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the Stairway to Eleven.

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Hello and welcome to Stairway to Eleven.

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My name's George.

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This is John.

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And I'm TR.

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And this episode, number 17, which suddenly feels like a real number,

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we are going to talk to your today about debut albums.

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Boy, the timing couldn't be any perfect for this.

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Why's that?

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As I sent you that message the other day, if anyone follows Pete Pardo's YouTube channel,

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See It Tranquility on, obviously, YouTube, he's got, I don't know if he has 100,000 followers now, but he's pretty close.

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He does, every month he does a theme, so every day he presents an album or a band according to the theme.

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And this month just so happens, after a gazillion years on YouTube, he's doing debut albums. I was like, you gotta be kidding me. And just so everybody knows, like, we planned this, like, weeks ago. We Gene Simmons'd this thing. We had it first. Yeah, and this is obviously not like discovering Plutonium by accident by going with debut albums, but I just thought the timing was really funny.

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So I don't know if anyone who listens to us

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checks out his site. He does have some really good stuff.

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Some stuff I'm not into, but a lot of stuff I do.

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This was, like Tara said, George said, this was not

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post-Pete Pardo.

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We talked about this

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two weeks before he started.

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So we're not going to have

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any post-Pete Pardo depression.

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I hope not.

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I don't think so.

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Alrighty.

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It's been a little while,

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But I think we'll get back into the swing of things pretty quickly. Who wants to go first with their first debut album? Who would like to debut their debut album? I'll go first. Yeah, John, do it. So I have a list of, I think, 32 albums I came up with. And a lot of these, I'm sure both of you guys thought of, have on your list in some form, whether you wanted to talk about it or it's an honorable mention or,

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If they're not honorable mentions, just a list of other ones.

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So I just put them all down as I thought of them and as what I have in my collection. And I think I should have all of these as far as I know. I didn't want to talk about the usual suspects because we could always bring those up and do a quick go around on those at some point, which I figured we'd do.

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So I wanted to focus on ones that either meant something to me or had a significant bearing on my musical tastes or I thought should just be mentioned. So the first one I'll start with actually is an album I don't listen to that much, but it is considered one of the great prog albums of all time. And the reason why I went with this, it was a last minute decision is because TR and I just saw a couple.

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Band members from this band, albeit from a different version of this band, they weren't on this album, but it got me to thinking that this album should be brought up. And so the debut album, I'm going to debut first on this debut episode of debut albums is King Crimson in the Court of the Crimson King. I'm surprised. Released in 1969. Well, TR and I just saw the band Beat, which is two members.

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Well, I guess they're former members now. I don't think King Crimson is doing anything at all. I think they're fully done. But Adrian Ballou and Tony Levin, who were part of the 80s version of King Crimson and well into the 90s and afterwards, especially Tony Levin, who's been with them, I think, since 81, on and off, for the most part. We just saw them with Steve Vai and Danny Carey to form the band Beat playing 80s King Crimson with TR's friend.

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And then we also met up with my friend that T.R. also knows. My friend Joe and his son Joe Jr.

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Who I work with Joe. Or we at least work in the same building. Not in the same division anymore. Anyway, long story short. Concert buddies for many years. For many shows over the years. So we just saw them on Friday night. And it was a barn burner. It was such a good show. We had awesome seats. And quick side note T.R.

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I saw a video someone had filmed of one of the songs and you can see our heads. Oh, can you? Yeah. My buddy David Reynolds was like, hey, I just looked at your show that you went to and I saw the show you saw and I was like, oh man, he's got to go look for it. And there's actually a couple of them that were filmed. But I couldn't see us. But yeah, this stuff's out there. Yeah, you could see because if the light shines a certain way, you could see my head.

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because I'm all the way on the side. Yeah. And then if the light just shines a certain way from the stage, you can see your darker hair with glasses. Yeah. And I'm like, there's no mistake in that. So it's almost like us sitting in center stage at Prague Power and getting captured in the picture for face warning when they played. That was part of the whole art digibook thing. So anyway. Except there were only two of you. Just two of us at this. Well, it was part. Two from that group.

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Yes. So, and neither one of the guys that were playing Adrian Blue or Tony Levin were in King Crimson during this period, but it got me thinking about the album. And I do like this album a lot, although it's not my favorite from them. It's not red. It's not discipline. It's not Lark's. So with that said, I do believe it should be mentioned because of how important this album is. It's considered, by many,

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as the first progressive rock album. And I think that's probably true in the truest sense of progressive rock. It's not the first time a band was doing that type of music. I think there were bands before them that were probably venturing that way. But I think it's maybe the first from start to finish album. I don't think that's a bold statement. I think that's somewhat universal amongst prog nerds. I say that lovingly. And it's had such a lasting effect on so many bands, whether it be prog,

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or a lot of metal musicians love this album. And rightfully so. So if you're not familiar with it, like I said, probably the first start to finish prog rock album. There's some little bit of jazz in it. It features some of their biggest songs, of course, in the court of the Crimson King and 21st Century Schizoid Man. Song Epitaph is on there. If you haven't heard it and you want to see where the early beginning

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of this genre that has had many twists and turns over the years. It has either sparked unbelievable amounts of happiness from me or many moments of rage against prog hobbits, which there are many prog hobbits in the world. We're looking at you, Neerfest. Oh boy, I'm not even going to venture into that because I've got quite a laundry list of who I'm looking at. But I think it's a great album. I mean,

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You can hear so many things. 21st Century Schizoid Man really does come off like a metal song. It's so aggressive and in your face, but then it's so TR would say in your fest-ish. In your fest was a festival for prog nerds and it was an awesome festival. Northeast Art Rock Fest. Yes. And we may have nerded out there more than a few times over the years. Also, it includes songs like I Talk to the Wind, which is very,

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and very cerebral and very English sounding. Not as English sounding as Genesis, who was probably the ultimate English sounding band at that period. But it has that feel in it. And these albums influence, or these songs influence bands like Angligard and Anecdoton, which were part of the 90s revival of prog rock, which are very King Crimson-esque. I mean, bands like Tool. I know Danny Carey is a huge King Crimson fan, and you can hear that in his playing. It's just there.

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And our friend George Galen, who is a bass player and guitar player, and he plays in black metal bands, and he'll tell you that he's a King Crimson fan. So there's a lot of us out there, and I think it's a great place to start if you want to start at the very beginning for prog rock. So that is my first pick. King Crimson. You know what Cassini always says? You've got to go back to the beginning. Sure. All right.

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Okay, so I built some criteria for myself on this because this was pretty daunting given that we were going to kind of don't have all night to do this. So we picked a number of like around five records that we would do. And like John, I mean, so a couple of these are pretty obvious and a couple of these might not be. And I shot myself in the foot because I've already talked about a few of the

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records that I would have talked about in previous episodes. So they're going to be in my honorable mentions. But one of the things that I didn't do is pick albums that I wasn't like musically aware at the time when they came out. So like early stuff from the late 60s, I didn't go there. Just because I think one of the things that we've talked about in the past is just like how hard it is to fully understand when something groundbreaking takes place.

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It's easy to, when you're there and you know what it's being compared against, and you hear it against everything else that's coming out at that time and you get blown away, that's one thing. If it's a number of years later and everything else sounds like that now because that set the standard, it washes out that original thing. But clearly, some of those things are still highly significant, and I did include them in my honorable mentions.

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Anyway, I'm going to get on with it. And I can't help myself, and I have to pick this, and I know one of you guys would probably also pick this. But Van Halen, their first album that came out in 1978 with such tracks as Running With The Devil and, of course, Eddie's guitar solo, Eruption, which pretty much rewrote the book on how to play guitar. And I remember hearing that and thinking,

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There's no way this guy is playing this just by himself somehow. I just could not believe it until, of course, we all figured out what he was doing. And it was like, oh. And nobody had really done that before. I mean, you know that Ace Freely actually invented finger tapping, right? Well, Steve Hackett really invented finger tapping. But there were people doing that way before that. And not in that way, of course.

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Not in the way that Eddie employed it. And obviously, the guitar tone, the songs, just the chemistry of that band. And nobody's ever going to claim that David Lee Roth is an incredible singer. But as a vocalist and a front man, it's hard to beat. And they had a couple of tracks on this album that were covers. You Really Got Me. They really took that Kink song and took it to another level, which was pretty cool.

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And then of course Ice Cream Man, which was just a lark, but funny and showed that the band had a sense of humor. But there were a lot of scorching songs on this album. Atomic Punk, On Fire, and Ain't Talking About Love, which is really a pretty simple song, but it really rocks. And you throw in like this sitar sound and it's just nothing like this had really ever come out before. And it was really an epic.

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Epic sound, the tone of Ed's guitar and just the power of this band coming in at like the peak of disco music and punk. And here's this. And it just, it makes me laugh to think like this came out at that time when all that was going on. And here's the most epic rock that you could possibly hear. And it came out at a time that was improbable. And thankfully it did because it pretty much sent all that other stuff packing, which I'm glad about.

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So anyway, yeah, so that's my first pick. Okay. To be clear, I was joking about the Ace Frehley thing. I saw a headline recently somewhere that said, Ace Frehley says that he was tapping before I'd have an heirloom. I'm like, yeah, whatever, Ace. Jump on that Gene Simmons claim train. Ace says a lot of things. Yeah. All right. So I'm going to go in a completely different direction. I chose this one because I knew none of you guys would have it. So it's not necessarily like my favorite.

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on the list, but it's one that does resonate with me for the time period that it came out. So this is an album that was listed by Rolling Stone as one of the 100 best albums of the 90s. And when it came out, I initially was, I scoffed at it, but it didn't take long before I realized this is different. And it really got its claws into me.

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as did the album following this one. Released on September 14, 1993, this is August and Everything After by Counting Crows. Really? And you're like, what kind of BS is that, George? And I'm like, nah, man, this album. Round Here, I think, was probably, or no, Mr. Jones was probably, either Round Here or Mr. Jones was one of the first songs. My band used to play that song. And I think it was Mr. Jones that I heard first, and I was like, whatever.

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That's so dumb. But it's not. It's really good. As well as Round Here. Excuse me. Omaha, which I don't even know if that ever got much love on the radio, but that's one of my favorite songs on there. And I mean, this is one of those albums where everything's perfect. Perfect Blue Buildings, Anna Begins, Time and Time Again, Rain King. That's another Stone Cold classic right there. Oh, yeah. That actually got radio play, as I recall. Yeah. A Murder of One and a few other tracks.

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that I don't know as well, but I'm sure I know them by sound. I just don't know them by song title because I have listened to this album over and over and over. It's a very good road trip kind of album. It's chill, but it's catchy. And I'm probably not going to get a lot of cross chitchat on this one with you guys, but maybe I will. What do you got? No, I was just going to say this was the kind of music in the 90s that, like I said, that my band would play. Good, like pop, rock,

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that was catchy and people knew. And yeah, so we used to do Mr. Jones. I think that was it from this band, but it's reminiscent of a lot of the bands that were happening at this time or like a couple in that same like early to mid nineties period, like better than Ezra and some of those guys that had a couple of songs that really got big and that people remember and they were catchy songs. So yeah, I mean, I've.

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These guys had a little more staying power than some of better than Ezra. Where'd those guys go? And Counting Crows, they had their lull in popularity and quality, but they're still around here. And I think I've heard some of their newer stuff that wasn't so bad. I feel like they're one of the iconic bands of the 90s that you hear Counting Crows, you know it's Counting Crows. And I'm sure they probably jump-started a bunch of sound-alike bands, but I can't really think of it.

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I don't know anybody that sounds particularly like Counting Crows. I'm sure they're out there, but I don't know them. Yeah, whatever that like that Jacob Dillon band, what were they called? Wallflowers. Yeah, they had that sound, but not clearly the main vocalist guy. Nobody sounded like him. I mean, Adam. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know any bands that sound like that. All right. That's a good thing. I just don't. Yeah. Unfortunately, fortunately or unfortunately. So. All right. So that's my

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My first pick. Let's see what other rocks I can crawl under. Not at all. I actually think that's a good pick. I think it's better that you went that way because I purposely skipped over albums just because everybody knows them. Yeah. I've got a bunch of those on here. I try to go with ones that actually meant something to me. Yeah. All right. Well, what do you got next, John? So my next album, Everybody Knows, of course.

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I go against what I just said, but I picked this one because of how important it was to me when it came out. And it ties into my following album, too. So in a strange way. Jay would be disappointed if I didn't bring this album up. Jay, who was on here last time, and Jay's from the Metalheads podcast with George and myself. My second album was released in September of 1980. It is Ozzy Osbourne's Blizzard of Oz.

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I can't even say how important this album was albeit not my favorite Ozzy album. Diary of the Madman I like a lot more but I just really thought that this is Ozzy pulling his head out of his ass where it was for about three years prior to this and getting his act together and creating something new that was great and to be honest it ended up also

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to put out something great at the same time with him being unceremoniously asked to leave the band. I guess in what, 1979 or late 78, whatever it is. But this album was important to me just because I became such a huge Randy Rhoads fan. And while I don't play guitar, I could still appreciate his playing and everything he did. And I loved everyone else in the band. I mean, the band itself is great. They did most of the work.

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Ozzy got all the credit. Although Randy Rhodes has been revered for years. You probably know a few songs off this album. You're probably ready to destroy your radio every time you hear Crazy Train. And I would agree with you because that song now has been overplayed. But it does feature songs like I Don't Know, which to me was one of my favorite songs all throughout the 80s. I just absolutely love that song, especially hearing it live. It's got songs like Suicide Solution, Mr. Crowley.

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The Revelation, Mother Earth, Steal Away the Night, those are all great songs, in my opinion. And the Randy Rhoads period of Ozzy Osbourne's career is without question my favorite. And it dwindles a little bit, but the light starts to flicker more and more until it's out after a certain point going forward, when I just don't care anymore. But for those early 80s period, which was basically just two years, for the most part,

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I was absolutely in love with those two albums. And I think this kind of kickstarted a whole corporation, the Osboards. And it's one of the great comeback albums and debut album at the same time, which is unusual, but it is because he was booted from Black Sabbath and had to get his act together. So he went solo. Not that he really got his act together at this point. He did for two albums. And then it went sideways again real fast.

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Well, musically, yes, but I mean, he was still like out of his mind. He was, but it got a lot worse. Yeah. After this, he was he got his act together enough to Sharon got his act together. Well, he still had to do it. So I'm not giving her credit for shit because there's too many negatives associated with her. What? Exactly. So that's my second album. And I was there for this.

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I was there also for Van Halen. Obviously we were around for Counting Crows, but I remember when those two albums dropped. I remember hearing Van Halen the day it was released. So, and I do remember Blizzard of Oz dropping. It just was like, what? So, albeit 12 years old when it happened, I still was like, what? Yeah. All right. Well, my next pick is another kind of classic that everybody knows. And this will probably be,

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One of the last super classic albums that I picked. The rest are a little, not obscure, but probably, possibly ones you might not expect me to pick. And this is released in 1976, Boston, and their first album called Austin. This album, first of all, there's not a dud on this album, in my opinion. I love every one of the songs on this. And they were honed over many years.

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and essentially recorded in a basement.

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But it's got a much bigger sound than that.

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And they've all become staples of classic rock in everywhere.

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And I mean, I'm sure some could argue that it's all of these songs have been overplayed to death.

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But I still love all these songs.

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More Than a Feeling, Peace of Mind, Foreplay Long Time, which the kind of cool instrumental part before they get into long time, rock and roll band.

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Which is funny because rock and roll band makes it sound like they were this, you know, this working band that was playing all the time and they that nothing could be farther from the truth. They were like, there's a couple of guys working in a basement trying to come up with this music. Smoking, Hitch a Ride, Something About You, and the last track Let Me Take You Home Tonight. Obviously, the guitar tones on this are really,

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And Tom Schultz, the guitar player in this band, came up with his own electronic methods of compressing his sound and getting the tones that he was looking for. And pretty much created a whole new sound of guitar that pretty much everybody after that had to have. And then you've got Brad Delp, who is an incredible singer, hitting all these high notes and just a soulful kind of vocalist.

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And just a phenomenal band. And just, I love these guys. And I remember, and of course, they got tied up in lawsuits and all this other stuff. They put out this album, then they put out their next album, Don't Look Back. And then they were silent for almost another 10 years before they put out their third album, Third Stage. And I remember when that came out. And because I was too young when the first two albums came out to go see them on tour, I could not wait to go see Boston live in concert.

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And I was not disappointed. That tour was amazing. And it was just, it really hit the spot. And it was just so cool to hear these songs live by the band that wrote them and did them. So, and by that time, even by 1987, all these songs were like classic. So, so yeah, this, and I played this album. I can't tell you how many times I've listened to this album. It's pretty much, it's ridiculous how many times I listen to this.

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So, I mean, I can't say that I've listened to it recently because I think I've learned myself out on it. But when you go back and you do listen to it again, you just you discover some of the just all the cool little things that are going on. There's so many great guitar parts on this and the trading solos between Goudreau and Tom Schultz. Just so cool and just tasty, tasteful kinds of tracks and hummable solos.

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I mean, everybody knows how the solos go because you can hear them in your mind. It's not some crazy bunch of notes. It's really melodic. I don't need my ears. It's in my mind. That's right. So that's my next pick. Alrighty. Nice. Well, I am going to pick something that is also sure not to be on your list, but this is a very influential and defining moment in music history for me.

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And this album was released on October 20th, 1989. And it was, well, I can't really say that, but it certainly didn't invent industrial music by any stretch of the imagination, but it took it for sure into the mainstream. Nine Inch Nails, Pretty Hate Machine. Nice. First heard this, I actually probably

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We didn't get it until 90.

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Because it was like my senior year of high school.

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And I was asking one of my friends.

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Pre-alternative.

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I was starting to have these leanings towards,

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I need to listen to things that aren't just metal.

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This was a pre-Nirvana world.

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And I was like, dude, you listen to like punk music

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and like what we call chicken head music.

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And I was like, what should I listen to?

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And he gave me stuff like The Cure and Pretty Hate Machine.

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He's checked this out. And I listened to this and I was like, oh my God. And Trent Reznor pretty much inspired all of the horrible music that I have done since then by showing that you can make an album all by yourself. You don't need anybody else. It helps, but you don't need them. And this album just blew my mind. I mean, this was so far from where my head was when it came out that it just, it just led me to

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and a bunch of other bands and was the beginning of the rabbit hole for this style of music for me and this is another album that's just completely classic i love every song on here head like a hole was the big song off of here everybody probably knows that one oh yeah terrible that's a cool tune yeah terrible lies possibly another one i don't know i've heard that around down in it awesome sanctified

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Something I Can Never Have, I Want to Sin. That's What I Get, The Only Time, and Ring Finger. Everything on here is just like nothing you've ever heard before up to this point, probably, in 1989. And then when he followed that up with The Downward Spiral, that was just, that was it. You know, I was hooked. So, yeah, Nine Inch Nails, Pretty Hate Machine, very influential album for me.

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Did you ever get into FLA? FLA. Frontline Assembly? Oh yeah, definitely. Trent Reznor definitely leads to Frontline Assembly and Front 242 and so many other bands that I can't think of off the top of my head. I mean, even like Cabaret Voltaire and obviously Ministry. Yeah. Anything that was remotely tangential to Nine Inch Nails, I was all over it. Yeah, like Frontline Assembly. Yeah, I think we've talked about them before.

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I saw them once. I think I did too. Yeah. It was cool. Actually, no, it was, I think it was Front 242. Yeah, I think it was them. I think they were at Lollapalooza. But I did see Nine Inch Nails once as well in the late 90s probably. Early aughts, somewhere around there. When did we see MTR? We saw them with now the infamous Jane's Addiction. Yeah, on the Ninja Tour, right? Yeah, it was good. That would have been what, 2000?

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9 maybe? I think so. That was, we had good, well, we were far back, but we had really cool seats. We were directly, I think, center stage, weren't we almost on our seats? Just far back. It was a good tour. All right. Back to you, John. So I mentioned that my next album was somewhat tied to Blizzard of Oz in a weird sort of way. And that's because the guitarists in this band actually,

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was a guitarist in Ozzy's band for a little bit. Although, the only album he recorded was a live album with Ozzy. So my number two, I'll start out by saying, this is not the debut album you thought I was going to say. So it's Night Ranger's Dawn Patrol. It's the one I thought you were going to say. Yeah, you did. I'm talking about the listeners. So I absolutely love this album. I don't care what anybody says.

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I love Night Ranger. It's a good hard rock AOR album. It has all the 80s cliches. I don't mean that in their playing. It's just the heavy guitars with the kind of poppy synths and kind of the rockin' verses with the kind of poppy choruses, which was symptomatic of this time, especially 82 going into 83, 84 in that period.

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The difference with this band compared to other bands is they had two incredibly good guitarists and Brad Gillis and Jeff Watson. And Jeff Watson used to tap too, by the way. He was pretty good at it. But Brad Gillis was the connection I was referring to with Ozzy. He was the second guitarist to come in after Randy Rhodes had died. And I actually saw Brad Gillis, not realizing it at the time, but I saw him as Ozzy's guitarist on the Diary of the Magic.

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Not knowing it at the time, obviously. Because I was a kid and I didn't realize that. And then I saw him basically a couple years later, maybe a year and a half later, with Night Ranger when they opened for Sammy Hagar at the Cow Palace on Sammy Hagar's Three Lock Box Tour. But I was blown away seeing Night Ranger, who I did not know, although both bands were from the Bay Area. They opened up with a song called Play Rough, and I was just mesmerized.

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They just came out

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and just the place exploded.

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It was a hometown show for both.

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It was awesome.

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And I became a fan of the first two albums.

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Yeah.

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I didn't really venture much after that.

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Probably could with the next album.

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Maybe I could probably go back and check it out.

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Appreciate what it is.

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But this album got a lot of MTV Airplay.

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Now, not as much as the following album.

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Yeah.

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But it got a lot because it had big songs like Don't Tell Me You Love Me,

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which was a big.

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Yeah.

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But there's other great songs off this album, like Sing Me Away, which I always thought was a really cool tune with great guitar work. And it had that kind of pop melody, you know, melodic sensibilities in the chorus. At Night She Sleeps is a great song. Eddie's coming out tonight. I mentioned Play Rough, the song Penny, the song Night Ranger's a really cool dark tune. I mean, I love this album a lot. I think they're best, even though I'm not as familiar with a lot of their later stuff.

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The Band's Loaded with really good musicians. I mentioned Brad Gillis and Jeff Watson, but Jack Blades is in the band, the bass player and singer, who has been pretty well known for a long time with Damn Yankees and all these other projects he's involved with. Kelly Keagy, the drummer and singer for probably their biggest song, Sister Christian, which is on the subsequent album that came out. And then Alan Fitzgerald, the keyboardist, was also the keyboardist at Montrose and Sammy Hagar. Yeah, yeah. I didn't realize that he was in that band.

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Yeah.

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So it was quite a debut. I thought it was a very good debut. And it was probably one of the better albums that mixed hard rock and AOR together. Sort of like Journey, but without some of the very ballady type stuff. This album, at least. Journey was venturing more into the ballady stuff while still having some hard rockers in their catalog.

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But it was the same kind of concoction, mixture of Hard Rock AOR. There weren't really, there might have been, I think, one ballot off this album. I'd have to, I think, maybe Call My Name was a ballot. I listened to it a little bit today, and I didn't listen to everything. I just wanted to reacquaint myself with a couple things, because it's been a little while. It's been a minute since I listened to it. But as soon as I put it on, all the memories came back, especially seeing them live. And so I've held steadfast on this one, and I'll fight anyone to the death.

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who says otherwise, because they had, and Brad Gillis is still a great guitar player in, I guess he's well into his 70s now. Still awesome. Still a great player. So, and Jack Blade still sounds great. He's in his 70s, so. Yeah, I saw them at M3 a few years back, and they were good. Yeah, I mean, take it for what it is, obviously, they weren't the only band that sounded like this, but I thought they had an edge, a little bit of an edge on the early stuff. Yeah.

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It didn't last too long because they became popular. They started venturing into more commercial areas. So. Yeah, this was a record in Columbia House record club. Purchase for me was the second album, Midnight Madness. And yeah, that blew me away. Like first two songs on the album. Obviously, You Can Still Rock in America is a radio song. Oh, God. Yeah. And that's probably my favorite song by them. I just, but closely followed by a song that I don't know if,

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I don't know if it was released as a single. It's called Sister Christian. No, just kidding. Rumors in the Air. Do you know that? Rumors in the Air is awesome. I love that song. I saw them on that tour. They went from opening for Sammy on Dom Patrol to headlining the Warfield on the next album. And they were great both nights. They were awesome. And they're from the hood, you know? So you've got to support the hood. The players. There's so many great musicians.

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All we heard about was LA and Seattle. San Francisco had a lot of good bands. That's right. Yeah. All right. Yes. So we just mentioned the band that I'm going to come up with next. In 1988, Jane's Addiction released Nothing's Shocking. And I got to tell you, when I heard this album, I was blown away by everything about it. And just, again, like the epic guitar,

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The massive epic sound of it. Perry Farrell's vocals. He sounds like he's, I don't know, it sounds like he's just really laying it out when he's singing. And this album just had some really wild different things going on in it. From heavy songs like Mountain Song. Oh yeah. To just these kind of goofy tunes like Standing in the Shower Thinking.

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but it's still catchy and ocean size which is massive and just just kills to like this

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little interstitial jazzy thing called thank you boys which is just it completely sounds out of place but

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yet they're totally capable of playing that and then of course the track that everybody knows

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Jane Says which is a pretty simple song because it really just goes it's two chords pretty much

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But what a great tune. And that really was one of their first tunes to really break them, I think. And then the cool thing about this album, too, is they were friends with Flea. And he plays the trumpet on this album on a song called Idiot's Rule. And of course, he played bass on it as well. So anyway, it was just a really awesome album. And I've seen Jane's Addiction a number of times, as you mentioned, John, on the Nine Inch Nails tour.

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And they always put on just a transcendent show. And I've always enjoyed seeing them live because one of their later tracks that they did on subsequent albums called Three Days, that always takes me to a whole nother place when they play that live. And that's just a really cool song. The cool thing about Jane's Addiction is just that you've got these rocking songs, but then there's like this, there's a progressive element to them.

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at times in some of their songs.

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And then there's all these other ingredients like punk and pop and just you name it.

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It's a blender.

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And I think a lot of it's because each of the guys in the band has totally different musical interests and tastes.

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And somehow they were all able to blend all that stuff into Jane's and come up with the songs that they came up with,

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which to me are a greater sum of the parts than each of the parts individually so

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yeah so that's my third pick you forgot a song to mention on there oh pigs in zen had a dad oh had a dad yeah

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and they that was re-released again off of the ben caught stealing single i think and i think it was a live version it was awesome yeah also i thought it's funny that jane says was actually originally released on a live album that came out first well yeah

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So this is really their first studio album. I know. Their first album was a live album. And yes, you're correct. And actually, yeah, it had a couple of other tracks on that live album that actually never even showed up on any of their studio albums. And I always liked the live version better when I heard it on the radio. It just had a different vibe to it. And I'll choose to remember this Jane's Addiction as opposed to what we're having to witness right now.

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Yeah, so that's a real shame. And actually, the two new tracks that they put out are pretty decent. Even their later albums, like Strays and I can't remember the one that came after that, but they still were releasing what I felt was really good music. I don't know that it'll ever approach the first two albums, but it was still really good. And there is a chemistry with that band that you can't deny. It's just a shame that

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you know, we've ended up where we are with them. I hope that they can work it out. It just seems such a tragedy after Navarro went through long COVID and just he's finally back in the band. They're touring and it's okay. And actually, I regret that I did not see the show. My buddy Colin saw them. That they stripped it all away. They completely went back to their roots on this tour and had it just the four of them.

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without backup dancers or singers or all the extraneous stuff that came later, which was entertaining. But to take it back to the roots of the band of just like four dudes on a stage playing this music, that sounded really compelling to me. And I really wish I had gotten to see that. And now who knows if they'll ever put it back together again, but I'm hopeful they will. We'll see. Yeah. All right. Well, my next album is,

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a little tangential to both that and my previous one. And the band has been mentioned. Released April 6th, 1993. The sign says, Beware of the Undertow by Tool. I first heard of these guys at Lollapalooza in, I'm guessing, 93? 94? Somewhere around there. Yeah, that's probably when it,

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I think well no I think didn't it did it start in 91 I can't remember Lollapalooza I don't know yeah but I mean no but yeah I know they did one at that time yeah they were like nobody knew who they were really when they did they weren't even on the main stage I don't think they were just a small band and I was like what is this and I immediately had to run out to the local record store afterward and find this album and this

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This is another iconic album that influenced a lot of bands and was mildly proggy as well. But when Sober came out, that was just like mind-blowing. And they're an interesting band in that they haven't released a lot of music over the years. That last album they put out, which I can't even remember the name of.

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Yeah, that one. That was when they were getting ready to release that. It was like a Chinese democracy kind of joke. I was never going to release that album. And eventually they finally didn't. And honestly, I didn't think all that much of it, but I might not have been in the right headspace. I've heard good things about it. So maybe I'll revisit that. But Undertow is a stone cold classic. Sober, prison sex, intolerance, bottom, crawl away, swamp song, under the title track, all amazingly.

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heavy and interesting and unusual songs,

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but not like completely out of left field,

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not like a,

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what's a completely out of left field band.

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I don't know.

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Like that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like that.

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It's different and it's interesting,

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but it's still relatable and catchy and obviously popular.

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Well,

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and they hadn't blown up yet.

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I mean,

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they were well known because sober had tons of play on MTV,

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but they hadn't blown up.

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just yet, where they became like this megalithic band so quickly. So you could still enjoy the sound. I absolutely hated Sober when it came out. I hated that video so much. I was like, oh, not this again. But as I started hearing other songs, I was like, all right, I need to go back and re-listen. And I was like, okay, I stand corrected. And while I'm not the biggest Tool fan, I do like their stuff.

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I just get tired of waiting for new music. That's all my issue. But I saw them one time only. And it was cool. I was glad to see them. At least once. But I do like this album a lot. Yeah, I'm really mostly the first two albums. But I keep meaning to try and get further into the catalog. And I just haven't. So I don't have much more to listen to. No, three more. What's the problem, George? There's only a couple more albums. I know. I know. It might take you 25 years to listen to them.

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Well, hold on. We've got... Where'd it go? Ah! Discography. Okay. Yeah, Lateralists. Everybody's like, ooh, yeah! And I'm like, I don't know, I just didn't get into that one. And 10,000 days, same thing. I was like, eh. Well, with Lateralists, the live show of that, that tour was mind-blowing to me.

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That was one of the few shows where, again, you want to talk about Transcendent. I felt like I got onto another. And trust me, folks, no drugs or other substances were used. I felt like I achieved a different level of consciousness when I watched that tour. That Lateralis show was really something. And I came away from that thinking, wow, these guys just put on a show.

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that like took me to another place like it was unlike any concert that I had seen and so for me that that I can I can tell you like yeah maybe just listening to the album you don't get there but having seen that tour I was like wow this is amazing that that kind of had an impact on me in terms of their later output yeah I don't know maybe they were a little proggier by then because I just don't recall there being a lot of hooks on those third and

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and forth albums that made me go, oh yeah, it's like an earworm and I want to come back. But I could be wrong. I am frequently wrong. No, I think you're right about that. I think the music became more technical and became more methodical. And the planning into each song, I think, got bigger and bigger starting with that period. To the point where it kind of hampers them, I think, and holds them back from releasing new music.

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because they're such perfectionists and i get that but man at some point you're like

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just released two songs they're going to be 10 minutes long anyway so i mean yeah i mean it's hard

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when that output is that slow so how many have we done three yeah okay all right well back to john again

00:47:09.660 --> 00:47:17.519
so this one was somewhat of a revelation for me when it came out for a number of reasons and

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And when I tell you why, you'll soon realize that it didn't matter, obviously, because it didn't matter to begin with. I just was surprised by what I was hearing and then what I was seeing, because it, at the time, did not make sense to me. But by the time I got to the third song, I was like, I don't care about any of that shit. This album is badass. And it was, for a lot of different reasons. And it had nothing to do with my initial,

00:47:47.540 --> 00:47:49.540
intake of the information that I got.

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Because it was information overload immediately for me.

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So it's 1988 and I'm at the record store.

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And I'm trying to remember where, which one I was at.

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I'll think of it at some point.

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But I was standing there and they were blasting this album.

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And they put it on.

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And it just came in super heavy.

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And it had this serious groove.

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And I was like, what is going on here?

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And I was still sifting through.

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And it just kept going. Next song, I'm like, okay, I'm going to have to find out who this is when I make it up to the front at some point. And it just kept going. And I was like, all right, that's it. I need to. This is the third song. I'm into this. Who is this? I'm buying this. And I walk up and the guy hands me the CD. He says, it's this band. I'm like, no, it's not. He's like, yeah, it is, man. I know. And that band was Living Color and the album was Vivid. Yeah.

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And I'll never forget the first time I heard this because I looked at the back of that album cover and I was like, hold on here. There are four black guys dressed up in very colorful outfits playing this music. Are you sure it's the same band I'm listening? He goes, yeah, dude, it is. And I went, all right, I'll take my money. And I put this back on at home. And I was like, first of all, that thought disappeared within seconds. It just caught me by surprise. 1988, hip hop was big. It was huge.

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And those, the colors and the clothes caught me off guard. I was like, no, this can't be this. It was like, I was almost looking like at Will Smith. It was too vivid. It really was. And then I put that album on and I was just like, what am I listening to? And became an instant fan. And my, just to go to show you, don't always judge a book by its cover, right? I mean, because there were no bands like this at all. No, not in the 80s.

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I mean, you had a couple guys that a couple black guys playing with white bands and not that meant anything. It just in the metal world and hard rock scene, it was few and far between. Yeah. If anything, hip hop, even though I wasn't a fan, kind of bridged that gap a little bit, you know, between run DMC and Aerosmith. Right. And also should give credit to anthrax and George help me out. Oh, God. Public enemy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I was like, what? It's been too long. Yeah. But I mean, those. And then the judge,

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Day soundtrack, obviously, a few years later. And then what Ice-T with his body count band and all that kind of pushed even further. But at that time in the late 80s, it was, whoa. I mean, if you're a King's X fan, you knew about Doug from King's X. He was a badass. If you were a fan of Thin Lizzy, obviously, Motorhead with Filthy Phil, I believe, right? Is that his name? Am I correct in that or is that wrong? The drummer. What about him? Was he a black guy in the band? Not that I'm aware of. Oh, I couldn't remember.

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I couldn't I point is I'm not making a big deal about this it just was new I didn't expect it at all no nobody did it was like everything was so hip-hop at that time I'm probably wrong but I just I'm trying to place all these bands they were all just so singular at the time and then all of a sudden there's four guys and not only could they play and write great music I saw them live and they just absolutely destroyed every place I saw them I think three times in the span of two years in San Francisco for both

00:51:11.680 --> 00:51:41.640
both their first two albums and they just got bigger and bigger for each show and each time they just destroyed the place they were so good songs i mean you've heard cult of personality but songs like middleman desperate people you've heard open letter glamour boys these those three songs i mentioned those five for all big songs yeah but they had other songs like memories can't wait which i don't like covers their cover that talking head song is awesome i mean they played kind of punky songs on their shows they

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I played songs I never thought to ever listen to that were covers and it just blew me away. Literally burned this CD to the ground. I played it so much because they're just that good. It's just in the initial reaction. I was like, huh? And that got just shoved away so fast because like, I don't care if these guys are from Mars with three heads. These guys can play. And it didn't even make a difference. And if anything, I liked them even more because they were bridging a gap at that time.

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that I never expected to see. Great album. And I have since kind of not fallen out with them. I just haven't paid attention as much after their third album. I just didn't listen that much anymore. So, which is too bad because I thought the first two were great. Third was just okay. Had that cool song, Bye, Everybody's Bye, which I thought was always funny when I heard that because that has catchy little riff to it. Great album. If you don't know it and you only know the actual popularity,

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tracks and I suggest you go back because

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yeah I think I'm gonna need to because

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I never I obviously know

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the hits but never really listened

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to that album and oh man I

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mean I don't need to I and I know

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there's some issues with his guitar

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tone with some people I get it but

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songs like middleman and desperate

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people or is it funky vibe I think is

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there a funny vibe oh my god so good

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Driving Hard. They were mixing metal, rock, funk, all that kind of stuff together, all in the same kind of stew of awesomeness. So I've got something along that line. My next pick released in 1992, Rage Against the Machine. Oh yeah. Their album Rage Against the Machine. I'm glad somebody grabbed that. I thought about it.

00:53:39.060 --> 00:54:08.660
And I'm telling you, the first time I heard this, I just was blown away at just how powerful this sounded. And just, I mean, Rage is a perfect name for this album because you can hear it. Like, Zack De La Rocha and his approach was like nothing I'd ever heard. And I really didn't listen to any real rap. I mean, I really listened to Run DMC and like stuff like that, but not like anything.

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like this is almost hardcore like it's really serious and and then you've got like Tom Morello playing this guitar that sounds like it's from outer space and doing these wacky things that I don't even know yeah or well that was yeah exactly that was a new sound right that was the first time I'd heard anything like that and then just like some of the wacky sounds that he gets out of a guitar and I'm thinking to myself I don't know how he's doing that I have no

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He had no idea how he's making that sound. And he would do that. The funny thing is the guy could play like crazy. But yet some of the solos were just him making weird sounds. He would just have a solo where it was just like, okay, let's just do some outrageous sounding thing that has neither melody nor anything. It's just completely atonal and just is going crazy. And I mean, I think it's interesting that he took the approach, like, because he's

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He's perfectly capable of shredding and doing, playing in any style, really. The guy is super talented. Yep. But he understood that for this band, he was playing the role of the guitar player and the DJ scratching the records because he was making record scratch sounds with his guitar. And he was putting these strange sounds in there that were just really unexpected and something I'd never heard before.

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And each of these songs is, it's somebody's trying to wake you up. And that's one of the tunes is Wake Up, Bomb Track, Killing in the Name. I mean, many people have heard all of these. Take the Power Back, Settle for Nothing, Bullet in the Head, Know Your Enemy. I mean, you hear like all the titles of this stuff and it's absolute revolution. And now while I don't espouse the politics of this band, I was completely taking care of it.

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in by the sound, the power, and just the overall sound, and just the general delivery of this was so incredible that, I don't know, it just seemed to take a whole bunch of Jane's Addiction, but in a totally different way. They took all these different sources and styles and mixed them all in. So you've got rap, you've got metal, you've got funk, you've got all of these different things.

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happening and it all works and really there's just you feel almost exhausted by the time you come to the end of the album because it's just oh my god like this the level of output of just emotion and just everything is just incredible so yeah that these guys just blew me away when i heard this album and it was it sounded nothing like anything i'd ever heard before no at all as uh so

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I recorded the music for Killing in the Name. I didn't do any of the vocals because I am no Zach. But I did record the music and the guitars on that album, sorry, that song are just ridiculous. Like, it's not that they're that complicated, but it's just like that. It's just so clever and different and original. And yeah, I can't say enough good things about this album.

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It's back to me again, isn't it? It is. We're going fast. All right, so now is the time for the album that I'm sure you're waiting for from me. Because what episode can go by without me talking about this band, my favorite band of all time? In the lights. Yes. Released on April 23rd, 1976. The self-titled album from Ramones. They kicked off punk rock. They

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As far as I'm concerned, defined it and perfected it. And that was all you ever needed, though. There are other good punk rock albums and bands, but the Ramones are my favorite band of all time. And their first album, while not my favorite, it definitely has some of my favorite songs on there. I mean, Blitzkrieg, Bob, everybody knows that one, even if they don't think they know it, they know it. Beat on the Brat, not a PC song, but, uh, but catchy.

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I want to be your boyfriend, which is very, I'm guessing, and this is their first song to be like, this is a very much like a sixties pop ballad song. Hey, little girl, I want to be your boyfriend, which goes right into chainsaw, which is just crazy. Now I want to sniff some glue. Nobody said these guys were smart, loud mouth Havana affair. 53rd and third, the song where he talks about pimping himself out for drinking.

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to men.

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It's quite the album.

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And there was nothing like this before.

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And probably nothing quite like it after,

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even though many have tried.

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Frickin Ramones.

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That's,

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that's all I gotta say is Ramones.

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Demons high school football rules.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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I know you guys don't have much to say about that.

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So.

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I never,

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I'm.

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You guys hate the remains.

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I'm going to say it again.

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You guys hate the remains.

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In this household.

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In this household, I'm not the big Ramones fan. Jen is. She saw them. So she loves them. I like them. I just never got into them that much. Meaning like I never had to buy stuff because I could always hear it anytime I wanted to. Yeah. I don't have any ill will towards them other than those hairdos were a little annoying after a while. Hey, that was part of the shtick, right? Yeah. But they were fun band. Just a couple of

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Bums from New York. Yeah. And they helped kick off a whole scene in New York. So what ended up became, they were one of the originals. You get, there's always debate about who's the first punk band. Well, it's funny because all the other bands that they hung out with in the New York CBGB punk scene, quote unquote, none of them actually sounded the same. I mean, all the bands sounded different. You had Blondie and television and talking heads and no, no,

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None of them quite sounded like each other and certainly none of them sounded like the Ramones but they were all part of the same scene. That could be said somewhat too for the very first bands in England also I think because most of those bands would tell you it was over in a hot minute like what six months I think some of them say that scene was to them was dead already. Yeah but it all started when the Ramones went over there and played in London and like all the big the clash everybody that was ever going to be in the London

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Punk scene was at that Ramones show. Yeah. So a lot of those bands ventured far away at some point. Yeah. Help me remember who what was the band with Sid Vicious? Sex Pistols. Yeah, exactly. Those guys. Billy Idol was there. Susie and the Banshees. They were there. Everybody that was in the like late 70s, early 80s. I'm guessing the Damned were probably there. Probably.

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I think so it's just amazing like you hear about the people that were at these shows

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and if only we could consider how far punk has changed over the years now we have Green Day yes I mean even Green Day is 35 years old or whatever but pop punk but they redefined what punk was when Dookie came out oh god yeah yeah and they did and it's and then it went to blank and just whatever and I don't

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I don't dislike that stuff. I like a lot of the

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pop punk stuff too.

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But I prefer the oldies.

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The first wave.

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Yeah, the first wave.

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All right, back to John.

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All right, so before we go any further, strike my Phil

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Taylor comment from the last section on who I was thinking of.

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No, I'm saying for anyone, for that one motorhead fan that's

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listening.

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That would be me.

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Yeah.

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Wait a minute.

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I got him mixed up with somebody else.

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I for the life of me cannot figure out who I was talking about,

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but it doesn't matter.

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The Point Was Made.

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So who were you talking about?

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I don't know.

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I can't figure it out now.

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But I know it's not him.

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He knows who it wasn't.

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Yeah.

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I see.

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I went back and I looked.

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No, that's not who I'm thinking of.

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Damn it.

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Can't keep it all together, man.

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It's too much music to remember.

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Yeah, well, you're sitting in front of a wall of it.

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So it's not surprising.

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Well, it's just one of the walls.

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Yeah, I know.

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Anyway.

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All right.

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So my last one here of featured ones.

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I'm going to go in the way forward machine for this one and go all the way to 2002. And this is a metal album, but I think it's kicked off a whole new spectrum of music that started with the 21st century that a lot of, maybe not with this album, but as we get further into their career, they became bigger. For this period, it's huge. For bands, part of them, it wouldn't be that big. But now they're super big,

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given how wide everything is. But they, I think, kicked a number of new bands to follow in their footsteps. Maybe not sounding like them, but maybe playing music that's similar to them. And so my final album here is Macedon's Remission, which was released in May of 2002. And this is a full-blown metal album, but it was an important album, I think, because nobody was... There were bands doing this sound, but they brought the aggression,

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to the sludge sound, which now they're full on a prog band. When you could debate if they're a prog band or a prog rock at this point, I think they're a combination of both. But I think this is an interesting one to bring up because they've used like the less hardcore sound that was there, that was part of their kind of influences. They brought prog into it and this thing called sludge, which if you don't know what sludge is, just listen, then you'll understand what sludge is.

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You don't have to know what it is. You just have to hear it. And it is. It's an aggressive album. And it's not a rock album at all by any means. Nope. But what they develop into, I think, is the reason why I'm making reference to them, because all four of them are great musicians. They're all very good at what they do. And you don't really notice it at first. You can hear the influences, but you don't notice it at first. And as time goes on, you see how good they really are.

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And then they become more of a kind of household name, not a huge name, because we don't have huge bands on the metal side anymore. No. But they did tour with Metallica. Ghost is pretty big, though. Ghost is good. Yeah, they're one of them. Yes. But there's not many, to be honest. We saw one that's massive in Europe, and they're still small here. We just saw Priest with Sabaton. They're big there, but here they do okay. But I just thought this was an interesting choice. One, because it's

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an odd choice to do on this.

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But I always thought this was a great album.

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Because it has so many great songs that I think some people forget.

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They have songs like Crusher Destroyer.

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These names are awesome.

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March of the Fire Ants.

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Workhorse.

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Ol' Nessie.

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Mother Puncher.

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You're like, what?

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But to see this band, especially early on, which I saw them on the next album.

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No, two albums.

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What's the name of the next album again? I'm asking for a friend named Matt. I know there's a whale. Yar. I think it has to do with Moby Dick. Ah, Leviathan. Indeed. That's it. Now I know what we're talking about here. Back in the penalty box, Matt, you're not even here. Yeah. It's weird because you could hear some Rush influence on this album. There is a little bit like an old Nessie. It doesn't sound anything like Rush, but just the

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to the song and how they build up their longer songs. You hear that. So that's why I thought this was an interesting and unique pick because they did become progressive metal juggernauts with each album that followed. There's some duds after a certain point, in my opinion, but plenty of people love them. And that's all that matters is that they still have a huge volume and they're getting bigger with every album. Yeah. So I just thought it was a unique

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different one to go with. This is not the debut album you thought I was going to mention. So that would be another one of those. Cool. So I went in a metal direction myself on this last choice. In a metal mood. In a metal mood. It was difficult because I actually was torn between two albums for this. And I ultimately went with this one. And the other one is going to be a very strong honorable mention. And this one is

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is released in 1983. Dio's Holy Diver. Nice. Been down too long. So this out of Black Sabbath, it's okay. What's he going to do next? He'd already been in Rainbow. He'd already been in Black Sabbath. And now it's okay. This is Dio like on his own. And he got an outstanding band to play with him. And the songs on this album are all phenomenal. Stand Up and Shout, Holy Diver, Gypsy.

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Caught in the Middle, Don't Talk to Strangers, Straight Through the Heart, Invisible, Rainbow in the Dark, which everybody is probably most familiar with, and Shame on the Night. And every one of these songs rocks. It's just pure Dio. He's definitely finding his way and calling the shots the way he wants them to be. He's no longer kind of beholden to other members of the band or having to compromise.

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at all. Not that any of the other bands were a compromise, but because obviously the stuff he did with Sabbath was phenomenal. And I don't think that anybody would say that any of that was there was any duds in that stuff. Ozzy Mike. Well, maybe, but I wouldn't. And I would say any fans of that period of Sabbath or Heaven and Hell, whatever you want to call them. No, they were Black Sabbath. They were at that time. Yes. And they never been Heaven and Hell. That was a shame.

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They've always been Black Sabbath. Touched a nerve here. No, it's just a fact. So anyway. Yeah. So yeah. So now I never, well, I did see Dio later on, but I didn't see this tour. And many would say that after the, after this album and one after it, when they just, well, I guess for a couple of albums, just didn't have the same chemistry, didn't have the same chemistry and didn't have the same,

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Same kind of music. And of course, like when you start getting into like the 90s and the 2000s with Dio, it's in my opinion, it didn't reach the heights of his early albums that I felt were almost untouchable. So anyway, that's my fifth pick. Are you okay with that last statement, George? Sorry, I was reading about my album and I missed it. You were supposed to be highly offended because I just besmirched your

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Oh, everything. Oh, everything. Oh, everything. After draw. I was like, next line is like, be careful. Yeah. Did you just smack talk? Sacred heart? No, I did not. He caught himself and he said the first few albums. Yeah. Smack talking my sacred heart. I didn't want to. Yeah. I didn't want to get into trouble here. Yeah. I was like, easy. Even dream evil is good. Yeah. That's the last one, but I'm with you on that one too. I'm like,

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Okay.

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All the fools sailed away.

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Come on now.

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It's just like Alice in Chains does Dio.

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That was a nice little lane you had there.

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Like a gravelly smoke eight packs a day lane.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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Don't mess with my sacred heart.

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I'm not going to do it.

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I was wondering who was going to pick Dio.

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It was on my list.

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It's on my list too.

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Mm-hmm.

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All right.

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My Next Pick is also in a metal mood. And it's another genre-defining album. Curiously, I didn't plan this. I just went that way. So this is an album unlike any other before it. And Jay can go do whatever he wants with himself. But this album, released on May 25, 1987,

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is in fact the beginning of death metal. That is death, scream, bloody gore. I bought this on cassette when it first came out. Not having heard it, I just saw the album cover. It was on combat, which was a label that I bought everything from in the eighties. And I was like, you look at the album cover and that's totally metal. A bunch of dead dudes drinking on a throne and an altar or whatever. Skeletons and Snuggies.

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Basically. Yeah. It's basically the metalheads podcast now, but, but at the time I was like, well, that looks cool. Let me just buy that. Cause that's what you did in the 80s. This looks cool. I'll buy that. And no internet. And I got it home and I popped it in and I started playing it and I was like, what is this? Okay. I'd never heard. And I swear that I coined the term cookie monster vocals because I heard this and I said, this is cookie monster vocals.

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And I swear that I coined that term. You must have. Nobody else did it. No, nobody else. You coined it after Gene Simmons. Nobody else in that little town in Michigan might have said that first. Yeah. He was doing the original Cookie Monster. Well, that's right. Yeah. And then he coined the term. I was the first one in my little group of people to get this album, as far as I know. And I mean, you just listen to these song titles. And I mean, that alone was enough to make me pick it up. I mean, Infernal Death, whatever.

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zombie ritual cats regurgitated guts in 1987 i was like regurgitated guts what the hell is that

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that's gross baptized in blood torn to pieces scream bloody gore and i did not get it at the time i did not get it i played it and i was like hey and i took it out and tossed it in the pile and maybe a couple weeks later i was like let me just listen to that again and then played it

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And I was like, yeah, I don't get this. It took me a long while to finally figure this out. And now, honestly, this is probably my favorite death album, except for symbolic, just because it's so raw and evil and new and new in 87. Chuck was just doing something wildly different possessed. I know Jay shut up. But I, even though they had a song called death metal, I think they were still more of a thrash band personally.

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A heavy thrash band, to be sure. I would concur. Given the lyrical content of this album and the extremeness of it, I call this the first death metal album. And I was there, man. I was there. Boy, we couldn't have had two albums with two album covers that did not necessarily... Now the death album cover looks like it sounds, but at the time you're probably like, I don't know what I'm getting into.

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I felt when I bought the new living code. I was like, what am I getting into here? And got blown away, right? Yeah. And you know, I had seven churches as well. And I probably thought the same thing. I was just like, okay, whatever. I went back and listened to Sacred Heart a little more. But yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. Hindsight's 20-20. That's right. Glad, when I mentioned remission, I was like, oh boy, am I going to be the only one that goes that far out? And then George drops a skull.

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Yeah, I might just go ahead and jump into my first honorable mention because I am shocked that nobody mentioned this. You get one. I'm just kidding. Just one? I'm just kidding. Please, sir, I want some more. All right, go ahead. Alice in Chains, facelift. It's on my list, and I contemplated that with Mastodon at the end because I had a list of 10 and I was choosing based on what you guys might. Yeah.

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I mean, I almost switched over to this just because nobody mentioned it. I was like, ah, one of these guys is going to mention this. Nobody did. Oh, no, definitely. So that was another one that was like an odd one because it was more, I mean, everybody says they were a metal band despite the alternative era and they were metal fans. And they, when this came out, they toured with metal bands. They were on the Clash of the Titans tour with Slayer and Exodus, I think, and Halloween or something like that.

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And I think fans booed them and stuff because they weren't considered, they weren't thrash metal. And so it was a weird billing for them. But it did get them out there and people heard them. And of course, the videos on MTV just blew them up. Man in the Box and stuff like that. Bleed the Freak, one of my personal favorites. It's awesome. It Ain't Like That, We Die Young. That's a great album. Everything on that album is just magnificent. And then it gets completely dwarfed.

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by the follow-up.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Do we want to go through these?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, me too.

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I got a bunch.

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All right.

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And I'll probably grab at least one here, I'm thinking.

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So I'll do three then?

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Is that what you want to do?

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Yeah, let's do three.

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All right.

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And then we'll be dwindling down from there, I'm sure.

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All right.

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Mine are all in alphabetical order, so that helps you.

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My first one, The Doors.

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Yeah.

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On January 1967, this album had Break On Through to the Other.

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The Crystal Ship, 20th Century Fox, Light My Fire, Back Door Man, and The End. That came out January 4th, 1967. So they wrote all those songs in 1966 at the latest possible date. They could have had that. And I'm sure they were working on stuff before. That's how long back that album goes. And if you're not a Doors fan, I get it. Not everyone's a Doors fan, but I think it's a great debut album. I'm a Doors fan. I get it.

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All right. My second one, also from 1967. Hendrix, Are You Experienced? Yeah, baby. That was on my list. Cool. Great album. I mean, there's 18,000 different versions of this album and different songs on it. And the one I found that looks the closest to being the original, I think, had Purple Haze, Manic Depression, Hey Joe, The Wind Cries Mary, Fire, Foxy Lady, Are You Experienced? I know I didn't include everything. I just grabbed a few songs. Wind Cries Mary. Love that song.

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so much. You don't even have to be a Hendrix fan to love that song. It's just, it's such a good song. And the one I figured you guys might both have, I'm going to snag here, Led Zeppelin, or Led Zeppelin 1, which came out in 1960, featuring songs like Good Times, Bad Times, Babe, I'm Gonna Leave You, Days of Confused, Your Time Is Gonna Come, which is such a stick-it-in-your-face song, by the way. Your Time Is Gonna Come. Communication Breakdown, How Many More Times.

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I can't even describe the influence that album had. Even if it's not your favorite from them. Just influenced hard rock, blues rock. It's not metal, but it influenced metal bands. Yeah, and it had a huge sound. Oh, God. I mean, that album is just so... It's well-recorded, and when you listen to it, it just sounds huge. Yeah, it really does. Huge. There'll be a certain drummer who's famous.

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And I don't even know how to pronounce his last name. I'll tell you he taught John Bonham how to do all the drums on the album. I don't know if that's the case, but it is a huge album. Was it Ace Frehley? Oh, no, wait. No, he probably taught Ace Frehley how to play guitar too. Yeah. All right. So there's three from me. Okay. All right. I'm going to sneak in four because it actually falls off. Cheeky. Cheeky monkey. So that's because actually all four of these were previously mentioned on episodes that we've already done.

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So on episode two,

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I talked about Donald Fagan's,

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the night fly.

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So we don't need to get into it too much here.

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Go back and listen to that episode.

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And you'll hear me talk about everything that you could possibly hope to know about that album.

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But again,

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love it.

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And I think it was a great debut album from that artist.

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Episode seven,

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we talked about Mars Volta,

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D.

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Laust in the comatorium,

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another band that when they came out,

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they sounded like nobody else.

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And in episode 15, our 1985 roundup, my selections there that were cool debuts were The Firm and The Outfield, Play Deep. Love both of those albums, and I think they were outstanding debuts for those two bands. Nice. All right, let me just clear off some of the big names here since it got to me and they haven't been said yet.

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First up, Black Sabbath. On my list. Don't even need to say anything about that one. That is like the album of all time. So, Black Sabbath. Let's move a decade forward to another self-titled album from England, Iron Maiden. On my list. I mean, come on. Sanctuary. Charlotte the Harlot. The title track, Iron Maiden. Sanctuary. Oh, how'd you say that?

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Sanctuary.

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That was on the US edition.

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Did we mention Sanctuary?

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Sorry, I was looking at the song list, and it was side two and then side two North American.

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So I skipped side one, like Remember Tomorrow, which Opeth did a cover of, Running Free, and the massively awesome Phantom of the Opera.

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Yes.

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And only going a couple years forward in time, the album that truly sparked another subgenre of metal.

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Released on July 25th, 1983. Kill them all. Metallica. Yep. I was waiting for it. On my list. Yeah. I mean, they were, they never did anything remotely like this again. This was very much a new wave of British heavy metal style album, but it did give us the classics. Hit the Lights, Four Horsemen, Motor Breath, Jump in the Fire, Anesthesia, Cliff Burton, R.I.P., Whiplash, Phantom Lord, No Remorse, Seek

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and destroy metal militia are all classics and if like me you got the expanded edition in the cassette in the 80s it also had covers of am i evil and blitzkrieg which they later removed because they probably didn't want to pay him when it started selling a lot so those are my three all right so i'm not going to go on alphabetical now with these because you guys might want to say some of them so i'll venture a little bit because i have a lot so i'll do them real fast

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All right. 1979. January 29th released Joe Jackson. Look sharp. Oh, yeah. Love me some Joe Jackson. God, everything. I love everything from everything. It's the his venture early on of new wave post-punk pub rock songs like Is She Really Going Out With Him? Sunday Papers, Fools in Love. One More Time. Got the Time. Looks sharp itself. Cool album. Really cool. Got the Time covered by Anthrax. Years later.

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Not that many years later, but... A lot of people didn't realize that was Joe Jackson because they were thinking, Joe Jackson, isn't that the guy who did the album Night and Day? Yeah, it is that guy. All right. So this album was mentioned on the last Metalheads podcast as my crit from the pick, Def Leppard, On Through the Night, released in March of 1980. I think it was a cool debut album, and it is a metal album no matter what Joe Elliott says. It's a new wave of British heavy metal album. Songs like Waste

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They said, Hello America, Rock Brigade. Very cool album. All right, so that's two. I'm going to do two more because one was mentioned on a previous episode. That was Zebra. Ooh, yeah. March 25th, 1983. We talked about that, I believe, on our second episode. And then songs like Tell Me What You Want, as I said before, Who's Behind the Door, Take Your Fingers From My Hair. Awesome album. So that was the one I'm sneaking in like TR did when he said four. However, also,

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from 1983. And it's just coupled with Zebra, because both bands were, I don't want to say cues, but it was said they sounded like Led Zeppelin. My next one is Fastway. Fastway came out in 1983, which was Fast Eddie Clark from Motorhead. It was supposed to be Pete Way from UFO, but he never ended up in the band, even though his name is in the band. His name is in the name, yeah. And then Jerry Shirley from Humble Pie, those were the big names. And then there's singer,

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King, who nobody heard of was. And now he's the Celt punk dude from vlogging Molly. Yeah. Which is wild. But this had so many great songs. I say what you will. Easy living. Feel me, touch me. Parentheses. Do anything you want. We become one. It's a really cool album. It's not breaking any new ground, but it was a fun album. Love me some fast way, especially their soundtrack album. I like the first two fast way albums. You don't like that one. That's the best one.

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Trick or Treat? Oh my god, that album is so awesome. That's like their Sacred Heart. Yeah, don't mess with my Sacred Heart, Trick or Treat. Did I say that out loud? All right. All right, who's next? I guess it's me. It's you. So, okay, if we're doing another three here, let me grab a couple. So, okay, so this next one is the one that was really close to being on my top five list, but didn't quite make it. And that's Queensryche, The Warning.

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Yes, on my list. I love this album so much. And I'll never forget my buddy Colin in high school, because this came out in 1984. Which one did you say? Queensryche, The Warning. Oh, I thought, okay, I stand corrected. I thought you said the EP, because I had that on my list. Well, so I stuck with debut albums. So this was like their debut album. Yeah, I agree. The EP was first.

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But I, you know,

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I, I took it literally.

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And I,

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I apologize for interrupting,

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but I'm,

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I put it on there because there has been no greater debut release as an EP than Queens,

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right?

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Queens,

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right?

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So that's why I have my list.

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Yes.

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I would agree with you there.

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Yeah.

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So my buddy Colin got the cassette tape of this and I was,

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and I don's remember if it was like after school,

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like we was at school and I was in my first car,

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which was a 1970 Dodge Dart.

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Yeah.

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And I put the cassette tape player in it. I don't know if Crutchfield was around then, but I definitely needed to have a cassette player in there. And he came down with the warning on cassette and was like, dude, you have to hear this. And he queues it up so it's Take Hold of the Flame is the first song that's going to play. And your car ate it. No. We listened to it. And it starts out real slow.

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And it goes on.

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Pass them by.

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And then it really launches into.

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And he goes into this super high note that none of us can believe.

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And I'm just like, my jaw is dropped.

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And I'm like, dude!

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And after that, I was completely hooked on this band.

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And now, obviously, some of their latter-day stuff after Empire falls off pretty hard. A lot of their latter-day stuff after Empire falls off. And actually, that's the tragedy of this band. They were so good. And then they just became this other thing. And I don't know, it's a shame. Earlier this year, I went down to Tampa to see my buddy Colin.

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Because Queensry, with their vocalist Todd LaTorre, who replaced Jeff Tate, who can sing everything that Tate ever did, and as good or better. And they played the EP and The Warning in its entirety, which was like a dream come true for me. That show was so good, and it was an awesome show. So Queensry, The Warning, sorry to take so much time on that, but it was like really one of, it was almost, it should have, maybe it should have been the fifth one, I don't know.

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But okay, so that's one. David Lee Roth, Eat Him and Smile. In the time of the breakup of Van Halen and David Lee Roth, it was nobody knew what was going to come out of either of those bands after that breakup. And when David Lee Roth joined forces with Steve Vai, it was, oh man, what's this going to be? This is exciting. And of course, he comes out with Eat Him and Smile, which was like a really hard rocking album and actually felt

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I don't know to me I was more excited about this album than 5150 I love 5150 don't get me wrong I love Eddie Van Halen I love the Van Halen the Hagar period of Van Halen but man this was such a great album that was my first show was Edeman Smile Tour yeah I went to that show and I don't know about you George but Steve Vai's guitar was so freaking loud yes that I my ears got blown out and after that I was like

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I had no concept of that it was my first show I had no idea how loud it was going to be and yeah we all left that show ears ringing completely deaf for two days yeah so that was a truly I love that album because it's it's Dave amplified and the tour was phenomenal and for me who never got to see Dave with Van Halen which I'm still working through that

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to this day. The fact that my parents would not let me go to concerts when I was still in high school, I had to graduate from high school before I could go to a show. Dang. And I will always regret like all those shows in 84, 85, part of 86 that I did not see. And of course, before that, 83. But yeah, I'm still going to shows to make up for that. And I've gone to shows with a vengeance ever since then, but I'll never make

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I love that he released that album in Spanish as well. I don't know if you guys ever heard the Spanish version of this album, but I'm telling you, obviously all the music's the same. He just put Spanish vocals over it. Screams and everything are different. And it's, I love it just as much as the English version. So yeah, it's, you got to look for that, George, because it's. I know I've heard parts of it, but it's been forever.

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Yeah. And it's funny to hear it in Spanish. And of course his Spanish is not the greatest, but I mean, it's still okay. But like the emphasis and the way he sings and the screams, because you know, he would do all these screams in the songs are just like pure Dave and it's awesome. Okay. Keeping with the, I guess the eighties theme. My third one here is men at work business as usual. Colin. Hey, men at work or solo is an amazing thing.

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Yeah.

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And when these guys came out, it was really different.

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Nobody had heard anything like this before.

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Flute, saxophone, guitar, they're Australian.

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It was just different, and it was cool.

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And their first album is great.

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There's not a bad song on that album.

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And I just really always enjoyed that.

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And it was a big splash at the time, as I recall.

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They really hit it big, and deservedly so.

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It was a really great album.

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Yeah.

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I had that cassette. All right. Well, I was holding my breath because I was hoping nobody was going to say any of mine because I have six left so I can go now and one more. My first one. Yeah. July 21st. I was wondering when this one was going to come out. 1987. Yep. I got me an appetite for destruction from Guns N' Roses. When I first heard this,

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I didn't think all that much of it. In fact, this song, Welcome to the Jungle, did not really grab me when it first came out. I was like, eh, it's all right. But then when some of the other songs came out, Night Train, Paradise City, Mr. Brownstone, and of course Sweet Child of Mine, and my favorite, Rocket Queen, I was hooked. And so was the rest of the world. This album just blew up one of the biggest albums of all time. I mean, it's probably a 20 million seller, I think, at least.

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Yeah. And, uh, I remember, so yeah, so this was huge for me too. Cause first of all, I just remember, cause at this time MTV was still pretty big and you were getting a lot of video airplay of sweet child of mine and a number of the other tracks on this album that were coming out. And I was in college at the time. And one of my college roommates and good friends, Dave Gallatin was one of my roommates. And one summer we were, we stayed at school.

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We did like this undergraduate research and some other different things and it was just like it was party time. It was so fun. Party time. Excellent. We stayed in this apartment and we would watch these videos. We'd get home from whatever was going on for the day and turn on MTV and watch like these videos and it was always like we'd be like imitating Axl because he'd do that shimmy that he would do like with the microphone going across the screen. And so yeah, we were just like digging.

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on that big time. And I just remember how extreme this sounded. Like, like it was really gritty. And I don't know, I didn't listen to what you guys listened to. I know you guys listened to much more extreme metal than this. But for like a mainstream person like myself, when this came out, it just seemed it seemed like very extreme to me, like just the way he was singing and like these metal guitars were going. And it just seemed like really heavy and just really tough because Welcome to the Jungle seems like this really,

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you're on the streets and it's tough and you're gonna get eaten alive and all this stuff and the funny thing is it's played at sporting events now it just seems like now it seems so tame and at the time though it seemed like really extreme and like out there and it was far even though it was big it was still not really mainstream like the mainstream like metal was not embraced like it is now i mean and i'm talking about like the way metal is embraced

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was talking about crazy train that's played at baseball games or football games and stuff and you hear welcome to the jungle at sporting events and it just seems like this never would have happened when we were young like they wouldn't have played metal at a sporting event that was so outrageous at the time and so not mainstream and now it's like just a matter of course like it's everywhere and i just think that's really funny because at the time it wasn't like that

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I remember reading an article in the newspaper, in the physical paper newspaper about Appetite for Destruction. And the theme of the article was how many F-bombs were on this album. Because while certainly people swore on albums before, there had never been such a huge album with this many F-bombs on it before. Clearly, rap was like, hold my beer.

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But in 1987, you know, rap was still like run DMC, LL, cool J, stuff like that. They hadn't really hit the gangster part yet. And so it was a very graphic album that earned its label. Yeah. So. Yeah, agreed. All right. Moving on. We are now heading into almost all exclusively metal territory. Next up from 1983.

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Jay, I hope this one redeems me. October, 1983. Merciful fate. Melissa. Nice. King diamond and his falsetto vocals terrorizing the world for the first time. Well, first full album. Anyway, evil curse of the Pharaohs into the coven black funeral, Satan's fall. And of course the title track at the sound of the demon bell, such an amazing album.

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An Influential Album. Metallica was big fans of this album. Yeah, it's good. And Jay is a big fan of this album. But yeah, gotta mention that. And then another album in the metal scene. This one came out April 5th, 1985 with the lone album with this vocalist. This is Exodus Bonded by Blood. Paul Bailoff.

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the band. Personally, my favorite album by them. Yeah, his vocals were not good, but they had heart. And they were rough. And Bonded by Blood, bang your head against the stage and metal takes its place. Bonded by Blood. In 1985, you just could not really get cooler than this, even if you were Metallica or Slayer. But one of my favorite thrash albums of all time and one of my favorite metal debut.

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Right. I got a whole bunch, so I'll go through these fasts. I'll do three more, and I don't know how many you guys got left after this. I've got one more round in me. Yeah, like maybe two. All right, and then I can just do mine all at the end real quick, so. All right, so back to the 80s. Staying in the 80s, staying in two years only. Steve Ray Vaughn, Texas Flood, came out in 1983. Just, it's hard to describe how important this album was when it came out.

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because him along with Robert Cray at that time made blues cool for people who didn't listen to blues. And he did it in such a way it was aggressive. They call it electric blues or Texas blues. He just brought it all up out front and just slayed songs like Love Struck Baby, Pride and Joy, Texas Flood, Testify, Lenny, which is absolutely gorgeous, is kind of instrumental, named after his guitar.

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Just so good.

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And people might have heard him prior to this release because he's one of the guitarists on David Bowie's Let's Dance album.

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Now when you go back, you're like, oh, that does sound like him.

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Yeah, it does.

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All right.

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My next two are metal albums.

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And not surprised we didn't hear them, but surprised we didn't hear them yet.

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But it makes sense because there's so many albums.

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First one came out in July of 84, which I guess is after the next one.

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Metal Church. Oh, crap. That is one of my favorite albums of all time. Yeah, I was gonna say, I'm surprised George didn't say that one. I'm surprised too. Well, I put this list together hastily, let's just say that. Yeah, I mean, it's part thrash. Beat him to the punch, John. Yeah, I got a lot. It's part thrash, part just heavy metal, part US power metal. It's all this stuff. One big old metal stew. Got me right in the nards. Yeah, great songs like Beyond the Black, the title track,

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Church, Gods of Wrath, what a great album.

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Many years ago, upon a distant shore.

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And which, another one that came out earlier in the year, which actually had its name changed at some point.

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I don't know why they did this, but they did, but they changed it to a cool name, and they should have just made a name to this to begin with.

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And that's Troubles Psalm 9, which is, they're part of that early wave of doom metal.

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And while some people say this isn't necessarily doom metal, it is. It's doom metal and heavy metal. It is. It's a combination of both. But there, along with Candle Mass, St. Vitus, and Boy I'm Drawing a Blank, Pentagram, you know, those were, after Black Sabbath, those were the bands that really kicked off the genre itself, or sub-genre. Yeah. Or became a scene. But just songs like The Templar, Bastards, Will Pay, Assassin, Somnine, what a great album. And if you want to know what that early doom metal sound,

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meaning doom,

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comma metal,

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not doom metal itself.

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This is a great one to start with.

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So there's three more for you.

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All right.

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Cool.

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All right.

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So I guess I'll start from the furthest back.

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And I mentioned this band earlier,

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and that would be Richie Blackmore's rainbow and released in 1975.

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While it's not,

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I think the best rainbow album,

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It's certainly an awesome debut and would usher in some really amazing songs on subsequent albums. So Dio coming out of the Elves and linking up with Richie Blackmore, really that's the beginning of what Dio was to become, right? And so, yeah, a tremendous outset there.

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And then another one that I'm surprised I didn't hear yet, The Police, Outlandos Damore, 1978. They splashed onto the scene, three-piece band, and obviously everybody knows Roxanne, but there were a lot of cool songs on this album. So, Police, 1978, first album. Nice. And then, the rest of these albums are from the 2000s. So, I'll start with OSI, the Office of Strategic,

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This is a prog band of supergroup with, yeah, with Matthäus from Fate's Warning, Mike Portnoy from Dream Theater, and also Kevin Moore from Dream Theater. And this, I love this album so much. It's, it, it's just, it's got such a cool vibe. It's very progressive, but it's heavy. And then there's other parts that are just really chilled out and really super cool.

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So I just I remember when this came out and just thought to myself man what a great what a great album this is and sadly they never toured because all of the members of this band could never really put something together for a tour and they basically you know it wouldn't have been economically advantageous because they probably wouldn't have had enough of a fan base to do it but I mean I think there would have been enough fan base but I don't know

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what they would have required to break even. But it's a shame that never toured because, man, what a great album that is. So I'll just stop there. I've got a handful more, but I'll stop there. Should also mention Sean Malone was the bass player in that band from Cynic. Nice. All right, I've got one more batch plus a plus one. So that means I have four. First up, May 12, 1989.

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Alters of Madness, Morbid Angel. Yes. Love that album. Yeah. Death Metal. Not quite as early as some of the other bands, but still a Stone Cold classic. And that's all I got to say about that. Next up, February 21st, 1994. From Norway. Emperor in the Nightside Eclipse. Yes.

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is one of the most influential black metal. Second wave? Third? Second wave? Black metal? Second, I guess. Yeah, I guess Bathory would be first wave. Venom. Actually, Venom's probably first wave. Bathory might be second. So this might be third wave. I'll keep checking that stuff. But this album was just like, blew everybody's mind. And not only that, but the album cover, which was drawn by Christian Wallen, or aka NecroLord, also really influenced the look and feel of

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number of black metal albums to follow. And oh, who did the logo? That would be Kristoff. I can't even remember his name. All you need is Kristoff. He's like Jesus. You just need Kristoff. He did the Metalheads podcast logo. And he also did the Emperor logo. So we're in good company there, but he is the master of all logos. So if you need a, if you need a logo, look up Kristoff. Good guy. All right. My third one released,

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is the other hugely influential black metal album from Norway. And that is Mayhem's De Mysteries Dom Satanis. The ill-fated mayhem featuring Euronymous, R.I.P., and Count Grishnak, a.k.a. Wow, I'm blanking on his name. Varg Vikerns, or however the hell you say it. Who cares? Just don't say it. Ignore that guy. Pretend he doesn't exist.

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But Hellhammer's still in the band, I believe. And Attila is on vocals still. But this album, as influential as it was, most people don't sound like this album. Most people sound more like an emperor. This is very much an extreme heavy metal album, but not necessarily what I would consider black metal, really. Other than the fact that it's dark and it's evil and it's extreme.

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But very different. And I like that about it. And my very last album, this one is dedicated to my good friend Will. From July 27th, 1983, this is Madonna's self-titled album. It's got Holiday, Lucky Star, Black Metal to Madonna. And Borderline. And I love Madonna. I do. And this is where she started.

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Mayhem to Madonna. That's going to be the title of my biography. Mayhem to Madonna.

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Yes.

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Well, I'm bringing us back.

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I'm out.

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Okay, thank you.

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I'm done.

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All right.

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So I'll do four this time.

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I'll do it quickly because I have so many still and I want to make sure that TR gets time and after yours.

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Is this your last round, TR?

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Yes, this will be my last.

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Then I'll just finish up after that.

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All right.

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So back to 1986.

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6. Crimson Glory.

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Heavy Metal slash US Power Metal.

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Great debut album.

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They get compared a lot to Queensryche.

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And I think rightfully so because of the style.

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But they still had their own thing going.

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And they had the vocalist at Midnight.

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Who was like Jeff Tate.

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He could get up there.

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But great songs like Valhalla, Dragon Lady, Azrael, Queen of the Mask.

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Great debut album.

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I prefer the next album a lot more.

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But a super album though. A band that we haven't mentioned yet and may get full credit or should deserve some credit as the band that created grunge without trying to create grunge. King's X out of the Silent Planet. Yeah. At least that was March of 19. On my list. All right. Sorry. No, no. It wasn't one of the honorable mentions, but it was one of my original list. My big list. Yeah. Band from Texas that kind of put hard rock and rock metal

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together without sounding like prog metal, but they still were really progressive songs like King Goldilocks, Power of Love. Just a cool album. A unique sound that not many bands have actually got the sound down like Galactic Cowboys do, but really nobody else since then. Yet they've spurned on a whole sound of Seattle bands. You said Galactic Cowboys. I've never heard anybody say that band before. Oh yeah. Galactic Cowboys.

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All right. I'm going to mention this one because it was mentioned way back a while on the Metalheads podcast from the Crypt Room Pick. I actually love this album. I know a lot of fans of this band don't like this album. They're all new fans. New fans to me are post-1999 for this band. And that's Dream Theater's One Dreaming. Ah, yes! I love this album. Yes, me too. I don't care what any of those fans say. Dude, I'm with you. They're entitled to their opinion, but they're wrong.

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It's not their best album, but I absolutely love it. It's got great songs like A Fortune and Lies, The Yeti Jam, The Killing Hand, Only a Matter of Time. It's true prog metal in the sense that it's very heavy for metal, and it's very proggy. And it's not all the chorus-driven music. It's very guitar-driven. And the last one real quick before I hand it over to you. Before you do, I want to make some comments about that because, John, you've hit on an album I really love.

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And while people may not have taken to Charlie Dominici's vocals on that, I thought he was great. And I thought that album was great. And I remember actually buying that album. I got the cassette of that when it first. I don't know if it had first come out, but I remember. So I had a buddy in college who was computer savvy and he knew. And this is this is the free Internet. But there was a lot of that. I don't know if you guys remember the alt.com.

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groups where you would go on these forums and you'd find all this people that had different interests that were similar to yours. You could go find alt.music.regressive or whatever, and there'd be these people talking about whatever. And so my buddy was looking at this stuff, and I'm the last person that would know about this because I never did. I'm not a computer guy. But my buddy Jerry Hinkle, he looked on there and he was like, hey, T, I know you like Rush, and I've been reading

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about these guys and they're called dream theater and they're supposed to sound like rush a lot so

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they've got this album called when dream and day unite so i was like okay so i went down to the

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record store and i was like i was looking for this thing and they found the cassette because that was the only i think that might have been the only thing that they had was a cassette and so i bought it and i remember taking that home and listening to that that tape and just being like

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Oh my god yeah this is like rush but it's got its own thing going on so it wasn't like real derivative it was like they took they you can tell they were wearing their influences on their sleeve but it was like they had their own thing going on and yeah when I heard that album I was like oh man this is awesome and then of course it was years before we got another album from them because Charlie Dominici left the band and then they were looking for a new singer and then it was like oh man whatever happened to dream theater

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And then when they finally did come out with a different album and Labrie was the singer, it was like, okay, yeah, this is cool. I really do like that first album a lot. Yeah. Funny thing is, it was three years later and everyone's like, when are they going to release an album? It's been ages. Yeah. But you listen to that album and you're like, I want more. After listening to that, it was like, oh my God, what is this? I need more of this. And then Tool showed up and said, hold my calendar. Yeah, exactly. Okay. Sorry, Jeff.

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I had to go back and listen to that album again tonight. I absolutely, I love, it sounds dated, which gives it even more charm. Yeah. It's, well, there's definitely a nostalgia to it. That's right. And George, I think you would agree. Some of those older metal albums from the eighties that, that had the not so good production. I love more than the highly produced albums because there's just a charm and nostalgia to them that, and it brings you back to that time. And until alternative happened.

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There was no bass.

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Yeah.

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You know, people talk about ducking Newstead on Unjustice for All, but that's the way metal was.

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There was no bass in metal.

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It was all very tinny.

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Sid Maiden were it in terms of big bands.

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Yeah.

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And of course, Rush.

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So anyway, all right.

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Last one, and I'll hand it over to you, TR, and then I'll finish up.

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All right.

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I love this album.

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They get disparaged so much on this album.

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But even Beavis and Butthead came to their defense. And that's Stone Temple Pilots' core. Yeah, I thought about that one. Great songs like Dead and Blooded, Sex-Type Thing, Wicked Garden, Creep, Plush. And for the record, they're older than Pearl Jam. Ooh. I am smelling like a rose. They actually, Eddie Vedder's band, as my understanding, opened for Stone Temple Pilots when they were under a different name.

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I had drawn a blank now on the name. They formed I think in what the late 80s. Pearl Jam formed in what 91? 90? 91? I don't know. It was after Mother Love Bone which was 90-ish. 90. So and they apparently were having songs that had the similar cadence and vocals of Eddie Vedder back in the 80s. So I don't know. Like Beavis and Butthead said during the plush video where they mentioned check out that cool

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I believe the comment was I heard that Eddie Vetter stole or Pearl Jam stole their sound which I thought was really funny back then that it was in there but I always loved this album because I love their first four albums and all four completely different from each other which made them so unique even though they got disparaged so much on the first album Pearl Jam should have kept stealing their sound because they just kind of lost the thread after three albums yeah yeah

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I was two albums and I was out. Yeah. Although the third's not bad. Good. But anyway, go ahead, Tierra, then I'll finish up after you real quick. Okay. So these are all albums from the early 2000s. The first one that I'm going to mention is more of a pop band, but they, I don't know, I still think they rock. And that band is a British band called Keen. Oh, yeah. And their album, Hopes and Fears. Great album.

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I got to tell a story about this because I most people would not think I would like this band I would not think you would like this band yeah exactly but I have to admit I love this band and it's such a kind of an like a this was so unexpected to me so back in 2000 I think it was three or it was early 2004 it was before hopes and fears came out I went with my friend Richard to

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to Glasgow because he wanted to see a band called Travis.

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Oh, I like them too. I saw them.

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And Keen was opening for Travis on their tour.

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And I remember like we got, because he wanted to see Travis, we got in there early.

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We like waited and we got in early and it was general admission and we were like way up front.

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And I'm looking at the stage. And all that's on the stage is a drum kit, a keyboard, and a microphone stand. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, how's this going to work? There's no guitar. There's no bass. And I'm thinking, okay, what's this? Like, normally, I like scoping out what the instruments look like and what they're going to play and stuff. And so I was, I don't know about this.

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And then they come out and they start playing. And Tom Chaplin, the vocals are amazing. And the keyboard, they're playing these songs that are just so catchy. And I was instantly just taken by this band. I just was like, I'm all in. And so, but unfortunately, the album was not available yet because they hadn't really, they hadn't released it. And it was, wasn't going to be

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released for another couple of months.

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And so I remember going to their merch, like looking at the merch and there was nothing there.

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They didn't have anything because they hadn't released anything yet.

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So I was really disappointed by that.

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But of course, like when they came to the States, like not long after that, and when Somewhere Only We Know, which is the big track off of that album, like really hit big, they obviously started getting a lot of acclaim.

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And they started in kind of small venues and then quickly rose pretty fast to larger venues. So I just saw them a couple of weeks ago. They're doing the 20th anniversary of Hopes and Fears. So they played almost the whole album. Pretty much most of the tracks from that album, as well as songs throughout their history. But the focus was the 20th anniversary of Hopes and Fears, which was really cool. And they sounded phenomenal.

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I saw them up in Philly at the Met and it was just excellent. So I love them. They're not like the typical band that you'd think that I would like, but I really like them. And so that's one of the tracks that I wanted to mention. Yeah. I saw them. I thought it was on that tour. I feel like they opened for the killers. I'm not entirely sure, but I saw them at Merriweather. Okay. Yeah. That's all. And I'm sure they were. Yeah. The next album I wanted to bring up is a,

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None of us have really talked about any post-rock bands. And John knows I'm a big post-rock fan. And this album is from 2005. It's the band Red Sparrows at the Soundless Dawn. And I remember going into a record store when we still had record stores, and this album was playing. And I... So it's an instrumental rock band.

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I remember hearing it in the store and I was instantly hooked and I thought I gotta get this and I went up to the just like the story that was recounted earlier I went up to the guy and I was just like what is this and he's oh it's this band Red Sparrows and I'm like okay where can I find it he's go over here and it's in that bin and I'm like okay and I went and got it and I'm like yeah gimme and and yeah so it's hard to describe these songs they're instrumental

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They're rock. All of post-rock has this epic sound. It's soundscape-y. And the kind of the unusual thing about this band is all of the titles of their songs are really super long. So let me just do an example to give you an idea of what one song's title would be. So the first song is called Alone in Underwear.

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The landscape was transformed in front of our eyes. And then later, there's another song called Mechanical Sounds Cascaded Through the City Walls and Everyone Reveled in Their Ignorance. So it gives you a sense of the titles were, I don't know, gave you a sense of what it was about. But anyway, I like Red Sparrows a lot. John saw them with me, I think, a few times. Go ahead, John. I was going to say, before you moved on, I wanted to say that they were a super group.

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because they're made up of members. Yeah, Isis and Neurosis. Yes. So, and the song titles kind of read like they continue. So if you continue reading to the next song, they almost have interlinking the storyline with them to some degree. Yeah, on the first time. Yeah, if you read it all the way through, it does tell a story, right? Yeah, more so on the second album than the first album, but you can do that. So, yeah. Grandfather, tell me a story.

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Yeah. So anyway, for anybody out there that likes instrumental music that rocks, go look at Red Sparrows. Love Red Sparrows. They're awesome. I wish they put a new album out. Me too. I miss that band. Go ahead, George. So I have one that I thought of when you were talking about Keane and Travis and all that, and it's not like that, but it brought this to mind. And it turns out it's not their first album. So then it's disqualified.

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But I'm going to give it a technicality because their first album was self-released and this was their first album on a label. Okay. And this is 1991's Mental Jewelry by Live, which was an album that blew me away well before Throwing Copper came out and the rest of the world heard of them. Yeah. And I was so into this album, Mental Jewelry. 1991.

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that they released just out of high school on their own label called the death of a dictionary that I've never heard of but mental jewelry live okay get it all right I've got one last one here and released in 2006 it's the sword age of winters so this is another kind of do me heavy sabbathy style band that came out in the mid 2000s that I love this

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And they slowly got away from this sound after two or three albums. And turned into ZZ Top. Yeah, they turned into ZZ Top and Thin Lizzy had a baby and it was the sword. And I got no problem with the fact that they did that. But it's just a shame because, man, were they heavy on those first two albums. First three albums. Warp Riders was awesome. Warp Riders was very good. Yes, I will agree. And, man, if they

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They had just continued on that kind of trajectory. What could they have been? But completely agree. Yeah, it's such a shame because man, what a great band that was. And their first album, Age of Winners, super solid and super heavy and just megalithic, man. These guys like playing Gibson guitars through orange amps and just totally crushing you with tone. And John and I saw them like in the early days.

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and a number of times down in D.C. at Rock and Roll Hotel. And I can't remember all the various venues we saw them in. But yeah, what great shows those were when they were just starting and, you know, just killing it with heavy sounds. And it's such a shame they got away from that. But yeah, that early stuff and that debut album was tremendous. I agree completely. Yeah. Very cool early. Early period. Yeah.

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All right, let me rip these. I got six more. I'll rip them fast. I won't take any more time. We'll be on our way. So a band George has recently gotten into. Their debut is, I think, quite good. That's Merillion, Script for a Jester's Tear. Came out in 1983. Yes, it's Genesis derivative to some degree. Who cares? Still really good. Because it was better than anything Genesis was putting out at that point. Featuring songs like Script for a Jester's Tear, He Knows You Know,

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Forgotten Sons. Album's great. All right, let's jump all the way to 2003, a band most people who listen may not know, but I absolutely love this album. It's a third revival of Prague for the modern age, which is post-2000, and that is Riverside, Out of Myself. Polish band combines progressive rock, a little bit of progressive metal. Some of the Prague nerds will tell you it's all progressive metal. No, it's just a little heavy for you.

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So, but it's a great album. Songs like The Same River, Out of Myself, Reality Dreams, One and Two, Curtain Falls, great stuff. So there's two. I got four more. Nobody else would mention this but me, but I think it's a great album. Boister Cult's debut album, Boister Cult, came out in 1972. Great album. It kicked off this bizarre career that followed that really saw them going in a lot of different directions. Influential for metal, even though there's not a lick of metal in this band.

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They were heavy though. Like Cities on Flame with rock and roll is a heavy song. They're influential. They're not a metal band. A band that's heavier than them that could give a little touch of metal boost. Montrose. Debut album Montrose, 1973. Featuring our good friend Sammy Hagar on vocals. Songs like Rock the Nation, Bad Motor Scooter, Space Station, number five. I don't know what happened to the first four, but this one's number five.

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Rock Candy Baby. And then the best song on the I Want to Care Anybody Says, Make It Last, is my favorite off that album. That's great. All right, two more. Let's jump to 1977. Peter Gabriel. Peter Gabriel. Wow. Or Peter Gabriel. Peter Gabriel 1. Or Peter Gabriel, parentheses, car. It's Choose Your Own Adventure album title. That's right. His first solo album, which is kind of an eclectic mix of rock rock art,

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All kinds of different things. Just straight ahead rock. Known for Salisbury Hill and the modern love, Here Comes the Flood, home drum, Morabund, the Burgermeister. I will find out. Yes. The most genesis. Yes, exactly. And then the final album, How Could We Go an Episode Without Mentioning This Band. I've held off really hard from Canada.

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1974.

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Before the new guy joined the band.

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The new guy.

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Rush.

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Rush.

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They call him a working man.

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Yeah.

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How would we not mention this?

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Maybe I'm in the mood.

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What you doing?

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You got your finger in the air?

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Working man.

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Before and after.

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Just Led Zeppelin driven Black Sabbath.

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And then the new guy joins and it just goes all to hell down the prog rabbit hole. Yes. Even better. Well, it's funny, John, because I obviously thought of that and that was on my list. I thought, well, not many people would say that their debut was like all that auspicious. I mean, obviously we're all fans of the band and we love Rush and we love the first album. Ultimately, like I left it off because I felt, well, there's way better stuff later on.

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But it's, how do you not mention Rush? I know. You can't not mention it. And that's, and so, so if we're gonna, if we're gonna talk about bands that we didn't mention, I have to throw in Journey's first album. Because I personally love that debut, because it's just, it's just such a cool. I mean, you want to talk about like that. So that first chapter of Journey, as we've talked about, is very,

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It's very much like

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It's proggy

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I don't know, it's just jam band

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70s thing and I like that

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early stuff and I really enjoyed

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their first three albums without Perry

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It's got some jazz

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in it a little bit

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Yeah, Journey

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And if we're gonna

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do this, we might as well

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throw Priest in there and put Rockarola

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which

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And they are re-releasing it after it's been remixed and remastered. So that's actually been released. And the physical media is coming out, I think, either later this month or next month for Rockarola. So any Priest fans that like the real, real early stuff, they finally got the first two albums from Gull. And they have the rights to that stuff now. God, I hope they remix.

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and remaster Sad Wings also. Is that the plan? I'm sure that, yes. I don't doubt that will happen. God, I hope so. It's got to sound better. Yeah. And you can already hear some of Rackarola out there. And yeah, I can't wait. I already did the pre-order. So let's see. That CD will come out in November. But I think you can get it on digital platforms now. I think so, yeah. That's what I read. I haven't listened yet.

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So I think that covers it for me. Yeah, I'm done. I had a lot. It was actually really easy to come up with a list. I had a hard time just deciding which ones I want to talk about. So yeah, me too. Cause I had 35 to begin with. But there's so many good ones that had to be mentioned even just for a second. There's so many to choose from. That's right. And we didn't even include a lot of stuff either. So no, I mean, just so much stuff. Yeah.

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That's what made this fun, I think. I enjoyed this and I'm glad that we... Because obviously there's a lot that we didn't even mention, but obviously these are the ones that meant a lot to us. And so I enjoyed that. So did you want to talk about shows? Actually, we already did a lot. So yeah, I mean, I don't know if we talked about Prog Power, but John and I went to Prog Power down in Atlanta, which was an awesome experience. And we saw a number of bands that we had.

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Among Them Was Amorphous, which we just saw the other night in Baltimore, and Pagan's Mind, who hadn't played in a number of years, and Winger, who played the album Pull in its entirety, which I was never a big Winger fan, but I came out of there coming, like, basically just really impressed with them, and they were totally professional, and they sounded phenomenal. It was outstanding.

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Yeah, they were really good. And it's a shame they've been made into kind of a joke because they were great. And they sounded outstanding. And yeah, I was blown away. I really came away. Wow, those guys are excellent. So, John, any comments on Prog Power? Yeah, I already did this on the Metal Heads podcast last week, but I'll add a little bit more.

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Yeah, I agree about Winger. I've never not made it a secret that was the only hair metal album, which now I'm debating how much of that is hair metal, how much isn't. Half of it is, I think. But it's the only one I ever bought. And I get ridiculed for that sometimes, and I don't care what anybody says. I did get rid of it because I realized I didn't like some of the songs on there. But there are some good tunes on it. I like Madeline, I think is a great song.

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I will say that I've been to Prog Power as it says it's a prog rock or prog metal power metal fest that's been going on since 2001 and this was rendition or edition or whatever you want to call it 23 and I've been to 22 of them I missed the fourth one so I had tickets for it I just didn't end up going to make a long story short it's just another fest another great year TR mentioned some of the bands I will over emphasize

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that he said about winger they were awesome yeah their sound was incredible

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apparently they rented out the same sound board that is in center stage in atlanta and use that to

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practice in their practice space so they knew what the board would give them before they even got to the

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venue and supposedly when they were doing sound check they were just playing bits and pieces here

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and they were testing the sound throughout the whole venue. So somebody was listening to the sound in different parts of

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venue to hear how it sounded to them and how it would sound from the audience perspective. So they went all out. So they deserve all the credit in the world. I don't care what anybody says. That performance was one of the best I've seen ever at Prog Power. I mean, Red Beach on guitar and Rod Morgasine on drums was just insane because I've been a Rod Morgasine fan for 30 years. So it was cool.

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to see that. There were some other great bands I saw there too. Metal bands, but overall it was good. Like T.R. mentioned Amorphous, who we also saw in Baltimore just the other night, which was great. I've seen them a bunch of times. I think that he and I have six or seven under our belt now seeing them, which that's not a lot for some bands we've seen, but for them it's a lot. And it was cool to see them again on the big stage and in the small stage. Right. Yeah. And Fires in the Distance,

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which is a band I really opened up the show and I've been lucky enough to see them a few times because they've made their way down to Brooming Horn in Delaware and have played there three times and I've been fortunate enough to see them each of those three times and they're just I love that band they've got growling vocals and everything but I really like how they do it and they're very melodic and they did a great show.

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And I'm looking forward to whatever they do next because they're just a really good band. And so that was good. And then going back a little bit in September, I went and saw Russian Circles, which is another kind of post-rock, post-metal band, that instrumental three-piece. Their guitarist employs a lot of loops. So they lay down these layers of different loops of music. And they were outstanding.

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They played at Union Craft Brewing in Baltimore. And it was like their, I think it was their 20th anniversary show. And they played stuff from pretty much every period of that band. So it was a great show. I really enjoyed it. And so, and John's seen Russian Circles with me many times down in DC and up in Philly. Again, love that band. They were one of the bands that were at that convergence when it was Mastodon, Opeth,

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Eagles of Death Metal, Gojira, I think. Who else was at that show? Devin Townsend. Devin Townsend, right? And Russian Circles. When both of those tours converged in Philadelphia, we were lucky enough to be there for that. And that was a cool show. That was really cool. And Russian Circles opened that show up. And so, anyway, and glad I got to see them again. And so, yeah, we've been, and we talked about Beat, we talked about Amorphous, we talked about,

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I talked about Keen so yeah

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a lot of good shows lately

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I got a few more coming up I'm gonna

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see King Buffalo in November

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nice I love that band

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and yeah that should

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I think that covers it for me

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there's another little band called Iron Maiden

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well and Opeth too

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yeah yeah so John and I are gonna see

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Opeth later this month and then Iron Maiden

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I'm gonna see twice once in Philly

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and once in Baltimore

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it's good

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well then I guess we are

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Done with another episode. Number 17 into can. Yeah. And we will presumably be back next month with something different. Episode 18. Exactly. It's one more. It will come after this. Yes. It will come after this episode. Yes. Yes. All right. Well, thanks for listening and we'll see you soon. Or hear you soon. Or hear us soon. Yeah.

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Rock on. Later. Bye.