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There's a podcast that's sure all that rocks hard is gold. And they're climbing the stairway to 11. When they get to there they know the record stores are all closed. But online they can get what they came for.

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And they're streaming the Stairway to 11.

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Hello, and welcome to Stairway to 11. My name is George.

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This is John.

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I'm TR.

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And this is Jay.

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All right, so we're going to do a quick already lane change.

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We'll crash beforehand.

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Wait, hold on. Is everybody okay? I had my Z-Belt on. Yeah. All right. Damn it, I spilled my beer. Yeah, there you go. Root beer, officer. Root beer. Yeah, exactly. So I made some suggestions for tonight's episode, and I asked George if he wanted me to emcee it, and he said, go for it. So I'm going to emcee a little bit tonight. Give him a break. Let him sit in the other chair. So cozy.

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It is, isn't it? We've got a few news items. We don't do news items on here, but there's a few things that happened in this past week that I thought were really newsworthy. And then it, it, George said, Oh, well, what about this? Damn it. Now we've got four news items. Then TR is like, well, I got one. Damn it. Then I thought of another one. So we got six news items and we're not going to go into too much, but I thought these were all kind of important things. And then there's one where George and I will take like a 35 minute break.

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and catch a smoke and a beer somewhere. We don't smoke, but it's just funny to say that. All right. Smoked beer. Smoked beer. Oh. Now we're talking. Oh, yeah. All right. So the first one for all of us, actually, even though TR is not part of the Metalheads podcast, he's still a Metalheads podcast. Butler. Yeah, I am the Metalheads butler. He is the butler. So he's still part of our world over there.

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things for metalheads happened. Iron Maiden is going to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Finally. So I'm not going to say much because if you've listened on any other podcasts, you know how I feel about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Why it bothers me, I don't know. I think it's because it's validation, not only for the bands, but for you as a fan. Yeah. I think that's what it boils down to. But they're finally going in and they're going in the right way. They're not getting in the back door like how they screwed Judas Priest.

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when they got in.

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Oh, that Lifetime Achievement Award.

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Yeah, like, yeah.

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It was an influence or whatever.

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It's BS.

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Yeah.

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They're getting in the right way.

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And I'm glad they are because half of the people getting, I think, are fine.

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The other half, I'm like, whatever.

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Good for them.

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Rock and Roll Hall of Fame could still go pound sand.

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And I'm glad Maiden's not going to be there because they're actually going to be on tour.

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My favorite part of this story.

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My favorite part of this story.

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Well, you know, when I saw this online, the people saying that they weren't going to be there were slanting it like Iron Maiden was like, screw you guys, we're not going to this. And it's just like, nah, we're on tour. We can't make it. They already booked a tour. They'll be playing to their millions of fans in Australia. But the beauty of it, Jay, and I think what you were getting at was is they're not canceling their shows for this. The fans come first, which is exactly why they should be inducted, because of their influence and the fan out.

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that they've done and the millions of records sold. So I'm going to say good for them. I love that they're not going to be there. It's awesome. You know what I've got? I will get well I'll just say I love that they're not going to be there and I don't really have any feelings that go left or right or center of what you just said so I'll leave it to that. Accepting that I am wondering now about the release date of the doc. Have we heard that yet?

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Oh, May 7th, I think. I'm seeing it in the theater. It's going to have a little theater run. Yeah, it's only in theaters for like a day or two, but if you look, you can find it. I think Steve Harris quantified it, however you want to say. It's a documentary about them, but they didn't produce it. So he wanted to make sure people knew that.

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I actually I'll have one little addendum and it's just that one of the things I love about them not being there is well two things one is I think it's cool that they're just like hey thanks we appreciate it you know but we're not going to change our lives to go there and the other thing is just that they are still this consistently working band and they're like we're working yeah you know and I just love that and that's and it's also proof of why they should have been in long ago right yeah well I would be willing to bet

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I don't remember everybody on that list that got in, but I guarantee you nobody is playing to more people right now than they are. I don't know about that. Oasis might be. Possibly, yeah. Though they tend to just tour every, you know, they're kind of like, I think it's whenever they want a million bucks, they go. And Phil Collins would have been. Yeah. Maybe not. Had his help been better. Yeah, as Genesis he would have. Or even as a solo artist.

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I mean,

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he wouldn't have been doing stadiums though.

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I don't think he'd be doing arenas,

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but probably not.

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Yeah.

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But he's playing to 50,000 at a time.

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So there's 18 inductees,

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so I'm not going to read them all,

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but they put the most notables here as Billy Idol.

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By the way,

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he's still working hard.

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So good for him.

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Yeah,

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he is.

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Yeah.

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He's still good too.

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Phil Collins,

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Joy Division doesn't really have an option to work hard.

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Oasis,

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Sade.

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I think she's still out there.

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Luther Vandross.

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But that's the band Sade though,

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which I did not know.

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Say again.

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I like to explain.

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It's,

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They're actually, it's her name, but it's also the band name. I didn't know that. Oh, yes. Yeah, I never knew that. And that last one on the list was Wu-Tang Clan, which is kind of a weird exists sometimes thing. Whatever. Yeah. Anyway. Just real quick, two things about it. And George, I know you haven't said anything yet. I will say, I thought something was up when they added Blaze's name to the list, quietly. He wasn't on the list for inductees. Yeah, initially, right? And they quietly

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added them and it kind of got out. I was like, oh, Blaze got added to the list. I'm thinking they're getting in. Who adds people to the list? So the hall decides who gets in from your band. That's why Deep Purple, they were pissed because Steve Morris didn't get inducted with them, even though he was in the band for like 25 years. But guys who were on the first album or single, you know, second album, and that's all they did. They got in. Interesting. Steve Morris only recently left, and that's really,

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because his wife is sick or something.

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In any case, other thoughts?

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You know, now I forgot my second thought.

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So if I come back to it.

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No, no, you're fine.

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If I swing back to it.

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Oh, about Billy Idol.

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So arguably commercial wise, not in terms of popularity for his fans, his true fans, his real fans, his Gen X fans on.

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But Money Money was probably one of his bigger songs, right?

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It's a cover, is it not? It is. Yeah, sure. Absolutely. From Tommy James and the Shondells? Yeah. Do you know how many songs they wrote that have been covered by big names? They're not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But yet, people who have been covering them are getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. That's gotta hurt a little bit, don't you think? Yeah, that's gotta hurt. That's a raw deal. That's some dirty business. Yeah. So, anyway, George, do you have anything about Maiden? You know, I mean,

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In a way, I'm glad because they're Iron Maiden. They should have every accolade available to them, even if it is a stupid rock and roll Hall of Fame one. Once a certain number of bands get in there, well, then I still won't care. I went to the one in Cleveland, the only one I suppose that is.

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I think 25, 26 years ago. And it was pretty lame. I don't know. So I'm as much as the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame kind of, there are certain things that grate me about that whole thing. I still, I'm a member. I'm actually a charter member. Do you vote? Well, no, I don't vote, but, but I, I, I took part in,

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in the opening ceremony. I was there when it opened. I've been back a couple of times. I like the various displays and the things that they have there. And over the years, it's changed. And so, George, it's possible that maybe it's improved since you went. In the last quarter century, it's possible. Yeah, I think because they have made a lot of different updates.

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and different displays and things that they've done. And as much, like I said, as much as some of the things really great on me, like who gets in and what do you call rock and roll and how did some of these one-hit wonders get in and bands like Iron Maiden, it takes 25 years for them to get in. All that kind of stuff, put that aside and there really is some really cool stuff in that place.

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And so, I don't know. It's still rock and roll. There's still some really cool stuff there. I can't help it. There's handwritten lyrics that Jim Morrison wrote and various other things that are just really kind of neat that you won't see anywhere else. Different stage-worn outfits, different instruments and things that were played by the people. There's some really cool aspects to it.

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So I just, you know, as much as like, there's a lot of BS about it, there's some really cool stuff too. Yeah, you get to go see trickets and stuff like cool trickets. Yeah, but one thing I'll add about my thoughts though about Maiden too is, and this is me, so take this with a grain of salt. And what I mean is I don't like here of all people, the people here, four of us grouped together, I think your opinions will matter to me on this. But one of the reasons I did think they should have gotten long ago is that even more honestly than Sabbath, I feel like I remain

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is almost the definition of heavy metal. I feel like if you're in the dictionary, that's the band there needs to be a picture of. And so that is odd to me why it took so long for that reason alone. Yeah. I wouldn't. Yeah. I don't have an issue with that. I think they probably have influenced more bands. Yeah. Overall. Yeah. Even more than say someone like Van Halen. Because it just got, Sabbath would probably be second to that. And I mean, you can't deny Metallica too on that. But you're right. They got the image. They got the album covers. They got the spandex.

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The Devil's involved.

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Speed Metal came out of there. Power Metal came out of there.

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Yeah, them and Priest for Power Metal, definitely.

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But just the whole

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twin guitar thing, while Priest was doing it,

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they took it to the next level.

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Or one of the bands.

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I always felt like they knew how to market

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themselves better than Priest did.

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I feel like Priest left

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a lot on the table.

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And Iron Maiden, while they're not

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to the level of Kiss,

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They certainly kind of know how to market themselves and how to take advantage of their image. You know, they've got Eddie, who's this really cool mascot. And there's, you know, it's just like there's a lot of cool imagery and they've kind of played that up very well along with everything else that, you know, you guys were talking about, like the... We talked about this once, TR, and I honestly think the difference between the commercial viability of Iron Maiden and Judas Priest's

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Rod Smallwood. I was going to say that too. Absolutely. That's the reason why. Yep. They had better management. I totally agree. And it was a guy who was singularly devoted to them. Yep. I don't even know Priest's manager's name. And I'm sure it's changed. Yeah. No, I'm sure they've been through about two or three or four hundred of them. I don't know. And TR, you know this. Sorry, George. Van Halen and Rush had the same manager and all that stuff was taken care of for them. Yeah. You know.

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He was at one point considered the fourth member of Rush. I can't remember his name now. I'm drawing a blank. I can see his face. Yeah, I can too. Wait, there's something about Rush that you can't remember? There's so much that we know, it's hard to keep it all in, George. I don't know. That just seems like a... There's the history behind this band. I mean... Ray... Ray Daniels. Ray Daniels, thank you. Yep. Boom, mofos. All right.

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I think we're happy maids getting in, but we're glad that there's a big metal finger still attached to it, which is nice.

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Yeah.

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You know what would be awesome? I'm sorry, George. Go ahead. I apologize.

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I was just going to comment on, you know, I'd rather reply to TR's mention of the cool things that they have there. I just felt like there wasn't very much. I thought you could get probably a lot more out of your local Hard Rock Cafe in terms of memorabilia.

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Maybe at that time. Yeah. At that time. Maybe it's better now. But I will say this. There's been various little news articles when it was like something was there and was clearly put in. And every once in a while I'll see something. I'm like, whoa, they got that. You know what I mean? And I couldn't begin to tell you what it was. But I do think they have probably a lot more than what are what are what's one of the things you saw there, TR outside of Jim Morrison lyrics where you were like, holy shit. Well, I recall seeing one of Eddie Van Halen's guitars, which was cool.

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That's cool. They've got that outside the

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Guitar Center on

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Sunset.

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Which one was it, TR? Which Frankenstein?

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Yeah, it was one of the

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red and white stripe ones.

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Which were the more common

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for him, the red and white?

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Yeah, exactly.

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If you got the yellow and black, that'd be awesome.

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Well, yeah, that or the white

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with the circles.

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The yellow and black one is in Dime Big Daryl's

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Coffin. Is it really?

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Wow.

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He didn't play that one that much.

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He went to his funeral and he put it in the box. Wow. That's freaking awesome. Geez. All right. One last thing about this. I think it's great Maidens aren't going to play. I think the Iron Maidens should play in place for them. That would be cool. Very cool. All right. Next three news items. We originally started with two. TR added a third. So there'll be an intermission at that point. But these are the first two are.

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Album Drops that are quite surprising that they came out. And then the third is J&TR Session. But it's important to them, so we're going to talk about it. The first one, just out of nowhere, on March 20th, metal legends, atmospheric sludge gods, Neurosis, released an album called An Undying Love for a Burning World. Just everyone got up and boom.

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was sitting right there on band camp out of nowhere didn't tell anybody nobody knew and to top things off which to me is first of all the album's great it's really good but the top things off they added Aaron Turner from ISIS and Sumac in as their new singer and guitar player which is like your head just blows up because if you're I know George I think you like ISIS I know Jay and I like ISIS TR I'm not sure if you're an ISIS fan but yeah that's a huge deal to

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It really was

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It's a good choice

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They really made a good choice

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And I think

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I do want to introduce

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And it's ugly

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But one of the reasons

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This was such a surprise

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Was because of the huge

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Scott Kelly problem

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That happened

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I mean how many years ago

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So I did check in

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So yeah

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It's the first album in 10 years

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But they've been on hiatus

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Since the Scott Kelly incident

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Since 2019

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19 okay

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It's a long time for that

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It was ugly

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I mean the guy

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Was sort of exposed

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As both verbally

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and physically abusive, I assume, to his family. And they did the right thing, and they were like, well, you're out. And so that's the other thing, is that he was a rather key member. It was this weird thing that you thought probably did them in, and then all of a sudden here was this thing. So that made it even more of a surprise. Yeah. Yeah. You guys have anything to add to that? Remember that time that Neurosis put out a surprise new album? Yeah. Yeah, that was cool.

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There you go. I was happy to see how many people are super happy that this is in their lives. I read so many comments of people saying, I've been having a shitty year and this is just great. And the band's response to it, I don't know if you saw, they responded with this heartfelt thank you. We didn't know it would mean this much to this many people.

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So I think that's great

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Yeah, actually I'll do one other comment

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Was they're great at keeping secrets

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I mean, that's not easy these days

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And so that was pretty cool

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Yeah, no way

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That's pretty cool to pull that off like that

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Yeah

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Well, there's another band

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That's pretty good at keeping secrets

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That's the next album release

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Which I know, George, I forgot

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You like them

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I'm a huge fan of this band

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So I don't know, Jane, if you have much to say about this

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But another surprise album announcement

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First, it started out as everyone thought it was these AI fakes last week. Yeah, I doubt everything now. Yeah, but everyone was doing it because this band is mysterious. They do this. This is part of their MO. But the band Boards of Canada announced and did pre-order for a new album called Inferno. If you're not familiar with Boards of Canada, I would say they are one of the big names in the world. This isn't just, you know.

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in their little genre. But they're in the electronic, down-tempo, IDM world. They are one of the big names. Top names. They haven't had an album out in 13 years. And all of a sudden, these weird promos started showing up in cities. And these little videos started showing up. Apparently, they were mailing VHS tapes to people who had bought stuff from their store. Just randomly selecting people and mailing them these tapes as promos.

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And I'm sure half of them were like, how am I going to play this? I'll never know. Yeah. And so they have a new album coming out. And I spent about 30 minutes trying to buy the vinyl because this is one of the few bands I'll actually buy the vinyl for. And they crashed their website. That's cool. Yeah. It's Warp Records, I think. And then Beep, I think is the name, which they're big on the whole electronic scene. So I started thinking, I was like, you know, they have everything on Bandcamp.

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And lo and behold, it showed up a half an hour later on Bandcamp. And since the pre-order went up, now this is pre-order, they've already sold almost 5,200 units on Bandcamp alone. That's a lot. Yeah. For just Bandcamp. Now, it prompted me to look which band has sold the most, I call it, I guess, units, because it could be digital, you know, it could be CD, it could be vinyl. Yeah. So I looked up, and you guys will appreciate this, the top 27 albums.

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Right there, that should be a hint. Right there. Top 27 albums are all from the same band for the most units sold. Really? King Gizzard. Oh, yeah. That makes sense. They have the top 27 albums sold. Yeah, I can see that being true. And I started clicking on some of the albums. I started adding them to them. And I'm sure each of them is a different genre. Right. So if you save an album to your wish list, or even if you buy it, you can see how many people have purchased.

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the physical number on Bandcamp. You can see that. You can't tell by looking just at the album page. Yeah. Some of those albums have sold like 27,000, 25,000. Yeah, just on Bandcamp. They're huge, man. I, you know, it's funny because I didn't, they're not on my radar. I mean, they are on my radar from the stuff that we liked. But I never, I looked into them a little bit and I was like, holy cow, these guys got a whole boatload of records. There's that. But then also,

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So this right when that record came out, they were playing at the Hollywood Bowl. And I was like, how can this band be this big? And I've only heard of them two days ago. Yeah. But they were literally playing a sold out show at the Hollywood Bowl. Well, that's the thing. Like their live shows are really people go crazy for them live. Yeah. So that puts that puts the boards of Canada album pre-sale and perspectives like, oh, wow, that's a lot. You're not there yet. Yeah. But still, I mean, that's a lot of.

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A band that hasn't been around for 13 years.

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Well, they've been around.

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Well, yeah, but I mean, releasing stuff.

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No, that's not an album.

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That's part of their mystique.

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They're there.

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They're there.

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They they they're involved, but they just they do it on their own terms.

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So I was very happy to hear that.

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So I fully own up to the fact that I don't know them from Adam.

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But but it's funny because he put he put it on the script and it was kind of mentioned

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in the text thread.

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And I mean, almost not long after that, I was wasting time on Instagram looking at videos or something, and a video came up. And it wasn't one they produced. It was somebody going like, I can't believe this is coming out. And I thought, okay, well, then I guess, you know, these guys have a following. Oh, yeah. They have a huge following. Now, you've probably heard one song from them called Dave Van Cowboy. Okay. Which has been used, and I think it was, I don't know if it's Mitsubishi, but it's a car commercial, and they used the song for the car commercial. Interesting. Yeah. So.

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Anyway. Yeah. And John, you got me into them. Like, you know, you told me about them and I started checking them out. And yeah, they're just there's a very cool, chill vibe to their stuff. And it's just very warm. Yeah. Like a nostalgic. Yeah, right. Exactly. That's exactly why I like them. I listened to this. The one album I like, Campfire Head Phase, I listened to the most. And every time I listened to it, I've just filled with all this nostalgia from when I was a kid.

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I love how weird their name is too. I think that's the funniest weirdest name. Well, it's actually based on the film industry from Canada. Okay. Yeah. There's a whole thing about that in their bio. So anyway, I thought it was cool. Two really cool drops out of nowhere from two bands completely opposite spectrums that have huge followings. But it's probably not as important as this now next album.

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I'm going to take off with.

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So, yeah.

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So just recently, the Michael Shanker group dropped the live and ready box set of five CDs, one DVD of performances from 1980 to 1984.

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And each of the CDs is, you know, a different show from that time.

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And then the DVD has a couple of shows on it.

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And some of these shows have not been released before. So for those people that like early MSG, I mean, this is the good stuff. So anyway, that was very tantalizing to me. I ordered it from Ken Golden on lasercd.com. I tried to get it through Target, but it was backordered, and I don't know when I'm ever going to get it.

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I gave up and I went to Ken because I know he's got it. He'll ship it to you right away. Yeah, well, I ordered it and like an hour or two later, bam, it's like, yeah, you're getting a shipment. It's like, okay. Laser's Edge is awesome. Yeah, Laser's Edge is great. So anyway, yep, so that's just wanted to mention that because any Michael Schenker fans out there, I'm sure you're going to be into that. I haven't got it yet. It's full, but I

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I will get it without question. So it gives me a chance to ask you about it, which is, have you seen any of the stuff that's on the DVD previously? And how are those shows? So I haven't. So I have like a Rock Palast show from that time period. But I honestly, one of the shows I think is from Japan.

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I'm guessing you can find a new good. Well, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, actually. So that's the thing. One of these shows came from a laser disc, I think. Okay. And that was the only place that it was available previously. So so now it's, you know, finally seeing more of the light of day for the general public that might not have the laser disc from, you know, whatever year that was that it came out.

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And then I can't recall what the other show is. So I don't want to get lost in the sauce here. But basically it looked like some really good shows and definitely worth looking at. So I'll give a sales pitch. I mean, I will get it. But my sales pitch on it is that if you're a Shanker guy, even if you're not, and I kind of understand why some people, they don't quite get the virtuoso that he as an individual is.

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And I, and that's because you got to pay attention. You got to get in, listen to all the UFO records and listen to his records. And then you'd be like, oh yeah, this guy's basically a genius. But the reason something like this is so in demand for Shanker heads is he also makes, makes it up as he goes along. I mean, you know, you're going to get different, different solos and different shows. So, and he does just the most amazing things. And he's always so fluid and so melodic, but it's sort of like Deep Purple.

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in that it's not the band itself is not improvising but Shanker is so yeah you can always get

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something new and weird with him when it comes for his little spotlight and each song so there you go yeah that's why something like this matters yeah and that's why like you know when he plays rock bottom for the thousandth time it's still really cool and you get transported someplace and it's awesome so that's the perfect way to put it yeah so hence the reason Michael

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If nothing else, Jay and I will be buying those boxes. I see your rock bottom and raise you a big bottom. Yes, I could listen to that all day as well. I'm surprised Gene Simmons hasn't copyrighted Michael Schenker's rock bottom. Yeah, that's right. Which, by the way, is actually a cool song from Kiss, I'm not going to lie. It's a very good version

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and a live one. Yeah. All right. We have two more items. And from my perspective, they're kind of bummers. And I just thought we'd talk about them real quick because I'm not sure how you guys feel. I know TR, one of them might mean something to you. But the first is guitarist and singer Dave Mason passed away this week, which is kind of a bummer. I don't know if people are familiar with Dave Mason. Yep. He's kind of a rock god in his own kind of quiet way.

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He is one of the founding members of the band Traffic with Steve Wynwood and Jim Capaldi. He was only on two albums. Well, technically three, I guess. And kind of had an in and out, but he wasn't there that long. But he had quite a solo career. He's played with everybody. He's been on so many albums, you don't even know he's on these albums. And he was part of the whole Delaney and Bonnie singer-songwriter group, which I don't know anything about them. I know their name, but apparently,

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everyone and their brother played with them at some point you know and i'm not talking like small names like

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dwayne and greg allman eric clapton clapton yeah right exactly parson george harrison oh yeah this guy dave mason

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you know uh and he's got some very recognizable solo songs himself you know most notably you know we

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just disagree which you hear those lyrics like wow man this guy gets it but why can't we all think this

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And Only You Know and I Know is another song that's big from him. His big songs, though, from Traffic are big. I mean, he's known for Hole in My Shoe, which I don't know if you guys are Traffic fans. I love Traffic. You can all join in. And then a song that's been covered a bazillion times, and you probably have no idea who originally wrote it, originally sang on it, which band originally played it, but Feeling All Right. Yep. It's been covered by a bazillion artists, it seems like.

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Joe Cocker gets all the credit because Joe Cocker has a very good rendition of it.

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But Traffic's version is better still.

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And I love Joe Cocker's version.

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But yeah, I just thought it was a bummer.

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One thing, Jay, you might find this interesting because you used to live in Northern California.

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So Dave Mason apparently moved to the States in 69, lived in L.A., lived in the States long enough that he actually lost his accent.

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Sounded like he was an American. He passed away in Gardnerville, Nevada, which is just outside of Lake Tahoe. Which, Jay, I'm sure you've been up that way before, at least somewhere. Nobody says, hey, yeah, I'm down in Minden. Or Gardnerville, you know, just south of Carson City in Nevada. Nobody says that. So I thought that was kind of interesting. So anyway. No, he doesn't say it either. Yeah, well. I thought it was an interesting story to bring up because.

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You've probably heard him, if you don't know the name, and you don't realize it, he's literally played with every big name from the early 70s, mid-70s. I think he's on all along the Watchtower on Hendrix's version of the song. That's just one of a ton of things that he participated in. I actually saw him in 1996. That's cool.

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go to the show.

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Because I didn't know anything.

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I had heard of him, but I didn't know who he was or really anything.

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And I came out of there like, oh, my God, I knew every song.

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Everything he played, it was like, oh, I know this.

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Oh, I heard this before.

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I couldn't believe it that he was kind of associated with all these songs that I knew.

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But I had no idea it was him.

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So yeah, just like you said, John, it's like, here's a guy that like was so involved in so many rock and roll songs that he was just kind of, I don't know, in a lot of ways, he was kind of in the background or, you know, he wasn't necessarily out front, but he was involved in it. And I was blown away, actually, because he did, he did. I remember the version of Feeling All Right that he did, which was great. And, you know, I don't know, it was just,

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I came away with my eyes opened after that show like wow Dave Mason what a guy like this guy really was part of the whole deal you know late 60s early 70s all through the whole 70s and everything yeah so that's let me throw some names out for you then he um because I just decided to pull up his Wikipedia page here first of all I like traffic I think traffic was really cool band yeah but the list is and this is just amongst others but he

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He worked with George Harrison, the Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Paul McCartney and Wings, Michael Jackson, David Crosby, Graham Nash, Steve Winwood, Fleetwood Mac, Delaney and Bonnie, Leon Russell, and Cass Elliot. That is just the ones where we'll put this at the top of the article. The guy obviously had his hand in it as a session guy. Just crazy. George, are you? He must have just been great. Or got along with people. That goes a long way, that's true.

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Do you have any Dave Mason stuff to add, George? No. I mean, I like some traffic stuff, but that's all I know. Okay. Yeah. Except for the ones that I probably know and don't know that I know. Exactly. Yeah. You'd be surprised, I think. Yeah. And I think that's, I'm not saying this, it's not a flippant thing. I think it's kind of par for the course for a lot of people who are like, oh, wow, he wrote that song? He sings on that song? And then you go back, I listened to Traffic Seconds,

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second album say which is their self-titled even though it's their second and it's just like seven or eight songs in a row like oh man i mean i have all their stuff but still i was just like holy smokes at the time this must have been i know some people like them some people hate them i don't i don't get it but i mean steve woodwood was in the band jim capaldi those are some big names steve woodwood's the biggest obviously but yeah anyway all right last one so we can get on to the meat of the episode uh again this one kind of

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It applies to me, T.R. George and Jay, I'm not sure you're fans of this band, but the band Riverside, they're a Polish prog rock. They can get a little metal-ish at times, but they're probably one of the modern prog rock big names in the world. They're singer and bassist, and I would say primary songwriter, although the band takes all the credit together for the music. He wrote all the lyrics. Mariusz Duda has left the band.

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Now, if you're a prog rock fan, you know who Riverside is. They were huge. In the small world of modern prog, obviously, it's not a big world. But he left after 25 years. It appears there was some tension with the drummer who was an original founding member. But this is kind of a big deal because I can't see this band continuing at all, to be honest with you. It's 25 years. It's not like Peter Gabriel leaving Genesis after like six or seven years.

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He liked where the singer left. There's not too many. I mean, when Bruce left, Maiden suffered hard, you know, in terms of sales. Same with Priest. I just can't imagine this band moving on. Maybe they will. Who knows? If they do, buy homemates, go for it. Honestly, like, how can it be? How can you have Riverside without him? I agree. Well, it's already one leg missing because they lost their guitarist. Yeah. Well, he passed a couple of years ago now. Yeah. My Polish is not very good, but English.

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version, his name, Peter, or whatever, Rudzinski passed away in, what, 2016. And they've already been, well, the guy they had that replaced him is excellent, and he's very respectful of replacing him. It just, that was this guy, Duda's, you know, soulmate musically. And so it's just, there's been tension in the band for, I guess, a while. So it was kind of a big deal, because it's one of my favorite bands.

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If he's gone, is there somebody that owns the band that was there from the beginning still? Well, so he's been on every single release. He's kind of like, you know, everyone likes to say, Halford's not an original member of Priest. Well, you know what? Outside of two albums, he's been on every single album. He was on the first album. I always hated that argument. Well, he's not an original. Yeah, he's just been on every album. So Marius has been on every single album. He writes the lyrics for every... He wrote the lyrics for every...

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for every single album. And he writes, I'm guessing he writes most of the music. That's my guess. Yeah. He, so the drummer and the guitarist, both names, Peter and English, by the way, they started the band and they asked him to join. So, okay. So he wasn't there for the first meeting. Well, Geddy Lee wasn't at the first meeting for Rush either. Yeah. Okay. And he got kicked out by Ray Daniels. Yeah, that's right. And he came back. Everyone still considers Geddy Lee an original member of the band. So. Yeah.

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He is, but... Well, and yet... There's semantics. He was always the new guy. Yeah, and he also is... Now he's an old guy. Well, in spirit. The new old guy. Yeah, exactly. So yes, I mean, to answer the question, he's not... He wasn't there at the first bar. We should start a band, dude. He wasn't there for that. But he was the driving force in the band. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, well, when you sent me

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the text about this, like I said to you, he is Riverside. To me, there's no Riverside without him. So, I mean, they would have to get a whole other dude that writes great music, has a good voice, a whole other dude. Thank you, George. Exactly. Well done. But, yeah, it's just, I don't know. And now that he's going to focus mostly on

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his lunatic soul stuff, which is cool. It's like there's going to be a hole if there's no, I don't know. I would assume that whatever he goes off and does, he's going to play Riverside stuff because that's part of his heritage and part of the music that he's done. I'm so sure once he gets his mind where he wants it. Yeah. I can even start seeing him just going under his main name like Stephen Wilson did from Porcupine Tree and playing Prague.

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I can see that easily. Exactly. So, you know, and I'll be there. I'm hopeful. Yeah, that exactly that that he'll be doing that and we'll be able to go see him because honestly, like you said, those Riverside shows were always really great. And yeah, you know, we were always there. So I'm hopeful that that'll happen. Me too. All right. We did more news than I thought we would, but that's the case. So now we get to the real meat of stuff. Hopefully you don't.

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go off the rails too much.

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Because this is an open-ended.

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So you're sort of accessing all of our deepest memories, so good luck with that.

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Yeah, right.

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There might be some rambling.

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Yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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I didn't think of that.

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Wait, can I have to stop you real quick?

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I so apologize.

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We can't even get started.

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We can't even get started.

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I know.

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But it was because right before we started, George was like, hey, man, how's it going?

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When I got on.

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And I did forget to tell you guys a very brief story that I'll just say the way I spent my morning was digging a dead mouse out of my Jeep that up and died in the HVAC system. Smells like a mortuary, man. That's metal. Thank goodness I found him. Stench of death. He was behind the cabin air filter, which made it twice as gross. But anyway, I can't drive my Jeep for like two weeks now. It is so gross. That's what I did.

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I know exactly what dead mouse smells like. They keep dying in our master closet. It's right. It's awful. And if you can't find it, it's even worse. So thankfully you got them out of there. I am so grateful. I can't begin to tell you. I called one of my neighbors and he said, look here. And I was like, and I called him back. I was like, I love you, man. Thank you so much. Okay. So since we're on mouse talk, real quick, Jay, seeing as you've got probably 3 billion field mice running around in

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We have kangaroo rats. Good God. We do too in D.C. They might actually be politicians. Jay, you need some predator pee to put in your engine block. I'm not joking about that. I've got lots of advice and that's one of them. A lot of people leave their hoods open all the time. They're like little vials. You just hook it in there. You can get like bobcat pee because Jen used to have to get that when she lived in D.C. for the rats.

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You just have to find out what mice don't like

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and it'll keep them out of the block

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It might smell worse than a dead mouse

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but it'll keep them out

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You don't drive with it in there

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you take it out when you drive

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It calls to mind

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the old Australia joke

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which was somebody

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they got in rats so they got some animal

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to eat the rats and then they got some animal

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to eat those animals and blah blah blah

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and in the end they were overrun by frogs

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I don't know why she swallowed the fly. I guess she'll die. With that digression taken out of the way, perhaps, John, you can push us into the future now. Or the past, more likely. Great Scott! For the derailments that are going to happen. Yeah, it's already happened. We couldn't even get started. Yeah, that's rough. We have a place where we keep all our thoughts together on how we want to do segments, and I put this in there.

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something called it was there just titled our musical dna which is really

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moments albums songs live shows etc etc parts of our lives that are burned into our dna

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that kind of help shape our musical persona this is really open-ended it could be anything

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that's why i put those it's just only four things i put there you know moments albums songs

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We all have our specific characteristics that got us to where we are. And I'm willing to bet you all four of us all have commonalities, but then we'll have things that are so different from each other. But we hold them true. These are things that are important to us. And this is stuff that we've talked about, I'm sure. But now we're given a chance to kind of highlight it more than just adding it into another conversation. So. And I came up with the title. We don't have to use it.

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But I don't think, T.R., you didn't say anything, so I don't know if you got the kind of nod I was making with the title that I put in our script. But I called it Monuments Burned Into Moments, which is a porcupine tree 27-second song. And I always thought that was kind of a cool title because it made me think, you know, something you experience that, you know, it's burned in permanently that you'll never forget it. So anyway, this is our musical DNA.

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And I guess, since I'm my idea, I guess I'll go first. So I'll be the first to go off the diving board, you know. The guinea pig. You know, as the eye patches, like, blinding you as you poke me with the sword and I fall into the ocean with the alligators. Yeah, release the kraken. Yeah. All right. So this is the first one. And by the way, there's no like, if I say something or somebody says something, it doesn't mean you can't bring it up yourself because it could be a whole different reason why it's important to you. Right.

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And I sort of got the idea from this. That's why I'm doing it first. And my title for this little section here is called Music and Television. It's not music television. It's music and television. There was a show that debuted on June 5th, 1981. This was before MTV, which debuted August 1st, 1981. The show is called Night Flight. I think you guys have heard me talk about it before.

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This show, I can't get it out of my head. I was so enamored with this show. I could never stay up late to watch it because it was always on super late at night. And then it eventually, it was part of USA Network. And it used to be this like four hour blocks that they would run twice at night. And it was just all random shit from music and culture surrounding music and modern day or present day things going on. So you could see concerts, music videos,

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interviews, interviews, interviews, they'd show horrible B-films, all kinds of stuff. They had scripted stuff they did. And then eventually when it became, you know, was it Up All Night on the USA Network or whatever, that's when it was kind of not my thing. But the stuff in the 80s, it just is seared in my brain. That intro that they have that's got the Tron-like graphics, it's like a 1980s, like, oh God, what are the things that fly over our head?

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All the drones that fly around? No, that's a whole different story right now.

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But you know, drones, they give you these great angles. People can't see them making hand motions.

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Well, it's like this digital Tron version of the LA Basin with the mountains in the background.

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And you can see like you're just flying and you never get to the mountains.

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You guys ever seen those digital things that you keep going and going and going in the mountains, never get closer.

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And you're like, geez, how much longer we're going to be to get there?

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It's kind of like driving from Sacramento to the Bay Area. You see those mountains, like, what are we getting there? You know, and it's only like an hour. That's my whole life now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then it was the narrator, Pat Prescott, that voice. I've never forgotten it. It's kind of like, you remember on Seinfeld? Do you remember who was it from Entertainment Tonight used to drive Kramer nuts, the voice? Oh, Mary, what's her name? Mary. I can't think of it. Yeah. Anyway, so I, it's just everything about it. I saw, and this, the reason I bring this up is because it led

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into obsessions I had. I saw some early live concert footage on there. I saw two videos that I have on videotape somewhere around here. The first one was Genesis Live 1976. Mine just blew. I was like, I'm watching. And then I saw Rush at the stage left. Yes, another Rush reference. And again, mind blown watching this stuff. And they were these horrible grainy concert films.

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It looked like crap. It was the old tape. The tape stretch where the music is playing. And it just keeps going. The video had that too. But it got me hooked on grainy videos. I don't like watching new film for concerts. I want to see grainy old. I wanted to like, man, that happened 50 years ago. No, it was three years ago, dude. I like that. And it got me into music documentaries, this channel, because I was like, oh, look at this interview. Oh, yeah, I'm in. Let's do this.

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And then I just went off the deep end. I'll watch, even if I hate the artist, like I can't stand Bruce Springsteen. I'll still watch a documentary. I don't care. Because there's something to get from it. There's something to learn. And obviously I could mention MTV. That was big. PBS, that's where I saw Yes Songs for the first time was on PBS. Really? Yeah. And I was like, what is this? Why is that guy have a cape?

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is music and television, not MTV. So Night Flight is just, and to the point where I'm going to actually sign up for it, because you can get the channel now. Yeah, I saw that. They brought it back. Yeah, they brought it back on Apple TV. I can't remember. It's either on Apple TV or Amazon. I can watch the episodes. There was something else, because I just looked it up recently, and it was somewhere else, too. Yeah, it's all over. You can go to their website and join. You mean they're replaying these episodes? Yeah, it's like the whole thing is there for you to look at.

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at like yeah and it's just again the whole reason behind this i think there's gonna be a lot of nostalgia here from us it just takes me back to i would try to stay up it'd be 11 30 and oh i know yeah it's kind of hard right 12 30 i'm out and then at one o'clock i hear my mom yelling turn the tv off you know so i used to record and then watch it the next day and everything and oh man i missed that so much anyway that's my first one so that's how i viewed doing this

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just things like that and it led to me being a big fan of music documentaries which to me is important i love watching that stuff it does so anyway all right jay we'll go to you next well actually i'll just add on to yours and say i'm kind of the same way about documentaries i'll just i don't i mean i watch i'll watch some great one about the bgs i watched not that long ago i watched the billy joel one i mean these are people i necessarily follow but i i'm just interested you know and anyway so i'm the

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I'm going to start with something that it's you could call it part of my DNA I could be embarrassed by that if I wanted to but I just won't and that because I think it informed me about a lot of different sort of stuff but the long and the short of it was kiss you know when I was a kid we my parents were divorced and then we got a stepdad you know and he had some sons and one of them

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His name was Rod. He was my new stepbrother. So I would have been maybe five years old, maybe six. And we saw him a couple times. And then one day we were all in the car and he said, do you guys know about Kiss? And I was like, I do not, sir. What are you talking about? And shortly thereafter, he gave me Rock and Roll Over and Love Gun, which is a great place to start. But I purposely choose this because of the strange place that it

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held for me. So a couple of things. One was, first of all, and I'll argue this to anybody for the rest of my life, you couldn't take a bad picture of Kiss. Like, go try to find one. I'm not joking. They all look cool in everything. Well, the makeup helps, I think. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, no, it makes for it. But I mean, literally, they could be falling off the back of a truck and be like, look at those guys, man, that's awesome. That is so cool how they're falling off the back of that truck. You know, and when you're a little kid,

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like me that mattered and the reason though it's kind of written my dna is because a lot of my early experiences like you had to i mean i i didn't see them moving in motion outside you know because of magazines and stuff i saw phantom of the park and then i was just gonna say that you know but then i don't think i saw him move again for six years or something like that you know what i mean and um because all i had were still photographs and and

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It mattered to me. So I, and I spent a lot of private time in my bedroom listening to the music and stuff, but yeah, but I bring it up now too, because then it transitions to, well, first of all, they were kind of leather clad and stuff. So I'm sure it's cemented some of my, there's a lot of kids that grew up on Kiss that became maiden fans and stuff, you know? Oh yeah. Um, but it was also my first concert and I'm, um, it was post makeup. I was 13 years old.

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And they and Queensryke was opening for the warning was wow and I had the Queensryke records at that time but it was sort of like they had sort of dominated the earlier part of my life kiss already I was a little away from them but I mentioned it because I had just mentioned that I couldn't see them moving anywhere and stuff I mean by that time there was videos and stuff but but not like the old you couldn't go find the old kiss shows those

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were nowhere. There was no 1976 line in Anaheim. Nothing. You had to buy him as bootlegs online or forget it. And the reason I mention this as part of my musical DNA is because I still to this day remember going, loving it. It was the loudest thing I ever heard in my life to the point where I almost couldn't distinguish the music. And then literally leaving and I was deflated because I was like, my whole life up until that point had been still photographs with some

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stuff thrown in. And I remember thinking, they're just real people.

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It bothered me so much.

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How dare they not be gods?

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And it wasn't because they weren't wearing makeup.

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It was because I had so built up everything in my life about my first concert.

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And of course, it was going to be one of my favorite bands from when I was a little kid and all this stuff.

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And I just walked out and it sobered me up somehow.

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You're just a drunk little 13-year-old.

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Yeah, and I mention all that because all of that is part of my musical DNA. That deflation sort of informed the next things I did and so on and so forth. So there ended up probably my first great love of an individual band and my first concert, you know, and they both had a profound effect on me without question. Nice. I remember the Kiss days too. I remember I got caught sticking my tongue out in the mirror to try to be like,

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Gene Simmons. And my dad's like, what the hell are you doing? We used to do concerts. We had these strings. My grandfather made most of my father's parents, grandparents and stuff were farmers on my stepfather's side. So we would always have farms and stuff. And they used to make these things that were like a barn that was like this big. And the top of it, we were supposed to store toys and these things. And we used these things. And they were supposed to be the risers that they'd

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up on in life too. And then my sisters would make my poor sisters and

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stepsisters come down and we're like, we're doing kiss.

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You got to.

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In the worst outfits you ever saw in your life.

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You know, anyway.

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Nice. I've been there. All right.

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TR.

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So I'm going to go back even further.

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So first of all, just to respond to you guys,

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I miss the kiss boat. I totally did not get into that at all. It just didn't resonate with me and I didn't really get into it. But I want to go back even further. As a little kid, most of my background was kind of, I was rooted in classical music and choirs and singing. And in grade school, I played the recorder. I don't know if you guys

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Remember the recorder, but it was like a little flute kind of thing. Yeah, sure. I think we all had one. Yeah. I got one in Cub Scouts or something. Hot cross bonds. Yeah. And later, of course, I moved on to the clarinet like in junior high, but I just wasn't feeling it. And our high school band was kind of like this paramilitary outfit that I

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I did not want to be a part of. So I was like, yeah, I'm out. Like, so at the end of junior high, I was like, I'm done with clarinet. I'm done with like, you know, this. And so in high school, I was in the choir and the stuff that kind of resonated most with me was like all the, all the kind of classical stuff. And now eventually, you know, I learned to play some guitar.

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But singing was pretty much primary to me. I had kind of a musical family. My grandmother played the mandolin. And she loved to dance. And my mother was a music fan. We've talked about how she liked Elvis. She was a big Elvis fan. And she enjoyed... To her, music is something to dance to. Of course, for me, music has nothing to do with dancing.

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You pick apart like a Rush song. I remember on my dad's side of the family, I had these older cousins that were probably eight years older than me. They all played guitar and sang. They lived close to each other up in New York.

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They got together and they'd play Beatles songs and they'd harmonize. And they came and visited us down in Delaware. And for them, it was like a great escape because they lived in the city and coming down to Delaware on essentially a farm where there was no... The road was so far away that you couldn't even hear the traffic. They couldn't even believe that.

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When they came to visit us, they couldn't understand how there weren't any sirens or anything. They couldn't believe how quiet it was. They got together all the time and they played music together. I was probably maybe 11 or 12 when they came to visit. They were probably in their teens or 20s. They played these Beatles songs.

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And they were doing three-part harmony and playing guitar, like dual guitar, like playing all this stuff. And I was blown away by my own family members and thinking to myself, this is incredible. I just could not believe that they were making music like the Beatles or whatever, you name it. I remember them playing, what's the song?

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You Take the Load Off Me. What is that? The Weight from the band. Yeah, The Weight. They played The Weight from the band with Perfect Harmony and all the guitar stuff. And I was blown away. I could not believe these guys from my own family were playing this stuff. And I was just like, this is incredible. And that kind of... You hear about people that saw the Beatles on the Ed Sullivan show or...

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For me, it was like my cousins playing in my own house that kind of inspired me to kind of be like, wow, like my own family can do this. Maybe I could do this. And of course, it was many years before I would like actually, you know, cultivate that and actually, you know, do something about it. But it planted a seed in my, you know, 11 year old mind or whatever.

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I don't know how old I was at the time. That, yeah, people can do this. Like, you can do this. Anybody can do this if you, like, set your mind to it. And so that is some of my earliest kind of memories of, like, music and how it influenced me. Kind of getting into my teens. And, John, I know you've talked a lot about

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about the Bay Area rock and roll scene and the music stations. And I'll go over a little bit of the 70s and 80s rock radio in Philadelphia, 93.3 WMMR and 94.1 YSP. Those were the big stations that played classic rock. And that was like a very important element to my growing up and what I found, you know, when it came to rock and roll.

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They played like classic rock, all the stuff that, you know, we talk about now that like, you know, that was so big back then. They played everything Zeppelin Boston, you know, sticks, Van Halen, you name whatever, you know, was big at the time, like they played it. And that was a huge influence. And I remember, you know, we talked last episode about, you know, taping off the radio.

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I remember when 1984 came out and they played all six Van Halen albums up to that point on the radio. And I just was like throwing tapes in like I couldn't stop, you know. And I was like, oh, man, this is awesome because I didn't have all those albums.

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Guess who has every Van Halen record now?

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Yeah, that's right. Up to that point, it was everything. And so anyway, you know, we haven't we haven't, you know, talked about radio.

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a whole lot in this particular episode. We've talked about it many times throughout

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this podcast, but

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I just wanted to mention those elements were kind of big for me

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because I remember listening to those stations and listening to the

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bands and the rock and roll that was playing on those stations, and that was a huge influence

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on what I got into and what I liked.

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And, you know, I don't know that we'll ever fully understand, like, what, why we like something, you know?

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Yeah.

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That's something that is, like, unexplainable, like, why you take to something and not something else and why something, you know, appeals to you in some way that you can't explain.

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It just, you know, when you hear it, you're like, oh, that's so cool. I love that. And I really want to listen to that. I don't, you know, we talked about the, you know, the whole point of this whole musical DNA thing, I think is really an interesting concept because we'll never, I don't think we'll ever really fully understand, you know, we can break down like all the things that were influences to us, but I don't know that we'll ever really understand like why we like something or why when you hear something, you're like, oh,

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I really like that that's really cool I want to I want more of that we can't do it on a human level

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not just an individual level I talked about this once on the other podcast there's this great

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essay by Philip K. Dick and they don't scientists don't know why music affects us the way it does and you can ask yourself that question you can say well yeah but I like it and that's not the answer to the question the question is why should certain keys make us feel sad you know and

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certain rhythms make us feel other ways you can maybe tie some of that into your nervous system and the way it works and all that kind of stuff but at the end of the day there's a void there that we can't quite get past to understand why it affects us the way it does and i brought this up in the other podcast and i'll just say this it's called music theory because there aren't any music facts you don't study you study music theory and it's all it will ever be as a theory because there's no science important science kind of breaks down

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I wanted to ask you a question because you mentioned the classical thing yeah do you guys

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remember and I'm asking you specifically but I bet you guys there was a record and it was kind of a big deal

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like and I want to say it was late 70s early 80s it was called hooks on the classics oh yeah

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dude I remember that that was huge remember like sounds familiar that was like the ads on the tv were like

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huge for that yeah so for those of listeners who don't know what I'm talking about it was the royal

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Philharmonic orchestra. And what they did was just cut together a bunch of classical compositions and put a drumbeat under them. I mean, they didn't cut them together. I'm saying somebody cleverly transitioned them in an uncharted music and they played them. And it was played with a sort of disco drumbeat underneath. And it was a big deal at the time. Yeah, that was big. And then at some point, somebody's like, hey, that worked. Let's do that with chant.

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Yeah. Fast forward like, you know, maybe what, 15 years? In the 90s, yeah. Yeah, it's Gregorian chant. Yeah, Gregorian chant on like, yeah, that was big. Yeah. Yeah, I think I've got that somewhere. What's that? I think it was just called chant, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think that was huge too. Yeah, I've got, I probably got that on CD somewhere. I've got

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Are you good, Tierra? Can we move to George now?

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Well, I mean, I didn't even talk about like 90% of the stuff I was going to say.

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Oh, go.

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Wait, are you doing all your stuff right now?

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Well, I don't know. Are we just kind of going around for different segments?

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That's what I figure we do.

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Oh, okay, good.

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Otherwise, yeah, I've got plenty more.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, I just do want to say, I just want to underscore what you said about the early days of MTV, which was revelatory for people our age. That was incredible when MTV came out. Agree totally with Night Flight. Friday Night Videos was another one that was really big that I remember watching and just being completely glued to the TV. Like, I could not look away because it was so riveting.

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All that stuff was so riveting for just being a kid at that time or being a teenager and just wanting to absorb a sponge. Give me that so much. I can't tell you how big that was at the time. Jay, you mentioned Queensryche's The Warning. One of the moments in my life that I've mentioned before,

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on this podcast, but I want to mention it again because this is one of my favorite moments in my entire rock and roll life. My buddy Colin, who is a listener of this podcast and who I completely talk rock and roll with all the time, he was my locker partner throughout high school because his last name starts with an M and my last name starts with an M, so we were always in the same homeroom.

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So we always had the same locker. And he had Queensryche's The Warning on cassette tape. And I had a cassette tape player that because I don't know if it was Crutchfield at the time or whatever. But I put a cassette player in my 1970 Dodge Dart. And he had The Warning. And he was like, dude, you have to hear this.

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and he played, you know, the, the, the, um, uh, I guess it was, uh, take hold of the flame on, on the cassette in, in, uh, in the car. And of course, you know, he goes up for the high note and of course we're all just like, we can't even believe like what we're hearing. And that was what I just remember sitting in that high school parking lot, listening to take hold of the flame.

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on a cassette tape in my 1970 Dodge Dart with my buddy Colin, who was like, dude, you have to hear this. And just being completely blown away by this music and feeling like, oh, man, I got to get some of this somehow. Like, I got to like, you know, if I could like somehow. Everything just changed. Mainline this. Yeah, right. Exactly. And so anyway, that's just another moment that I want to mention because you did mention the warning, Jay.

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and I couldn't help myself. I'll take his back seat right now. All right, George. All right. So when we came up with this idea, I was like, gosh, how am I going to figure out what I want to say about all this? And I came up with the idea of interviewing myself, but I didn't want to come up with the questions. So what I did was I went to chat GPT and I said, hey, AI, I do this podcast.

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And we're doing this bit on our musical DNA. So I want you to ask me questions that will pull out, draw out my story. And it gave me a whole lot of crap. But I was able to come up with some of the questions that I thought were worth answering. And so I'm going to read the question and then respond to it. Okay?

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And I'll do a few of these and then we'll move on to somebody else and I can do some more later. So the first question was, what's the first song you remember loving? Not just hearing, but loving. And we touched on this last time a little bit. And I think the first song I remember loving and like playing on repeat was Surfing USA by the Beach Boys. My dad had a cassette that I borrowed.

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And I played that over and over and over. And yeah, I don't know. I mean, there were some other songs that I really liked, but Surfing USA. I was sure that Barbara Ann was boss man for the long time. Just thinking in that jet. Bah, bah, bah. Bah, bah, Brian. Yeah. But that song is etched into my brain. Okay. It's a good one to remember.

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I was a kid, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody gone surfing. Surfing USA. All right. So then I, what was the first album that felt like yours? Not your parents, not the radios, but yours. Something I also mentioned last time, but it technically wasn't mine because I borrowed it from a neighbor kid, but it was John Cougar's American fool. Wow. Okay. And at the same time I borrowed Jake Iles band,

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Freeze Frame. Where is American Fool? Is that like his first record? First record. And is it like his first, that was even pre-Jack and Diane kind of thing? No, it was Jack and Diane, Hurt So Good. I thought he had one before that. Actually, you're right. There was, I think there was like maybe a... I Need a Lover Who Won't Drive Me Crazy with that. Yeah, that album. Yeah, that one. So American Fool was the second album. Yeah. It's my first album. Your first album, yeah. And I liked the Jay Giles one because they had Freeze Frame and

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Centerfold, I think was on there too. But the John Cougar American Fool was, that was it for me. That was like, hey, I like music. I mean, I really like music. And I don't know, everything that came after flows from that. And the next question was, where were you,

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you physically? Bedroom, car, walkman, under the covers like a musical smuggler? And I didn't really answer that properly. But I tied this back to the John Cougar thing, which was I remember being in my bedroom and jumping up on down on the bed to this music, which of course would destroy a bed now. But I was just like, you know, an energetic little kid just bouncing on the bed. But

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Something that T.R. just said, I'm just inserting a random story here that's completely out of the timeline. I'm good at that. Something that you just said made me think about riding the bus with my Walkman. And there was an album, and it was, again, ironically, something that I had borrowed from somebody else at school.

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And I remember listening to it on the bus and really digging it. And rewinding and playing and rewinding and playing this song over and over again. And I remember getting off the bus and walking slowly home from the bus, which is only like a block and a half. So that I could listen to this song like three more times. And this was the self-titled Metal Church album and the song Gods of Wrath. So good.

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Like the ultimate power ballad. While still being metal. While still being metal. Not like a ballad like Ooh Baby Baby. This was... It had the clean picked out guitar parts. Melodic intro. But what got me was then when it would kick in to the heavy and David Wayne would just scream, Wow! Gods of Wrath! Such a good album. And I was like,

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this. This.

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You know, and it's still one of my

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all-time favorite albums.

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Would you mind if I quickly shared a

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Jack and Diane story with you? Absolutely.

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And it's that right when

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that song came out, and it was a hit, it was

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on the radio constantly, at least where I lived.

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This is the absolute truth.

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I remember spending the night at a friend's house, and I

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love this guy. His parents let us do whatever the

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heck we wanted. He was the best guy.

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Hit boxing gloves we used to go in the basement

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and his bedroom was in the attic and i was kind of an insomniac as a kid

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and i slept and we slept in this attic and i my head was by literally the amityville window you know

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what i mean and i could look out and it was this moonlit night and it was one of those times in the

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midwest where against all odds there's like a layer of fog on the ground there's another good song

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And I couldn't sleep, as mentioned, I was a bit of an insomniac. So I was probably up till three in the morning. And the amount of times Jack and Diane came on the radio, because it was like, yeah, at the time, I must have heard it four or five times before I fell asleep. But it was, it's, it went grained in my head, because sitting up there looking at this on this moonlit fog. I remember it was one of those times where a kid, but even as a kid, you're smart enough to go just like, wow, I am so happy right now. Like, like, I'm at peace.

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I like how that fog looks. I can smell the fresh air coming in the window. And every time I hear Jack and Diane, I think of that. Because it was like right at its height. That's funny. Because when I think of Jack and Diane, I think of like Putt-Putt. What? Putt-Putt. Because it was always playing at the Putt-Putt place that we went. Oh, that's good. Interesting. It was ubiquitous though, wasn't it? It was. Oh, you couldn't escape it.

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in 1983 or whenever it came out, it was every 10 minutes on the radio, honest to God.

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Anyway, I apologize.

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No, actually, that leads me to other avenues.

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So back to Jack and Diane.

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First of all, your story about how you hear it and it takes you back to that moment.

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And I live for those types of things.

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You know, coming across things that take me back to staring out the window of my bedroom as a kid, and it's spring, or it's 10 o'clock at night and it's still light out. Or, you know, the Michigan snow, because I was also in the Midwest at the time. And it's funny because that led me to another song, and there's a

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by Rat.

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And I think it's just called Dance.

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It's from Dancing Undercover.

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And I think it's like the first album.

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Dance, dance, dance.

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I have a very strong urge to listen to that song every first snow.

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Huh.

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Because I put that album on for the first time on the school bus,

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leaving school for the day.

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It was snowing and

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somehow those two things

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just melted together

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and

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now it's like

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it's first snow of the year

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I want to listen to rat

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Don't Stop Believing is tied to weather for me

01:19:22.040 --> 01:19:22.160
Yeah

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Just one of those great

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winter days where it's like dark out

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all day

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I heard it under those conditions once

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and I can still see that day

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And then there's school bus songs

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Like Eurythmics, Here Comes the Rain Again. That's such a school bus song. Or Elton John's, I guess that's why they call it the blues, school bus song. So when you say a school bus song, because our bus did not play any music. Ours did. We had a cool bus driver. She was cool. Are you serious? She always put on the rock channel. Oh man, we didn't get any of that. Yeah.

01:20:05.140 --> 01:20:35.080
Yeah, she was cool. And then like last day of school, she'd give us like, she'd give us the little icy like pop things that, you know, were just like frozen colored stuff in a plastic thing. But yeah, she was cool. Mrs. Toma. I even remember her name. Oh, well, yeah, of course. Yeah, I would remember the name of someone who had awesome music on the bus. Yeah. And she didn't give me a hard time when I'm in high school. I brought my own boombox on the bus and we'd be blasting.

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Slayer and Anthrax and Metallica. To the annoyance of everyone around me because that's the biggest kid on the bus. And everybody's just like, oh God, this idiot again. But... And you're like, yeah, this is right. And I was like, you will listen to this. So rude. So rude. I love it. Yeah. Where'd Jacob? You hear that rain falling? You know what's coming. Rain in blood from a last

01:21:05.380 --> 01:21:34.680
Rated School Bus. Awesome. Wow. Go ahead. No, sorry. I've got one more Jack and Diane thing, but it can wait. Still with the Jack and Diane. Well, I actually have a Jack and Diane thing too, but go ahead. Well, you go. I want to point out, we were horribly wrong. That album was his fifth studio album at that point. Wow. Yeah. I had no idea. I thought he had only one album before that.

01:21:34.780 --> 01:22:04.760
I thought you did too. Negatory. Wow. Yeah. Huh. And there was an album in between that and what was it Uh-huh when that came out? Yeah. Yeah, I don't think it was very good because I didn't recognize any of the songs when I was looking. Yeah. Oh, wow. Was he still John Cougar? He was still John Cougar, yeah. Okay. Oh, nothing mattered what if it did, right. Yep. The picture looks horrible. Doesn't look anything like his other pictures. He looks older on his early

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It's got Ain't Even Done With The Night. That's a good one. Yeah. But I mean, that was his fifth album that he broke on. Holy crap. Yeah. Interesting. I know. I think the I Don't Need A Lover, or I Need A Lover. That's in the third album. A biography? Yeah, but that was still probably a hit for him. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. And here's what's funny, real quick on that song. It reminds me of a Lou Reed song, which is actually

01:22:34.780 --> 01:23:03.720
him covering Velvet Underground. But on his live album, he has Sweet Jane. And the Sweet Jane on the live album is this real super long intro. You know, and it's got this whole guitar thing going on, and it's actually really cool. And every time I hear the song from John Cougar, who became John Cougar Mellencamp, who became John Mellencamp, it reminds me of the Sweet Jane song, because that's one thing I like about that. I need a lover.

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is that long intro with the whole guitar solo. It just sounds so mid-late 70s. It actually really has a cool vibe to it because so many bands are doing that kind of thing. I'll never understand what sucking on a chili dog is, though. Well, I have an idea. So my last thing about Jack and Diane,

01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.060
is actually about my last thing.

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And that is that this album, and particularly that song, is so ingrained on me that I envision, like, deathbed, like, getting ready to cross over, and that song's going to play.

01:23:50.100 --> 01:23:51.680
I hope that's not true.

01:23:52.980 --> 01:23:54.160
I don't know, man.

01:23:54.560 --> 01:23:56.860
It better not happen to me, I'll tell you that.

01:23:57.320 --> 01:24:00.460
No, not you, but me, because it's so ingrained on me.

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It's nice that you sung George, man. That's everybody's song. That's everybody's song. Well, no, Jay. TR is worried that if by chance, not to get morbid, but if it's TR and everyone standing there, he's hoping that George doesn't pull an Eddie Van Halen on him and drop the album in there with him. Or worse yet, maybe he's with me. Like, you know, we're in a car, Thelma and Louising, and he's like, change the channel.

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I have two requests when I die or demands when I die. One is that you spread my remains at the beach and the second one is that I not be cremated. Nice. Very nice. Yes, eviscerated. All right. So back a few more questions because I actually have more than I thought I did.

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Who introduced you to the music at the beginning? And that was this neighborhood kid named John Anderson, not the guy from Yes. We already did that last time. He was a grade older than me, and he wasn't particularly a close friend. So I really don't remember how this moment came about. But I'm kind of eternally grateful to him that it did, for whatever reason, this kid who never particularly took any kind of interest in me. And the only time I ever saw him was like,

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If everybody in the neighborhood was hanging out, for whatever reason, he's just like, here, take a couple of my really awesome tapes and hold on to them for a really long time. So, you know, kudos to you, bud. My whole next category is about that. It's called Bag, Burrow, and Steal. I like it. I like it. I have a little bit of that, yes. I like it. All right. So I want to get through a little more.

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I seem to have a lot left. So, um, what band or album made you think this is my identity? So me, my first few albums, I just picked up because I liked songs on the radio, you know, sticks and Michael Jackson. And then I ended up picking up old like ACDC and Sabbath albums. Cause I heard about them from people and, and, you know, but they were old. So those weren't really mine. I liked them, but they weren't mine.

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You know, it wasn't like this is me. And so the first album I can remember thinking, this is me. This is our Goonies time album. This is our time. Was Quiet Riot's Metal Health album. I got that when it first came out and I was like, yes, this is new. This is contemporary heavy metal rock and roll. And this is me.

01:26:58.080 --> 01:26:59.540
Come on, feel the noise.

01:26:59.720 --> 01:27:29.080
And this is me. And I remember in... I think it was like... The first heavy metal rock I did go to number one, by the way. But go ahead. Yeah. We had an art class in sixth grade, I think it was, when this came out. And while we would be doing stuff, the art teacher would let us put in tapes. And I remember bringing that in and saying, we're going to listen to Quiet Riot. Yeah. And everybody was like, boo.

01:27:32.300 --> 01:27:33.040
And, uh,

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where's the Gordon Lightfoot?

01:27:35.420 --> 01:27:35.600
Yeah.

01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:37.880
Dude, I like Gordon Lightfoot.

01:27:38.280 --> 01:27:38.860
Yeah, I do too.

01:27:41.900 --> 01:27:43.820
Sorry, that just suddenly spawned another, like,

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memory moment for a song.

01:27:46.440 --> 01:27:47.020
No, no, no.

01:27:47.460 --> 01:27:50.460
Just, you know, you, you talk about this stuff and, and,

01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:51.920
and things just sort of well up.

01:27:52.460 --> 01:27:52.600
Yeah.

01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:52.980
It's a problem.

01:27:53.340 --> 01:27:58.460
And, and, uh, another song that has a very definite,

01:28:00.660 --> 01:28:28.500
image in my mind tied to it, there was this payphone outside of my middle school. I like where this is going. It's like you come out the door and there's a payphone and you'd hang out there like you got to call your parents or something or we would use it to call it the radio stations and request music. Yeah, try to get tickets or try to win the contest. And I remember seeing the

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The Asia Album, Heat of the Moment, whenever I hear Heat of the Moment, I see that album cover and I think of that payphone because somebody showed me that album while I was standing there at the payphone. Yeah, that was everywhere that summer. Yeah. I have a very brief Metal Health story. It's very brief, I promise. And it's just that right when it was everywhere, my friend who lived across the cove, I lived on a lake and we used to literally go to each other's houses on John boats. And I was over and his parents bought him a

01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:00.280
case of Coke Classic every week.

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And he had an Atari.

01:29:02.280 --> 01:29:02.520
And so.

01:29:02.820 --> 01:29:04.220
Oh, baby.

01:29:04.660 --> 01:29:06.720
And his dad was the manager at a Pizza Hut.

01:29:06.940 --> 01:29:08.240
So this was the house to be in.

01:29:08.580 --> 01:29:09.260
Oh, yes.

01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:11.100
Yeah, Scott Gossie was his name.

01:29:11.120 --> 01:29:13.180
And me and all my brothers went over there and we'd hang out.

01:29:13.300 --> 01:29:14.400
I remember Scott had it.

01:29:14.580 --> 01:29:15.920
There was some guitar around the house.

01:29:16.940 --> 01:29:19.880
And he learned metal health, which is the easiest riff in the world.

01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:21.100
And I'll never forget.

01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.520
His dad came home from Pizza Hut.

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And his dad was always deadpan.

01:29:26.520 --> 01:29:56.480
and he comes in puts a pizza on the pool table he had a pool table and we're all like yeah pizza and he goes dad watch this and he plays metal health terribly and his dad just is leaning to the door jam the whole time and scott gets through just the opening bit you know and he plays it and then he looks up at his dad and he goes his dad says can you play it any slower because it was so bad but i'll never forget that nice yeah it's like maybe you needed a

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All right. So this next question brings us to another album that is absolutely imprinted on my soul. And the question was, did you ever feel like you found your people through a specific band or genre? Obviously the genre, we all know where that's headed, but it was probably 1984 when I truly started to find my people. Naturally being 1984, I was

01:30:26.520 --> 01:30:56.240
listening to the Van Halen album of the same year. And Quiet Riot, of course. But also Ozzy's Bark at the Moon, Motley Crue's Shout at the Devil, which of course was massive. Yeah. And then later in the year, Rats Out of the Cellar was another album that really imprinted on me. This is my band. This is new. This is me. I listened to Out of the Cellar a million freaking times. Like that was,

01:30:56.520 --> 01:31:25.000
When the dual cassette record AM FM thing, it would automatically flip the tapes for you. I would just put that in and just run it out of the cellar. And now every time I hear, even Round and Round, which was played to death, it's just warm fuzzies all over the place. Love it. That's good stuff.

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All right, I'll give, I'll cede the microphone back for a little while. Yeah, cede the floor. All right. Okay, so for my next one, I think we all have this as a commonality. This is definitely one of them. But what I decided to choose were the most important ones of this for me. And two of them ended up being definitely part of my persona for a reason.

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So I'm going to talk about live shows. We obviously all love live shows. Yep. But I want to talk about the ones that actually stand out that made an impression on me. I went to my first live show, I think in 1981 with my parents. Wow. So tie back to you, George. It was the Beach Boys. Woohoo! Ah! And I saw them. Jay, I don't know if this was still there, this venue, when you were out in the Bay Area. The Circle Star Theater in San Carlos, California. Not that I know of.

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It was in the round. We saw them. And that was my first show. And I just remember everybody dancing during certain songs, especially as we got towards the end, you know, when they're playing their hits. And I go back and I look at some set lists from back then. I don't know the exact date. I think it was in December of 1981. And it's like, they're all hits. It's like 30 hits here. You can't go wrong with the freaking Beach Boys. I mean, honestly. Well, now you can.

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with all the drama. But yeah, that was my first one. So I wanted to make reference that. I also saw them again at Candlestick Park when they played after a Giants game. So it was kind of wild. That was my first with parents. That lasted one concert. And then it was without parents. I was a free range concert goer at the age of 13. Oh my God. I was with Alex. Dude, don't start with me. Alex Mason.

01:33:24.400 --> 01:33:53.500
We were both 13. We went to the Cow Palace. I always bring this place up on both podcasts. Yep. In Daly City, California. You literally, when you cross the street from the Cow Palace here in San Francisco, March 1982, I saw Sammy Hagar on the Standing Hampton tour. Sammy's going to come up again a little bit. But yeah, it was the first tour I ever saw. The two of us, 13 years old, in a venue by ourselves with 13,000 other people. Dude.

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And I remember some people kind of like, hey, I think they're by themselves. We got to look out for them, surprisingly. And the warning was, so help me God if you get in trouble or you're not back at this car by the time this show's ever. And we were on that street corner before my mom got there. Or Alex's mom. I can't remember who his mom was. We weren't messing around. All right. So those are my two first concerts that left impression, but they're not the most important ones.

01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:52.720
these two are important is because I've seen these bands the most to the point where people actually have nicknamed me after one of these bands believe it or not so my first one is the first time I saw Porcupine Tree I saw them at near fest in 2001 at the Zollner Arts Center in Bethlehem Pennsylvania which is Lehigh University and that led to me seeing them 38 times since then or total all over the place I've toured I've followed them around

01:34:53.580 --> 01:35:23.520
I did a radio show that was devoted to Stephen Wilson's whole music discography and he knew about it believe it or not hardly anyone listened but it was a live live show we did on the internet back in the early days and it just kind of took me down this different kind of rabbit hole to the point where I was I've been very fortunate to meet and and know some of the guys in the band and it's not BS because TR has been there with me

01:35:23.580 --> 01:35:53.160
Yeah, dude. Thank you. I mean, yeah, we actually. I was part of the street team, dude. Yeah. Street team, all that. It just led to this whole world of people I didn't know. And that became part of who I was. I was like part of this porcupine tree world. And this is long before they became popular. I was into this band. This is long before, you know. The Opeth Connection. Yeah. New fans and all that stuff. So that was only.

01:35:53.560 --> 01:36:23.500
One Year Removed from that. But when I saw them the first time, but I was into them in the late 90s already, so I already knew who they were. And I'll never forget when I saw them at Near Fest, which was the Northeast Art Rock Festival, which was the big Prague Rock Festival every year for about 12, 13 years. I remember this guy, we all had his seats for the whole weekend. I had the same seat. And I remember this guy looking over at me afterwards, because when we first sat there, he said, hey, I'm such and so. I was like, hey, I'm John. I was by myself for the whole fest. And he said, who are you here to see?

01:36:23.560 --> 01:36:51.720
I said, oh, okay. I sort of know them. I was like, oh, no, that's a bad sign for my band. And afterwards he asked me, says, well, was it everything you'd hoped it would be? I said, yeah. And then some. So yeah, that one was important. It's still tied back to them. The next one would be on a very cold January 21st, 2003 on the Deliverance Tour. I saw Opeth at Jack's Nightclub.

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and TR and George know what I'm talking about there. Ah, Jax. Oh, Jax. J-A-X-X. That's right. In Springfield, Virginia. Yeah. West Springfield or whatever you want to call it. We saw Symphony X there a number of times. I've seen so many shows. I saw them there. Yeah. So that was a big deal because that's the first night I met those guys. Out back behind the Afghan restaurant. I met them standing in the freezer.

01:37:22.600 --> 01:37:52.220
my butt off. They were standing there like, well, it's only 23. It's not a big deal. You know? And the reason I was big is because I ended up, I've seen Opeth a lot. A few times. Over a hundred times. No, not a hundred times. But I've seen him a lot. Yeah. No, you've seen him at least a hundred times, haven't you? No, I haven't. It's over a hundred. But in excess of 50, for sure. Yeah. 64 times. I mean, it's a lot. I checked it out. 64 times. There we go. All right. Okay. And I missed my first show ever.

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just this year because I was sick. I was really pissed about it. And it was also one degree out that night. So I'm glad I think so. Yeah, dude, let me tell you about that. I know. You told me. I don't want to hear it. Anyway, that led me to literally following them everywhere. So I want to tie into real quick and I'll wrap up my section of live shows. Literally, X number of months later, there's an announcement, Opeth and Porcupine Tree are doing a joint tour.

01:38:22.600 --> 01:38:52.240
the US only. Yeah. For 16 shows. Oh. And I did nine of those shows. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I was going to go to a tent that I didn't go. But too many stories from that. But in the end, at the end of that year, I saw Opeth 15 times in six months. Which we were blessed back then to get that. But it ended up becoming a point where I met all these other people now from the Opeth world that I've known for years. Sure. And I got the nickname of Joe.

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It was initials J-O for John Opeth because I was always at Opeth shows all the time. I would just show up like, T.R. George, I don't know if you met her. You might have, but I know T.R.'s met her. Babs from Prog Power. So I once, I flew up to Buffalo and I didn't tell him I was going. And I was walking in line and it's freezing outside and I'm walking to get in line. Somebody else my name out and says, John. I turn around and it's this woman, Babs, that I see every year at Prog Power. She lives in Buffalo.

01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:51.740
What the hell are you doing here? I'm like, Opeth? Yeah, come on. Really? Seriously? To the point where I've tried. I ended up giving myself this name, and it's kind of silly, but I dubbed myself as a metal deadhead because I just followed them everywhere. Yeah, I know. A metal deadhead who had a job. There's a distinction right there. Yeah, and I've gone to see, Tiara and I went to Opeth in London, and I've been

01:39:51.760 --> 01:40:20.580
to London and Bristol to see Porcupine Tree. So I've traveled quite a bit for them. Not as much as I would have liked because there's a few shows I wanted to go to. But anyway, those I wanted to, the reason those were so important is I ended up going to so many shows, traveling all around to see them to the point where I was seeing people in cities that were only in those cities, you know, when I would go to these shows that I knew and ended up being very fortunate to get to spend some time with both bands.

01:40:21.300 --> 01:40:26.500
I think at least a whole strand of your DNA is the opeth strand yeah yeah

01:40:27.220 --> 01:40:30.840
literally I will look at a microscope and they're gonna be like is that spell something there

01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:37.600
is he related to Michael Ackerfeld it's probably like why don't they come to the states anymore and

01:40:37.680 --> 01:40:44.320
they're like there he is he's back he's doing another tour shit did you ever watch my uh

01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:50.580
interview I watched it that was so bad where was that again that was

01:40:50.580 --> 01:40:52.480
at Rams Head.

01:40:53.380 --> 01:40:54.200
Wow, is that that show?

01:40:54.520 --> 01:40:54.640
Yeah.

01:40:55.180 --> 01:40:55.320
Yeah.

01:40:56.100 --> 01:40:57.860
Wait, what year was that?

01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:00.940
Well, that was the one that...

01:41:01.120 --> 01:41:01.920
Is that the Bloodbath Show?

01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:02.760
The Bloodbath Show, yeah.

01:41:03.160 --> 01:41:03.520
Ooh.

01:41:03.860 --> 01:41:06.660
When they did the surprise Bloodbath set.

01:41:07.420 --> 01:41:07.780
Yes.

01:41:08.340 --> 01:41:08.860
That was awesome.

01:41:09.140 --> 01:41:09.720
And then...

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That was at Rams Head.

01:41:11.380 --> 01:41:11.580
Yeah.

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That's all said.

01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:13.060
Yeah.

01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:13.580
Yeah.

01:41:13.700 --> 01:41:13.800
Yeah.

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And that's the one where the promoters for Maryland Death Fest kept harping on.

01:41:19.100 --> 01:41:49.060
this will be the first ever official bloodbath show in america it's like yeah no no they did it no yeah and they pushed back and said that's not true it wasn't promoted and you can go to like catatonia and opus page our bloodbath page said we actually played our first official show in the united states you can find the tweet and everything for it you know i should look sorry suckers i i got in trouble because i was up on the balcony with my with my slr filming the whole thing

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And I filmed the bloodbath thing. And the Opeth set. And I have to leave it. Well, they, the security came up and said, Hey, you filming? And I was like, nah, but I got a, I got like a photo pass, you know, I'm just, I'm just setting my camera here. So I have it when I need it. And, uh, nice. Okay. So while George is talking, I'm showing these guys a picture. George. Oh yeah. That was after your picture. That was after your interview. And he's like,

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And he's like, this guy! Mike is sticking his tongue in my ear. Asking the stupidest questions! Now I'll change it, because I don't want to make it about me. But the YouTube comments on that interview, it was a filmed interview. That's right, there I am. They called it an interrogation, not an interview, because he's like backed into the... He literally just like woken up, he was backed into the corner of the room. It's not even a room, just like the area between the stage and the back.

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And he's off to the side trying to eat some breakfast while I'm interviewing him. Because he's like, all right, I'll talk to you while I'm eating. And it was horrible. But yeah, I should see if I've got that video anywhere. Yeah. I probably, I'm sure I pulled it off. But anyway, yeah, the security came up to me. I said that story already. But yeah, and I was like, oh, no, I'm not filming. Just taking pictures. You were probably standing right near us, I'm sure of it, that night. Yeah, because we were up there too. Yeah.

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So those are the live shows I wanted to bring. I babbled a little too much. I got a few more things to bring up, but I'll let go to you now, Jay. Well, I mentioned my category was big, borrow and steal. I was first making my own money. I would have been 13 or 14 mowing lawns, stuff like that. We lived in a resort area, so I could do that.

01:43:47.320 --> 01:44:17.240
it's long mode and stuff like that but you know i mean but previous to that money was not easy to come by and that kind of thing and so really what i'm getting in here is what as a young obsessed music fan you had to get it anywhere you could and so you mentioned this um when you were talking about the queensrike um tr and stuff and and out well so i'll start with a very specific place i'm not going to ramble on too long here but i um i used to ride at school

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I was way out of the country. It took 30-40 minutes to get to school with all the stops and everything. And there was a big tough guy, pot-smoking guy named Victor Taylor that used to ride the bus. And a fair amount of people were kind of scared of him. Everybody thought he was going to end up in jail kind of thing. He wasn't mean, but he was just, you know, kind of crazy. And I, but I was so, you know, hard up to find as much music as I could. I went and sat by him on the bus one day and I was like, I saw you carrying the,

01:44:47.260 --> 01:45:16.760
Scorpions tape, man. Like, what's that like? You know, because by this time I had Number of the Beast and some other stuff. And he had Blackout. I was like, and I was shameless. I need to hear that, please. I was shameless as a kid. And I was like, is there any way I can take that home? And to be completely fair to Victor Taylor, he said, yeah, man, go ahead. And he said, and I'll bring you some more, too. So it was because of him, I got to hear Scorpions for the first time.

01:45:18.060 --> 01:45:45.260
And he brought me some other stuff. And that was the whole of my connection to Victor Taylor. But that was, it was the tape trading days, as you know. And so there was that when things like Metal Forces started coming out and stuff. I was a tape trader. I did that because I was out of need. You know, like there was not, I could get some money and I could buy some things. And yet, when those underground days happened, it was hard to find underground stuff. So you had to do a tape trading.

01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.740
But I was just a shameless kid. I remember going to

01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:53.960
a friend of mine's house. And at this time, we would have been on the

01:45:54.160 --> 01:45:57.460
this would be the Shout of the Devil days and all that stuff, George, like you mentioned.

01:45:58.160 --> 01:46:03.820
And this was, first of all, this was important for me. And I don't know where he got it because he was a total hair metal kid.

01:46:04.620 --> 01:46:09.620
And we were going to bed in his bedroom and he put on Led Zeppelin 1, the album. And I was like,

01:46:10.160 --> 01:46:13.820
dude, like, and I knew of Led Zeppelin, but I had never

01:46:13.820 --> 01:46:43.800
really heard Led Zeppelin. And of course, I was like, would you mind if I took this home? You know what I mean? I was so shameless about that. After having seen you sneak into MDF, I don't find that hard to believe. Well, I was shameless about it, but I was also judgmental about it because they'd be like, yes. And I'd be like, why are you letting me take this? Like, don't you need this? You fool. 24 seven. That was my internal dialogue or internal

01:46:44.240 --> 01:47:13.800
but I was absolutely shameless it didn't matter who it was where it was they'd be like hey man I got that new record I'd be like can I borrow it you know what I mean like just to me that's my first question every time but the Zeppelin one was important though by the way because that got me past you know MTV metal and now I'm now I know that like Deep Purple is an actual thing that I might need to go about yes and I'd also like after the Zeppelin thing I it was probably two weeks and I was

01:47:40.740 --> 01:47:42.860
I was just resourceful that way.

01:47:42.900 --> 01:48:12.880
I was always, you know, I, this one too, this is well after I've sort of established myself as a metalhead and all this stuff and, and everything. And the hair metal thing was kind of dying, which I never really bought into 0.005% of that. But my friend, my very, very dear friend, somebody loaned him the Guns N' Roses record. And I was like, gosh, this, I've heard about this. So they hadn't hit big yet and everything. And I was like, I've kind

01:48:12.920 --> 01:48:42.880
I heard about this and everything and he was just I was like so he borrowed it from somebody I said and I said can I borrow that from you and and I remember that one too though because I remember coming back the next day and going dude did you even listen to this like this is the most amazing record I've heard in like 10 years so but I think it's just this like I said it's this forced resourcefulness and amazement with other people for not caring as much as I did for not

01:48:42.880 --> 01:49:12.860
going after this stuff like I was and not being as like I mentioned I took all the 45s in my house when I first got a record player nobody even noticed they were gone it was so crazy to me I never understood that and yeah so you're like a museum what's that you're like a museum well if you don't care about this statue we'll just chuck it across 3000 miles and keep it ourselves exactly right but what it of course the underlying thing there was this just

01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:42.860
I had a sensational need to hear the next thing, to have as much stuff to listen to as I could find. And you're my soulmate. I'm loving it so much. I've forgotten 50 people I've borrowed things off of. You know what I mean? Or I go to somebody's house and they'd have... I remember I went to my friend's uncle's house one time and he had... It was his girlfriend's house and she had Back in Black. And I knew she didn't even know she had it. And I...

01:49:42.880 --> 01:50:12.860
She had like 50 records and that was one of them. And I didn't ask for that. But I wanted to say, you don't care about this. Just give me this record. You know what I mean? You know, I can assure you, Jay, if in the 80s you had come to my house and tried any of that crap, you would not have walked out with any of my stuff. However, I was open to trade. If you had said, hey, here's this album, I'll let you listen to this while I listen to that, that I would love.

01:50:12.880 --> 01:50:16.440
I would have done. But there would be no, let me just take that.

01:50:17.020 --> 01:50:22.380
And I had those friends too. I had those friends where, um, where we would like tomorrow,

01:50:22.580 --> 01:50:42.820
you bring me this one and I'll bring you that one. And we would do that without question. Um, so I'm going to kind of end that part there. And I just wanted to mention one other thing, um, very briefly. And it's just that John was talking about night flight and in this kind of need to kind of always find things wherever you could. Um, it was always such a joy in pre-cable television.

01:50:43.760 --> 01:51:12.500
to turn on PBS or whatever it was. And suddenly there was, and sometimes not at 1030, like it was supposed to be. I mentioned last time we spoke and this happened. I got, had gotten Billy Squires. Don't say no. And I loved it. And I turned on the TV one Saturday morning. It was a Billy Squire concert. I was like, what is going on? And I love that album. I love that record. And I found this exact show that I watched. It was like PBS bought Don's, you know, Kirchner's thing.

01:51:13.300 --> 01:51:41.940
Yeah. And it was awesome. So I used, so I loved running into that kind of stuff. And then finally, I would just say that I would, we talked about taping things. I would, I would go and watch Friday night videos. And for some reason, you sometimes knew what was going to be on. Cause I remember thinking they're going to play Rocky like a hurricane tonight, which by the way, that was kind of where I got off the scorpions boat a little bit, but. What? And I set up my boom box in front of the TV and literally recorded speaker to speaker.

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And it was such a bad quality recording, but it was the only way I was going to have that song at my disposal at all times. And I've mentioned this one other time. This is the end of my story and the end of my part here. And it was that in the middle of recording Rocky Like a Hurricane, either me or my best friend, whose house I was at at the time, farted at a very... I knew you were going to say that. I knew it. Loudly at a very... And it was the night is down, man.

01:52:14.440 --> 01:52:15.320
It's just right there.

01:52:17.380 --> 01:52:19.620
You can never hear that song again the same way, can you?

01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:19.780
No.

01:52:20.580 --> 01:52:23.720
I still know exactly where the weird comes in on that song.

01:52:25.780 --> 01:52:30.680
And even though that was a hilarious hardship, I still listen to it.

01:52:30.700 --> 01:52:31.680
I was just like...

01:52:33.780 --> 01:52:34.160
Oh, yeah.

01:52:34.240 --> 01:52:35.040
You're not going to give it up.

01:52:36.220 --> 01:52:38.440
Rock me like a hurricane.

01:52:39.160 --> 01:52:41.100
But it had a little kind of like...

01:52:41.120 --> 01:52:44.220
It was sort of like a period of exclamation, and then an exclamation point.

01:52:46.380 --> 01:52:48.000
It breaks out loud.

01:52:49.320 --> 01:52:50.300
It was brilliant.

01:52:51.940 --> 01:52:57.080
But so anyway, like I said, Big Boy was still, but that was a big part of my life.

01:52:57.260 --> 01:53:05.520
And I mentioned it too, because it did ultimately transition into, you know, metal forces and literally doing the tape trader thing.

01:53:05.790 --> 01:53:06.840
You know, that was it.

01:53:06.850 --> 01:53:08.620
That was the early internet.

01:53:08.620 --> 01:53:38.260
I found my group of people out there who cared as much as I did, needed the stuff as much as I did, were willing to trade stuff for whatever stuff I had. And I still remember the guy who started me because I wrote to one guy. I was like, dude, I don't really have anything, you know, like, because everybody was looking for live shows and underground stuff. And he sent me Slayer live at some European festival. And then that was how I was able to start building my tape trading. And I would remind you too, and anybody listening that,

01:53:38.640 --> 01:54:08.440
When you lived in the tape trader world, you might have got something that was a 27th generation. Yeah. Yeah. Super crappy. Yeah. And you were grateful to have it. Well, yeah, but it was as good as you were going to get right now. But that's the way it worked in those days. Yeah. I'll defer to you. So, okay. So, John, you're talking about live shows and I've said this a few times on this podcast, but I was not able to go

01:54:08.660 --> 01:54:36.200
to shows when I was still in high school. My parents, unlike John, who was 13 and going to shows on his own. I was a free-range kid, baby. He was a free-range teenager. John's dad's name is Sonny Barger, just so you know. Oh, nice, George. He showed us one of his old tapes. Yeah. This is, I'm assumed tape traded. I got it from a guy that I worked with at Kroger.

01:54:38.640 --> 01:55:08.500
And I was like a Metallica fanatic. I'm sorry. And John and I both know that place. Yeah. We do. Yeah. And he was able to get me like probably four or five Metallica bootleg cassettes. And this one says, Metallica, The Stone, San Francisco, California, March 5th, 1983, Cliff's first show. Oh, The Stone? Yeah. By the way, also my birthday. Yeah. Wow. That's right. Wow. So, and yeah, and I've got other ones. There's The Bus Has No Brakes, which we've talked about before.

01:55:08.620 --> 01:55:10.740
which I thought was this massive

01:55:11.640 --> 01:55:12.360
known bootleg

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because it was about Cliff

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and the buzz.

01:55:16.260 --> 01:55:18.240
But I can't find anything about it anywhere.

01:55:18.820 --> 01:55:19.180
Wait, wait.

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Wow.

01:55:19.540 --> 01:55:21.020
So I'm assuming it's Cliff's last show.

01:55:21.640 --> 01:55:22.680
I believe so, yeah.

01:55:24.940 --> 01:55:25.880
That's a techie name.

01:55:26.780 --> 01:55:27.520
Yes, it is.

01:55:28.020 --> 01:55:28.960
Yeah, that's bad.

01:55:31.620 --> 01:55:33.580
And some other shows anyway.

01:55:34.050 --> 01:55:35.020
And I still have this.

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It's sitting right here.

01:55:36.420 --> 01:55:36.620
Wow.

01:55:36.980 --> 01:56:04.700
I should listen to this. You need to digitize that. Yeah. That's probably out there somewhere. I'm sure. Anyway, sorry to interrupt. Yeah, no problem. So, you know, my parents were kind of overprotective. And so I was not able to go to concerts while I was still in school. I feel your brother. Dude. And so I was not able to go to a show until I graduated.

01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:07.960
Wow.

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And I saved up all my money.

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And I paid a scalper.

01:56:15.460 --> 01:56:20.240
To be able to go to see Van Halen on the 5150 tour.

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Seventh row.

01:56:22.380 --> 01:56:23.700
My buddy Jason.

01:56:25.220 --> 01:56:32.220
And I'm telling you, that was like one of the most awesome shows I have ever seen in my life.

01:56:33.080 --> 01:57:01.120
That was so cool because, first of all, it was my first concert ever. And I was seventh row. How much did you pay? $100. Which is a lot of money. Yeah, in 1986, that was a crap ton of money, dude. Tickets were probably like $12, $15 normally. Yeah, yeah. The shows back then, yeah, were $12 or $15. Yeah, that's about right.

01:57:05.099 --> 01:57:33.040
The t-shirts were pretty much in line with what the ticket price was. The t-shirts at the time were like $12 or $15, something like that. I'm telling you, and I've said this a few times on this podcast, my earliest memories are from

01:57:33.080 --> 01:58:03.040
1984, I remember people coming back with U2 Unforgettable Fire t-shirts, Sammy Hagar VOA t-shirts. I remember t-shirts from different concerts that I could not go to. And it was killing me. Sorry, Tara. I was at both of those tours. I know. I don't doubt it. And dude, I could not go to either of those shows. And there were probably

01:58:03.060 --> 01:58:32.960
50 more shows that I could name for you of all the people that came in those t-shirts the next day to school that I saw and I could not go because my parents would not let me go to those shows. I feel that pain too. And dude, if you want to talk about something that got burned into your DNA, that got burned in my DNA. And because ever since then, I have gone to every freaking show.

01:58:33.060 --> 01:59:02.120
that I could go to since that time. FOMO. Yeah. Total FOMO because like, yeah, there was no way I was not going to go to shows that I was not going to be able to go to. Like, like I was, I, after that, I was like, there's no way I'm missing any shows anymore because like I got kind of stymied by my parents.

01:59:03.220 --> 01:59:05.040
of all these shows.

01:59:05.200 --> 01:59:09.500
And it kills me now to think about all these shows from like the,

01:59:10.100 --> 01:59:11.220
from like 83,

01:59:12.030 --> 01:59:15.000
even before like John fricking was going to 1981.

01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:18.820
Like I'm sure you saw a fricking mob rules or all that stuff.

01:59:19.360 --> 01:59:19.460
80.

01:59:19.840 --> 01:59:20.180
Yeah.

01:59:20.340 --> 01:59:20.460
Well,

01:59:20.460 --> 01:59:21.300
I did see mob rules.

01:59:21.390 --> 01:59:21.500
Yes.

01:59:21.780 --> 01:59:21.920
Yeah.

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But that was 82 for me.

01:59:23.920 --> 01:59:24.140
Yeah.

01:59:24.340 --> 01:59:24.720
Well still,

01:59:25.070 --> 01:59:25.340
I mean,

01:59:25.450 --> 01:59:25.820
you know,

01:59:26.260 --> 01:59:26.400
dude,

01:59:26.580 --> 01:59:28.340
Diary of Madman tour for Ozzy.

01:59:28.820 --> 01:59:29.000
Yeah.

01:59:29.760 --> 01:59:30.320
You know,

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it's like,

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It kills me because I totally missed all that stuff. And it's always going to probably eat at me. And for that reason, pretty much after I was able to go to any show I could go to, there were a number of shows that I can tell you that were really kind of instrumental or kind of were significant to me.

02:00:00.120 --> 02:00:28.240
Some of the biggest shows that I remember that were really big. Genesis on the Invisible Touch Tour. Now, I know people are going to scoff at Invisible Touch, but they were still playing some of the cool medley stuff that was going on. That was the only cool thing they played at that show. Exactly. And, you know, they were still playing some of the old stuff on that tour.

02:00:28.500 --> 02:00:57.100
And thankfully, I got to see that at Veterans Stadium when they played on that tour. Did you get Apocalypse 9-8 at that show? I'm not sure. I can't remember now. I'd have to look back to be 100% sure, but I can't recall. I'll also say that in 1987, I got to see Pink Floyd at JFK Stadium, and that was awesome.

02:00:57.840 --> 02:01:26.640
I remember the Monsters of Rock tour with Van Halen, Scorpions, Metallica. That was actually before Dokken was on that tour. I saw a story about this with George Lynch recently. They went on after Metallica. They were the third band.

02:01:27.860 --> 02:01:29.760
I'm not happy about that because he was like

02:01:30.620 --> 02:01:32.060
wait we can't follow these guys man

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they can't do that and then have us go up

02:01:34.360 --> 02:01:35.380
there yeah well

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kingdom come was first

02:01:37.950 --> 02:01:38.080
yeah

02:01:39.780 --> 02:01:40.300
yeah

02:01:41.830 --> 02:01:41.960
yeah

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talk about the biggest ripoff

02:01:44.570 --> 02:01:44.700
yeah

02:01:45.940 --> 02:01:47.480
yeah it's like Zeppelin

02:01:47.570 --> 02:01:49.660
they were well respected and liked and stuff

02:01:50.200 --> 02:01:51.920
yeah I mean they weren't bad

02:01:51.990 --> 02:01:52.900
I mean they weren't awful

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but yeah so

02:01:55.320 --> 02:01:56.880
I tell you what though

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That show in 1988, I saw more people I knew at that show from college and various friends from high school and various other people just running into people that I knew. That show was so cool to me. I got to say, that stands out in my mind as one of the greatest shows that I've ever seen. Because first of all, the Scorpions piece of that was amazing.

02:02:26.880 --> 02:02:56.640
The Metallica piece of that, that was before Injustice had come out. So they were playing stuff off Injustice before the album was even out. So that was an awesome show. That's funny you mention that because strangely George Lynch mentioned that in his interview. Oh, is that right? Yeah, he was talking about, he was like, the record that broke him wasn't out yet.

02:02:56.720 --> 02:03:00.500
but they were still impossible and he was saying it was done but they agreed to do this tour

02:03:03.000 --> 02:03:08.980
well i you know i thought docking was pretty good i mean i enjoyed it but like you know i like them

02:03:09.240 --> 02:03:16.620
anyway you know i i was into them well they've got him he he's great um george george lynch he's amazing

02:03:17.040 --> 02:03:21.840
oh yeah he's an incredible guitarist yeah and they i i discovered them only a couple years ago

02:03:22.050 --> 02:03:26.680
really like truly discovered them i was like oh man these guys are actually pretty good yeah i love

02:03:26.680 --> 02:03:56.160
Tooth and Nail. Yeah. Under Lock and Key. That's a good album. You know, like they back for the attack is good. It is. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Like, you know, I kind of, you know, I had kind of forgotten about them, but I kind of went back because, you know, here's the thing. I actually bought the vinyl for that, but I never went back and bought the CDs. Yeah. And and when I listened to that stuff again, I was like, wow, this is actually really good. And I was sort of like.

02:03:56.700 --> 02:04:01.040
or something like that, there was more substance there than the eye.

02:04:01.320 --> 02:04:02.120
Yes, absolutely.

02:04:02.580 --> 02:04:04.180
And you could easily miss that.

02:04:04.280 --> 02:04:07.400
If you just saw one of the videos, you might be like, that's just some weird hair metal band.

02:04:07.460 --> 02:04:07.840
Right, yeah.

02:04:08.280 --> 02:04:12.460
You could lump them in with a bunch of those hair metal bands, but they were better than that.

02:04:12.620 --> 02:04:16.620
And it's a shame that they kind of got lumped in with that because I felt like they were better.

02:04:17.120 --> 02:04:17.420
They were.

02:04:18.100 --> 02:04:43.800
So, again, keeping with the live shows, one of the things that I wanted to mention was something that we call rock summits. So my buddy Colin, who was my locker partner in high school, he moved down to Florida back when, you know, we were back in, you know, after we got out of college. He moved down to Florida.

02:04:45.120 --> 02:05:11.880
And he was the guy that played the warning for me in my high school parking lot, 70 Dodge Dart. So when he moved down to Florida, it was like, dude, whenever some tour would come around, he'd either come up to Philadelphia to see a show with me, or I'd go down to Florida to see a show with him. And we called it a rock summit.

02:05:13.000 --> 02:05:41.660
And so we went to a number of shows together where we would travel to see, you know, whatever our favorite artist was on whatever tour it was. So we saw like Rush, Queensryche, you name it, like Iron Maiden, whatever it was. If they were playing down there and it was like a weekend, I would go down there. If they were playing up here and it was a weekend, he would come up here. So we did a bunch of what we call rock summits.

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And that has been awesome. Like for close to 20 years, we've been doing that. Probably more than that. Since 1989 really was the first rock summit that we did. And in terms of like live shows that were kind of monumental to me, one of them has to definitely be, I mentioned earlier, the Pink Floyd show at JFK in 1987.

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on the Momentary Lapse Tour. That was incredible. I'll never forget that show. That was amazing. The other show that I want to mention is Tool on the Lateralis Tour. I got taken to a whole other level of consciousness on that tour. That's one of mine too. I can't state enough how... I had never...

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to that show, I don't think I had ever been transported to another level of consciousness.

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Without the weed.

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Without it.

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Trust me, I did not smoke any weed.

02:06:59.579 --> 02:07:11.660
I don't really, I can't, there's no other way to put it other than this, just this band

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playing music and the live action that was taking place on stage took me to a different level of consciousness.

02:07:21.350 --> 02:07:22.820
It might have been a contact buzz.

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Maybe it was.

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Trust me, there was plenty of something in the air.

02:07:29.010 --> 02:07:41.640
But I will say that in all seriousness, this show was done in such a way that I...

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I did not I don't think prior to that I had ever seen anything like that and I don't think I've seen anything like it since then um I I have one to offer for first because I want to back you up on that first yeah because that I saw them in Kansas City on that tour and it might have been the first show of the tour but I don't know why I'm telling myself that this but in any case I was deeply moved by it it was yes when you had them at during schism did they have the two acrobats come out that were in the video

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Yeah. Yeah. They were on stilts and the whole thing. The whole thing. Yeah. So now that I, just briefly, and I won't, I'm not going to cut you off here much. I just, that's the only other time where I saw visuals so matched up was Nine Inch Nails. They had, they have this one song whose title can't recall right now, but they had this video that was so, and it's a song that builds and builds until it explodes. And it, I was like, this was, it was, it blew me away.

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It just amazed me so much. That was probably the closest I ever saw to the Tools production. I can't comment on that because I never saw Nine Inch Nails, but I can tell you that that Tools show kind of changed my understanding of what a live show could be. Wait, did you just say you never saw Nine Inch Nails? Yeah. Yeah, you have. I did. Something with me. Oh, that's right.

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Yeah, with the Jane's Addiction tour. Yeah, Ninja. I forgot. No, you're right. Continue. Yeah, dude. Yeah, you're right. But the thing was, I really wasn't into Nine Inch Nails that much. They were awesome in life, though. Yeah, they were good. When was that? What era was that? That was like 2009, I think. Yeah. Sometime in there. Yeah. Because I was more into the Jane's Addiction piece of it.

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And actually, some of the Jane's Addiction shows, I remember being kind of really transcendent as well. The early ones. Yes. Before he left the first time, they were great. No, even some of the later shows where they did Three Days, like Three Days was an incredible experience live. It's their best song. That is. Yeah. And so, and I'm trying to think of like other live shows, just

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So that I can kind of, you know, put a bow on this, but like, oh, and so as an addition to this, one of the things that I wanted to mention was like, while when I was in my 20s, I would wait after the shows to get autographs and pictures. So like I would stand around waiting like over at the bus, like for the artists to come out. And, and, and, and back then they would, you know, like they, you know,

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This was prior to any of the VIP stuff that exists now. If you stood around long enough, they'd come out and they'd sign stuff. They'd take a picture with you. That kind of thing. Back then, I did a bunch of that and got to meet a bunch of my rock and roll heroes and had them sign some of my stuff.

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and one of the things that I haven't mentioned yet, but like back in the 90s, once I had a job, it was like, oh, I can buy whatever I want now. You know, I don't have to ask my parents for a bunch of money. I can like, you know, do this on my own. And so I would go to record stores and record shows back in the early 90s. And I was collecting, you know, hard to find.

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items from my favorite artists, like 45s with unreleased B-sides or live tracks, picture discs, imports. I remember like Genesis Three Sides Live. I didn't know that there was a, you know, a Genesis Three Sides Live release with a fourth live side, which, you know, at the time it was like, oh my God, there's a whole fourth live side. This one goes to one more. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, I went and found that and, you know, got that. So, yeah.

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There was a whole period of time there when I was going to record shows and collecting a bunch of stuff that, you know, either imports or various things that were not readily available that were kind of cool to have or things that I was interested in for artists that I liked. You know, I have to share my heartbreak story with you because my parents, we lived, first of all, we lived in the middle of the country for a great portion of my life. When we moved to Tucson,

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It was the senior year in high school. And the and I was sort of heartbroken because I wasn't going to graduate with all my friends and stuff. But the one thing I was like, Oh, I'm gonna be able to see concerts now. But the heartbreak story is that we I would have been eight years old. This is true story. And somehow my sister who didn't give a hoot about anything was offered a ticket to kiss. And this was negotiated at the last minute and we were in Madison doing I don't know what we live in Wisconsin at the time.

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And I don't know what we were doing. Probably went out for a family meal or something. And then somehow she's talking to my parents when I was like, you know, Connie's going to kiss. And she said, if I could come, I can have a ticket and everything, blah, blah, blah. And I don't know that I've ever gotten over the fact that I was in the parking lot. That this was all dropped on me at the last minute that we're about to be next to the building where kiss is inside and you're not going in. You know what I mean? Like, I was just like,

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I was such a casual music fan. And I'll never forget that drive home. I just thought she's back there now. She's going to see Kiss and I'm going home. I was eight years old, but I didn't matter, dude. And the next morning she of course slept a little late. And I was already an audiophile or a, you know, audiophile in the sense of, you know, memorizing liner notes and stuff at eight years old and stuff. And so I'm, I'm expecting her to come.

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and tell me what songs they played. And she doesn't even know what they played. You know what I mean? All she could tell me was they all got in a line and moved the guitars like this once. You know what I mean? I was like, what good are you? You know? So, yeah. That was the Dynasty tour, though, so no Love Lost, I guess, but still. It broke my heart, man. And Jay, to this day, you still hate Connie. I do, I do. That's great. I mean, I still, I can't remember, I'm sure I didn't say it out loud, but there was something inside of me that wanted to say, am I crazy?

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here are six of us in this car. Which one of us likes Kiss? Yeah, who's the biggest Kiss fan here? And I know I don't know your friends, but let's not waste the ticket on you. Yeah, but let's get past that. Let's be honest about this whole thing. And somewhere in my logic was that they would be like, yes, let's take Alyssa's eight-year-old brother to the concert with us. Yeah. What were they, like, well into their teens? But I probably was convinced if my parents just tried Huntsman

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There must be some tickets available now. Yeah. What's going to happen? Nice. All right. Okay, George, more questions from the AI. Yes. So, uh, what's the most obsessive thing you've done for music? Well, we've heard a few of these things already. Um, I'm not exactly sure when the obsessive compulsive

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need to collect music took over.

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But I do know that within my first few purchases,

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I decided music was more important than food.

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And I started saving up my lunch money so I could buy more albums.

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I went from being the newbie with no collection to the guy running out of storage pretty quickly.

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And, you know, the Columbia House folks definitely helped with that.

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Yeah, one cent. Boom.

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And it's been obsessive ever since.

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Did anybody ever buy anything past that one cent from Columbia House?

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Yeah.

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Oh, I did.

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Yeah, I stayed with them for at least a year or something.

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Then I got bored with it.

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I bought stuff, yeah.

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Okay.

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But, you know, since I generally had to be the one to seek out and find bands, it became a mission.

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I definitely had some FOMO.

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So this one's been mentioned a few times now.

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What was your first concert?

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And I touched on this a little bit, I think, last time as well.

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But my first concert was David Lee Roth and Tesla at Chrysler Arena in Ann Arbor, Michigan.

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You could do worse than that.

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Yeah, you could.

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As T.R. was talking about things that you wanted to go to, but your parents wouldn't let you, I wanted to go to Ozzy and Metallica on the Ultimates and Master of Puppets tour, but denied. And, you know, I knew about this because I saw the ad in the newspaper, as one did. Also, so that came and went, and actually, that was probably after. My first time, I think, was the Deep Purple,

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Perfect Strangers Tour was also coming. You went to that? No, I wanted to. Parents wouldn't let me. Wow, that would have been awesome. That was one I knew about too, but I was... I didn't go either. My parents didn't have to say, no, we were four hours from concert venues, but that was one that I knew about that would have mattered to me to get there. And so, yeah, why this ties in, because most shows in Michigan came to Detroit. And Detroit was just out of the

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question for young george uh but that was on your parents side they could just be like is the

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right dude we're not going to detroit yeah but chrysler arena and ann arbor michigan well that was that was just down the road and you know it's literally next door to the big house where the michigan wolverine football team plays um yeah like when you said just on the road like literally just on the road i mean like 15 20 minutes

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down the road.

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And so that was probably the only reason we got to go to this show.

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And it was me and a few of my friends,

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friends I still have today.

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And one of their moms took us.

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We didn't know about earplugs or how loud it would be.

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We had no idea what to expect.

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So what?

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It was a shock to say the least when Tesla came on.

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And then of course it got even louder when Dave came on.

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This was Dave's Eat Em and Smile album and Tesla's Mechanical Resonance. I like that record. I remember being so stoked because originally it was supposed to be, I believe, Andy Taylor opening the show. Oh, wow. Really? And I was like, I don't know who that is. And I think somebody was like, hey, he's that guy from Duran Duran. And I was like, I don't know him. And I didn't know. I didn't like Duran Duran.

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Under Dave.

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Okay.

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But then for whatever reason, it was switched to Tesla.

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And I had just heard about them on the Metal Shop radio show.

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So I was super stoked to see them.

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Anybody else notice that David Lee Roth suddenly got 35 years older?

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Like now?

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Yeah, he looks bad.

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He looks like an old man.

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I know it was a little rough for the reunion, but he aged.

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Yeah.

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Some friends of mine were like, are you going to see him on this tour?

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I'm like, yeah, I pretty much like, there's nothing that's going to beat the Eat Em and Smile tour. Yeah. Yeah. George, like that was about the loudest concert I ever after. Actually, that was the show that convinced me that I need to wear earplugs. Yeah. For every show. And the opener for my show was Cinderella. Oh, yeah. I was, I was, I was like half tempted to go see Bon Jovi just so I could see Cinderella when it was the Slippery When Wet tour and Night Songs, I think.

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Okay. Yeah. Cause I really, I got the vinyl for night songs and, uh, I was like, that's another one. I wasn't a big fan of theirs, but you can forget about them. And they were kind of big, man. Like the, all the records was kind of a hit Cinderella. Yeah. The first album, I liked it, but I didn't love it. And I was like, these guys look so cool. And all that long pink stuff with the hairspray. Oh my God. Um, but then long cold winter, they went much bluesier.

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And of course, Heartbreak Station was even bluesier than that, a little more country even. And yeah, I really liked the next couple albums. Did I tell you the story about the guitar player that I hung out with from Cinderella? I don't know. Yeah, what was his name? Jeff? Freddie Corey? No. I'm embarrassed I know that. I get that right. Fred Corey? Is it Freddie Corey? Jeff Labar. Jeff Labar.

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He's dead now. He's dead? Yeah, Jeff Labar. He died a few years ago, I think. 2021, yeah. Was he the one with the big palm tree hairdo? No, he was... I think that was the bass player, Eric. What band was Fred Corian? He was the drummer for Cinderella. Oh, okay. So, okay. At least I got... I was in the right neighborhood. Yeah, so... So this was... God.

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20 years ago, at least, a friend of mine who's a musician was looking for somebody to jam with. And apparently Jeff Labar was looking for something, you know, that was not 80s. He was looking for new people to jam with. And he was dating somebody that my friend knew was friends with, you know, friend of a friend thing.

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Oh, wow. And so I'm at, I'm, I was at my job and my friend and I worked together and this was like my first it job. And at lunch in our freaking polos and slacks went to this place. I want to say it was like Montgomery village area. Uh, and went to this chick's apartment and there's Jeff LaBarre, like all like hung over and like, you know, Hey guys, how's it going?

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And I was all like nervous. I like brought my long cold winter CD and I was like, sign this. And, and he just, we just like hung out with him because they were like talking music and trying to figure out if they wanted to jam together. You know, I had like a fifth degree, maybe six degrees from Rob Halper. Cause he was in Phoenix and I knew somebody who knew somebody who knew him and blah, blah, blah, which I know. Right. Yeah. I know. But so there was the vague chance of meeting him and it never, it never came through.

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except for that at the very least this person really didn't know him because i heard rob was gay long before it was ever public and um and i tell this story simply because there was a guy i worked with and we were talking about judas priest one time and um he goes and i said right and we got to talk about i said yeah i said rob alfred's gay you know and he goes really and i said yeah he lives in phoenix and so forever then after that he would say to me we would be if it came up and somebody was gay

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I'd be like, hey, did you know that guy's gay? And he'd go, why? Does he live in Phoenix? So I meant, if you're from Phoenix, you're gay. You never let me live that down. Good thing you lived in Tucson. Yeah, that's exactly right. All right, so my follow-up question here was, what was the first concert that blew your mind?

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This first concert was, of course, eye-opening and amazing. The first truly metal concert that I went to, which was, I think, my next concert, I went from David Lee Roth to Megadeth. So far, so good, so what? Very cool. I saw them at the Royal Oak Music Theater in Royal Oak, Michigan. Oh, yeah. That was a raging show. I, of course, loved Megadeth, but this was when I realized I needed to start paying more attention to

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Bands? Because, and it's funny because this came up earlier, but the openers for the show were Warlock for their Triumph and Agony album and Sanctuary doing Refuge Denied. Oh, man. That would have been great to see that. And yeah, I was like, oh my gosh, the openers are just as cool. You know? And at the time, it was sort of like the standard was like the opener, or sorry, the headliner, but two openers.

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And so I was always like, oh, you know, who are we going to get? Who are we going to get? Because they didn't always put it on the tickets. Sometimes they did. Sometimes they didn't. Right. And yeah, after that, I was like, oh, my gosh, I'm here for the openers just as much as, you know, and so many people are, they just skip opening bands. Even now they just skip opening bands and show up for the headliner. And while as an old fart, I truly appreciate that now, I still wouldn't do it.

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So, uh, and then, you know, we waited out behind the venue for Dave, uh, you know, and he actually came out while we were there, but he quickly walked to the bus, citing the flu, uh, for not hanging out with people. Um, and, uh, but you know, 16 year old me got to walk alongside him and that was pretty cool. Yeah. So did you say, what do you mean? You're sick with the flu?

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The Heroin Flu. Yeah. Um, another moment, a live moment that was spiritual. And this is, yeah, my friend Josh and I, and he was on the Metalheads podcast once, we talk about this show and I've talked about it before and I'm going to probably talk about it till the day I die. Um, but one of the most unique and memorable shows I've ever seen was Typo Negative on the Bloody Kisses Tour.

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Flint, Michigan.

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John's like, I gotta, I gotta hear this story again.

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Along with another band that I was coming to love, Life of Agony.

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Typo and a few of other openers that I don't quite recall.

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I know Josh does.

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They played the lobby of the Capitol Ballroom in Flint, Michigan.

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And we were so confused when we walked in.

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It was, it was amazing.

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But we didn't, we were like, why are we in the lobby?

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And I actually felt like something was wrong. And like maybe the show wasn't going to happen. Because I was like, why are we on here? But I didn't. And I actually didn't even realize this until many, many years later. But apparently the lobby was a legit subvenue within the theater for smaller acts. So we thought we were getting something special. But it was kind of like that upstairs room in Philly where Decibel does the pre-fest stuff. It's like, it's the venue, but it's,

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It's a smaller room. Yeah. But, you know, at the time we thought it was this amazing miracle and it was pretty awesome. So. So what genres did you start with versus where you landed? You know, when I started out, I was into Michael Jackson and a lot of other 80s pop and rock. And I even had a very brief stint where I enjoyed early rap music.

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What the heck is the name of that band? Run DMC? No, no, like before that. Grandmaster Flash. Sugar Hill Gang. No, the song was called Jam On It. Jam On It. Oh, Apache. Was it? Apache? No. Hold on. Give me a second. I'm going to find this. I'll look it up. Jam On It. I thought Apache did that. No, it's...

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Nucleus. Oh, okay. I'm Cosmo D from outer space. I've come to rock the human race. I do it right because I can't do it wrong. That's why the whole world is singing this song. Jam on it. Obviously, I listened to that a few times because 40 odd years later, I can still remember all that. And I saw both Breaking and Breaking 2 Electric Boogaloo in the theater. I totally wanted to have parachute pants and learn how to break down.

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Did you get a pair? I had a pair of pairs. I did not. I never did. Thank you. Luckily, nobody would allow me to do that. But while I wanted to do that, I also had a Black Sabbath painter's hat. Remember those? Oh, I had a painter's hat. I had actually a couple of painter's hats. And a Quiet Riot Velcro wallet. Nice. I had a great deal of merchandise that came from the county fair. Yes. And I had like a mirror.

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The mirror with the band thing on it. Really bad. Oh yeah, I had those too. We used to go to the mall in Springfield, Missouri. What's that dump store? The one where you would go to a lava lamp. Yeah, Spencer's. And the Spencer's, they used to have this weird little heavy metal thing. And one thing was a local guy, I guess he was a local, who went and took photographs at concerts and he sold the photographs there. And I would go and buy it.

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I like 10 photos from concerts. Cool. Yeah, I remember. Those were cool. I mean, I just, I was like, I'm the only one who has this photo, which of course was not true, but you know. Yeah, yeah. I remember getting this stuff at some shop at the mall and I don't even know what it was called. It wasn't like a big shop. It was almost like a merch booth at the mall because it was just like a table and there's like some stuff behind him and you know, they had painter's hats and velcro wallets and they probably had patches, but in the 80s it was more about pins. Yeah, patches.

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You know, I remember buttons and pins. And I got some buttons, but I was more into the pins. I remember I got the like Ozzy Osbourne Bark at the Moon enamel pin, which I thought was just cool as hell. And I got some other ones too, but that was probably my favorite one. And I remember putting that on my hat. I don't have them anymore, but I had up until maybe five years ago, I had some Chewbops. You remember Chewbops? They were records, little records. I had a piece of gum that was

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shaped like a record. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember that. I don't remember that. Yeah, there was like the ones I remember, like they had Blondie and there were a couple of Kiss records and stuff. And you would go and buy them at Walmart. They were just in the candy aisle called Chewbops. And it was like a little small version of the record cover and then a piece of terrible gum that was shaped like an LP. Wow. I don't recall that, but that's cool. That sounds cool. I feel like I would have bought that.

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You would have that trust me. I would have been all over that, but I don't remember seeing that. Yeah, they were awesome, man. Do you guys still have another round of stuff to do? I have one, but I'll make it very quick. I have one quick one. I have a few things. I'm just trying to figure out where to break. I actually skipped over something, and this one's pretty short, so I'll do this, and then I'll break. Did you ever defend a band like it was your job?

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Every single day of my life. That's right. That's right. In small town. I'm putting the chew bops thing in the thing. You need to look at it. Okay. Yeah. Cool. In small town, Michigan, hard rock and metal was not popular. So it didn't take long for me to develop a defensive attitude toward the music I loved. Adults condemned it. The popular crowd looked down their nose at it. Only a few of us faithful seemed to truly understand the power of this music. And, you know,

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On top of that, we had the whole satanic panic going on. And so there was, you know, if you were a heavy metal fan, there was no way that you were not like a soldier of metal defending your music because everybody was looking to crap on it in the 80s. Yeah, that's true. So. Definitely true. You can, it's so many things about our time and everybody's time that are hard to get across to people about how it was and stuff. The satanic panic thing was

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was a very real thing. I mean, there were, um, it was, you know, and it was partially because we did not live in this internet world. So what you knew about Ozzy and all these different people is not that much, you know, I mean, other than record covers and the stories. He bit the head off a bat. He threw a puppy into the audience and said he wouldn't play until they ripped it to pieces. All that stuff. And so that was like a real thing. I mean, people were unnerved and people believed things were going on, you know? Right. Not going to lie.

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I played it up a little bit too. I thought it made me look kind of cool. Exactly. Yeah. You know, I'm dangerous. Don't mess with me. Well, you know, so just to get to that point, I think you guys remember like there wasn't a lot of information, you know, people today who have the internet take it for granted that you can just find out whatever you want about a band. But back when we were growing up,

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There wasn't any information. It was monthly magazines and they were kind of bubblegumny. It was Rolling Stone. It was Cream. There were a couple other... Hip Parader. Circus, I thought, was sort of a scale Hip Parader. Right. And those magazines were kind of like your only kind of connection to these bands.

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around these bands that, like, I feel bad because today, like, there's no mystery at all. Like, you see them, like, going to the grocery store or whatever. Like, it's, like, you know, stuff that's, like, totally not rock and roll. And you're seeing, like, these guys, like, you know, whatever, having, like, an ice cream cone somewhere.

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You know, I mentioned, T.R., the not seeing people moving.

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Yes.

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This best friend of mine in school, this would have been about 1981 or something. His mom's friend had gone to a Kiss concert in the 70s and taken approximately one minute of reel-to-reel Super 8 video of the show. No sound whatsoever. And it was terrible. And I watched it a hundred times. There was no sound whatsoever.

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Yeah. And that was the only way you could see them live, moving. Yeah, exactly. And you would hear stories about Van Halen trashing hotel rooms. You could hear stories about Led Zeppelin destroying whatever, throwing TVs out of third floor stories down into the pool. But there was no evidence.

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There was no proof. There was no pictures. There was no video. There was nothing. All you had was what somebody said happened. And it was like, oh, my God, that's amazing. Like, who could, you know, like, how did they get away with this? Like, you know, what? And it didn't matter because it's like, you know, Van Halen trashed this hotel and they paid the $10,000 or whatever it was to, you know, to take care of the damage. It's like it was nothing to them.

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You know, you know, was like a drop in the bucket from like whatever they were pulling in from their shows. And and that kind of stuff, like I remember just thinking to myself, you know, you didn't really know. Like there was a level of mystery and there was a level of of separation. Yes. Separation that you just you know, you don't have today.

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Well, you know what we lost? I often tell this to people. Well, no, I don't often tell it to people, but I'm going to tell it to you. And it's one of the things we lost on when the internet came, and I regret it personally. It's cool that Bandcamp exists, and there's all these things where you can do music and get it out there and all that wonderful stuff. Likewise, that you could read every little aspect, and now even half of them to stay relevant and have their own Instagram pages, so they're just

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on a daily basis, Sammy Hagar's like, hey, look, this is my pool. You know what I mean? Like, whatever, like stuff you never would have seen. But what we lost when the internet came was editors and gatekeepers. And I know people hate editors and gatekeepers, but the editors kept things honest. Ombudsman kept things honest. And editors chose what kind of got out into the world. And honestly, we were kind of better for it in a lot of ways because it didn't, not everything just flooded out. And I'm not saying that,

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But you're talking about one of the victims, which is the mystery.

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Yes, the mystique. When you lose that mystique, it takes something away from it. It's a shame because we're in an age now where everybody knows the whole set list from the first night. Everybody knows what they say in every show. Van Halen used to say the same stuff at every show.

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and everybody didn't know that they were hearing it for the first time.

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You know what I mean?

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Nobody rocks like Screams.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mentioned to you the disappointment of seeing my first concert and sort of feeling like, well, the veil has been lifted.

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And that was part of it, was that everything previous to that moment was made up in my head.

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Yeah.

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I didn't know.

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I didn't know what to expect.

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Right.

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I sort of knew what to expect.

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And now I really know what to expect. I mean, if I even just had an idea how rock shows were put together and this happens and this happens and then they play a song right before they come out. None of that. I didn't know any of that stuff. Yeah. Right. Because that was not accessible to me. There was no Internet. Yeah. So it was like magic. Right. Like, I mean, it was like, how are they doing this? This is amazing. And, you know, you totally believed everything that they said. And yeah. And then you find out, oh, yeah, they they said this at the you know, they said you're the best audience.

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to the people the night before.

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I'm so glad you told that particular point because they filmed my first concert.

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Not the concert I was at, but that tour.

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And so I was very excited when I had a chance a year later to watch that tour, knowing it would be.

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And I knew set lists were the same.

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But I was very surprised to hear them tell the same stories that they told.

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Yeah.

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And one of them was, a woman comes to the hotel and she says,

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This is Gene Simmons' baby, you know, and Paul Stanley says, Lady of the Disney, not know you. He's never seen you before in his life. But then he says to the audience, but let me tell you something, that baby had the longest tongue I've ever seen in my life. Yeah. I was like, that was St. Louis' story, you jerk. Yeah, I can tell you like 100 Bain Halen stories just like that. Yeah, look at all these people here. Yeah, look at all the people here tonight. Yeah, exactly. Like, it's just like, you know,

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It makes you feel like, oh man, I kind of got played. But at the same time, it's kind of like, yeah, that's the song and dance of it. That's rock and roll. That's rock and roll. And I was part of it. But you know what? You want it to be a little dirtier, but it's a production. Yeah, it is. Well, there's one evening where Van Halen fans got something that nobody else got. All right. Yep. Night Steering. So this is Love in Oakland.

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I got myself a brand new Oakland scarf right here. Because in the next city it was, I got myself a brand new Portland scarf right here. And that Oakland scarf is a video. You can watch that one. That's right. There's some new Van Halen stuff that just leaked out, John. I'll send it to you. And it's really good. It's from, I think it's from the 1984 tour, but there's,

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this great version of

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um

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um

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baby please can't take it anymore what is that song

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oh yeah

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that's uh

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oh in any case i'll send it to you there's some stuff i've never seen before

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and eddie is on fire

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it's so good it just showed up

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on my youtube and i was like hey

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yeah taking whiskey to the party tonight

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and i'm looking for some other squeeze

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yeah

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Yeah, that's it.

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Yeah, that's a weird record, by the way.

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Yeah, it is.

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It really is.

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Yeah, because like, yeah, Fools, that's like, that's almost progressive.

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But also, it's just it's all over the place, and some of the songs aren't complete thoughts.

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It's a lot of fun to listen to.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyway.

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You better send it to me, too.

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I will.

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I will.

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I'll dig it up tonight.

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It's probably on my YouTube recommended thing right now, so I'll find it.

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But whenever I see new one come up, I see somebody's archiving Van Halen stuff right now because I get kind of dinged regularly saying maybe you want to see this. George, do you still have AI questions? I have a couple. Okay. Do you want to, are you going to do them now or do you want to rip through one more round and we'll move on then? Up to y'all. I mean, do you, are you guys going to go back around one more time or what? Yeah, but I, it will be very fast because I know we're,

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We're getting a little long in the tooth. I know, and we still have other things to do. Right. I can just finish it off right now if you want. It doesn't matter, because like I said, it's going to be short. It's really important. It won't be long. So if we want to do that, then we'll finish up with kind of like what we're listening to and new discoveries and TR1 to mention Record Store Day. Yeah. All right. I'll just go real quick. I'll keep it simple. Then that way we can just finish up.

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So it was mentioned already, radio. And yes, we've all said it. It's understated how important FM radio was to us. I mean, literally, we all chose a camp, you know, as Matt would say on the Metalheads podcast. We all had our favorite radio stations. And if you were lucky enough to come from a big city area, you have multiple stations. So you had your friends like, no, K.O. and Me's better. No, KSJO, no, KRQR. We all used to do that, which was great.

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And DJs were rock stars. I remember cruising around. Even when I couldn't drive, somebody else was driving. We were in El Camino, Real, and San Mateo. And everyone used to cruise up and down. You just go down to a certain point, turn around, and just go back. Just like in American Graffiti. Same thing. And everyone was playing the radio. It was a big deal. The reason I bring this up is because I've always loved radio because of that. I listen to talk radio.

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Not political talk radio. I won't go near that with a 50 bazillion foot pole. Yeah. But I will listen to like any anything from, you know, discussing history books to paranormal shit. I don't care. I'll listen to all that. I just love the concept of listening to the radio. I used to listen to Giants games on the radio all the time for baseball. I like listening to baseball on the radio. It's just great. Yeah. But the reason for bringing this up and I'll wrap up my part here is that it got me to start doing my own radio.

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So I was doing stuff on Live 365, which I am back to doing again now. But I had two radio stations on there. I didn't do any live stuff on there. I kind of looped. So you don't hear me on any of those stations. But I got really involved in putting together, you know, playlist content stuff that would loop. And at one point I had one of the channels had over almost 7,000 people that listened.

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And then on another one, that was like my prog rock and metal one. And then I had a dark ambient one and I had another like, I don't know, 3,000 people listening on that. And I used to have counts. So I really got into radio and I still listen to radio to this day. I love listening in the car, even though half the shit they say on Sirius XM is just complete crap. They're so wrong about some of that stuff. Not Tommy London, man. That guy's a... Tommy's all right. Actually, no, I was kidding. I hate Tommy London.

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I wanted to see what you'd say. I don't really, he doesn't bother me. He just sounds like a schmuck. Dude. Kind of a poser, I don't know. I could be wrong. I mean, actually, I think Barb was like it. Oh, no, or am I thinking of Mark Striegel? No, I'm okay with like Striegel. I might be thinking of Striegel because I actually think he's all right. I like the schmuck thing, though, George, because somebody laughed at me at work once a few years back because we were talking about public radio and I used to listen to a lot of NPR.

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I don't anymore but in San Francisco I did and somebody said I really like this guy and he retired this guy had been around forever you'd know him John if I could think of his name and I told them and they never let me live this down but I thought it was true and I said I can't listen to that guy because he always sounds like he just ate something that was covered in mayonnaise it was just a thick horrible viscous sound that he had and I couldn't take it George I think you're right I think it's Mark Striegel that I like yeah I think he's actually

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a real hard rock metal guy. Yeah, he is. Tommy and London might be one of those octane guys.

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All right. So to finish up with this, radio became so important. I started actually doing a live show on two different places. I was on Yetze Radio, which was this dream theater online radio station that I met a ton of people there from that. But we used to do live stuff. Like I'm talking right now, I would be doing live things.

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I have like 10 or 11 listeners sometimes. Yeah. And then I actually started doing a, but we would pre-record it and then I would upload it on Live 365. I used to do a Steve Wilson radio show where we play all kinds of different music from his whole career. I actually used to send them stats to his manager so they could claim the royalties from Live 365. Wasn't much obviously, but I just wanted to point out that radio became really important for me.

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It still is. I still love listening to the radio.

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And if I could, I used to come home late from shows and it was this thing called the John Batchelor show I'd hear on the radio.

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And he talked to everyone and it was always somebody had a book and it was like, well, so when this happened, it was the time is 1940 something and it's Guadalcanal.

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And he tells them the guy was there to hawk his book.

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And I used to love listening to all that stuff late at night.

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So anyway, that's my last one.

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I've got a ton more, but can't do them all one time.

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So I'll be brief with mine.

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but it's radio related on a couple of levels um first off i'll just say i actually worked

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the radio station when i was in high school i think i've mentioned that before

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um it was called ky94 the lake's real music fm and that's all i really got to do was say that and

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read the weather and one or two other things and it was an automated station i just sat there

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babysat everything and then would record my little bits of the weather and stuff so that was my little

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radio thing secondarily um mostly i listened to especially after my brothers were out of the house and i

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was the only one in the bedroom at this point we always used to argue about what we're gonna listen to when we went to bed um because we'd always put a tape on and if it was my one brother it was gonna be RO Speedwagon High Infidelity if it was me and my other brother it was gonna be Iron Maiden or something but I discovered a radio station and I always remember this and I don't know where it was but it was some small place like Warrensburg Missouri and it was a high school radio station they and these kids loved heavy metal and so like I heard rainbow in the dark for the first time on this

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And they're always like, this one goes out to my girlfriend, Jenny, and it'd be like Rainbow in the Dark. You know what I mean? So that was cool. I got to hear a lot of new music that way. But, and I, that was the, I had mentioned the, what do you call it? Portion of my life in which I was basically couldn't sleep at night. And, and I think it was just because I had a lot of energy and I was ready to get up and do stuff. So I would lay in bed at night and listen to that radio station. But my real last one is something else is called Keeping

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Music as keeping time. And it's that there are any number of things in my life that if I want to remember, well, I'll give you an example. We moved from Missouri or from Wisconsin to Missouri when I was nine years old. And I can kind of do the math on that. But what I usually do is I'll be like, what year was that? What year did we move? And I can tell you that on the way to Wisconsin,

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We went in this little caravan of vans loaded with our whole family's worth of stuff. We had the radio on. We changed the channel. But the song that was most frequently played was Another Brick in the Wall. So I know what year that was because it was Another Brick in the Wall. And we've talked about Queensryche a couple of times. I went on this summer camp slash weird Lutheran church outgoing thing, blah, blah, blah. We went to, I think, Worlds of Fun in Kansas City.

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But we went up and slept on the floor of a church. And blah, blah, blah. And there's no reason for me to remember what it is, except for that before we left, I went down to Walmart and they had just gotten in Queensryche's Rage for Order. And it was just for, so I know what year I did that. I'm going to get close to you. Yeah. Oh, I love that record. Yeah, it's a great, great record. And just that I am able to kind of keep time with a lot of things in my life that way.

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I remember when freeze frame was on the radio constantly and what was what was the hit from that one uh centerfold yeah

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yeah and I remember we went home for Christmas so I know that was a hit around Christmas because we

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heard it every fifth or sixth song on the radio and so so just that that how that cultural weird thing in my life

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like I there are so many things if I really need to remember what how old was I or what year did that

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I could usually remember what the hit song was because I was in the car.

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Or whatever it was.

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And so just that.

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This kind of overlay of your DNA thing, which is summers dominated by certain records and so on and so forth.

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And the ability to literally go back and just Google it and go, okay, I guess that was the summer of 1984.

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You know, because that was a hit or that record came out that I loved.

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So, and I like that.

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And I also remember I told the Jack and Diane story like how happy I was that night. I can picture the inside of this van, you know, listening to another brick in the wall and thinking I really like this song and we're on this weird adventure to go to this whole new state I'd never seen in my whole life and we were going to be in a house I'd never been in. And all that stuff was right there and I was listening to that, you know, Pink Floyd song. And I was also still a child so I had no control over anything whatsoever as nine years old.

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somebody else put on the radio but yeah and so you would sit back there cross your fingers oh please put on the f-dom station oh yeah please yeah you know or whatever it is so yeah so radio was huge and i still listen to the radio too john um i do stream my phone through my car quite a bit but sometimes i get a little bit weirdly tired of making my own choices and there's a couple i listen to right now i drive into douglas to get my groceries it's a mexican

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and they have a Mexican singer I love named Vicente Fernandez and he's old school he's there Frank Sinatra and they have a show that is on every day around the time if I go to Douglas and it plays for maybe three hours from maybe nine to like one or something and it's called Solo Vicente and they only play Vicente Fernandez music for those three hours and I love stuff like that the radio

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It makes me nostalgic, the radio. And like I said, you can keep time. You guys can do the same thing. If you're trying to remember what summer it was, you broke your tooth on your bike, just try to remember what record you listened to and you'll figure it out. Go ahead, George. I was just going to say, 1986. Oh, that's the master puppet year. That's the rain and blood year. Exactly.

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to for years. I haven't watched them all. It's Sabado. He got day. You remember that television show? Do you guys ever watch that? Saturday. Did you? Oh, I used to watch that. I couldn't keep up. My Spanish wasn't good enough, but I used to watch this. It's big Saturday, you know, giant Saturday show. It was so good. Who's that one paranormal guy that has the show coast to coast? Do you ever listen to that one? Oh, dude.

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And that's a great one because people are calling in and stuff and it's like, you know, yeah, you know, and it's not as good as it used to be. Nevada desert. That's the kind of radio I love. Yes. Like the UFO sightings. But also sort of connecting people from these weird corners. It's like old public access television kind of thing. You know what I mean? So that would be the Art Bell years. The Art Bell years were the good years. Art Bell years were great because it was like that you saying public access. It really was. And it was, he was in, is it Pahrump?

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Nevada. Yeah.

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From the kingdom of Nye.

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I used to go listen to the old ones.

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And I was able to get that when I lived in San Francisco.

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I can't tell you how many.

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And then post art bell.

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And then I lost the channel or something.

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I couldn't find it again.

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But I used to love listening to that show.

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Yeah.

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It's different now.

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Before when it was like, you know, art, I'm calling because I got a chupacabra in my backyard.

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I loved all that stuff.

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I loved all that stuff.

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There's the one famous one too where some guy was like, I'm going to have to talk fast, okay? Because they're coming to get me. And what we're talking about is... No, I've heard that one....entities from another dimension. And then his line cuts out. Yeah, his line cuts out, yeah. Oh, I've heard that numerous times, yeah. Anyway. Awesome. Another Coast to Coast fan. Yeah, oh, Coast to Coast was the best, dude. I miss listening to Coast to Coast. And it was like three or four hours or something, wasn't it? It was a four-hour show. Just for the entertainment.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah. Totally. No. 100%. All right. Nice. TR. So, yeah, I just have a couple more things. Like, one of the things that hasn't been mentioned, but, like, I know all of you have experienced. I remember going into the store around here in Maryland was called Record and Tape Traders. Oh, yeah. And,

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When you went into that store, you would hear music that you wouldn't hear anywhere else. And one of the things that I heard in Record and Tape Traders in the early 2000s was they played the new Red Sparrows song, or the new Red Sparrows album, which at the time, I had no idea. I didn't know anything about post-rock.

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I didn't know anything about Red Sparrows, but they were playing it in this record store. And I was like, what is this? First of all, I'm embarrassed you're the first one who brought up record stores, but please continue because that is a huge thing. But well, yeah, I mean, back you guys know, like we would go into a record store and these guys, the people in the record store. First of all, they knew like what was going on. Second of all, they had like all the imports from,

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Europe and Japan and all the other stuff that was coming in that nobody else knew about. And they would be like, dude, if you like this, check this out. And so in a world prior to the internet and prior to every app that says, if you like this, try this. There were real people that did that. And I just remember going into the record stores and hearing stuff.

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and being like, what is playing? What is that? And just being like blown away by something that I had never heard before. And they're like, yeah, it's this. And you walk out of there like with a new album and a new band that you never heard of. And now you're like the biggest fan of that band. So that was, you know, even in the early 2000s. Yeah, for sure. That was still going on.

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And that was how I learned about post-rock, which is one of my favorite genres of all time that I still love and I still listen to and I still buy various bands that create that kind of music. So I just wanted to make mention of going into record stores back in the day when you could go in, they were playing music,

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And you'd be like, hey, what's that? And they're like, oh, it's this. You want to check that out? Go over to this section because it's in there. And by the way, there's like two other bands like that. And you could get them. And here's where they are, you know? Every Friday in the early 2000s, my wife and I would go out to eat at a Mexican place. And every Friday night, we went to Tower Records. Yeah. Dude, I remember Tower Records. And I loved it. I loved it. And we would be there for an hour, you know? Oh, yeah. You could go like searching through there.

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And like I said, you know, when I was going to record stores and record shows, like just thumbing through all the, you know, you name it, like all the different genres, all the different rock and roll, whatever, just flipping through and finding like finding whatever I could find that was like, you know, kind of, yeah, I don't know, a 12 inch, you know, release that had an extended version of a song that, you know, was only available on the record.

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or you know, you name it, 45, there was a 45 and it had a B-side that wasn't found anywhere else. Like, that's what I was looking for in the early, like, 1990s, going to these record shows, looking for, you know, stuff that most people didn't even know about. And the record store people knew about it because they had it.

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Yeah. I learned about the misfits by being in a store, but it wasn't a music store. It was a head shop in Ann Arbor. You know, I was always looking for new places to get music. And from the outside, you know, it looked kind of like it might be a music store. So we wandered in and we're like, what's all this pottery?

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I was like, well, clearly this is not a music store. However, what is this music they're playing? And it was Where Eagles Dare by The Misfits. And I was like, I need to know what that is. Wow. Surprised it wasn't a sitar. Not in Ann Arbor. Well, that's not true. Definitely in Ann Arbor. The only Where Eagles Dare I know is by Iron Maiden. Yeah. Different song. Yeah. Definitely miss Tower Records, especially.

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Knowing that it was from Northern California, it had a little bit of an extra bit to it, but I miss my local one that was right down the street from here. Yeah. Oh yeah, that too. But yeah, I used to go to the one on South U at University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and I'd spent hours just going through everything. Even though I had already done it last week, I'm going to do it again. Oh yeah, exactly. You never know what you're going to find. I went every week. Yeah. Every week I went.

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So, uh, good. Very good. All right. We on the George then? Sure. Sure. Yeah. Last few questions before we start wrapping things up. So, uh, this was the more specific, what are some songs or albums that were core to me? And, uh, you know, by the time thrash started to pick up steam, I was all about the message of metal up your ass. Get the posers.

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Yeah, ouch. Metallica, Anthrax, Slayer, Exodus, those bands were cool. And they just wore jeans and t-shirts, shirking fashion trends. And, you know, that was definitely more my speed. I didn't care about any of that. And so now my music didn't either. But then I remember Manowar's Fighting the World came out. And that cemented my us and them mentality and the Death Deposers attitude that prevailed.

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throughout my teens.

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It took me a few years to deprogram from that.

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We didn't talk about it much, George.

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I didn't say that much, but I do, just to let you know, it really bummed me out when Ross the Boss died.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, that was too bad.

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That's right.

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I liked Manowar, too.

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I know they're goofy, but I loved Manowar.

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They were great.

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Yeah, especially the Ross years.

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Yeah, the Ross years.

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some songs that represent me as a person. So I was a bit of a sad sack. My favorite songs from the time were pretty depressing. You know, it's tough being a teen, especially on the outside of the social circle. So songs like Fade to Black by Metallica and My Darkest Hour from Megadeth, How Will I Laugh Tomorrow by Suicidal Tendencies. Those were the tunes that got me through the rough years.

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Did you have like subdivisions on repeat? Yeah, you know

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Back then the only rush I really listened to was 2112

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I remember thinking subdivisions was that

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At that time, John, that was my idea of brilliant metaphor

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It really was

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In its way it is, but at the time I was just like

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These guys are geniuses, man

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I poured over those lyrics too

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And I was just like, yeah, in the shopping malls

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Oh, that's what they're talking about

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They are talking about subdivisions

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Yeah, it's like, I know what that's about. I'm living that right now.

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Yeah, I know. That's why I brought it up. Because George was talking about those types of songs. I'm like, well, if there's any more depressing song now when you're older, not when you're young. It's subdivisions. You're like, holy shit.

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Rush-wise, I would add in the past. That song breaks my heart. And it's kind of subdivisions part two in the weirdest sort of way.

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Yeah, it's not dog years, so that's for sure.

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Just saying. George, what else does the AI machine have for you? Two more questions for me. And this one relates to the last one, which was any albums that got you through a rough time. Oh, God. So some of my go-to albums for getting through rough times, one of the biggest ones of all time was Life of Agony's River Runs Red. That was my gold standard for a long time.

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You've said that before. It's an extremely depressing album. But now, as you well know, the entire catalog of Sentenced is where I go when I need comforting. But to backtrack a little, on the flip side, if I need to be bumped up, it's gotta be Manowar. I used to listen to Manowar before exams to get psyched up for winning. It was almost...

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where I'd be paranoid. I'm blanking on the word. Like people that turn their hats around at games. Oh, like a superstition? Superstition. It got to be like a superstition where if I didn't listen to Manowar before a test, I was not going to do well. And so I always made sure I had it handy. Did you wear a loincloth under your jeans?

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No, no, I did not. You just didn't wear the jeans, is what you're saying. All right, the last question was, what artists influenced how you think about making music, not just listening? And that was an easy one. James Hetfield has always been a big influence on my playing. Even though I'm not remotely in the same league as he is, in fact, I'm not sure anyone is, he is the right hand of God.

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as they say. The rhythm player of all rhythm players. He is the downpicking master. And I've always been a bit of a downpicker, so I related to that. But, you know, also, who could possibly be cool, as cool as the hat? Yeah, yeah! Yeah! You know, there was a great Onion article one time. I like where you're going with this. Well, it was Puddle of Mud Fans.

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how they were trying to twist themselves into pretzels to hear the band's influences. Because it would be like, in an interview, apparently the guy was like, yeah, one of my big influences is Led Zeppelin. And they were like, is it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, that's all I've got.

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more questions,

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more questions,

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like not,

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but I just ran out of time to come up with answers.

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So we try to be in our way holistic and then every new thing opens up a new

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thing.

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I don't know.

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It's all just a Testament to the fact that we've all,

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it's just such a guiding force in our stupid lives.

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Yeah.

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Well,

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and that's the thing,

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like,

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you know,

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I,

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I,

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I get the impression and,

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and,

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going to dig in to like all these different record racks and you're going to flip through a thousand records to find like this one thing that you never saw before because you really were looking for this and this is something like you're interested in. I it's like I know each one of us is like this in our own ways for the bands that we love and the bands that we're into.

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We will go to the ends of the earth to find this stuff because we're into it. And we can't really describe where it's coming from or why it's there, but you just got to do it. And I don't know. I mean, I don't regret it. I'm glad. It's been a guiding force in my life, and it's what I live for. Concerts and shows and music and everything. That's my life.

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You know, there may be a finite number of notes, you know, but music in combination is infinite. And I mean, and it must be because we haven't got to the end of it yet. So, you know, I mean, it's just, you know what I mean? And so that's why you are always looking for that other thing, you know. I'd like to recommend again, and I've recommended this perhaps on this part or the other part. I am rewatching this Paul McCartney thing you can watch.

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on Disney slash Hulu. And it's Paul McCartney being essentially interviewed by that long bearded. Rick Rubin. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And Rick Rubin is no great catch. But I think I suggest you watch it because what you will find out is Paul McCartney is one of us. You'll be like, oh, he's obsessed like I am. Yeah. It's great fun to listen to him talk about the old records and how he how him and George got together.

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and then to watch him pick apart his own music and you're just like oh he's got the disease dude yeah he's not just talented he's obsessed he's one of the sources of the flow and i highly recommend it because it's not that different than talking to the three of you and that's really good i really enjoyed it and i like i said i'm watching it the second time and i just he just feels so familiar to me because i just yeah you can see his level of love and obsession for this stuff and you can see that even at the age of 80 or wherever he's at now he's not lost it right

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And it's still a great joy for him to isolate one instrument on a Beatles track and go listen to this bass part right here. You know what I mean? And then talk about his favorite records and how he has to get on the bus. And he had to go take this bus and I had to get off that bus. I had to get on a second bus just to get one record. Watch it. It's us. It's just us talking. Exactly. I mean, we didn't have quite that level of having to get to music. But I had to beg my parents.

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to take me to Sound Odyssey and the Dover Mall to get the latest record. It's a version of ours. You'll be surprised. And it just really endeared him to me because it made me feel more like him. Yeah. It's ridiculous when you think about he was a freaking Beatle and he basically made the template of what rock and roll music is now. There's 50 more stories in his building than ours, but I just mean he's at his

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He's us. As far as just like, if he hadn't been Paul McCartney, he'd still have a huge record collection. He would be like us. Nowadays where you can get music anytime you want, day or night, people don't perhaps know the pain of can we go to the mall? Can we go to the mall? Can we go to the mall? No, we can't go

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to the mall. I want to go to the mall.

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I've got to. And so then when you do, when they're like, all right, fine, we're going to go to the mall, that then the anticipation builds of like, yes, you know, not only, you know, what am I going to find there? What's going to be there? You know, and it's built up into this big thing in your head. And then you can't listen till you get home. Yeah. Well, right. I've thought about this and I know we're wrapping up here, but let me just kind of now push that out into cosmic dimensions.

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And by going back in time, and you see these old westerns and stuff when the violin comes out and everybody starts dancing, it's because that was the one time in three months you were going to hear some music. And then you go all the way back to symphonies and can you imagine if you were a music lover in Mozart's time and it was like, and maybe not a person of means and how rare it was.

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That's why so many people knew how to play the piano and stuff. Because

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that was the only way you were going to get it. The only music was live music. And

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that wasn't a constant occurrence, really.

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I wager, I don't think I'm silly to say church. People going to church was at such higher numbers back then. Because that was one of the ways you could hear music.

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Probably, yeah. I would agree with that.

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So anyway, I mean, yes, we've all had our hardships and I hear you and everything, but it's so funny to me to think about how it has moved over time and how it looked. I tried to picture the four of us riding horses from here to El Paso in the 1800s and going, thank God there's a piano in the bar. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, like, let's go. Yeah. I mean, we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have been listening to our iPods on our horses for however many miles. In fact, one of us probably would have said,

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Does anybody know any songs? You know, sing us a song. I wouldn't have been allergic to the freaking horse. That's the problem. I can't even ride a horse without, like, getting completely overwhelmed. You're allergic? Yeah. I'm sorry to hear that. And I keep forgetting. Every time, like, every time my friends would be like, hey, let's go on a horse ride. I'd be like, yeah, that sounds good. Sounds good to me. And then I'd go and I'd be like, I can't even breathe. I can't even tell you how many times my friends were like, hey, let's go on a horse ride.

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It happened a couple of times. And every time I was like, I forgot. And then I'd go and I'd be like, oh, oh yeah. Somebody call 911, please. Yeah. I can't breathe. Where's TR's EpiPen? Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah. All right, John, take us home. Yeah. All right. Last section. This is our kind of new releases. We may have discovered we're playing.

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I know TR wants to bring up record store day. I got three records. I'll do it real quick. I have no record store day thing to talk about because it's just turned into something I don't think it should be anymore. And I'm not standing in line anymore with people because I'm old and grumpy. So here are my three. I just picked up the new Richard Barbieri album called Hauntings. If you're not familiar who Richard Barbieri is, he is the keyboard player. Sounds good.

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He was also one of the original members of Japan, which is basically where Duran Duran got their whole shtick from. Anyway, it's kind of progressive electronic IDM hauntology, if you've never heard of that before, which is kind of what Boards of Canada has going on there. I've only listened to half of it, just got it. It's very good. Second one, I've been digging through the Gentle Giant catalog. They're a progressive rock band from the 70s.

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Definitely different than other progressive rock bands. I finally got the album Interview, which is the last one I wanted to get. They have, I think, 11 albums, and I don't want three of them because they're going into that really bad pop sound that all progressive rock bands went into as the 80s closed in. So got that. And the last thing I got, because of all this Boards of Canada talk, I decided to look for any bands that kind of sound like

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Like Boards of Canada. And I came across something called Casino

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versus Japan. And the album's called Go Hawaii. It's from 2000.

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It's a down-tempo IDM album. It's good. It's not Boards of Canada.

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But I really like it. I haven't liked the rest of their catalog so far other than this album.

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So, but it got me thinking about another segment for another time regarding influential bands.

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So, I'll bring it up to you guys later.

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Cool. Those are my three. There's no metal for this podcast I'm talking about here. It's all other stuff. And those are my three from the last couple of days. I'll do my two real quick. And really, it's one. But I kind of pitched this to the guys recently. Perfectly fine that nobody probably hooked on to it. It was just it was a real surprise to me. And it's one of those things where just there's a lot of information going by us via videos and all these different things. And I saw this video all of a sudden. It was Leo Sayre, the singer Leo Sayre.

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Oh, yeah. Doing a song. And I was like, this is so interesting. Well, first of all, he was wearing clown makeup in the video. So I didn't know who it was at all. And I was just like, this is some weird introspective stuff. Now, I should probably qualify this by saying or maybe caveat this by saying that Leo Sayre, if you don't know who he is, had his only really visible stuff for a few sort of disco hits in the 70s. One's called You Make Me Feel Like Dancing. He had another one called When I Need Love. You know that one?

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and I just hold my whatever that's called and then I think he had another one that was kind of a hit now that would be the 78 79 he had these two or three records out in the early 70s that are kind of a weird mix between like a light version of Genesis and maybe a little Pink Floyd because they're so introspective and then and then this really unique singing style like that ranges all the way from a really harsh vocal to sort of like every once in a while like a darkness falsetto and a bunch of other stuff and they're so interesting

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and I am stymied and I haven't tried to find out and I don't know if I want to know how he transitioned from that to Disco Hitman. But and even the cover of that record with the Disco Hits on it is absolutely ludicrous and he's got an afro by that point and he's jumping up and he's I think he's wearing a onesie. It's really weird. And but I I have and the irony is that I was in an antique store two days after I texted you guys and found Leo Kaki's

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Silverwing record, which is the one I recommend first, and then the second record is called Just a Boy, and it's really just as good. It's just a little more produced, literally not instrumentally, but it's the clear sound, and I think I prefer the little slightly scratchier sound of Silverwing, but these records are just great, and I've put them on a few times, and every time I'm like, every one of these songs is good. I would also call to mind an early 70s Elton John. The songs can also be meandering.

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They're not pop, verse chorus, verse songs in any real sense. If you're out there looking for something interesting, singer-songwriter-y with a little bit of an edge, try Leo Kotke's first two records. And I'll get back to you on the third one. I know both of those names. It was a pleasant surprise. Leo Sayer in particular, I know because he was always in the list of the Columbia House stuff that you could get.

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And like, I think he was like on the Muppet show. You know what I mean? Like he was, yeah, he was a real goofy addition to the late 70s. But he was a singer-songwriter guy at first. And he was edgy, man. He was writing in the middle of the night, what am I going to do with my hands songs. You know what I mean? It was so, so strange. I want to check these out. Check out Silverwing. Start and just put it on track one and let it go. And I honestly think by the end of it, you'll see.

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to be like, why don't I know about this? I know his name. I might have even heard him before. Listen to you make me feel like dancing, because then you're going to be like, what? Yeah, that's the hit. That's enough to turn you off to it. It's enough to turn you off to the point where this was randomized. I think I was flipping through videos, and all of a sudden there was this thing, and the first 30 seconds caught my thing, and then I read the name at the bottom, and I was like, this is Leo Sayre? So, yeah, please do.

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I will you might be pleased with what you find record try Silverwing okay and that's the baton okay uh okay so um as John said I I participated in uh record store day uh last Saturday and uh I went up to even though I guess we've got like a record store here in Bel Air in Maryland I went up to

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Newark, Delaware, because I know those guys have been around a really long time, and I knew that they typically get a pretty good selection of stuff. So I went there, and I got there super early. I don't know. I think I got there around a little before five in the morning, and they opened at eight. And so I got in line, and just, you know, I had a little seat to sit in.

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Anyway, I was able to grab a few of the things that I was interested in. One of which was the Peter Gabriel Sledgehammer 40th Anniversary exclusive 12-inch. It's a zoetrope. Those of you that may not be familiar with that, basically it's got animation on the record.

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And when you put it on the turntable

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The record itself is a zoetrope

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Yes, the record itself is a zoetrope

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Okay, explain how this works please

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So typically what you have to do is

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you either have to have

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your phone has

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a

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a strobe light

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on it at a certain frequency

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Okay

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And basically what happens is

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as the record is turning and you put the strobe light

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on it, because of the speed at which the record is turning and the strobe light that's hitting it, it will make the animation kind of freeze in a certain section of the record. So you can actually watch the animation take place on the record. So it's on the surface of the record itself. Yes, and it's a really cool effect because you can actually watch what's going on.

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That sounds amazing. It is. I do have the 2112 pentagram thing. Yeah, so that's a little different. So I have that as well. And that's kind of a hologram kind of a situation. Right, because that doesn't need lights now that you mentioned it. Yeah, right. You can just kind of observe that and it looks like a hologram of the star that's going on. But this requires

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that you use a strobe light at a certain frequency. Or the other thing that you can do, and I just found out about this online, is if you put your phone on video mode and you can change the FPS of the video,

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you can change it to be something that actually will enable you to see the animation on the record. What I would suggest is if you go online and you do like a zoetrope search for different records, you'll be able to see like some of these different zoetrope records. I do think for some reason, and it's been years now, but I think I saw that Jack White did something like that once on something.

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He did. I got that one too. Oh, you have that? Okay. Yeah. And I've got like, there's a Doctor Who one from a couple of years ago. There's a, when Power Slave came out for the 40th anniversary, they had a Zoetrope version of that. And then there's also a Dio Last in Line Zoetrope record that I got a couple of years ago. I am living in a cave. Okay. That's cool stuff. Anyway, it's, it's pretty,

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So I picked that up. I also got

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The Sword put out

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three songs

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and it was basically

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demos before their first album

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Age of Winners came out

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and these songs are on this

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LP that they put out.

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There's also

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The Judas Priest on Purple Vinyl

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recorded live

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at the Foundations Forum

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Los Angeles, California

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on 13th September 1990

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so that would have been the

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Yeah, Painkiller tour. This album or this tour, Judas Priest put out that massive box set of all their stuff. And there was like 62 CDs on it or whatever. And it was like hundreds of dollars for this box set. And it was only CDs too, I think. Yeah, it was only CDs.

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the last 20 CDs or whatever was all these live performances, which I really would have wanted to get. But honestly, it was like, I'm not going to buy this box set of 90% of which I already own. So anyway, this particular one was on that CD box, but they released it as an

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LP for Record Store Day. So I picked that up. One of the other things that I got was the Pink Floyd Live from the Los Angeles Sports Arena, April 26, 1975, which has a lot of the Shine on, Crazy Diamond, Have a Zagar, and all of Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety. It also has two songs that would

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later end up on animals one called raving and drooling and the other one called you've got to be crazy which you've probably you know can figure out which song that is from animals you know their reissues have been amazing and the um they really really released those though i thought on cd i guess it's all together because they were both that show has been released before yeah and so was the dark side the dark side of the moon ones but i think the difference

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They're really top-notch with the stuff, those three things they've done. Yeah, well, Stephen Wilson kind of took this audience recording and, you know, remixed it or, you know, updated it to, you know, be whatever it is now. At most, he's been doing for all that stuff. Hey, T.R., you know why that Priest box set wasn't worth owning? What's that? Why? No Rod Smallwood. That's exactly right. I would have been all over it. Yeah. If it was a Maiden box set, you would have been like, this is the coolest thing ever. Yeah, well, that's true.

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And the other thing that I wanted to get, but they didn't have, or it was gone by the time I got into the record store, was Foreigner released a live tour from 81, 82 around Foreigner 4 time frame. And they put that on an LP, but that was all actually from the Foreigner 4 deluxe edition,

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CD Blu-ray audio set. So when I couldn't find the LP of that, I just went on Discogs and bought the four CD set and got the CD version of it anyway, which basically had the live stuff from 8182 of Foreigner Force Tour, which I got to say, I just, I really love

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from that time frame. And as a live band, Lou Graham was at the height of his powers at that time. And to get a live performance from that period was something that I've really wanted to get for a long time. So I had gotten Live at the Rainbow from 78. But to get the songs from Foreigners,

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and get those live was really something that I was looking for. So yeah, it was a very, very good record store day. I enjoyed it. I got up super early, stood in line with a bunch of people that I'm sure were there for Grateful Dead albums and the box set of Grateful Dead stuff and Olivia Rodrigo or whoever, Taylor Swift 45s of Elizabeth Taylor or whatever it was.

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Did you see this headline? I'm sorry to share it. I saw this just the other day. Original Foreigner singer Lou Graham says Mick Jones is in the end stages of Parkinson's disease. Yeah, I saw that. It's not kind of surprising because he kind of bowed out of live playing and stuff. He's been kind of not a part of a live situation for a long time. It's kind of not surprising.

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It's unfortunate. I mean, he's really literally, other than Lou Graham, kind of the only guy left. It's Jeff Pilsen's Foreigner now. Yeah. Well, yeah. Foreigner 4, I mentioned previously, was one of my first two cassettes I ever owned, and I just wore it out. Yeah. Yeah, Foreigner 4 was great, and that was one that was everywhere, too. Urgent, man. That was everywhere. Oh, yeah. Jukebox Hero. I mean, it's like, you know, and I kind of like some of the lesser-known tunes on the

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like Girl on the Moon. I just feel like there's a mystery to that song. It's kind of a... I don't know. That song kind of is entrancing somehow. There's an element to that song that is kind of mysterious. It's really weird to think about, but it's very strange how that song pulls you in.

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I have a confession to make and I know we're wrapping up this to be brief. But talking about that weird entrancing thing. I listen to a lot of different music and stuff. I don't listen to this band a lot, but late at night. Sometimes I'll just go on YouTube and start watching concerts and stuff. And of late for the last six months, if I don't know what else to watch and I'm getting ready to go to bed, I think I'm going to watch REO Speed Weekend do Roll With The Changes. I don't know what it is about this song. That is the greatest song.

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song, man. And I watch a live version and Kevin Cronin is not paying the pension the piano, but singing up. It is so good. There's something about that song that's stuck in my nose, man. I don't know what to do about it. So I have a couple of things to mention about TR before I mention my couple albums. Sorry, John. Okay. But I have like drastically trimmed down my list while we were talking. But one is Megadeth.

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The Final Self-Titled Album. Oh, yeah. I have the limited edition Zoetrope where Vic Rattlehead's giving you the finger. Oh, nice. I haven't played it, but I haven't. I didn't even know they had that. Yeah, it was like a limited edition thing that I think Guessable might have said something about it. Okay. And I ordered it. Yeah, because I did. Shoot. And then the other thing is a callback to last episode, but what did you get after last episode?

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What did you buy? Oh, it was some sort of electrical equipment, electronic equipment. Oh. So, all right. You guys finally pushed me over the edge. After all this talk about lossless music, I went and bought what's called a Brennan. So, the Brennan B3 Plus. I went out. My buddy, Mike Joyner,

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who actually did all the homework on this thing and bought it before I did, gave me kind of an insight into what it was like and if it was good and everything. And so I went over to his house and I'm like, hey man, how's the graphical interface with this thing? How does it work? He's like, yeah, it's good. It's got its quirks.

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And it definitely has its quirks. But overall, it's a two-terabyte drive. You can load flack onto this thing till the cows come home. And pretty much it's unlikely that you'll ever fill. Anyhow. So I'm deep into getting all my music into this thing right now.

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And it rips CDs too, right? It rips CDs, yeah. So it's got a CD tray on it, and you can put the CD in there. And, you know, it's part of your network, so it's connected to the internet via Wi-Fi or however you've got it. If you've got an Ethernet cable, you can put it into your system. And, you know, it looks at Music Brains, which is like the internet,

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set up because it's got an optical cable that goes directly into your stereo system. But you could also set it up with Sonos speakers. And you can also just put headphones into it because there's a line out that you can put headphones in. So you could listen to all of your whole collection through this thing however you wish.

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So what is the interface though? You said, is there a screen on the thing or are you using a screen on a computer? So you can connect to it in a variety of ways. One of the ways that you can connect to it is via a browser through your computer. So you can get on your browser, you can put in, because it gives you an IP address when you hook it up, and then you can tell your browser to connect to that IP address, which is that device.

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The other thing that you can do is you can get on, you can use NAS, which is, I can't remember what the, you know, what that stands for, but basically you can get on Windows Explorer and use it like as a drive on your computer just like anything else.

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Okay.

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The other thing you can do is there's an app, which I have not yet downloaded onto my phone, but you can put the app on your phone and you can control it from your phone. So eventually my goal is to rip all the thousands of CDs I have into this thing and then eventually hook it up to my stereo system and my house is wired for sound because I made sure that I put speakers throughout my house before the house was

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I ran cables all through the house and I put speakers in a number of the rooms and now I could put you know this thing connected to my amplifier downstairs and it can run all that through the house and you know my entire collection eventually will be part of that and so that's so thanks to you guys I took the leap into lossless which my buddy

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Jason was like,

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welcome to 2008.

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Everybody needs a friend like that.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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So my brother says things like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You got an answering machine.

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Should I leave you a message from?

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Yeah,

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I actually still do.

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And I'm dude,

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I don't have any,

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you know,

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regrets about being a Luddite.

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I,

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you know,

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it's like,

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I don't know.

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Sure.

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I feel you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm sorry, but that's the way I am. But I'm finally, I'm like actually excited about this because, well, first of all, I've been downloading all of the Bandcamp stuff I ever got. Like I'm re-downloading it as FLAC. And dude, I got to tell you, when you've got 315 items on Bandcamp, downloading all that stuff again on FLAC can take a while.

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Yep.

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So that's been my first step. And then eventually I'm going to get to the point where I'm ripping CDs and just throwing the CDs in there and then doing that. But like, I'm just not at that point yet. Cool. It's cool. Yeah, very cool. It's fun to have a new toy too. Well, yeah, exactly. I'm kind of excited about it. It's been lots of fun. And I'm still like, you know, I think I told you guys before, I'm like, I'm all hepped up on, you know, the library and checking CDs.

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these out of the library and ripping those. I just got a ton of stuff from the library recently. Part of the problem is a lot of this stuff I bought in an MP3 or AAC format, but I never got it in FLAC. The library is helping me out with that because I'm grabbing some of these discs and I'm ripping them in FLAC. The Tron Legacy sound

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track, Donald Fagan, Nightfly Live. There's been just a couple of Dockin albums. I never had them in the album and the FLAC format. I just bought them in MP3. So I've been hitting the library pretty hard and getting some of that stuff in FLAC format so that I got lossless versions of those albums.

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Yeah, Apple needs to get with the program. They refuse to do flack. Really? Yeah. Well, theirs was what, APE? It's not, their stuff's not the same. And you can't, in fact, they won't do lossless unless you have an Apple Music subscription. And if you cancel your subscription, your lossless stuff goes away. You can only have the AACs and the, yeah. Anyway.

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Before we lose John, I'm going to do my three mentions briefly. Crippled Black Phoenix and their new album, Skidium. I don't know how to say that. But, you know, post-rock, so I'm sure you guys, if you haven't listened to it yet, I'm sure you'll like it. And then I just started today digging into this artist called Lonesome

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It's a sort of gothic country, dark folk cabaret thing.

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That sounds like right down your alley.

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It is with the stuff I've been listening to lately.

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And I didn't realize, but it turns out that it's the solo project from the front man of those poor bastards, which you may or may not be familiar with those guys.

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But there's a bunch of albums, so I'm looking forward to digging into that.

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And then lastly, I've been listening to a lot of Gojira, because I picked up the Neural DSP Archetype X Gojira plug-in for guitar sounds, and it's freaking cool to play with. So yeah, I've been listening to Gojira. Can you make those same harmonic sounds that they're so fond of? I mean, you have the ability to do that, and I even bought, I have a wah pedal. I don't have a whammy pedal, but I bought a pedal.

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It's like a MIDI pedal that you can plug in and use it with this thing so you can like do the whammy and volume and stuff that he does with these effects. I've only played with it that with the pedal a little bit but it's pretty neat. I'm a big fan of Neural DSP now. Hey John put us to bed now. I just have to say because TR mentioned the Pink Floyd Life Show

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I have the show from Wembley in 1974. So I just went and bought the show from LA in 1975. Yeah. Well, I could have put that in the Dropbox. No, no, no. The difference between the two shows is that Have a Cigar is in LA and Echoes. I didn't have the CD version of Echoes. So anyway. All right. We've reached the end. I just have a couple more things. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. Live show.

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We didn't mention the shows we attended. Since the last time I went to see Herb Alpert, who is 90 years old but still kicking butt, and saw them at Baltimore. It was a great show. They played all the hits, everything you want to hear from Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass. I would have liked to have seen that. It was awesome. I got to tell you, it was so good. You come out of there kind of floating because those songs are such good feelings.

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You just feel like, yeah, that was so fun. I also saw Stickmen, which consists of Pat Mastolato on drums, Tony Levin on bass, and Marcus Reuter on the touch guitar up at Elkton Music Hall. Awesome show. They played some, in addition to their own music, they played a number of King Crimson tunes and other things.

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Also saw a couple of tribute bands. One was called Completely Unchained. It's a Van Halen tribute that plays mostly Roth-era stuff, and they were excellent. Also saw Get the Led Out, which is a Led Zeppelin tribute in Bel Air, Maryland, and at the APGFCU Arena, which is the Aberdeen Proving Ground Federal Credit Union Arena, and they were terrific. Their whole deal, Get the Led Out's deal,

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is that they play stuff like the record. So they have multiple musicians up there with all the different musical parts that were on the record. They're not trying to look like Led Zeppelin. They're trying to sound like the record. And they did an outstanding job of doing that. And they had an excellent set list of music, of stuff from the first, second, third, fourth album, everything.

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Like, you know, whatever you want to, you know, whatever you can imagine. Now, they didn't play a whole lot from Presence, but they definitely, they started within the evening, which is really cool, and it sounded terrific. So, anyway, get the lead out. They were really good. So, those are the shows that I've seen recently, and just thought I'd kind of drop that on you guys. Cool. Very nice. Very nice. All right. We've reached the end of this very long.

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Yes.

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We'll take it easier on ourselves next time.

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And we haven't even scratched the surface of the things that make up our DNA.

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So that's true.

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Yeah.

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You can't clone us from this.

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No way,

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bitch.

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All right.

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Well,

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it was a pleasure.

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Thanks for this episode with you guys.

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Putting it all together,

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John.

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Oh,

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not a problem.

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And on that note,

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we hope you listened to the whole thing and maybe drop us some of your DNA

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Yeah. Tell us about what you're into, man. What kind of formed you. Exactly. Be careful. They were asking people to share their DNA with us. It's free. You don't have to pay for it. Cool. All right. Good seeing you guys. Later. All right. Rock on.