. You'll hear that sometimes, yeah. But I always just thought it was kind of strange to see some name. I have one other. I like that, John. That's a really good thought, though, because that name is essentially

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taken. We've hung the banner in the rafters. And that's true. You don't run into a lot. Elvis Costello. And Elvis Gerback. Those are the two that always. To be fair, Elvis Costello, that was he took it on. It's a nom de plume. And he took it on himself. That's interesting. But, you know, one of my other summation things, and this is truth, I'm not, I could say this with a lot of things, but if I had the chance, if they were like, you can go and you can experience one of these things, you can go do Zeppelin,

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or whatever, one of them, Elvis would always be at the top of my list. If they were like, you can go back and go to a concert and experience the kind of all of it as it happened, Elvis, hands down, that's where I'd start. That'd be my use of the musical time machine. And that says a lot, because I love a lot of music, but I think he's that important and that good. And somebody I would like to have seen in the flesh. Yeah. Yeah. T.R., you got any final thoughts?

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No, just that I guess overall I just, you know, my admiration and my awe of Elvis has grown over the years and continues to do so as I discover more and more about him and more and more about the music and the performances. And I think that, I think Jay and all of us, I think all of us have said it tonight, you know, there's so much to discover.

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And, you know, you can't overstate it enough. This guy was the blueprint of rock and roll. He was the, he set like the, you know, the foundation of rock and roll, not only musically, but performance wise from the spectacle of his shows that, that became pretty much Stanford.

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for every type of rock show. We've talked on this podcast many times about when we've talked about certain artists who, when they came out, nobody else was doing that. And it was such an amazing thing at the time. But over time, so many people have kind of co-opted that or taken that and kind of introduced it or basically integrated that into so many of the

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shows and everything that it's become

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kind of pedestrian now

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and unfortunately

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that's happened to Elvis because

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everybody took what he did

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and made it part of everything that happens

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now so when you see a show

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it's oh yeah that's what a show is

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but back then

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nobody had a concept of what a rock show

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was and he did that

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and so it's I find it

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unfortunate that

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for so many different aspects of this

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kind of thing throughout rock history, the people that started the stuff, oftentimes, you know, as time passes and if you weren't there and you didn't know the perspective of what it was to be at that time, seeing a show like that or seeing a performance of that kind, it's hard to have a perspective to understand how groundbreaking it was because now it's part of everything. And we just take it for granted because that's the way everything is.

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So those are some of the things that I feel like are kind of a shame when, you know, in terms of people getting their due and a deeper understanding of like how profound his contribution to rock and roll was. I think that gets lost on people because it's so ubiquitous now in everybody's shows and the way they perform and everything. It's not, you know, directly stolen, but it's like there's plenty of what he did.

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that is out there that now makes it seem if you went back and watched one of his shows it would seem pedestrian because now it's it's everywhere and that's what everybody does and so that's here's what's sad about that and i apologize no it's okay that's partially our own jaded manner and our own constant picking up of new information and it's really the whole reason and i really one thing i would really inspire people to do is go find that milton burl

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Pound Dog Thing. Fill your whole TV screen up with it or your whole computer screen. Try to imagine that you've never seen anything like this, which is hard, but it's not that hard. And really tune in to how that audience reacts and how he reacts back to them and how they all kind of laugh that they've discovered this new thing. And you will kind of understand that before that didn't exist. Right. And it's hard to do, but you can do it. You can do it. You can totally go back and understand what it must have been like to see the first train.

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go through Kansas, you know what I mean? And then to appreciate the sheer amount of creativity and strange inspiration that must have been run into this guy's veins. Because he created something that didn't exist before. And it was just the way he moved. It's why I said earlier, he was touched by the hand. Because you almost have to find that. You're not going to make that up or create that or write that down. That's just the way the guy moved. And so he was special.

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You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That brought a tear to my eye. I don't know if you have more. If you do, I got more tears. But that was. I apologize. I didn't mean to say. No, no, no, it's fine. It's relevant. But damn, dude. Sklovis. You have any more to say? Yeah. I know. It's I guess if I've brought a tear to your eye, that's as much as I can do. I think I was going to I was going to do a slow clap and I was going to say thank you. Thank you very much.

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Let's do that. TR, that was magnificent. We can't hear the clap to the microphone. George's high-class mic somehow keeps out the useless. Yeah, see, he's got too good of a mic. Yeah, any kind of claps or snaps. That's funny, because we talked about this on a previous episode. It picks up on my end. The microphone picks it up. I don't know why you don't hear it. We don't hear it. No. The hand claps in the forest.

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All right, do we have John's last thoughts? I already gave him. Yeah, thank you. Thanks for having me, guys, because this was super fun to talk about Elvis. Like, I literally, it's the longest conversation I've had with somebody outside of myself about Elvis. Do you sit around and talk to yourself? Jay, what do you talk? I hear you mumbling over there. What are you doing? Oh, I'm just talking about Elvis. I'm the only one that appreciates this stuff. Well, no, you know, there are times when I'm like, hey, that reminds me of

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this and this and this and that other song and then I make up a little joke and I'm like nobody's going to laugh at that and they wouldn't have the point of reference anyway so well this is your safe place yeah safe place come join us yeah I'm sure we'll find a reason to bring you back again I'd love that and perhaps some of our other brothers in arms indeed of course but probably you all right well this is the longest we've done on one topic

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And I know TR was skeptical about getting it all in, but he did wonderful. I think we all did wonderful. I think this was a great episode. I enjoyed it immensely. And I hope everybody that's listening enjoys it too. And go and listen to some Elvis. Take some of the ones we listed and give it a whack if you don't really know. Do it. Yeah. Go a little deep. Yeah. Go into some deep tracks. Yeah. If you give it a chance, I think you'll be happy.

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You'd be the richer for it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Absolutely. All right. Thanks, guys. Until next time, we'll see you. Right on. Bye. Awesome.

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